From: "Wayne Dibert" <102016.1343@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: [PRR] The B&O Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:14:12 -0400 Hi guys The B&O never interchanged with the PRR on any part of the Philadelphia Erie Line. The closest that they got to this part of the railroad was through an interchange in Pittsburgh. Then the trains came up through Altoona and the lowgrade branch through Driftwood. The Reading, New York Central, Erie, and PRR all went through Newberry yard and interchanged there. The Reading Came from the East, the New Yrok Centeral came from the north down Pine Creek through Jersey Shore as did the Erie. The PRR would come across the river to interchange with freight. Wayne F. Dibert 102016.1343@worldnet.att.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, March 26, 1999 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] NYC Trackage rights to Renovo > Michael, > I've always found the Williamsport-Renovo area to be very appealing, and being > a bit more of a B&O fan than Pennsy, I've looked around for a connection such > as you mention. About as close as I can come with historical data regards > B&O's takeover of the BR&P. I gather that the B&O actually had serious > intentions of building a line between the Clearfield area and a Reading > connection at Newberry, but the railroad was always a bit short of cash and > the depression killed the idea. Doubtlessly there were corporate and political > hurdles stacked up against such a line and nothing ever developed. Sure would > have been fascinating though! And nothing says it can't happen in the > basement. > regards, > Barry Peltier > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. > Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Wayne Dibert" <102016.1343@worldnet.att.net> Subject: [PRR] ICQ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:14:16 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0123_01BE9356.C9734D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jerry, since you have a great mailing going on here with good = interaction, have you ever considered having everyone getting a ICQ = number or AOL instant messenger. It could give us all the opportunity to = talk while we are on the computer at the same time that we are reading = or downloading. Wayne 102016.1343@worldnet.att.net ------=_NextPart_000_0123_01BE9356.C9734D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Until Later, Marvin 'n Ellen 'n Misty too MCrim1361@worldnet.att.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR Whistle Posts and Crossbucks Date: Wed, 31 Mar 99 23:10:56 -0800 From: David >Hey I didn't think that there was another PRR guy this far North and West of >Pittsburgh, PA. David are you going to make the Salem, Or train Show this >weekend? I'll be there. We need to get together, I have a daughter and son- >in-law in Bremerton, WA. > Greg Martin Hey Greg, Hate to dissapoint, but I am not as much a PRR fan as a Pennsylvania Railroad fan. My favorite RR is the Reading Lines, followed by Strasburg and PRR. And I've already got plans for this weekend, but provided I am not deployed (Navy) I will go to GAT in Puyallup in November. But keep in touch and we can share what we are doing. I am hoping to get benchwork up in the next couple of weeks. I am trying to decide if I should build modular or a sectionalized table. (ie two 5x5 sections or something similiar.) Oak Harbor and Bremerton are on opposite sides of the sound,but wouldn't mind talking or sharing stuff if you get up the area. David Lind Oak Harbor, WA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: [PRR] RE: Decals Date: Thu, 1 Apr 99 06:32:05 -0500 From: Jerry Bruce: Decals for the pilot are on their way. Two 12" keystones and two 18" keystones per unit, right? ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton jerry@dsop.com "Keystone Crossings" http://kc.pennsyrr.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! 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Is there a place where a "Jerry's Boy's" meet at the show..... tom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:07:40 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] X-42 paint scheme Hi Greg, This X42 thread is interesting. Pardon my nitpick of some dates: In a message dated 3/31/99 10:59:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, gas@fastinet.net writes: > My guess! > > The cars were first built in 1950 and probably carried the ball keystone for > one year maybe more before someone decided that since these cars only saw > head end service they should have the gold lettering and stripe scheme. > Certainly they would not have seen the shadow keystone before its' inception > in 1954. First appearing on the 20 X48's from Pullman Standard in February 1954, SK appeared in 4 versions up to June 1961. > Likewise it seems logical to assume that the non shadow keystone scheme > would not have been applied until its' debut , which I believe was the mid > 1960's. Brady McGuire's boxcar article (1988) says the plain keystone started in September 1961. My research on covered hopper lettering (watch future Keystones) shows that the only new covered hoppers built in 4th quarter 1961 still carried SK monograms, but drawings for PK on various covered hopper repaints were issued in early 1962. Of course, plain keystone continued through the mid-1960's and on to February 1968. BTW, I have knowledge of only a very few published photos of the X42. These include: Keystone 1979-1 p28 #2542 in CK (circle keystone) PRR Color Guide p84 #2541 in SK1b CBC 1953 p95 #2542 in passenger stripes (also same picture on p6, The Cars of the Pennsylvania Railroad. This raised the question, did more than this one car ever appear in this scheme?) Keystone 1979-1 p28 #2547 in SK2a Did I miss other photos of the PK (plain keystone) lettering? Rick Tipton ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark Bej Subject: Re: [PRR] RE: Decals (fwd) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:53:50 -0500 (EST) Bruce: > Decals for the pilot are on their way. Two 12" keystones and two 18" > keystones per unit, right? Decals for what? Something for your set of modules? (Should I be responding to PRRMO rather than prr-talk?) -- Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. 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Visit "Keystone Crossings" at http://kc.pennsyrr.com Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! WWW.PENNSYRR.COM - See what's new in PRR all over the net! The Standard Pennsy Web Site of the World! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: [PRR] Re: [PRRMO] New Loco Project! (was Module Photos) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 99 10:18:45 -0500 From: Jerry On 4/1/99 9:11 AM, Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. (smithbf@mail.auburn.edu) wrote: >Well, I guess its time to 'fess up! A number of you have written private >emails to me asking about the locomotive in the Shellpot Module photos. >Most of you were correct in identifying it as a B-1, electric switcher. >However, several of you assumed, incorrectly that it was a brass model...In >fact, it is the "pilot" model for a resin B-1!!!!!! > >You may remember a number of months ago a thread about electric locos at >Harrisburg. During this time, Jerry identified a need for approximately 4 >B-1 locos to accurately depict the Harrisburg station - prohibitively $$$ >in brass!!! I wanted to scratchbuild a B-1 anyway, so we teamed up with a >resin shell manufacturer who would like to remain anonymous to produce a >limited run of B-1 parts. In order to finance this we are having them >produce approximately 200 shells, and associated parts, and we will be >selling the leftovers to pay for the cost of the run. Approximately 95 >"kits" will be available through Merchandise Service at: > >http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com/rat.html Yeah, Bruce really blew it when he had the pilot visible in the photo of his module. We really didn't want to announce until we were a bit further a long. I'll forgive Bruce, eventually! Bruce did a great job of engineering this thing. Hopefully we'll get enough advance reservations to warrant the resin run. Take a look at the above URL for more details. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@dsop.com Member, PRRT&HS Modeling Harrisburg, Pa., in HO scale, circa 1954. Visit "Keystone Crossings" at http://kc.pennsyrr.com Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! WWW.PENNSYRR.COM - See what's new in PRR all over the net! 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However, several of you assumed, incorrectly that it was a brass model...In fact, it is the "pilot" model for a resin B-1!!!!!! You may remember a number of months ago a thread about electric locos at Harrisburg. During this time, Jerry identified a need for approximately 4 B-1 locos to accurately depict the Harrisburg station - prohibitively $$$ in brass!!! I wanted to scratchbuild a B-1 anyway, so we teamed up with a resin shell manufacturer who would like to remain anonymous to produce a limited run of B-1 parts. In order to finance this we are having them produce approximately 200 shells, and associated parts, and we will be selling the leftovers to pay for the cost of the run. Approximately 95 "kits" will be available through Merchandise Service at: http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com/rat.html Jerry and I have set up this web page with a description of the "kit", which will include enough parts for 2 locos, as it uses the drive train parts of a GG-1. Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." - Dave Barry PRRMO: The PRR Modular Modeling Society! http://prrmo.pennsyrr.com _ _ / \ / \ ____\_/_____________\_/____ ____________________________________ |- _______/ O \_______ -| |_ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ _| | / PENNSYLVANIA \ | | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| | |/_________________________\|_|_|________________________________|_| | O--O \0 0 0/ O--O | |=| 0==0 0==0 |=| ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ted.andrews@woolpert.com Date: Thu, 01 Apr 99 08:39:08 EST Subject: [PRR] Re: PRR whistle posts Doug: Thank you for the advise regarding the use of Woodland Scenics latex for a mold and then using low temp metal for casting. I will give that a try later this spring. Also, Bob Zoeller mentioned a company called Signs Galore that has 3 different card stock sign sheets for the PRR. At $3 a sheet, this too could be cost effective. I agree with you to on how modelers have been spoiled over the years with manufacturers building everything for them. I think that modelers of the largest and most popular, such as the PRR, can be the most spoiled. The reason is that there are many PRR prototypes out in plastic, brass, resin, white metal, and wood. That has been going on for years and probably will continue. On the other hand, modelers of railroads such as the Wabash, Grand Trunk, New Haven, etc. are at a big disadvantage since there is not alot modeled in a given scale. It is these modelers who regularly have to kitbash and scratchbuild. I guess the main reason why I posted this thread was to find out if these whistle posts were still available but from someone else. Many times in this hobby, one company manufactures something, goes out of business, and then has its molds and tooling sold to another company which produces them. The Walthers acquistion of the Train Miniature rolling stock is just one example. Since Wabash Valley is out of business, perhaps someone has else has purchased the molds and tooling and is producing them. But your idea about latex molds and low temp metal is a good one and I will pursue it! Once again, thanks!! Ted Andrews Carmel, Indiana ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: PRR whistle posts Author: Doug Drew at Internet Date: 3/29/99 10:38 AM Saw your post on PRR-talk. Not familiar with these particular whistle posts (the models, that is). Is the lettering embossed onto the plastic, or are they merely painted on? If the former, have you ever considered making a rubber mold using Woodland Scenics rock casting latex and casting your own whistle posts, using the original part as a pattern? You could use Cerro-Safe (low-temp melting metal) for the casting material, I think, without ruining the molds. If the latter, how difficult would it be to make a photocopy of the part(s), and use those copies as patterns to trim appropriately-sized pieces of styrene? The problem then would be finding lettering of the correct size that "looked right". I wouldn't recommend dry transfer individual letters (for the crossbucks), unless you're into microsurgery. Someone posted a recommendation to use the 'Signs Galore' lettering, but I'm unfamiliar with that, too. I think we model railroaders as a group have become spoiled by having virtually EVERYTHING available already manufactured. Figuring out ways to make your own stuff for less than the exorbitant prices many manufacturers charge (and that's IF you can find it) can be a very rewarding part of the hobby. I plan to cast my PRR signal bridges and signal heads using IHC and Bachmann Plasticville signals/signal bridge parts as masters, as described above. Since most of my railroad will be double or multiple track with a lot of switchwork, $20 a pop for a signal bridge (list for the IHC bridge) can get into some real money, real fast. Hope this helps. -- Doug Drew ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Richard F. Makse" Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: [PRRMO] New Loco Project! (was Module Photos) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:39:51 -0500 Jerry wrote: > Bruce did a great job of engineering this thing. Hopefully we'll get > enough advance reservations to warrant the resin run. Take a look at the > above URL for more details. Having examined the details of this very carefully, I would make note that it is NOT necessary to use the GG-1 parts. Two Athearn Hustler drives can be easily utilized. Bruce failed to mention that the kit could further be modified to construct a very creditable B-4. Dick Makse ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: [PRR] RE: Decals (fwd) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 99 12:19:11 -0500 From: Jerry On 4/1/99 11:53 AM, Mark Bej (bejm@eeg.ccf.org) wrote: >> Decals for the pilot are on their way. Two 12" keystones and two 18" >> keystones per unit, right? > >Decals for what? >Something for your set of modules? > >(Should I be responding to PRRMO rather than prr-talk?) Mark: Bruce inadvertantly let it out of the bag that we've been working on resin B-1 "rat" electric locos. The photos of his PRRMO module clearly show the pilot model. I furthered the error by responding to his message with info about the decals. I did a "reply to sender" but it went to the list! Anyway, you can read about the loco project at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com/rat.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@dsop.com Member, PRRT&HS Modeling Harrisburg, Pa., in HO scale, circa 1954. Visit "Keystone Crossings" at http://kc.pennsyrr.com Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! WWW.PENNSYRR.COM - See what's new in PRR all over the net! The Standard Pennsy Web Site of the World! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:23:35 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] X-42 paint scheme In a message dated 4/1/99 10:27:51 AM Central Standard Time, RickTipton@aol.com writes: << CBC 1953 p95 #2542 in passenger stripes (also same picture on p6, The Cars of the Pennsylvania Railroad. This raised the question, did more than this one car ever appear in this scheme?) >> Also PP3, p. 372. You just raised the same question I have been pondering for the last week. Love the scheme, but was it only experimental for one car? I also bought a photo of #2548 in CK from Richard Burg collection. Looks like a bulder photo and date of building is given as 10-50. \Amazing how these cars don't show up in train action photos or videos; only thing scarcer is the silver scheme steel REA car of 1947 (finally caught a glimpse of the latter in Penn Valley Productions "Susquehanna Division" video). Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:49:04 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] X-42 paint scheme In a message dated 4/1/99 11:27:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, RickTipton@aol.com writes: > Did I miss other photos of the PK (plain keystone) lettering? Rick: The plain Keystone version is on page 18 of Vol. II of the Color Guide. It is car 2545 photographed June 1962 in the Spruce St. Coach Yard, Columbus, Oh. Rich Orr ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "PRRSignals" Subject: [PRR] ***ooops, fergot....** Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:22:01 -0500 ***I forgot to publicly thank all the folks who responded to my request for Altoona info ( passed to the prr-list from my pal al while I was on sabbatical leave...). The time spent in research and verification is very appreciated ! The materials and photos have been forwarded to the printer, and all who assisted will = of course = be mentioned and credited. The Altoona Booklet may be out as soon as July, and certainly will be available for Our August PRR Convention. It should be very informative, educational and interesting for all PRR fans ! Thx again, Bill******* ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "PRRSignals" Subject: [PRR] ***Verifying wired trackage...Lines West folks can delete Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:13:24 -0500 ****Hi, all- Jerry has graciously paroled ( not pardoned...) me, so I may temporarily resume PRR discussions. Guess I have to check in each month with the PO ? parole officer ?). Can I nominate Al B., Bob B., Steve B. Barry P. or Dick M. for that position....???? Anyway, RE: the disscussion on electrical operations on the PRR. One method of Verifying electrified trackage on most railroads is to find that section in the ETT. For the PRR, it was typically Special Instruction 1167. This lists every track wired for electrical operation, and the limits if the entire track was not wired ( which is the case in yards such as Harrisburg, Enola, Meadows, etc.) where on some tracks there was just enough wire tracks to allow electric units to back in and couple to a track, etc. Of course, for the NY Div, AC =and DC= operations were listed, so as to also include the LIRR and NYNH&H operations. The CT290 Booklet mentioned previously only provides information regarding electrical operation, and does *not* specify the trackage so equipped, so that is of no help in researching and / or verifying wired trackage. Another verification source our group utilizes is the "Plate Order Diagram Books", which define pictorially each trolley section, and show entire areas, so as to reveal which tracks were wired and thus affected. As I happen to have it handy for other research, in PRR Philadelphia Region ETT #4 of Oct. 27, 1957, the Harrisburg area gets half of page 283. You may borrow if you wish, of course, but I thought that you copied that already from my 1954 PRR ETT...??? Thanks to Dr. Bruce for the B=rat models; wish you could scale them up 3 times for my scale ( G ) , they look great !!!! My GG-1 will have to its own drilling. Bill********** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: [PRR] Diaphragms and radio stickers From: Fred G Rea Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 22:35:29 EST Two rather unrelated questions: 1. I think I remember lots of head end cars with no diaphragms but a buffer at floor level that would contact the bottom of a diaphragm on the next car. Am I dreaming? If not what cars would they have been as I would to include same on some of my HO cars. 2. Why were "radio" stickers placed on later equipment of both PRR and other roads? Were they required if equipped with 2-way communications? Fred Rea ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:21:24 -0500 From: Andy Miller Subject: Re: [PRR] Diaphragms and radio stickers Fred, Head end cars with no end doors, such as express reefers, frequently had those buffers. The part is available from Cal Scale in HO as part of the express reefer brake set. regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org =================================================== Fred G Rea wrote: > > Two rather unrelated questions: > > 1. I think I remember lots of head end cars with no diaphragms but a > buffer at floor level that would contact the bottom of a diaphragm on the > next car. Am I dreaming? If not what cars would they have been as I > would to include same on some of my HO cars. > > 2. Why were "radio" stickers placed on later equipment of both PRR and > other roads? Were they required if equipped with 2-way communications? > > Fred Rea ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: [PRR] Need Photo of Shark #2000 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 99 08:08:18 -0500 From: Jerry A calendar publisher has asked my help in locating a photo of Shark #2000 for use in a calendar for next year. Anyone have one or know of one? She was a BF-16 A unit, built in 1951. I checked Jack Hahn's book (Wither's Publishing) but there aren't any photos of her. ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton jerry@dsop.com "Keystone Crossings" http://kc.pennsyrr.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! Web space available at http://www.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: [PRR] Need Two Mileposts Date: Fri, 2 Apr 99 10:22:20 -0500 From: Jerry I need two mile post references for research on my book "The Pennsylvania Railroad in York County, Pennsylvania", to be published by the PRRT&HS for the 2000 convention... First, I need a milepost reference for the Shocks Mill Bridge on the Atglen & Susquehanna Branch. Looking at the CT1000, the west connector with the Columbia Branch is at MP 89.5. The next entry is an "E.B. Back-off Siding" at MP 92.6. I don't know if this was east or west of the bridge. The next entry is Wago Junction at MP 94.6. So, Shocks Mill Bridge is somewhere between MP 89.5 and MP 93 or so. Second, I need a milepost reference for the Frederick Branch. I need to know where it passes from York County into Adams County. Outside of York, the line runs through Graybill, Bair, Spring Grove, Hanover, Sell, Littlestown, and Kingsdale before meeting the Maryland State Line. Somewhere along there is the Adams County line. Again, any photos of the lines in York County would be appreciated. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton jerry@dsop.com "Keystone Crossings" http://kc.pennsyrr.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! Web space available at http://www.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:00:14 -0600 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] New Loco Project! (was Module Photos) >Bruce >Sounds great but I don't want to scrap one of my Gs . Think you could get >the side frams cast and use the Bowser wheels for the trucks. Well, the problem isn't the sideframes (the only GG1 components used would be the drivers, gears, motors, and perhaps pantographs) and I would have suggested Bowser drivers, except that we need 62" drivers WITHOUT counterweights. As far as I can tell...the only other way to do this would be to actually cast the centers, and buy NS rims...something I wasn't quite up to. Another minor technical point is that the center driver of the B1 was blind and the GG1 set is all flanged. Happy Rails, Bruce Bruce F. 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Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:46:31 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Diaphragms and radio stickers In a message dated 4/1/99 22:46:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, fredrea@juno.com writes: << Why were "radio" stickers placed on later equipment of both PRR and other roads? Were they required if equipped with 2-way communications? >> To the best of my knowledge they were not required but were a means of identifying those units equipped with radios without climbing into the locomotive. They were used on the PRR duirng the transition from Trainphones to radios. Rich Orr ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: [PRR] Terminology Opinion Sought Date: Fri, 2 Apr 99 10:45:12 -0500 From: Jerry Another question for my York book: I am dividing the book by branches. The branches in York County are the Northern Central, the Atglen & Susquehanna, the York (former Wrightsville; former Wrightsville, York & Gettysburg), and the Frederick. The Northern Central will, by far, be the largest focus of the book. The confusion comes in for the stretch from Wago Junction north to the county line. The stretch of the Northern Central (originally the York & Cumberland) was the first railroad on this right-of-way. It was expanded to two tracks fairly early on. In 1902, the Atglen & Susquehanna (low-grade) was put it. From the county line southeast to Wago Junction, it shares the same right-of-way. There were four tracks side by side. From Wago on, the A&S carried its own RoW. I don't want duplicate sections in the book, so I want one line to reference "see the other xxx". Question is, where do I place the material and what do I call it? Do I place the Wago to county line section under the Northern Central Branch? I know if would not be appropriate to place it under the A&S, since the NCRy was already there. Or, do I "stop" the NCRy and the A&S at Wago and create a new section for Wago to the county line? In the 1945 CT1000, this stretch is referenced as the "York Haven Line". Interestingly, the York Haven Line and the A&S were operated by the Philadelphia Division; the NCRy, from Wago south, was operated by the Maryland Division (except a brief stint when there was a Harrisburg Division which controlled it to the Maryland state line). Your thoughts? ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton jerry@dsop.com "Keystone Crossings" http://kc.pennsyrr.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! Web space available at http://www.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "PRRSignals" Subject: Re: [PRR] Need Two Mileposts Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:48:41 -0500 >I need two mile post references for research on my book "The Pennsylvania >Railroad in York County, Pennsylvania", to be published by the PRRT&HS >for the 2000 convention... > >First, I need a milepost reference for the Shocks Mill Bridge on the >Atglen & Susquehanna Branch. Looking at the CT1000, the west connector >with the Columbia Branch is at MP 89.5. The next entry is an "E.B. >Back-off Siding" at MP 92.6. I don't know if this was east or west of the >bridge. The next entry is Wago Junction at MP 94.6. So, Shocks Mill >Bridge is somewhere between MP 89.5 and MP 93 or so. *********prr phila region ett 4 of 10/27/57 shows (mileage from park, now....you might have to refigure......) shocks...45.4..........which was the interlocking on the east side of the bridge.. lg-54.....48.8 wago junction.....50.6 > >Second, I need a milepost reference for the Frederick Branch. I need to >know where it passes from York County into Adams County. Outside of York, >the line runs through Graybill, Bair, Spring Grove, Hanover, Sell, >Littlestown, and Kingsdale before meeting the Maryland State Line. >Somewhere along there is the Adams County line. > ***sorry, state lines ( at 41.1 ) are ususally shown in ETT's, county lines = need map, local knowledge.....bill** >Again, any photos of the lines in York County would be appreciated. >Thanks. > >----------------------------------------------- >Jerry Britton jerry@dsop.com >"Keystone Crossings" http://kc.pennsyrr.com/ > Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! >Web space available at http://www.pennsyrr.com >----------------------------------------------- > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce >site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. 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From: "PRRSignals" Subject: Re: [PRR] Terminology Opinion Sought Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:05:06 -0500 ****in 1950 etc, that is referred to as the York Haven Line, and divided into two pairs. Might want to segregate this section as it was referred to individually and distinctly from the branches it then became on the east end. Back In 1936 it was shown as to be unified, as tracks #1-2-3-4. jus my thoughts....billl*** -----Original Message----- From: Jerry To: PRR-Talk Date: Friday, April 02, 1999 11:35 AM Subject: [PRR] Terminology Opinion Sought >Another question for my York book: > >I am dividing the book by branches. The branches in York County are the >Northern Central, the Atglen & Susquehanna, the York (former >Wrightsville; former Wrightsville, York & Gettysburg), and the Frederick. > >The Northern Central will, by far, be the largest focus of the book. The >confusion comes in for the stretch from Wago Junction north to the county >line. The stretch of the Northern Central (originally the York & >Cumberland) was the first railroad on this right-of-way. It was expanded >to two tracks fairly early on. > >In 1902, the Atglen & Susquehanna (low-grade) was put it. From the county >line southeast to Wago Junction, it shares the same right-of-way. There >were four tracks side by side. From Wago on, the A&S carried its own RoW. > >I don't want duplicate sections in the book, so I want one line to >reference "see the other xxx". Question is, where do I place the material >and what do I call it? > >Do I place the Wago to county line section under the Northern Central >Branch? I know if would not be appropriate to place it under the A&S, >since the NCRy was already there. > >Or, do I "stop" the NCRy and the A&S at Wago and create a new section for >Wago to the county line? In the 1945 CT1000, this stretch is referenced >as the "York Haven Line". > >Interestingly, the York Haven Line and the A&S were operated by the >Philadelphia Division; the NCRy, from Wago south, was operated by the >Maryland Division (except a brief stint when there was a Harrisburg >Division which controlled it to the Maryland state line). > >Your thoughts? > >----------------------------------------------- >Jerry Britton jerry@dsop.com >"Keystone Crossings" http://kc.pennsyrr.com/ > Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! >Web space available at http://www.pennsyrr.com >----------------------------------------------- > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce >site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. 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From: VVA249@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:32:14 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Diaphragms, BUFFER PLATES and radio stickers I first became aware of the "buffer plates" when building a "Red Ball" - pot metal and wood R50b more than 35 years ago. The kit included small rectangular castings to be mounted to the wood body through the end sill with escutcheon pins - and there were even recesses in both the end sill and buffer plate to hold the springs ! Neat detail for those days Dick Ross Cleveland ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:21:47 -0600 Subject: [PRR] N-scale decals From: locoshop@juno.com Hello again, All you N scalers out there on this list I have a question for you. Where do you obtain N scale PRR decals? I am looking for sets that would be for hopper cars with the Circle Keystone specifically. I am looking to try and maybe take a bunch of the MDC 3 bay hoppers and paint them up in freight car red and decal them for H21s (please do not shoot me). Or is there a more correct version of hopper car out there to use that I could make a large unit coal train with to run with my pair of L1s (still in the conversion phase as of yet). Thanks. Jeremy Helms Omaha, Nebraska locoshop@juno.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:55:03 EST Subject: [PRR] Lost communications and the Jack Fravert collection (.doc Gize, Computers only let you down when it's important, right? My AOL installation picked Thursday to crash, taking with it all the mail (in and out) about lists of hardware for sale out of the Jack Fravert collection. If you sent me a message in the last few days, please resend it. If you couldn't open the Word documents I sent last time, you might have more luck with the attachment to this document, which is again Word 97. For those of you needing .txt files instead, I'm trying to build a text version; it will be attached to a later posting. Thanks for all your interest in Jack's collection. Keep in mind we're only doing hardware now. Later on there'll be railroad silver, ETT's, and a huge number of public timetables and "tourist pamphlets" issued by railroads. Stay tuned. Rick Tipton Louisville KY ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:07:54 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Diaphragms and radio stickers In a message dated 4/1/99 10:46:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, fredrea@juno.com writes: << 2. Why were "radio" stickers placed on later equipment of both PRR and other roads? Were they required if equipped with 2-way communications? >> Indication of UHF radios installed, versus the old low-frequency inductive train phone. It would have been a way to know what locomotive cabs/cabin cars weren't yet converted. Rick Tipton ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 15:01:59 -0500 From: "Tom Mahon" Subject: [PRR] Routing to Altoona Good afternoon PRR listers, I have a question for you south-central PA denizens: I am going to be going to Gettsburg in a week or so for some vacation. Had wanted to get to Altoona while in the "area." Then I was reminded of the typical PA geography and Geology (LaSalle '68) where the valleys run SW to NE. I'd appreciate routing and drive time info. My map shows US30 as a possibility to go "cross-country" before heading North. In my mind there is "direct" mileage and direct "time" when the mileage may be shorter, but the time route is less of a hassle. Your advise is appreciated. To save Jerry disk space/bandwidth/heart attack off list might be a good idea, unless there is some other SPF out there with the same question. Tom Mahon Merrimack, NH ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: [PRR] N-scale decals Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 14:10:18 -0500 From: Dennis Rockwell On 2 Apr, locoshop@juno.com wrote: > All you N scalers out there on this list I have a question for you. > Where do you obtain N scale PRR decals? I am looking for sets > that would be for hopper cars with the Circle Keystone specifically. I believe that CDS makes appropiate dry transfers, but I can't help you on the part numbers. My catalog is behind the counter at the store... :-) > I am looking to try and maybe take a bunch of the MDC 3 bay > hoppers and paint them up in freight car red and decal them for > H21s (please do not shoot me). Aren't those cars closer to the H39? Or is that too late for you (it is for me, and I've been seriously tempted). Nobody makes a reasonable four-bay ribside that I know of. Too bad. > Or is there a more correct version > of hopper car out there to use that I could make a large unit coal > train with to run with my pair of L1s (still in the conversion phase > as of yet). You do know that MT's 56000 and 57000 shells are reasonable versions of the H31, H31A and H31B? If you putty up the plank seams on the 57000 (damned picky job, too), you would get an H31C. MT has produced six H31s and an H31B; they also did a "Buy War Bonds" GLa on the 56000 shell (close, but not real close). Good luck! Dennis Rockwell SPF(N) dennis@bbn.com Cambridge MA I love the smell of brakeshoes in the morning! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: PRRMAN@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:08:08 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Need Two Mileposts In a message dated 99-04-02 11:12:02 EST, jerry@dsop.com writes: << First, I need a milepost reference for the Shocks Mill Bridge >> "PRR 1950 Track Charts, Vol. 1", reproduced by Rails Northeast, McKeesport, PA (date unknown, but I've had it for eons) shows the Susquehanna River bridge to occupy most of the distance between MP 46 and 47 (these would be from Park). The York/ Lancaster county line, presumably mid-river, is shown exactly halfway between the two MP's. The Manchester/Hellam township line and the Codorus Creek undercrossing are shown just barely east of MP 47. Shocks is shown at about MP 45.4 Hope this helps. Unfortunately, the book does not cover the Frederick Branch. But the fact that this type of reproduction, with all the county/township lines, exists would indicate that there must be similar charts of the branch out there somewhere. 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I think the toll is even waved for the short jaunt to get folks away from the construction. Drew R. McGhee Altoona, PA drm6@psu.edu http://www.personal.psu.edu/staff/d/r/drm6/ At 03:01 PM 4/2/99 -0500, Tom Mahon wrote: >Good afternoon PRR listers, >I have a question for you south-central PA denizens: I am going to be >going to Gettsburg in a week or so for some vacation. Had wanted to get >to Altoona while in the "area." Then I was reminded of the typical PA >geography and Geology (LaSalle '68) where the valleys run SW to NE. I'd >appreciate routing and drive time info. My map shows US30 as a >possibility to go "cross-country" before heading North. In my mind there >is "direct" mileage and direct "time" when the mileage may be shorter, >but the time route is less of a hassle. Your advise is appreciated. To >save Jerry disk space/bandwidth/heart attack off list might be a good >idea, unless there is some other SPF out there with the same question. > >Tom Mahon >Merrimack, NH ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: [PRR] Thanks for the buffer and radio info From: Fred G Rea Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 17:21:45 EST Thanks to all for the info on buffers and radio stickers. As for the buffers, were they on any of the passenger service merchandize/box cars (X29 etc)? Fred Rea ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: [PRR] Need Two Mileposts Date: Fri, 2 Apr 99 20:22:34 -0500 From: Jerry On 4/2/99 5:08 PM, PRRMAN@aol.com (PRRMAN@aol.com) wrote: > >"PRR 1950 Track Charts, Vol. 1", reproduced by Rails Northeast, >McKeesport, PA (date unknown, but I've had it for eons) shows >the Susquehanna River bridge to occupy most of the distance >between MP 46 and 47 (these would be from Park). The York/ >Lancaster county line, presumably mid-river, is shown exactly >halfway between the two MP's. The Manchester/Hellam township >line and the Codorus Creek undercrossing are shown just barely >east of MP 47. Shocks is shown at about MP 45.4 > >Hope this helps. Unfortunately, the book does not cover the >Frederick Branch. But the fact that this type of reproduction, >with all the county/township lines, exists would indicate that >there must be similar charts of the branch out there somewhere Thanks. Dan Cupper pointed me to a track chart which I have (right under my nose) that shows the mileposts and county lines. Boy, what was I thinking! Shocks Mill data is right on. Frederick Branch appears to hit Adams County around MP 32.8...between Hanover (York Co.) and Littlestown (Adams Co.). ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton jerry@dsop.com "Keystone Crossings" http://kc.pennsyrr.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! Web space available at http://www.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Stephen Bernas" Subject: [PRR] Greetigns from a silent observer Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 19:58:25 -0500 Greetings all. I have been one of the many silent observes for many months now and have greatly enjoyed the wealth on knowledge I lave learned from this list. Being a computer programmer and starting to write html and asp pages at work I have been toying with the idea of setting up my own little corner of the web with some Pennsy content. Well, finally dove in full throttle and placed some stuff on the web. My first great project is converting my ever growing collection of Pennsy magazines into HTML for easier searching and viewing. So far I have done March and May of 53 and am working on August of 53. The site is located at www.erols.com/bernass1. If you are interested, take a look and tell me what you think. If you're not, you're not missing much. The rest of the site really does nothing. I'm not even sure if I like the layout and the categories but I at least have something up. The Once you are at the site, click on library and go from there. Stephen Bernas Bernass1@erols.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 06:33:58 -0800 From: Frank Bagrash Subject: [PRR] LIRR paint scheme Hi, Atlas has just rereleased the RS-1 (HO scale) letterd for the LIRR and painted in a dark gray with red many-contoured midline stripe going from the end to the nose. Does anybody know during which years the LIRR used this paint scheme? Thanks, Frank -- Frank M. Bagrash, Ph.D. 714-278-2669 Department of Psychology 714-278-7134 (Fax) P.O. Box 6846 California State University Fullerton, California 92834-6846 E-mail: fbagrash@fullerton.edu Boogie gently, babies ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Alan Buchan" Subject: RE: [PRR] Need Two Mileposts Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:47:21 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com]On Behalf Of PRRMAN@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 02, 1999 5:08 PM To: jerry@dsop.com; prr-talk@dsop.com Subject: Re: [PRR] Need Two Mileposts In a message dated 99-04-02 11:12:02 EST, jerry@dsop.com writes: Rich stated: But the fact that this type of reproduction, with all the county/township lines, exists would indicate that there must be similar charts of the branch out there somewhere. ---------------------------- Municipal, county and state boundaries are usually shown on PRR track charts. Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:32:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] New Loco Project! (was Module Photos) From: Patrick M Egan There might be something British that might give you the drivers you need. They were fond of outside frame inside connected locomotives, and some of their locomotives had pretty big trailing truck wheels. If this is a possible, the scratch build list may hold some promise, since it's ever so British. 63 inches in HO is 55 1/4 inches in OO scale if I did the math right. Pat Egan (no web access) On Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:00:14 -0600 "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." writes: >>Bruce >>Sounds great but I don't want to scrap one of my Gs . Think you could >get >>the side frams cast and use the Bowser wheels for the trucks. > >Well, the problem isn't the sideframes (the only GG1 components used >would >be the drivers, gears, motors, and perhaps pantographs) and I would >have >suggested Bowser drivers, except that we need 62" drivers WITHOUT >counterweights. As far as I can tell...the only other way to do this >would >be to actually cast the centers, and buy NS rims...something I wasn't >quite >up to. Another minor technical point is that the center driver of the >B1 >was blind and the GG1 set is all flanged. > >Happy Rails, >Bruce > >Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. >Scott-Ritchey Research Center >334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) >http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ > >There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." - Dave >Barry > >PRRMO: The PRR Modular Modeling Society! http://prrmo.pennsyrr.com > _ _ > / \ / \ > ____\_/_____________\_/____ ____________________________________ > |- _______/ O \_______ -| |_ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ _| > | / PENNSYLVANIA \ | | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| | > |/_________________________\|_|_|________________________________|_| > | O--O \0 0 0/ O--O | |=| 0==0 0==0 |=| > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new >eCommerce >site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact >"listmaster@dsop.com". > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "PRRSignals" Subject: [PRR] ***Rockville Remembered*** Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:05:55 -0500 ****The PRR Mutual has reminded us of another project: The movement to get "our" bridge remembered..... The Rockville Bridge U.S.Stamp Committee continues to request your help in an effort in urging the Citizens Advisory Committee to have a U. S. Postage Stamp issued to honor the bridge. Please write a letter to: Citizens Stamp Committee, U. S. Postal Service, Stamp Development, Room 4474-E, 4751 L'Enfant Plaza SW, Washington, DC 20260-2437. Please CC to: Dorothy Hammaker, 116 Williams Street, Marysville, PA 17053. This has the support of Mayor Reed of Harrisburg, among many others !!! Please write !!! In a sad note, Walker K. Hancock passed away at 97 on Dec. 30, 1998. He was the sculptor who concocted the 39 foot high artistic masterpiece, " Angel of Resurrection" that stands in the grand concourse of 30th Street Station, Philadelphia. This was commissioned in 1947 by the PRR to honor WW2 RR employees killed in action. Thanks to friend and NARVRE co-member Tod Beadle for this note. For those of you near Philly, we just went to the Franklin Museum recently things to do while banned from the PRR-LIST....) and the Short Film Subject at the IMAX surround theatre features the face-lifted insides of 30th Street Station, with this statue in prominent view !! The 'operating' Baldwin steam locomotive 60000 is still functioning, and a G scale layout has been added, which visitors may operate !!! A neat place for RR'ers. bill******* ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 23:51:09 -0500 From: John Ryan Subject: [PRR] PRR Video I can't get any response at the Mark I Video site. Has anybody had any luck? Any comments on the two new PRR videos? John Ryan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:35:28 -0600 Subject: [PRR] Catenary From: locoshop@juno.com Hello all, I just was looking through my new MR and saw a small ad from Model Memories. They are advertising PRR style catenary. I was wondering if anyone has used them? If so what have been your experiences with it, good or bad. Thanks for any help. This question is spawned by the announced B1s and the possibility of doing a display. Jeremy Helms Omaha, Nebraska locoshop@juno.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "PRRSignals" Subject: [PRR] ***PRR Radio freq's..* Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:40:40 -0500 ***I may have noted a reference to the PRR Radio frequencies during a discussion, actually they were VHF....160.80 MHz, common road channel, among many others used, all in the VHF Range back then. Yes, the Radio sticker merely ( and proudly !!!) indicated the equipment was installed, locos, cabins and Towers ! This was touted as they 'modernized' the PRR. Bill, WA2HRV******** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:57:22 -0600 Subject: Re: [PRR] Routing to Altoona From: locoshop@juno.com Tom, The Bedford exit is number 11 (unless it has changed since my being to Bedford 2 years ago). On Fri, 02 Apr 1999 16:56:15 -0500 Drew McGhee writes: >Tom, > >US Rt 30 West to I 99 North at Bedford should get you to Altoona from >Gettsyburg in around 3 hours. However, I believe that there is >ongoing >construction of US 30 between Breezewood and Bedford. In that event, >just >jump on the PA Turnpike, head west and get off at the Bedford / I 99 >Exit. >I think the toll is even waved for the short jaunt to get folks away >from >the construction. > >Drew R. McGhee >Altoona, PA >drm6@psu.edu >http://www.personal.psu.edu/staff/d/r/drm6/ > > >At 03:01 PM 4/2/99 -0500, Tom Mahon wrote: >>Good afternoon PRR listers, >>I have a question for you south-central PA denizens: I am going to >be >>going to Gettsburg in a week or so for some vacation. Had wanted to >get >>to Altoona while in the "area." Then I was reminded of the typical >PA >>geography and Geology (LaSalle '68) where the valleys run SW to NE. >I'd >>appreciate routing and drive time info. My map shows US30 as a >>possibility to go "cross-country" before heading North. In my mind >there >>is "direct" mileage and direct "time" when the mileage may be >shorter, >>but the time route is less of a hassle. Your advise is appreciated. >To >>save Jerry disk space/bandwidth/heart attack off list might be a >good >>idea, unless there is some other SPF out there with the same >question. >> >>Tom Mahon >>Merrimack, NH Jeremy Helms Omaha, Nebraska locoshop@juno.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "PRRSignals" Subject: [PRR] ***Follow the Broad Way to Altoona !!*** Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:32:21 -0500 ***At the risk of annoying Jerry ( again...) this may be of interest to many, as the August '99 PRR Convention is in Altoona. Tom et al: >From Gettysburg, follow Route 15 North right into Camp Hill, stay with it to west of Duncannon, where you will get on Route 22 west. Follow that all the way out to Water Street ( strange town name...) and then Route 45 to Tyrone. >From there, Route 220 into Altoona. With this routing you will be near ( if not immediately parallel !! ) to the Broad Way for the entire trip. Brief Side trips will get you into RR locations easily along the way. Adjacent highlights include: The Lemoyne junction area, Hbg bridge, Enola Yard, Rockville Bridge, various pacing stretches ! etc. Looks about 4 hours, add for desired detours. Back on 9/29/77, our group of Joisey PRR'ers chased ConRail's Hottest Train, Mail #11 along this route, catching him six times !!!! A real tribute to the Ed Martin / Joe Jack Skool of Driving !!!!!! ( A Rental car, thank Goodness !!). Our mad dash side trip at Thompsontown resulted in the Cover picture for Feb 1978 Rails Northeast, down on from the signal bridge, no less. Taken by skinny Engineer Steve Bonscher, nicknamed "Spider" for some unknown reason...?! The topper was then beating him at MO / Cresson at sundown one last time. You will love this trip !!! Bill****** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 23:32:02 -0500 From: Elliot Fishbein and/or Eileen Kolbasuk Subject: [PRR] LIRR paint scheme Hello, The LIRR paint scheme on the Atlas RS-1 was known as the "World's Fair" scheme. It first appeared at the end of 1963 and was around at least until 1967 or 1968. I hope this helps. Elliot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. 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Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: AlbertSR@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 22:51:35 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] New Loco Project! (was Module Photos) In a message dated 4/2/99 9:13:43 AM Central Standard Time, smithbf@mail.auburn.edu writes: << Well, the problem isn't the sideframes (the only GG1 components used would be the drivers, gears, motors, and perhaps pantographs) and I would have suggested Bowser drivers, except that we need 62" drivers WITHOUT counterweights. As far as I can tell...the only other way to do this would be to actually cast the centers, and buy NS rims...something I wasn't quite up to. Another minor technical point is that the center driver of the B1 was blind and the GG1 set is all flanged. Happy Rails, Bruce >> OK, Guys, Time to fess up. The web page I looked at said this was a April fools day joke, But the conversation is now getting serious, we're talking scrapping GG-1's for drive components. Is this a joke or is there ANY remote possibility of these little beauties coming to fruition in resin. If so I definitelty have to get my reservation in. Slobbering all the way Al Stump ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Prr1187@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:55:23 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] SW-? >From Edwin Alexander's book "The Pennsylvania Railroad", a photo of the class A6b number 3907 is shown along with AA6 number 3909, which clearly shows the short stacks. The former was listed as PRR's first diesel electric, which makes the 3908 the second, etc. Yanosey's books claim the 3907 was built in 1930. It does look very different in that it was short in length and only had 4 wheels. The AA6 numbers 3905 & 3906 (that Cos references) were shown as gasoline electrics by Alexander, the former built 1928 & the later 1929 according to Yanosey. Regards, Dennis S, Lines West ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "PRRSignals" Subject: [PRR] ***rre: Mark I video...*** Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 01:23:25 -0500 ***John and all- When I was on my NYS&W E unit cab ride near Marc Balkin's vicinity, I had heard that....< rumor has it >....that he was allegedly arrested and had material confiscated due to alleged involvement with porno, underage, etc., types of problems. A pal is searching the old newspapers now for verification. He never did give my engineer pal the tape he made last year and promised him...... billl**** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (doloris mittner) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:29:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [PRR] K4s Headlight Guys, Off the top of your head, does anyone know for sure or have a photo showing a K4s besides #1737, with the oil burning headlight? Or am I correct in assuming that after the production runs had begun the electic headlight came into being? I have about 325 of the 425 K4's represented on photos but none if any date into the teens to show proof. Any quaified opinions? Gary ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 08:53:15 -0500 From: Stephen Bartlett Subject: Re: [PRR] Catenary Jeremy, Model Memories has had a beautiful display of their products at a number of model rr shows. I am not in HO so can't comment directly - but the have a good looking line that also includes under-running 3d rail and New Haven style catenary. They have a web site at http://www.info-4u.com/modelmemories/mproduct.htm Steve Bartlett Drooling in O scale locoshop@juno.com wrote: > > Hello all, > > I just was looking through my new MR and saw a small > ad from Model Memories. They are advertising PRR style > catenary. I was wondering if anyone has used them? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 09:43:17 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Greetigns from a silent observer Stephen: Site looks good and the Pennsy is a topic not available on other sites. So you are definitely filling a void. One comment, you may not be aware that the correct name of the structure in the opening photograph is Pittsburgh Union Station. Rich Orr ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Stephen R. (Steve) Sejda" Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 09:26:20 -0500 Subject: [PRR] USPS Stamps To Feature GG1 Greetings to the Group, I was in the USPS website checking out postal rates and decided to browse the 1999 Stamp Program. The "All Aboard!" series, to be released sometime this year, contains 5 Ted Rose images which includes a GG1 Hauling the Congressional. No release date given. The website 'splains the rest. Here's the link to view the stamps: http://www.usps.gov/images/stamps/99/all_aboard.htm Enjoy! Steve ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 11:34:48 -0500 From: John Ryan Subject: Re: [PRR] USPS Stamps To Feature GG1 I believe I've seen an Aug. 26th release date somewhere on the USPS site. Stephen R. (Steve) Sejda wrote: > > Greetings to the Group, > > I was in the USPS website checking out postal rates and decided > to browse the 1999 Stamp Program. The "All Aboard!" series, to be > released sometime this year, contains 5 Ted Rose images which > includes a GG1 Hauling the Congressional. No release date given. > The website 'splains the rest. > > Here's the link to view the stamps: > > http://www.usps.gov/images/stamps/99/all_aboard.htm > > Enjoy! > > Steve > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce > site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 13:39:47 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] ***rre: Mark I video...*** In a message dated 4/3/99 1:08:57 AM Central Standard Time, prrsignals@adelphia.net writes: << ..< rumor has it >....that he was allegedly arrested and had material confiscated due to alleged involvement with porno, underage, etc., types of problems. A pal is searching the old newspapers now for verification. >> The press reported he had been arrested in a sting wherein the 14-year-old girl he went to meet on a date set up on the internet turned out to be a male adult FBI agent. That was all that was reported, at least in the newspaper account I saw. Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: DZJN21A@prodigy.com (MR CHARLES J CHANDLER II) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:52:29, -0500 Subject: [PRR] Catenary Jeremy, I have seen their catenary sys. at my local hobby shop and believe it is the most accurate PRR sys. in HO scale to date. It really builds up into a very nice looking sys. However, I must caution you when installing catenary around curves, esp. if you will be running GG1's along with all other PRR electric motors. The pantographs of the G's hang out farther, making the location of contact wires extremely important.This might be difficult when using their pre-determined lengths of catenary wire, esp. when multi-track curves of model railroading radius are used. Of course, this will not be a problem if you are planning on just a straight line display. Charlie C. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 13:43:19 -0500 From: "Wayne S. Betty" Subject: Re: [PRR] K4s Headlight Howdy All: Check out Pennsy Power I, pages 166, 175, 182 and 183. And I have a picture of 1120 (?) with train #24 on the Curve somtime in the 191? on my site at - http://www.concentric.net/~wsbcos/Prr.htm . cos wsbcos.com > Guys, > > Off the top of your head, does anyone know for sure or have a > photo showing a K4s besides #1737, with the oil burning headlight? Or am > I correct in assuming that after the production runs had begun the > electic headlight came into being? I have about 325 of the 425 K4's > represented on photos but none if any date into the teens to show > proof. Any quaified opinions? Gary ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RLA0220@webtv.net (RICHARD ADER) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 13:46:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [PRR] Keystone Article research Jerry, Mark Bej, and group, Is there anyone out there with information to share about the Bel-Del? (Stretch of the Pennsy form Fair tower off the NEC in Trenton, up the Delaware river to G tower in Belvidere) This in addition to Warren Lee's Book. My specific interest lies with G tower and the closing there of. According to our late friend Jim Lynch, G closed in January of 1972. Can anyone tell me who the last operators of G were/are. Thanks Rich Ader ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: BPX29@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 16:41:11 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] ***rre: Mark I video...*** Bill & folks, Someone had made an earlier posting on the subject of Mark I's "temporary suspension of service" (for probably the next seven to ten years). The posting had a scanned copy of the news article and it seems Mark had indeed fallen into an FBI ambush. Upon seeing that the 14 year old of his dreams was actually a gun-toting fed our erstwhile producer of reasonably priced tapes made a bid for freedom that included a short but high speed chase and an attempt to run down an agent. I gather a few well-placed shots brought a little reason into the proceedings, as well as adding some weight to the charges. Mark's wife, when asked for opinions by reporters, declined comment. Ah well, he didn't have that much B&O stuff anyway. Maybe they can find him a job taping the trains of Kosovo . But in all seriousness, I'm glad they got another predator off the streets. Barry ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "PRRSignals" Subject: [PRR] ***Marc I Video....balkanized !!!!** Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 19:43:04 -0500 ***Thanks, Bob Z... The story I got about Marc Balkan < verbally > from the RR and fan locals *allegedly* involved *gunfire, car chases* and some really strange goings-on. Awaiting a snail mail confirm, I better wait before saying more. " Don't make promises you never intended to keep "...........Bill*** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ted.andrews@woolpert.com Date: Sat, 03 Apr 99 16:42:41 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] ***PRR Radio freq's..* Bill: As far as the PRR's Radio sticker is concerned, do you know the approximate time that this sticker started showing up on equipment? Was is 1965 or 1966? Ted Andrews Carmel, Indiana ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: [PRR] ***PRR Radio freq's..* Author: "PRRSignals" at Internet Date: 4/3/99 12:08 AM ***I may have noted a reference to the PRR Radio frequencies during a discussion, actually they were VHF....160.80 MHz, common road channel, among many others used, all in the VHF Range back then. Yes, the Radio sticker merely ( and proudly !!!) indicated the equipment was installed, locos, cabins and Towers ! This was touted as they 'modernized' the PRR. Bill, WA2HRV******** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. 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From: "PRRSignals" Subject: [PRR] ***The Franklin Museum, also for Diesel fans !!!!** Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 23:38:56 -0500 **Thx, and aloha back to you, Eric !!! For the modern diesel fans, they have added a CR half-of-a-loco-cab set-up, control stand and all !!! ( Not a Baldwin shark, sadly....!!!). looks like a second generation GP / SD EMD cab. It was a bit beat up and vandalized, but mostly intact. Bill****** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 17:35:35 -1000 From: "Eric J. Minton" Subject: Re: [PRR] ***Rockville Remembered*** Aloha Nice to here the Baldwin is still there, I first saw it when I was a teenager. Just after I moved away a layout was built, when I next got back in the area it had been removed. This was 6 or 8 years ago. I hope this layout is still there when I get back, before another 30 years goes by. Thanks Eric At 11:05 PM 4/2/99 -0500, PRRSignals wrote: >For those of you near Philly, we just went to the Franklin Museum recently > things to do while banned from the PRR-LIST....) and the Short Film Subject >at the IMAX surround theatre features the face-lifted insides of 30th Street >Station, with this statue in prominent view !! The 'operating' Baldwin steam >locomotive 60000 is still functioning, and a G scale layout has been added, >which visitors may operate !!! A neat place for RR'ers. >bill******* ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "PRRSignals" Subject: [PRR] ****Balkanized.....and info on G Tower, Belvidere, NJ...*** Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 22:22:56 -0500 ***Thanks, Barry !!! The info on Marc B. kind of wraps up that rail tale...!!!! And for Rich Ader: possibly I can get in touch with brother PRR Block Operator Dick Forest, who worked "G" Tower near that time, pray he remembers !!! I spent many happy afternoons with Dick, and rides on those pretty L&HR Alco C-420's. Freddy Strausvogel was the regular first trick Opr, will try him also. If not, Our old PRR Tower Assignment clerk is in our NARVRE ( National Association of Retired and Veteran Railway Employees ) group, and *possibly* he might recall. Let you know, all are snail mail contacts, sorry..... BTW, as NARVRE < paid political announcement...> supports and assists ALL railroaders with poltical and pension matters, I strongly suggest that any Rails on this list, active or not, join up !!! Please email me for more info, gladly sent !!! Thx, Bill, treasurer NARVRE Unit #137, red bank, nj...where i get to see and chat with PRR and CNJ RR friends from three decades ago each month !! What a great ( but free...) job !! PRR questions gladly relayed to this resource of information and verification...**** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ted.andrews@woolpert.com Date: Sat, 03 Apr 99 21:26:57 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Need Photo of Shark #2000 Jerry: I think that there was a photo of Number 2000 that appearred in the Keystone. Right around 1990-91, there were 2-3 articles published in the Keystone about "Trainspotting at Thorndale." The articles were written by a former PRR car/high-wide inspector who worked out of Thorndale. I think that one of the photos that he took was Number 2000 roaring through on a freight. I do not have any "Keystones" in front of me so I am drawing all of this out of my feeble memory. Ted Andrews ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: [PRR] Need Photo of Shark #2000 Author: Jerry at Internet Date: 4/2/99 8:08 AM A calendar publisher has asked my help in locating a photo of Shark #2000 for use in a calendar for next year. Anyone have one or know of one? She was a BF-16 A unit, built in 1951. I checked Jack Hahn's book (Wither's Publishing) but there aren't any photos of her. ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton jerry@dsop.com "Keystone Crossings" http://kc.pennsyrr.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! Web space available at http://www.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Greg Stone" Subject: [PRR] Strausburg Museum Photos Archives Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 21:35:29 -0800 I am told that there is a photos of the Renovo Roundhouse listed on the list of photos for sale from the museum at Strausburg. If anyone has the list handy could you help me out with the number of this photo or any others they have and the manner to order them? 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I just spent a pleasant hour looking thru my collection of Keystones, but only turned up Frt shark # 2015 on the point of an A-B-A set at Thorndale, photographed by Eugene Foster. ( pg 18, Summer 1995).....bill**** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 11:07:40 -0400 From: Danny Seymour Subject: [PRR] Re: K4s Headlight Gary Page 267 of "The Pennsylvania Railroad A Pictorial History" by Edwin Alexander shows a K4 with the oil lamp. If you don't have a copy email me and I will scan it for you. Dan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 15:03:29 EDT Subject: [PRR] Videos The new Keystone reviews Vol. 4,5, and 6 of Railroad Video Productions PRR offerings. . Lists the content and says they are a worthwhile buy. Not sure what that means. I have Vol. 2 and consider it perhaps the worst video I have in my collection. The content is OK, but the quality of the photography is terrible. Before I buy another (the content of Vol 5 intrigues me) has anyone on the list purchased any of these later volumes and do they have an opinion as to quality of reproduction? Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ted.andrews@woolpert.com Date: Sun, 04 Apr 99 12:39:08 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] ***Shark #2000....*** Bill and Jerry: My curiosity got the best of me. I looked too through my Keystones last night. I found it but it was not in the early 1990's. It turned out to be in the Summer 1984 Keystone. The author is Robert Harris who wrote a couple of articles on Thorndale. The photo of #2000 is not the best in quality but the author stated that the train caught him by surprise. Still, it is a photo of 2000 nonetheless Ted Andrews Carmel Indiana ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: [PRR] ***Shark #2000....*** Author: "PRRSignals" at Internet Date: 4/4/99 12:53 AM ***Not so feeble a memory, Ted !!! Think that you are right !!! Cannot find it, tho'. I just spent a pleasant hour looking thru my collection of Keystones, but only turned up Frt shark # 2015 on the point of an A-B-A set at Thorndale, photographed by Eugene Foster. ( pg 18, Summer 1995).....bill**** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. 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From: BPX29@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:25:07 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Videos Bob, I picked up some of their tapes a couple years ago (#'s 3, 29 and others) and have found the quality very dependant on the original films. I think #29 is quite good, and #3 is ok,with my compaint more on the photo work than the video. I guess what I mean is the guy shooting the original didn't frame all the shoots real good, while other parts of the tape are just fine. Their B&O tape is excellant in quality, fully the equal of tapes costing more than twice as much. And their price is good. Barry Peltier ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "jbreon" Subject: Re: [PRR] Strausburg Museum Photos Archives Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 18:43:23 -0400 Greg, I visited the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania in Strasburg today to check on your photo request. Unfortunately, while very polite and helpful, they could not allow me access to the library/archives because of it being both a Sunday and a holiday. I was told that if you call during the week (717) 687-8628 and ask for either George Deeming (curator) or Kurt Bell (archivist), they will help you find what you are looking for. Best of luck. Jerry Breon -----Original Message----- From: Greg Stone To: PRR talk Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 2:46 AM Subject: [PRR] Strausburg Museum Photos Archives >I am told that there is a photos of the Renovo Roundhouse listed on the list >of photos for sale from the museum at Strausburg. If anyone has the list >handy could you help me out with the number of this photo or any others they >have and the manner to order them? >Thanks, > Greg Stone >PRRT&HS member >Special interest in Renovo Yards > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce >site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. 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From: "Alan Buchan" Subject: RE: [PRR] Strausburg Museum Photos Archives Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 21:30:45 -0400 -----Original Message----- From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com]On Behalf Of jbreon Sent: Sunday, April 04, 1999 6:43 PM To: Greg Stone; PRR talk Subject: Re: [PRR] Strausburg Museum Photos Archives Greg, My experience has been if you want to do research at Strasburg they are available only on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Kurt Bell is an extremely nice guy and very helpful. I would suggest contacting him by e-mail first, letting him know what you want to do and if an appointment is necessary. Kurt Bell = frm@redrose.net Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new eCommerce site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:11:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Videos From: Patrick M Egan I had a similar problem. I talked to him on the phone, and was able to return the tape for a later one that he suggested, which was somewhat better. The problem is apparently that the original 8mm is often typical Kodak Brownie quality - OK for a movie of Aunt Sadie walking her poodle, but with the camera state of the art 1947, set at f/8 and permanently focused at 15 feet, doesn't work too well on a T1 (Reading, Pennsy or Northern Pacific, your choice) at 150 feet. Call the man up and complain to him. You might get something you like in exchange. Pat Egan (no web access) On Sun, 4 Apr 1999 15:03:29 EDT Bobspf@aol.com writes: >The new Keystone reviews Vol. 4,5, and 6 of Railroad Video Productions >PRR >offerings. . Lists the content and says they are a worthwhile buy. >Not sure >what that means. >I have Vol. 2 and consider it perhaps the worst video I have in my >collection. The content is OK, but the quality of the photography is >terrible. Before I buy another (the content of Vol 5 intrigues me) >has >anyone on the list purchased any of these later volumes and do they >have an >opinion as to quality of reproduction? > >Bob Zoeller > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" celebrates its new >eCommerce >site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com with a 20% off sale. 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Visit! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: [PRR] TAN: Craig Bisgeier's Site? Date: Mon, 5 Apr 99 10:58:51 -0400 From: Jerry Anyone know where Craig Bisgeier's site has moved to? The old URL's return errors; they were at http://www.microdsi.net/cbisgeier/ Craig isn't on the PRR list, but his site has a lot of operations/design stuff that I was linked to. I think he is involved with the Layout Design SIG. Since there are members of the SIG on the list, I was hoping someone could hook us up. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@dsop.com Member, PRRT&HS Modeling Harrisburg, Pa., in HO scale, circa 1954. Visit "Keystone Crossings" at http://kc.pennsyrr.com Ho