From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:59:16 EST Subject: [PRR] B70, 6000-6054 Anybody know if any of the above cars had arch roof applied or were they all monitor roof? Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" has Union Station Products and Eastern Car Works on special during February. See http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: BBReynolds@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 06:17:01 EST Subject: [PRR] L5 (was PRR Electric Questions) Bruce F. Smith wrote: >I'll leave the L5 "siderodders" for someone else (however, since they did >not operate from catenary, they would not have been MUed with GG1s) The first L5 (road number 3930, as I recall), was rigged for AC catenary operation, built 1924, scrapped c. 1942. Remaining L5's (8 or 18, I can't remember) were DC, and used for Penn Station NYC service; built 1924-25, also scrapped c. 1942. The motors of the L5 were a universal AC/DC type. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" has Union Station Products and Eastern Car Works on special during February. See http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 08:20:20 -0500 From: Livingston Subject: [PRR] Re: L-5 Electrics Livingston wrote: > > Gripp, William [NCSUS] wrote: > > > > The following questions apply to the O1 (2-B-2), P5 (2-C-2), and L5 (1-D-1). > > When were these built and when were they retired? How many of each were there? > > How were they typically operated, single units, MU within same class, MU with other classes? > > If in MU, how large was a typical lashup? Ever MUed with GG1s? > > > > Thanx for all answers. > > Dear Bill, Bruce Smith has answered you P-5 and O-1 questions, so here goes with the L-5 questions. The L-5s were built in 1924-26 or so. One L-5 was equipped with pantographs for AC operation and was used along with the single FF-1 in pusher service from Overbrook to Paoli, but probably not in multiple. It lasted until 1944 (the FF-1 was scrapped in 1940). MU receptacles were on the buffer beam for most or all L-5s, but I have never seen photos of them in multiple. The other L-5's ran on third rail from Manhattan Transfer to Penn Station and out the other side to Sunnyside until AC wire went in, then their main line duties were taken over by O-1s, P-5s, then GG-1s. They did remain in third-rail territory for transfer and other service until scrapping in 1942. The L-5s were not as useful as the DD-1s they were supposed to supplant, and the DD-1's outlived them. L-5 tractive effort was high, obviating the need for MU'ing in routine service. They derailed on "puzzle switches" due to the long rigid wheel base and the cabs were noisy and cold (or hot) and the crews preferred DD-1's. LIRR refused to take them off Pennsy's hands, but took every DD-1 offered. -- Robert Livingston ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. 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Don Murphy Subj: OD Yardmaster report, 2/27/46 Date: 2/28/99 9:08:58 PM EST From: jer@smellycat.com (Jerry Jordak) To: ODyard@aol.com (Don Murphy) Here's how it went on Saturday at OD Yard. The clock started at 1:00 AM. 01:05 1st EL-1 (eng #2846) ready to depart for Linesville 01:30 1st EL-1 departs 03:16 1st EL-1 arrives at OD During the early morning hours, OD Yard had a large number of cars bound for Warren and Renovo. With permission from the dispatcher and the superintendent, we assembled an advance W-2. 04:28 Advance W-2 ready to depart OD 05:00 Advance W-2 departs OD 05:15 W-5 arrives at MO block station 06:00 1st EK-1 (eng. #4332) ready to depart for Corry 06:00 970 departs Erie Union Station on time 06:40 W-5 arrives at OD 20 minutes early (OK'd by yardmaster) 06:55 1st EK-1 departs OD for Corry 07:33 OD yard crew completes classification of train W-5's cars 08:23 581 arrives at Erie Union Station 08:46 981 arrives at Erie Union Station 09:10 1st EK-1 arrives back at OD 09:15 981 departs Erie Union Station 09:45 2nd EL-1 departs OD for the "black hole of Linesville" 10:10 Coal extra from Renovo arrives at OD 12:25 Empty coal hopper extra departs OD for Renovo 13:25 2nd EK-1 (eng #1102) ready to depart for Waterford, Corry, and BV 15:20 2nd EL-1 arrives back at OD 15:45 2nd EK-1 departs OD 16:20 EP-2 ready to depart for New Castle (1:20 late) 16:55 EP-2 departs for New Castle 1:55 late 17:07 BEC-1 ready to depart OD 17:20 BEC-1 departs OD for Crestline on time BEC-2 derailed somewhere in Ohio, and was annuled between Crestline and Erie. A section from Erie to Buffalo could have been sent out, but there were only two cars for Buffalo, and a lack of motive power prevented calling a section of BEC-2. The last road engine left at the OD roundhouse was used for W-2. 18:10 W-2 (engine #4530) ready to depart for Renovo. 18:30 W-2 departs OD. At this point the session ended due to personnel having to leave. Again, my job was made much easier by my competent engine crew and hostler, without whom the yard would not have run anywhere as well as it did. At the end of session, there was still a cut of hoppers for New Castle to be sent on a mineral extra, and enough cars to send another EL-1. All the local Erie industries had been switched during the session. Later, -Jer -- Jerry W. Jordak ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" has Union Station Products and Eastern Car Works on special during February. 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Any other ideas would be appreciative in listing the standard railroad of the world and one of the many diesel classes of the Pennsy. Thanks, Randy Williamson Pennsy Fan in the Great White North far from the Pennsy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 08:11:28 -0500 From: Livingston Subject: Re: [PRR] Pass. Tuscan '39-'45 Thanks again, Rich. I think the time has come for me to buy some books. Is the Blardone and Tulip book sold by the PRR Historical Society? Are there other books available to help me sort out the color maze? Any help would be appreciated. SUVCWORR@aol.com wrote: > > The approved color for Passenger cars never darkened. However, as a head end > car the B60 may have been painted with the darker freight car color of the > post 1952 era. > > Rich ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 07:47:42 -0500 From: Park Varieties Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR X-23 I do not have a 1957 Equipment Register, but the 1954 Register I have shows 11 x-23's in interchange service at that time. I would doubt if any made it to 1957 but I could be wrong. I'm sure there were still some around in MofW service in 1957. Frank Brua CENTGA@aol.com wrote: > I friend of mine has a Overland X-23 the's trying to sell me. My question is > how many of these were still around in regular service in 1957? 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Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: [PRR] Easter Car Works B60 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 99 06:25:50 -0500 From: Jerry Anyone out there have the new Eastern Car Works B60? (It's the one they took over from Bethlehem Car Works, I beleive.) I am looking for the ECW part number for this kit. The ECW web site is not up to date and does not show this kit. I need to order some. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton jerry@dsop.com "Keystone Crossings" http://kc.pennsyrr.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! Web space available at http://www.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" has Union Station Products and Eastern Car Works on special during February. See http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:17:02 -0600 From: George Pierson Subject: [PRR] e-bau problems Hi, guys, At the risk of wasting band width, have any of you e-bayers had problems connecting to their site? As an almost confirmed e-bay addict, I've been denied my fix three days running with a message that a connection to the e-bay site cannot be established. Is it me, my computer/server or what?? -- George Pierson Dept. of Philosophy (george.pierson@trnty.edu) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "PRRSignals" Subject: [PRR] Gary and his color charts.... Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:45:41 -0500 ****Hahaha, ok Gary, ( u troublemaker u...!!??!!). I naturally defer instantly to the real equipment paint experts. With PRRSignals, we only need "Railway Non-Reflecting Black" and Silver, depending on era. Soon, we will do my email namesake field, and have a discussion about which color of yellow LED's best simulate the PRR position light signal lamp appearance !!!...........................hahahha, bill**** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "PRRSignals" Subject: [PRR] license plate for Randy Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:27:43 -0500 ***Hi, Randy- A bit more specific, but....PRR BF......as in the PRR loco class, baldwin frt....bill*-* ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 12:00:45 -0500 From: Park Varieties Subject: Re: [PRR] e-bau problems George, It is not you. I was denied access with the same message you got Saturday afternoon, Sunday afternoon/night and this morning until about 10am. My local ISP says it is an EBay problem. I don't know whether problem was nation-wide as someone bidding on one of my items last night indicated he had no problem getting into my item to place a bid and I could,'t even get in to see what was going on bid-wise. Situation has got to be nasty for sellers of high dollar items if a portion of the country can't get in to bid during those frantic last minutes. Frank Brua George Pierson wrote: > Hi, guys, > > At the risk of wasting band width, have any of you e-bayers had problems > connecting to their site? As an almost confirmed e-bay addict, I've > been denied my fix three days running with a message that a connection > to the e-bay site cannot be established. Is it me, my computer/server > or what?? > > -- > George Pierson > Dept. of Philosophy > (george.pierson@trnty.edu) > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. > Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "PRRSignals" Subject: [PRR] PRR Psgr colors ...book Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:50:41 -0500 ***I believe that Chuck Blardone's co-author was Peter T I L P... since some list members are touchy about 'name mangling'...bill*** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "PRRSignals" Subject: [PRR] U R correct....Ebay mess... Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:53:23 -0500 ***Hi, George- Several of us were affected by their problems. Yes, they admitted to some problems, I heard about a 36 hour shut-down or slow down, I missed a lot of neat stuff..!!!! BUT...I saved a few bux....hahahah, they may offer extensions to balance it out, as they have done in the past......bill*** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Robert Schoenberg" Subject: RE: [PRR] Pennsy freight trucks Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:30:50 -0500 I've been working on a truck reference for my web page. It's not done yet though. One thing I've been waiting for is a copy of the PRR truck diagram book. It has diagrams of all the truck classes. I have a lead on a copy but haven't gotten it yet... Stay tuned... Rob http://prr.railfan.net > -----Original Message----- > From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com]On Behalf Of > ironhorse@sprintmail.com > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 1:28 AM > To: FarbLand@aol.com > Cc: LINESWEST@aol.com; PRR-talk@dsop.com > Subject: Re: [PRR] Pennsy freight trucks > > > Greetings, > > I can't remember what the PRR classification for the N5 single spring > truck was, but I read somewhere it was made by Osgood Bradley--I think > the same O. G. that made trolleys. > > Chuck Friedlein > > FarbLand@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 2/27/99 12:29:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > LINESWEST@aol.com writes: > > > > << Is there a resource there describing and listing Pennsy > trucks, or has > > anybody put together a list of accurate Pennsy trucks. If > three isn't, I > > guess > > I'll have to start researching one. > > The answer that I need right know is what was the > classification of the > > single spring cast truck that Bowser makes for its N5 and N5C kits? >> > > > > I know various keystones I have have covered trucks and I seem > to remember an > > article or two on trucks a few years back when the Pennsy > Hopper series rain > > in MODEL RAILROADING. I know the articles in Model Railroading > were based on > > HO truck availability. I'll look through my Keystones to try to > find the info > > but it could take me awhile. Somebody on the list pprobably > knows this off the > > top of their head. > > Brian C > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" has Union Station Products > > and Eastern Car Works on special during February. > > See http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > > "listserv@dsop.com". 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Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "jbreon" Subject: Re: [PRR] Easter Car Works B60 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:13:11 -0500 Jerry, ECW kit No. 1010 PRR B-60 undecorated. Does not include decals, but does include plastic truck parts. $34.95 retail price. I believe Bethlehem Car Works still has the Middle Division decal sets available that were originally supplied with these kits. Jerry Breon -----Original Message----- From: Jerry To: PRR-Talk Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 8:46 AM Subject: [PRR] Easter Car Works B60 >Anyone out there have the new Eastern Car Works B60? (It's the one they >took over from Bethlehem Car Works, I beleive.) > >I am looking for the ECW part number for this kit. The ECW web site is >not up to date and does not show this kit. I need to order some. > >Thanks. > >----------------------------------------------- >Jerry Britton jerry@dsop.com >"Keystone Crossings" http://kc.pennsyrr.com/ > Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! >Web space available at http://www.pennsyrr.com >----------------------------------------------- > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" has Union Station Products >and Eastern Car Works on special during February. >See http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 12:44:30 -0600 From: Andy Cich Subject: [PRR] Chicago Lift Bridge In today's Chicago Sun Times, there is a good photo of the PRR lift bridge over the Chicago River near 20th street (Page 16). It says the bridge is 84 years old. (This is the bridge on the Fort Wayne line into Union Station.) I was pleasantly surprised to see this photo in the paper, and wanted to pass it on so anyone elso who can get their hands on the paper won't miss it. Andy C. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:26:39 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Pass. Tuscan '39-'45 The Blardone and Tulip book was published by the PRRT&HS. I do not know if it is still available. The special publication on painting steam locomotives published by the PRRT&HS is definitely out of print. Articles have appeared in past issues of the Keystone. Drift cards are available from the PRRT&HS for some of the post 1952 colors. Rich Orr ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:16:40 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Paint Colors? In a message dated 3/1/99 1:26:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, mittner@webtv.net writes: << Well Bill, here goes another question out to this list on my favorite subject, what color was this and what color was that. First question. What color did the Pennsy paint the old round number plates that the early K4's had applied to their boiler fronts? Were they painted with a DGLE or T-Red. >> Neither. The round number plates were painted black with gold lettering. There is some question if the raised area of the plates were painted or polished brass surfaces. Rich Orr ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: DZJN21A@prodigy.com (MR CHARLES J CHANDLER II) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:47:44, -0500 Subject: [PRR] PRR Sanding Tower Details Hi all, Can anybody help me out with some details on the tops of the sanding towers such as those found in Enola. I've used the photos found in W. Volkmer's "Pennsy Electric Years" to construct an HO model of one, but can't complete the top details. Was the top cover flat, curved or what? Also, was the top cover one long piece or two separate pieces over each bin? Was this style of sanding tower unique to Enola or could it be found in other places on the Pennsy? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, Charlie C. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 18:51:52 -0500 From: Dan Cupper Subject: Re: [PRR] eBay problems Greetings to George and the List: There was an eBay interruption over the weekend that shut things down while I was preparing to bid on a Washington Union Station item. The company's database server failed (their explanation) and it was out of service for maybe 2-4 hours. When it came back up, I noticed that they'd extended affected auctions by 24 hours. That made a difference, because I was then able to bid (successfully, it turned out). Dan Dan Cupper dan@cwix.com Acts 4:12 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 17:59:36 -0500 From: Stephen Bartlett Subject: Re: [PRR] Special License Plates The first thing that pops into my "mind" is SPF-1 :-) Steve Bartlett Randy.Williamson@marathon-eap.com wrote: > > I have a question for the group here. I am purchasing a new van this week > and am thinking about getting some special license plates (By the Way I > live in Wisconsin) and was wondering if the group would have any ideas for > me. ............ Any other ideas would be appreciative in > listing the standard railroad of the world and one of the many diesel > classes of the Pennsy. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. 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Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:51:46 -0500 (EST) From: bubbles@visi.net Subject: [PRR] Dads last run Hi Guys.... I went to dads funeral today...I gonna post some info for any of you all who might be interested....And yes...there were many Railroaders there...even some Virginia Railway Express guys too. Some wanted to go but could'nt make it. I found out that dad knew a lot of folks (some of which might have owed him favors?) anyway....here is what i found out about his last run... He will be put on Train No.98 in Washington which is due out at 6:10 am. tomorrow. 98 is supposed to arrive in New York at 10:15. Then he will be switched to Train No. 291 which leaves Penn Sta. New York at 2:45 and arrives in Albany at 6:15 PM. Hes brother in law(Keith Olmstead) will be the rider for him. As i was saying....he might have been owed favors and such.... From what i have been told....No. 98 does'nt usually have a baggage car. Because he is being moved by rail...Amtrak has agreed to provide a car for these two trains for him free of charge. I'm in the process of finding out what the car number is. This might be something that is nice of Amtrak to do...and then again...there might be more to the story than i know at this time....My step mom and her sister told me that they were visited by some Amtrak higher ups the other day at home...I was'nt given the details of what was said...but its all rather strange..They got the impression that these guys were trying to butter them up for some reason. Now i know that dad knew some of the higher ups well...but for the past 5-10 years or so i also know he was'nt happy with the way things were done or run and some of them knew this. Now don't get me wrong...dad loved the railroad...PC days and all...its just the way Amtrak had/has gotten that he could'nt take anymore. So like i said...there might be more to this than i know right now. I felt you all might want to know. Til Later Hank Mummert ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Robert Schoenberg" Subject: RE: [PRR] Easter Car Works B60 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:39:03 -0500 I asked Mr BCW about B60 decals at the Springfield train show and they said they were out of them. The decals were made by the Middle Division, maybe they're still making them. Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com]On Behalf Of jbreon > Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 1:13 PM > To: Jerry; PRR-Talk > Subject: Re: [PRR] Easter Car Works B60 > > > Jerry, > ECW kit No. 1010 PRR B-60 undecorated. Does not include decals, but > does include plastic truck parts. $34.95 retail price. I believe Bethlehem > Car Works still has the Middle Division decal sets available that were > originally supplied with these kits. > Jerry Breon > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry > To: PRR-Talk > Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 8:46 AM > Subject: [PRR] Easter Car Works B60 > > > >Anyone out there have the new Eastern Car Works B60? (It's the one they > >took over from Bethlehem Car Works, I beleive.) > > > >I am looking for the ECW part number for this kit. The ECW web site is > >not up to date and does not show this kit. I need to order some. > > > >Thanks. > > > >----------------------------------------------- > >Jerry Britton jerry@dsop.com > >"Keystone Crossings" http://kc.pennsyrr.com/ > > Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! > >Web space available at http://www.pennsyrr.com > >----------------------------------------------- > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: "Merchandise Service" has Union Station Products > >and Eastern Car Works on special during February. > >See http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > >"listserv@dsop.com". 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Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 19:49:11 -0800 From: Roger Elliott Subject: [PRR] Gloor Craft N5b caboose in N-scale Hi all, I tried to get a photo of the N5b Caboose but the file is trashed or some such thing on the KC site. So can anyone tell how it compares to the N6? I have the Bowser model in HO as a reference for that one. I also tried to locate the caboose on Walthers' web site but was unsucessful... Any inputs would be helpful. Cheers, Roger Elliott ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (doloris mittner) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:39:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: [PRR] Easter Car Works B60 Rob and list, Good luck trying to get in touch with the Middle Division Decal Co. They have never answered any requests from myself or oher people that I know who needs their decals. The only place to get them seems to be at the PRRT&HS convetions at their dealer table. I have built three of BCW B-60s and those decals they supplied are the best in the business. To bad they are not accessible. Anyone else have that problem also? Gary ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:08:41 EST Subject: [PRR] Greenville OH In a message dated 1/19/99 7:22:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, eaneubauer@enter.net writes: > >Are there any railcar builders in Greenville, OH? Or am I thinking of > >Greenville, PA or somewhere else? > > > I would guess you are thinking of Greenville PA. This used to be Greenville > Steel Car and was taken over by Trinity Industries in the mid-1980s. The > plant is stll active and usually is turning out hoppers, covered hoppers or > box cars. Eric > Tim (and Eric), It would surprise me if railcars or interurbans were ever built in Greenville OH. This small city northwest of Dayton was served by 3 railroads: - PRR/Panhandle (MP 94.5 from Columbus OH) - NYC/Cincinnati Northern - B&O/Dayton & Union but wasn't a terminal or even significant yard on any of them. I believe nearest (historic) carbuilding to Greenville OH would be at Dayton (Barney & Smith) or Columbus OH (PRR St Clair Avenue Shops + Ralston Steel Car Co.). Nearest loco building - Lima Locomotive Works, Inc., Lima, OH. BTW, for those of you that don't speak Buckeye, Lima is pronounced "Lye-ma", with a long "i". The Spanish pronunciation ("Lee-ma") refers to the South American city in Peru. Cheer up, Ohio is full of places with unique local pronunciations. Rick Tipton formerly of near Xenia ("Zee-nya") OH on the PRR main, Pittsburgh to St Louis. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:08:36 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR X-23 In a message dated 3/1/99 9:06:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, parkvarieties@provide.net writes: > I do not have a 1957 Equipment Register, but the 1954 Register I have shows > 11 x-23's in interchange service at that time. I would doubt if any made it > to > 1957 but I could be wrong. I'm sure there were still some around in MofW > service in 1957. > I believe I photographed some X23's still in MoW service circa 1970 at Columbus OH. Is this possible? If so, these particular cars had been painted MoW yellow. Rick Tipton ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:52:50 -0800 Subject: Re: [PRR] N-scale Cabin car modelers From: "Doug and Marianne" I occasionally see the Gloorcraft N scale N6b kits in stores. I don't know if they are still made but call around, you should be able to find it. Good Luck. ---------- >From: Roger Elliott >To: LINESWEST@aol.com >Cc: PRR-Talk@dsop.com >Subject: Re: [PRR] N-scale Cabin car modelers >Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999, 4:43 PM > >Hello Tom and all, > >I'm into N-scale myself but I didn't know there was a PRR N6 caboose out >there. I've been waiting for Dick Billing's kit from Fine-N-scale. Do >you have the kit? Can you still get it? I don't see it in the Walthers >catalogue.... > >Thanks, >Roger "Need a fleet of PRR cabooses.." 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Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: OnTrackHby@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 00:01:42 EST Subject: [PRR] [FA] on ebay - Gem Pennsylvania RR E-6s 4-4-2 I have the following on ebay for auction... Olympia Models #GN-118, a Pennsylvania RR E-6s 4-4-2 locomotive. Loco is in original brass (unpainted) condition. Wheels show no signs of wear, appears to have been test run only. Locomotive is in original box as imported by Gem Models, along with original Certificate from Olympia. A beautiful model! No reserve. Shipping and Handling is $6.00, paid by buyer. Personal checks will require 7 business day clearing period. All other forms of payment shipped within 48 hours. NJ residents must add 6% sales tax. To view this item and place a bid, refer to item #71799260. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=71799260 Thanks... Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:38:25 -0600 From: rboydrrs@inlink.com (Robert A. Boyd) Subject: [PRR] eBay problems >Hi, guys, > >At the risk of wasting band width, have any of you e-bayers had problems >connecting to their site? As an almost confirmed e-bay addict, I've >been denied my fix three days running with a message that a connection >to the e-bay site cannot be established. Is it me, my computer/server >or what?? > >-- >George Pierson ===== As a matter of fact, George, I have had no end of problems lately. (Thought it was my modem or perhaps a software screwup.) Getting pages to load can take forever, as each step seems to be a unique problem, plus I frequently get failed connection messages. Jerry, you're the expert on confusers here. Can you give us any insight? Bob Robert A. Boyd ======== Those Classic Trains "Beginning A Century-long Tradition Of Fine Modelmaking" "The Limited" On Line - The Golden Age Of Railroad Passenger Service http://www.thoseclassictrains.com ======== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:54:08 -0600 Subject: Re: [PRR] N-scale Cabin car modelers From: locoshop@juno.com Hello all, Speaking of Cabin cars, is there not someone working on a N scale kit for a N5 or N5c caboose? And does anyone know how far along this project is and projected release date? Thanks for the help. Jeremy Helms Omaha, Nebraska locoshop@juno.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Alan Buchan" Subject: [PRR] NS/CSX Implementation Update, 2/26/1999 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:18:49 -0500 Increasing traffic on former PRR lines, etc. -----Original Message----- From: NSINFO@nscorp.com To: DPVT86A@prodigy.com Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 4:08 PM Subject: Implementation Update, 2/26/1999 >Implementation Update >(Available on the World Wide Web at >http://www.nscorp.com/nscorp/html/update/) > >February 26, 1999 >95 Days Until Closing Date June 1, 1999 > >Notable > Norfolk Southern is posting signs advising motorists of impending >train traffic increases expected at 1,600 public highway-rail grade >crossings as a result of the Conrail transaction. > The signs are being placed along rail line segments where traffic >is projected to grow by eight or more trains daily or by a 100 percent >increase in gross ton miles annually. The NS lines are located on the >Lake, Illinois, Dearborn, Harrisburg, Pittsburgh and Virginia divisions >and include portions of nine states - Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, >Michigan, Ohio, New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia and West Virginia. The >signs display an advisory crossing safety message and will remain >posted for six months after the June 1 closing in conformance with STB >conditions connected to its approval of the transaction. > In addition to posting the signs, NS and CSX will make the >Operation Lifesaver highway-rail grade crossing safety program >available to all communities, schools and other organizations located >on the line segments where traffic will increase. Since 1997, NS and >Conrail already have made more than 1,550 Operation Lifesaver >presentations to communities along the affected lines. > > Norfolk Southern reached an agreement last week with the Public >Utilities Commission of Ohio (PUCO), the Ohio Rail Development >Commission (ORDC) and other public officials to install flashing lights >and gates at 81 public highway-rail grade crossings covering four rail >corridors in 11 Ohio counties. > The agreement stems from the STB's Environmental Impact Statement >on the Conrail transaction, which concluded that redistribution and >increase in rail traffic would require upgraded warning signals at nine >highway-rail crossings in Ohio. Negotiated agreements with the Ohio >communities of Cleveland, Lakewood, Bay Village, Rocky River, Bellevue >and Freemont also identified crossings needing additional enhancements. >NS filed the agreement with the STB. > The total cost of the projects is estimated at $8.2 million, with >more than 70 percent coming from federal and state resources. PUCO and >ORDC officials selected the crossings based on established state >procedures and the STB findings. The projects are scheduled for >completion in August 2000. > "We are very pleased to participate in this important public- >private partnership, particularly one focused on a matter we take so >seriously - public safety," said Bruno Maestri, NS assistant vice >president Public Affairs. "Ohio officials deserve a lot of the credit >for putting together the funding vehicles that made the scope of this >project possible. We plan to continue to work with Ohio to pursue >additional safety projects, including crossing closures, as we move >closer to the Closing Date of the Conrail transaction." > > Construction of a proposed intermodal facility at Austell, Ga., >near Atlanta is key to handling expected growth in intermodal traffic >following the Conrail transaction, says Larry E. Wetsel, assistant vice >president - Staff, Intermodal, Norfolk. > Wetsel, who has been involved with the Austell project from its >beginning stages, noted that Atlanta has been the most active >intermodal facility on NS for some time. The Conrail transaction opens >up new opportunities for intermodal traffic growth. > The city of Austell, about 20 miles west of Atlanta, and the U.S. >Army Corps of Engineers have approved construction of a 450-acre >intermodal facility, and Norfolk Southern is proceeding with plans to >build it, but Cobb County is opposing the plan. > Planning for the facility began when the property was acquired in >1993 with the intent of augmenting Inman Yard in Atlanta, which has >reached capacity and now requires six satellite yards to meet demand. >The plan for Austell already included substantial interline traffic >with Conrail over the Hagerstown, Md., gateway, but the transaction is >expected to result in an additional 25,000 units annually for Austell >over the original plan, Wetsel said. > In an address earlier this month to the Atlanta Rotary Club, >David Goode, NS chairman, president and chief executive officer, noted >that Atlanta is "the transportation hub of the Southeast," and he cited >the benefits to the Atlanta area of the Austell facility as "less >traffic, improved air quality and better service for Atlanta businesses >and people." > > NS and Conrail information systems are undergoing several types >of testing related to the integration. > In system testing, groups of applications are tested together to >ensure data is passed properly from one system to another. "We had >never had an environment where we could test our three core mainframe >applications together until we began preparing for the Conrail >implementation," said Cindy Earhart, assistant vice president >Information Systems Planning and Development. >During the transportation system testing, Conrail waybill information >is processed through the NS transportation system much like it would be >on Day One. By doing this, any problems with passing and storing data >can be spotted and corrected before Day One. > In business area testing, automatic rating of waybills is tested >using Conrail rates and routes that have been converted to NS rates and >routes. "Our goal is to automatically rate as many waybills as >possible," Earhart said. > Integration testing is another way to assess readiness for >closing. It involves testing transactions from beginning to end, >through all systems, verifying results at each step. In some cases, >this involves both NS and Conrail systems. IT and the business area >have initiated integration testing in transportation, revenue, and >payroll. "We are testing the functionality of all mission-critical >systems," Earhart said. > >Quotable > "The division of Conrail is a good metaphor for this business. >Here you have a transaction that is based upon the belief that there is >growth for the freight transportation system. And the only way we'll >grow is to improve our service levels." - David R. Goode, NS chairman, >president and chief executive officer, in Progressive Railroading, >February 1999 > >Conrail Heritage > Last December, to celebrate Pennsylvania's rich railroad >heritage, the state unveiled a special license plate featuring Grif >Teller's famous 1928 painting "When the Broad Way Meets the Dawn." The >painting depicts the Pennsylvania Railroad's Broadway Limited passenger >train on its Chicago-New York run as the first light of day breaks >along the Juniata River in central Pennsylvania. > In a ceremony at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania in >Strasburg, state Transportation Secretary Brad Mallory said, "Railroads >are synonymous with Pennsylvania. They have a rich heritage leading the >growth and development of this Commonwealth. Railroads, however, are >not simply a thing of the past. They continue to play a vital role in >Pennsylvania's transportation infrastructure and economic health." > In closing, Mallory added, "As we today unveil the new 'Preserve >Our Heritage' license plate, let us not only reminisce about the glory >days of steam and coal, but let us also look toward the exciting era >for Pennsylvania railways on the horizon." > A portion of the proceeds from the sale will underwrite >educational and exhibit programs sponsored by the Pennsylvania >Historical and Museum Commission. The plates cost $35 and are available >for use only on cars licensed in Pennsylvania. > >Norfolk Southern Heritage > In September 1933, employees at NS predecessor Norfolk and >Western Railway won a unique contest for a third consecutive year-a >wheel rolling challenge. > Employees of the Roanoke Shops were hosts to their challengers, >employees of the Pennsylvania Railroad, a Conrail predecessor. Some >1,500 people attended the event at the Roanoke city auditorium, where >they watched breathlessly as contest participants used scientific and >physical skill to maneuver 800-pound railroad wheels through a variety >of obstacles. > N&W Magazine reported that participants "rolled it around like a >hoop, flopped it over flange for flange, spun it around like a top, >guided it through rows of candles, made it stand alone, kicked it, put >flags on it and rode on top of it." > Speeches by local officials and songs by bands and quartets >preceded the wheel festivities. Judging was provided by a gang foreman, >machinist and helper from N&W's Roanoke Shops, and a sheet metal >worker, machinist and tool room attendant from PRR's shops in Columbus, >Ohio. > > >------------------ >Norfolk Southern Corporation >http://www.nscorp.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark Bej Subject: Re: [PRR] NS/CSX Implementation Update, 2/26/1999 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:03:13 -0500 (EST) > >Notable > > Norfolk Southern is posting signs advising motorists of impending > >train traffic increases expected at 1,600 public highway-rail grade > >crossings as a result of the Conrail transaction. > > The signs are being placed along rail line segments where traffic > >is projected to grow by eight or more trains daily or by a 100 percent > >increase in gross ton miles annually. The NS lines are located on the I love it. Ton-miles seems a funny criterion to use. Most of the general public probably has no idea what a ton-mile is. Granted, it may be the only measure easily available. But seems to me that duration of crossing blockage would be a more useful number. This would be a dependent variable, of course, determined largely by train number, train length, and train speed. Ton miles and train length are related, of course, and possibly even very closely related (?linearly) if the type of goods carried is the same. Train speed is tougher to predict, however, being determined by number of tracks, length of passing sidings, etc etc etc etc. -- Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:09:49 EST Subject: [PRR] Speaking Buckeye in Panhandle Country In a message dated 3/2/99 12:53:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, LINESWEST writes: > and don't forget Versailles -- Ver-sales; Russia--Rooshie or Chauncey-- > chancey > > Tom V. Tom, The list of local usage goes on and on - add Bellefountaine -- Bell-fown'-tan Beavercreek -- Bee'-vur-krik Scioto -- Sigh-oh'-tah Yellow Springs -- Yella Springs' Ohio -- O-high'-ah Cincinnati -- often pronounced Zin-zin-na'-tee by those of us of German extraction Washington Court House -- always War'-shing-ton Oxford (site of Miami University of Ohio) -- Ox'-furd Sabina -- Sah-bye-nah Dutoit Street -- Dew-toyt Street Cadiz -- Kah'-diss, not Kuh-dizz' (the town in Spain) or Kay'-dizz (the town in western Kentucky) Route 35 -- Rowt 35 (not Root 35) besides all the railroaders referring to PRR rolling stock as "Panhandle cars". Rick Tipton ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 12:30:45 -0500 From: Livingston Subject: [PRR] Pennsy caboose trucks Hello everyone, In reference to the below, let it be known that Ian Fischer's PRR COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT Volume 2 (Morning Sun, 1996) says the short wheelbase, cast side frame caboose truck with the single coil spring (actually two coils nested one inside the other) was designated 2A-F5. The later version was called 2A-F4 and had elliptical leaf springs, and was introduced in the 1950's. That's what the book says. -- Robert Livingston > > From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com]On Behalf Of > > ironhorse@sprintmail.com > > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 1:28 AM > > To: FarbLand@aol.com > > Cc: LINESWEST@aol.com; PRR-talk@dsop.com > > Subject: Re: [PRR] Pennsy freight trucks > > > > Greetings, > > > > I can't remember what the PRR classification for the N5 single spring > > truck was, but I read somewhere it was made by Osgood Bradley--I think > > the same O. G. that made trolleys. > > > > Chuck Friedlein > > > > FarbLand@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 2/27/99 12:29:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > LINESWEST@aol.com writes: > > > > > > << Is there a resource there describing and listing Pennsy > > trucks, or has > > > anybody put together a list of accurate Pennsy trucks. If > > three isn't, I > > > guess > > > I'll have to start researching one. > > > The answer that I need right know is what was the > > classification of the > > > single spring cast truck that Bowser makes for its N5 and N5C kits? >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Dennis @ D & S Hobbies" Subject: [PRR] Limited Quantity Middle Division decals Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:30:30 -0500 We have a limited supply of Middle Division HO decals. Please refer to the Middle Division listing on our web site. We also have Champ HO PRR passenger car decals in stock. Refer to the Champ HO Pass Car listing. All items listed are in stock for immediate shipping. $6.50 per order for shipping. Dennis mailto:dennis@onerrave.com D & S HOBBIES http://www.onerrave.com 34 Main Street South Bound Brook, NJ 08880 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:09:47 EST Subject: [PRR] Lines West Cabin Cars - Mae West In a message dated 3/2/99 12:53:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, LINESWEST writes: > In a message dated 3/2/99 12:15:16 AM SA Pacific Standard Time, RickTipton@ > aol.com writes: > > << Columbus OH (PRR St. Clair Avenue Shops + Ralston Steel Car >> > > Rick, Do you know if the Panhandle's N6As and N6Bs were erected in the St. > Clair Ave. workshops. It seems like I read somewhere that no all-steel cabins > were built there. > Tom, The following is my thinking. 1. Obviously, all the N5's were built by PRR on Lines East, probably at Altoona Car Shop. 2. We both know that all the N6's were really extensive REBUILDS to put steel underframes under a pre-existing wood carbody, and that all these bodies were stretched at one or both ends in the process, creating end cupolas or center cupolas. As far as we know, every N6a or N6b originally built used the superstructure of a previous PRR standard wood cabin (e.g. N4, NC, NE). 3. Since Columbus is not on the "Panhandle Division" of the Panhandle, it's possible only Dennison OH turned out the original fleet of N6B's with their narrow, slanted side, rounded roof cupolas to squeak through the Panhandle's "subway" (10 old tunnels between Pittsburgh and Dennison). But we'll probably find out Columbus/St Clair Avenue was involved in the later conversion of nearly all N6A's to N6B's. Incidentally, the Green Frog PRR tape narration, among other sources, referring to the "Mae West" cupola or cabin car. Green Frog then shows an N6b caboose. Can we nail down from some reliable Lines West sources what a "Mae West" really was? Of course, Mae West was an early movie star with impressive upper works. You can see W.C.Fields leering at them in "My Little Chickadee". I've always assumed a Mae West cabin referred to the N6a, with its large cupola actually a little wider than the rest of the carbody and a full-width, much flatter cupola roof. Rick Tipton ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 12:48:29 -0800 Subject: Re: [PRR] N-scale Cabin car modelers From: "Doug and Marianne" Fine N has been planning to produce an N scale N5c kit and is apparently still in the works. Its been delayed by other projects such as the Burlington Zephyr kit and their recent move to Washington State. According to N Scale magazine, it will likely be out this year. >Speaking of Cabin cars, is there not someone working on a N scale kit for >a N5 or N5c caboose? And does anyone know how far along this project is >and projected release date? Thanks for the help. > >Jeremy Helms >Omaha, Nebraska >locoshop@juno.com > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. >Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: AlbertSR@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:44:48 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Paint Colors? In a message dated 3/1/99 12:26:06 AM Central Standard Time, mittner@webtv.net writes: << What color did the Pennsy paint the old round number plates that the early K4's had applied to their boiler fronts? Were they painted with a DGLE or T-Red. >> Gary & All I believe the round number plates had a Toludine Red (Spelling) background. Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: LINESWEST@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:05:24 EST Subject: [PRR] Re: Lines West Cabin Cars - Mae West In a message dated 3/2/99 11:09:47 AM SA Pacific Standard Time, RickTipton writes: << 1. Obviously, all the N5's were built by PRR on Lines East, probably at Altoona Car Shop.>> No argument. 2. We both know that all the N6's were really extensive REBUILDS to put steel underframes under a pre-existing wood carbody, and that all these bodies were stretched at one or both ends in the process, creating end cupolas or center cupolas. As far as we know, every N6a or N6b originally built used the superstructure of a previous PRR standard wood cabin (e.g. N4, NC, NE). But I made an error in my last post. I should have read that only all-wood cabins were erected on St. Clair Ave. meaning that no cabins were built there after the end of the NE/NEa program that began in 1903 OR that salvaging the wood cabin car bodies and placing them onto new 24' 10" underframes wasn't considered new construction. BTW, only bodies of the NB, NC, NE and NEa were rebuilt. The ND, N4 and NDa all had steel underframes and thus weren't affected by Ohio's 1913 caboose safety .law. << 3. Since Columbus is not on the "Panhandle Division" of the Panhandle,>> Again, no argument. However, I'm using the historical usage of Panhandle for all references to the PCC&StL. IF I'm talking about the Panhandle Division, I say Panhandle Division. Uh, Rick, it's athwart the Newark & Columbus and Columbus divisions. The Panhandle ends in Newark My Columbus Div. ETTs place the division post between the N&C and Columbus Division 0.1 mile west of Columbus Unions Station beneath the High Street overpass >. It's possible only Dennison, OH turned out the original fleet of N6B's with their narrow, slanted side, rounded roof cupolas to squeak through the Panhandle's "subway" (10 old tunnels between Pittsburgh and Dennison). But we'll probably find out Columbus/St Clair Avenue was involved in the later conversion of nearly all N6A's to N6B's.>> Both are likely, Another possible location is the old Columbus, Chicago & Indiana Central Shops at Logansport. I've never heard of any fabrication t Xenia or Bradford.. The Pennsylvania Company's entire N6A was built at the PFW&C shops in Fort Wayne along with post-consolidation construction after April 1920. New car shops were opened at Fort Wayne in 1916. << Incidentally, the Green Frog PRR tape narration, among other sources, referring to the "Mae West" cupola or cabin car. Green Frog then shows an N6b caboose. Can we nail down from some reliable Lines West sources what a "Mae West" really was? << Of course, Mae West was an early movie star with impressive upper works. You can see W.C.Fields leering at them in "My Little Chickadee." I've always assumed a Mae West cabin referred to the N6a, with its large cupola actually a little wider than the rest of the carbody and a full-width, much flatter cupola roof. Rick Tipton >> I think you're on the mark about Mae West. The slang term for the Kapok life vest used by the USN in World War II had the same root, I think I need to talk to Ian Fischer. In the PRR color guide Vol. II he describes one N6b as Constructed new with a centered Panhandle cupola, which I think is the best term for the design, and then says another N6B with centered cupola was rebuilt from an N6a. I'd like to know how he knows the difference. For me it's like sexing baby chicks. Tom V. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: LINESWEST@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:20:41 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Pennsy caboose truc <> Speaking of Ian Fischer, does anyone know how to contact him. I'd like to ask him some questions about the N6 class. Tom V. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: VVA249@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:52:01 EST Subject: [PRR] SOMEBODY IS making a SCALE Baldwin Centipede Mike's Train House has announced a SCALE Baldwin centipede - in 3 Rail "O" scale. The Double "A" units have 4 motors, smoke and sound and are 46" overall length. They need O-72 radius - No word as to cost yet If you'd like to buy something for your kids - the new catalog offers a "Railking" O-27 (smaller than 1/4" scale) PRR H-10 Set with PRR marked tank car, box car, gondola, hopper and N-6 Caboose, cirle of track and a small transformer Dick Ross Clewveland ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:41:45 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR X-23 In a message dated 3/2/99 5:04:34 PM Central Standard Time, Ljgurke@aol.com writes: << On page 68, the PRR Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Car Equipment shows an RB23 ice car at Exchange place, Jersey City, in November 1960. Car is grey with "Assigned to Jersey City Ice Car". The RB23 (according to the caption) is a modified X23 boxcar. >> I could be wrong, but I think this has already been categorized by people on this list as an ex-ATSF reefer. Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Ljgurke@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:23:09 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR X-23 On page 68, the PRR Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Car Equipment shows an RB23 ice car at Exchange place, Jersey City, in November 1960. Car is grey with "Assigned to Jersey City Ice Car". The RB23 (according to the caption) is a modified X23 boxcar. Regards, Mike Hagan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: AJSNGS@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:17:16 EST Subject: [PRR] Railroad Items for Sale I have the following items for sale on Ebay: PRR Postcard of Irwin, Pa. Station 71910434 Cumberland Valley/ Norfolkk and Western Postcard of Hagerstwon, Md. 71913739 Western Maryland Railway Enameled Pin 71916197 Milwaukee Road Hiawatha (steam) Matchbook 71927177 PRR Raised Keystone Spoon 71928482 All auctions close on 3-6-99. Thanks for looking. Always interested in buying Pennsylvania Railroad items Andrew Sentipal ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:17:45 -0500 (EST) From: Derrick J Brashear Subject: Re: [PRR] SOMEBODY IS making a SCALE Baldwin Centipede On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 VVA249@aol.com wrote: > Mike's Train House has announced a SCALE Baldwin centipede - in 3 Rail "O" > scale. The Double "A" units have 4 motors, smoke and sound and are 46" overall > length. They need O-72 radius - No word as to cost yet Too bad it's the wrong scale;-) I suppose it needs the smoke to make it a prototypical Baldwin.... At some point I saw an article which referred to the problems they had using the Centipedes as pushers because apparently for an extended period on the sharp turns ascending from Altoona the ventilation hole in the carbody did not align with that in the trucks, meaning they kept burning out traction motors, at least if I recall the story. Does this sound familiar to anyone? anyone else seen it? -D ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: [PRR] N-scale Cabin car modelers Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 17:00:10 -0500 From: Dennis Rockwell On 28 Feb, Roger Elliott wrote: > I'm into N-scale myself but I didn't know there was a PRR N6 caboose out > there. I've been waiting for Dick Billing's kit from Fine-N-scale. Do > you have the kit? Can you still get it? I don't see it in the Walthers > catalogue.... At the risk of repeating others, Gloor Craft made a fresh run of the N6 car sometime last year, or maybe earlier; a toddler messes up your memory something awful. At least, they were readily available last year. I bought one and should've bought the other he had before the local shop that gets all my money got burned out. But he has reopened! In any case, the Gloor Craft model was distributed by Walthers, and their online catalog shows it as in stock. And as of my last information, the Fine N Scale N5c is "imminent". Yes, we've been waiting for several years, but his past performance (X29, X31, X32, etc) definitely makes it worth the wait! Dennis Rockwell SPF(N) dennis@bbn.com Cambridge MA _______ _______ _______ _______ _______ _______ ####(|oo=oo||_______||_______||_______||_______||_______||_______)##### I love the smell of brakeshoes in the morning! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 18:10:01 -0800 From: Roger Elliott Subject: Re: [PRR] N-scale Cabin car modelers Hi Dennis, Thanks for info on the Gloor Craft N6b caboose. I was thinking it was an N5b like my Bowser but for that, I have to wait for Dick Billings..... By the way, anybody know how I can contact him? I happen to have the Fine-N-Scale Burlington Pioneer Zephyr and it is a really cool model. I love watching it go around my little 4x6 layout. I've also got a few of his X-31 cars and know the X-29's which I have yet to build...... Cheers, Roger Elliott ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Greg Stone" Subject: [PRR] O scale Centipede Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:35:09 -0800 For all you O scalers, I E-mailed Mikes Train House and they inform me that they will offer the baldwin centipedes in 2 rail as well as 3 rail as long as they get enough orders. That usually means they need one hundred orders in 2 rail. So if you think you may want one set of AAs order now. If you don't order they won't reach the 100 mark and they won't be offered in 2 rail. A set cost $699.00 list. You might be able to get a few bucks off from some dealers. On the other hand the G5 will not be offered in 2 rail. Greg ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:35:01 -0800 From: ironhorse@sprintmail.com Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR X-23 Bob, You're correct; it is an ex-ATSF car--actually an Rr-23. It seems to be the only one that Pennsy acquired, as no one else can find anything that could lead one to believe there were more of them. Chuck Friedlein Bobspf@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/2/99 5:04:34 PM Central Standard Time, Ljgurke@aol.com > writes: > > << On page 68, the PRR Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Car Equipment > shows > an RB23 ice car at Exchange place, Jersey City, in November 1960. Car is > grey > with "Assigned to Jersey City Ice Car". The RB23 (according to the caption) > is a modified X23 boxcar. >> > > I could be wrong, but I think this has already been categorized by people on > this list as an ex-ATSF reefer. > > Bob Zoeller > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. > Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: [PRR] N-scale Cabin car modelers Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 23:52:38 -0500 From: Dennis Rockwell On 2 Mar, Roger Elliott wrote: > Thanks for info on the Gloor Craft N6b caboose. I was thinking it was > an N5b like my Bowser but for that, I have to wait for Dick > Billings..... By the way, anybody know how I can contact him? The phone number on the instruction sheets is probably bad now, since somebody mentioned a move to Oregon, which was news to me. I will look at the sheets from recent purchases when it won't wake the rest of the family. > I happen to have the Fine-N-Scale Burlington Pioneer Zephyr and it is a > really cool model. I love watching it go around my little 4x6 layout. Hear, hear! > I've also got a few of his X-31 cars and know the X-29's which I have > yet to build...... They're all really fine cars! It was the X-31s that got me into airbrushing. Airbrushing PRR models is really easy! I have painted up five X29s so far, one in each paint scheme that was on the rails on my modelling date, September 1954. Even brush-painting the ladders over the Merchandise Service stripe wasn't as hard as I expected. Dennis Rockwell SPF(N) dennis@bbn.com Cambridge MA _______ _______ _______ _______ _______ _______ ####(|oo=oo||_______||_______||_______||_______||_______||_______)##### I love the smell of brakeshoes in the morning! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:10:23 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR X-23 In a message dated 3/2/99 6:04:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ljgurke@aol.com writes: > On page 68, the PRR Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Car Equipment shows > an RB23 ice car at Exchange place, Jersey City, in November 1960. Car is > grey > with "Assigned to Jersey City Ice Car". The RB23 (according to the caption) > is a modified X23 boxcar. > Mike: This is an error in the caption. The car is an ex-ATSF reefer. ATSF class RR23. It is not a modified X23 boxcar. Rich Orr ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: [PRR] N-scale Cabin car modelers Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:38:26 -0500 From: Dennis Rockwell On 2 Mar, Dennis Rockwell wrote: > On 2 Mar, Roger Elliott wrote: > > > Thanks for info on the Gloor Craft N6b caboose. I was thinking it was > > an N5b like my Bowser but for that, I have to wait for Dick > > Billings..... By the way, anybody know how I can contact him? > > The phone number on the instruction sheets is probably bad > now, since somebody mentioned a move to Oregon, which was > news to me. I will look at the sheets from recent > purchases when it won't wake the rest of the family. The instruction sheet in last month's purchase still shows the San Pedro address, but Randy Gordon-Gilmore (he did the design of the Zephyr model) tells me: > Dick moved to Washington State in December. His new info is > > Fine N-Scale Products > 4202 Blue Heron Circle > Anacortes, WA 98221-3672 > > (360)299-4527 ph > (360)588-0247 fax Good luck! Dennis ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (doloris mittner) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:05:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [PRR] PRR LOCO PRR List, I am not much of a diesel modeler or much of a historian so I ask this question to those familar with this subject. The Pennsy owned 15 or so RSD 12's Class AS18am. Did any of those locos have the antenna attached to its roof. I am unable to find photo proof of this but I am guessing they did. I do no have any of the Diesel Years books to look through. Can someone please send me a JPEG pic if they can come up with one. I have a Overland Models PRR RSD 12 here from one of my customers. He wants me to install antenna even if they didn't recieve them. Any help out there? Gary ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: [PRR] American Steel List is Born! Date: Wed, 3 Mar 99 14:46:26 -0500 From: Jerry On 3/3/99 1:32 PM, Kevin Tully (t1duplex@hotmail.com) wrote: >For those who are intersted, here is the new American Steel Mailing >List. The list is intended to support the steel mill modeler, and allow >those interested to promote this interesting section of our hobby, and >provide a place for information to be exchanged. > >Remember: TELL A FRIEND!!!!!!! > > >To subsribe, send an email to: americansteel-request@knoxfirst.com > >Put SUBSCRIBE in the message body > >To unsubscrib, put UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. Gee, wasn't another steel industry list announced just last week...via ONELIST.COM??? Seems a bit redundant to me. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@dsop.com Member, PRRT&HS Modeling Harrisburg, Pa., in HO scale, circa 1954. Visit "Keystone Crossings" at http://kc.pennsyrr.com Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! WWW.PENNSYRR.COM - See what's new in PRR all over the net! 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From: "Alan Buchan" Subject: [PRR] FW: CRTS Update #02-41 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:40:00 -0500 FYI PRR will ride again! Al ------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Joseph.Jack@conrail.com [mailto:Joseph.Jack@conrail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 1:52 PM Subject: Re: CRTS Update #02-41 AMoungst other things today.....I heard from one of the enginehouse boys (and KLINK) that they now have in stock the necessary "New ####'s) for the NS/ CR renumbering.... They are evidentally for whatever is assigned here...or..?? They came in individual tubes with the old CR #### stampped on the outside and I believe are for the sides and the numberboards both. Interesting tidbit is that (like all other NS / predecesor roads) will retain a specific designation for accounting..??? or shop maint. records...??? (initials) of the original road that they came from etc... In this case....for whatever reason, they will use the initials....PRR.....that's right sportsfans...PRR..!! Now if they'd just paint the units "TUSCAN"......????? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: VVA249@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:14:08 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] SOMEBODY IS making a SCALE Baldwin Centipede Yes, I recall the same article about the Centipedes in pusher service Traction Motor blowers were frame mounted - and when the units were used as pushers on "The Curve" they cooled the ballast - while the Traction motors burned up ! Wish I could recall where WE read it Dick Ross ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 03 Mar 99 13:38:09 EST From: "Ted Andrews" Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR LOCO Gary: The RSD-12's did not recieve any trainphone antennas. I looked through many publications over the years and I never saw a picture of one with them. Pennsy ordered the RSD-12's in 1957-58 for the primary purpose of helper service on Horseshoe Curve. The units lasted on the curve until the early to mid 1960s when they were replaced by SD-35s and SD-40's. Similarly, the Pennsy ordered RSD-7's for helper service over the curve at about the same time but for passenger trains. These units were equipped with trainphone antennas and steam generators. Hope this helps Ted Andrews Carmel Indiana ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: [PRR] PRR LOCO Author: mittner@webtv.net (doloris mittner) at Internet Date: 3/3/99 1:21 PM PRR List, I am not much of a diesel modeler or much of a historian so I ask this question to those familar with this subject. The Pennsy owned 15 or so RSD 12's Class AS18am. Did any of those locos have the antenna attached to its roof. I am unable to find photo proof of this but I am guessing they did. I do no have any of the Diesel Years books to look through. Can someone please send me a JPEG pic if they can come up with one. I have a Overland Models PRR RSD 12 here from one of my customers. He wants me to install antenna even if they didn't recieve them. Any help out there? Gary ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". 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Frank Brua ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Alan Buchan" Subject: [PRR] PRR class GS in MW service Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:31:11 -0500 Last month there was a discussion regarding class GS gondolas being in MW service at which time I stated that a group of us have been working on compiling a PRR list of MW equipment and that we had no photographic evidence of class GS gons being in MW service. Actually that statement was not totally correct as the initial draft list does show one class GS, PRR 494074, a John C. LaRue photo from the Paul Backenstose collection. And now another has appeared PRR 494092 (white lined), in the April 1999 edition of "RailModel Journal", on page 31. It is a Rich Berg photo (B&W in magazine) photographed in 1988 at Niles, OH (Lines West - PY&A territory). It appears to be in FCR w/ white lettering in the CK scheme, although CK is not visible. There is a gap of 111 cars in the draft list from 494038, a class NX riding car, and 494150, a class G22 wheel car, with the exception of course of the two GSs 494074 and 494092. So perhaps this was a block for class GS gons? Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:07:54 EST Subject: [PRR] Lotsa L&N Coal on the Panhandle In a message dated 2/24/99 3:56:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, Stuthayer@AOL.COM writes: > In a message dated 2/24/99 5:46:50 AM Mountain Standard Time, > RickTipton@aol.com writes: > > << Ben Davis was also convenient to route any northbound coal traffic coming > off > the Louisville line (think L&N Eastern Kentucky coal interchanged at > Louisville/Jeffersonville). L&N coal could come up to IU interlocking and > then west past Union Station, but probably swung west off on the Belt Line > at > Dale, bypassing Union Station while reaching the St. Louis line. >> > > Rick, > This is interesting. Did the L&N in fact interchange EK coal off to the PRR > through Louisville and Jeffersonville. I have never seen any indication of > this, or reference to it. In addition, I never saw L&N coal in the former > PRR > Jeffersonville yard. I always assumed that coal off the L&N to the PRR was > interchanged through Cincinnati. In fact, I know a lot of coal did go this > way. > > Stuart Thayer > Stu, A lot of this discussion was about the reason(s) the I&F branch got built by the PRR just before WWI. No question that much L&N coal went north through Cincy -- as a child in the 50's, I used to see the L&N transfer jobs waiting to get into NYC Sharonville, and of course PRR probably got even more at Undercliff. But remember that the bulk of L&N's coal output from Kentucky went NORTH until the 70's. I was commenting on how the trackage norhbound/westbound off both the PRR's Vincennes Branch and the PRR's Louisville Branch at Indianapolis was nicely dovetailed into the sweeping curve from westbound to northbound onto the I&F at Ben Davis interlocking. Davis lies along the north boundary of the Indy airport, and thus is just outside I-265 today. While working in you-know-who's basement, I asked Tish Knoeller of Kentucky Railway Museum and Charlie Castner (Pres, L&N Historical Society) about EK if not CV coal through Louisville. They responded right away that historically, Eastern Kentucky coal via Winchester and Anchorage, plus Cumberland Valley coal via the Lebanon Branch, moved in quantity to PRR at Louisville. To a Louisville railfan like you, this might suggest: - why the bridges and culverts were so stout on the L&N Lebanon Branch. It couldn't have all been boxcars of bourbon. - why the PRR needed double track on the elevation project between Kentucky Street and Clagg Tower on the river. - why the PRR had such a good-sized yard in Jeffersonville IN, even though traffic in the 60s and 70s was puny. - how come the PRR Louisville Branch had such deep rail for a granger branch line - and so forth So all of this might help justify the massively engineered I&F project. In any case, there's no doubt that it got Pennsy trains off a Lake Erie & Western track ill-suited for heavy traffic, and allowed PRR to promote coal traffic north to Frankfort-Logansport-Chicago etc without running via Terre Haute. Before completion of the I&F as a shortcut, the PRR's best routing north was Indy-Terre Haute-Frankfort-Logansport-Chicago. I'm not sure that turning the corner at Terre Haute didn't involve yarding the train and then reversing direction. Anyway, I've got a feeling that the local PRR coal branches just to Terre Haute's southeast were creating enough trouble in the vicinity on their own. With the war in Europe starting in 1914, the US economy was booming and pushing against its limits by 1916. You can probably name for yourself the improvements and extensions on the L&N between 1912 and 1920 that opened up new coal mines, expanded capacity, etc. Well, the Pennsy, as a delivering carrier, had the same reasons to add and refine capacity in this period. Rick Tipton LWF ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:53:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] SOMEBODY IS making a SCALE Baldwin Centipede From: Patrick M Egan I believe the write-up on that was in X2200South back about '69 or thereabouts. Odd thing is - the Centipedes were designed because Seaboard wanted something for their curvy main line! I guess it wasn't that curvy. Pat Egan (no web access) On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:14:08 EST VVA249@aol.com writes: > Yes, I recall the same article about the Centipedes in pusher >service >Traction Motor blowers were frame mounted - and when the units were >used as >pushers on "The Curve" they cooled the ballast - while the Traction >motors >burned up ! > Wish I could recall where WE read it >Dick Ross > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. >Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". 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From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:32:45 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR LOCO Also, all of the RSD12 loco were equipped with hump control. So it is unlikely that any of the 25 loco received trainphone. However they may have been equipped with the yard phone moon disc antennae. Check Withers PRR Diesel Pictorials Vol 1. I leant my copy to someone so I can't check it. Rich Orr ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: [PRR] MR article (was Re: What Happens To A Layout When You Reach Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:17:56 -0500 From: Dennis Rockwell On 1 Mar, KEMACPRR wrote: > [ ... ] The rr will not survive forever but the > distribution of the rr assets has already been taken care of. The HO club I'm a member of has a committee that buys and sells collections; they will handle the disposition of my stuff, so everybody wins, assuming the club still exists when I don't. > Again thanks for the concern and I hope you enjoy the article as much as I > enjoy the rr. I thought that the article was short on pictures; for such a huge chunk of scale real estate, the photos didn't cover enough of it. I know that MR doesn't like to publish photos of unfinished layout areas unless it's a construction article, but the I would like to see more shots like the Northumberland overview (featuring the unfinished turntable and the pushpins holding the track down!) with the staging yards and ramps on the far wall in full view. There was only one photo of a lower level at all (shot #2, Sunbury); in particular, I would like to see how the area between Newberry Yard and Loch Haven looks, with two levels above and one below. Lots of us are contemplating multideck layouts (vs hillsides ala photo #1), and the more examples we see, the better our decision-making will be and the more satisfied we'll be with our layouts. Bill Darnaby shouldn't be the only example we have, however fine an example he is. I look forward to an article on your new extension! Dennis Rockwell SPF(N) dennis@bbn.com Cambridge MA I love the smell of brakeshoes in the morning! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Kevin Tully" Subject: Re: [PRR] American Steel List is Born! Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 06:06:48 PST Jerry, Yes, another list was started last week. Jeremy started that one to hold the place of the American Steel List until it was finished and brought online. There is only one list now, American Steel. So, no redundancy here. Kevin >From prr-talk@dsop.com Wed Mar 3 12:41:19 1999 Received: from dsop.com by dsop.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0.2) id 622775 via TCP with SMTP; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 15:49:36 +0000 Received: from dsop.com by dsop.com with POP3; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:44:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] American Steel List is Born! Date: Wed, 3 Mar 99 14:46:26 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Jerry To: "Kevin Tully" , "PRR-Talk" cc: , , , , , , , , , , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.4 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: On 3/3/99 1:32 PM, Kevin Tully (t1duplex@hotmail.com) wrote: >For those who are intersted, here is the new American Steel Mailing >List. The list is intended to support the steel mill modeler, and allow >those interested to promote this interesting section of our hobby, and >provide a place for information to be exchanged. > >Remember: TELL A FRIEND!!!!!!! > > >To subsribe, send an email to: americansteel-request@knoxfirst.com > >Put SUBSCRIBE in the message body > >To unsubscrib, put UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. Gee, wasn't another steel industry list announced just last week...via ONELIST.COM??? Seems a bit redundant to me. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@dsop.com Member, PRRT&HS Modeling Harrisburg, Pa., in HO scale, circa 1954. Visit "Keystone Crossings" at http://kc.pennsyrr.com Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! WWW.PENNSYRR.COM - See what's new in PRR all over the net! 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Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: [PRR] Harrisburg Show This Sunday (3/7/99) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 99 09:43:25 -0500 From: Jerry Just wanted to remind folks that this Sunday (3/7/99) is the Annual Railroadiana Show in Harrisburg, Pa., presented by the Harrisburg Chapter of the NRHS. The show is being held at the Zembo Mosque and runs from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. Admission is $3. It's no Timonium, but, being located so close to the Rockville Bridge, Enola Yards, Harrisburg passenger station, restored HARRIS tower, it might be worth the trip for those out-of-towners who want to get in some railfanning as well. I ("Merchandise Service") will have a table, so stop by and say hello. If you haven't seen the Miracle Castings BP20 Sharks yet, I'll have them on hand -- including units for sale. Will also have the recently released Red Caboose X-29's in "Merchandise Service" scheme...as well as the "Railway Express Agency" scheme and others. Other products available include P2K GP7's, Bachmann K4's, Digital Image Works videos, Withers Publishing/Jack Hahn books on PRR diesels, Digitrax decoders, and more! Hope to see you there! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@dsop.com Member, PRRT&HS Modeling Harrisburg, Pa., in HO scale, circa 1954. Visit "Keystone Crossings" at http://kc.pennsyrr.com Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! WWW.PENNSYRR.COM - See what's new in PRR all over the net! The Standard Pennsy Web Site of the World! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 12:43:44 -0500 From: Terry Brentzel Subject: [PRR] Baldwin Centipede traction motor overheating problems Derrick, Your statement about Centipedes in helper service experiencing traction motor overheating problems is correct. An article, written as part of a three part "Centipede Connection 1-3" series, entitled "Personality on the Pennsy" (Trains - May 1982, pp 48-50) and authored by William D. Volkmer described this phenomenon. Evidently a large number of traction motor failures due to overheating were experienced in Centipedes used on east slope helper service on the east slope from Altoona. As you stated, it was discovered that the combined effects of extreme track curvature and the slow pace of the train were causing the traction motor blower duct and traction motor to be mis-aligned. Therefore, the cooling air intended for the traction motor was discharged directly onto the ballast. Terry Brentzel /tlb > At some point I saw an article which referred to the problems they had > using the Centipedes as pushers because apparently for an extended period > on the sharp turns ascending from Altoona the ventilation hole in the > carbody did not align with that in the trucks, meaning they kept burning > out traction motors, at least if I recall the story. Does this sound > familiar to anyone? anyone else seen it? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 13:11:23 -0500 From: John Griffin Subject: [PRR] USGS Map Resources Hi All, I came across this information and thought is might be of use to those of you who model in the Pennsylvania region. There are USGS 7.5' x 7.5' maps available on-line for free. I down loaded the series that covers the Buffalo/Erie Main between Renovo and Emporium. The resolution is a little grainy when you zoom too far down, but hey, their FREE! Might be useful as is, or to help you decide which paper maps you really what to purchase (Wish I had known about this before I ordered 30+ maps, Harrisburg PA to Olean NY). Go to the USGS site to find the name of the maps you want; http://edcwww.cr.usgs.gov/Webglis/glisbin/finder_main.pl?dataset_name=MAPS_LARGE Then go to the Pennsylvania State University site to find the maps, in TIFF format. http://www.pasda.psu.edu/search.cgi?k=DRG I hope some of you will find this useful in your efforts. - John - John Griffin Senior IT Specialist Computer Support Services CAE Electronics Ltd pho 514.341.2000 x3332 fax 514.340.5583 net griffin@cae.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:17:14 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Lotsa L&N Coal on the Panhandle In a message dated 3/3/99 23:46:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, RickTipton@aol.com writes: << So all of this might help justify the massively engineered I&F project. In any case, there's no doubt that it got Pennsy trains off a Lake Erie & Western track ill-suited for heavy traffic, and allowed PRR to promote coal traffic north to Frankfort-Logansport-Chicago etc without running via Terre Haute. >> I would think a large amount of this traffic went to Gary -- coking and open hearth furnances Rich Orr ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MONTH'S SPONSOR: Your RR-related business can sponsor this list. Contact jerry@dsop.com for details. 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