Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 01:33:09 -0500 From: Jerry Shickler Subject: Placing purchased pics on a web site. Content-Length: 857 A co-worker's husband is a big SPF and has lots of pictures, many of which he purchased from someone who sells reprints (of his own photographs, I assume) at train shows. I asked if I could scan some, & put them on a website for all to see. Would there be any copywrite problems in doing so? Does the seller retain all rights to the pictures? I'd think it would be ok, but what do I know? -- Jerry Shickler e-mail: geshick@velocity.net ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: narm@scsn.net (Nolan Armstrong -- Donnelly) Subject: SALE - Back issues of The Keystone Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 12:36:52 GMT Content-Length: 781 Please excuse this "sale" notice but this was the best forum for me to place this in. That said, I have for sale back issues of the following: Vol. 9, No.1 - 4 and Vol. 10, No.1 - 4 of the PRT&HS Keystone. The price is $35.00 per volume plus shipping. All magazines are in "as new" condition. Please respond via e-mail to: narm@scsn.net Regards, Nolan Armstrong ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Hal6963 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 09:54:33 EST Subject: PRR Vista Dome Sleeper Content-Length: 604 According to the new book "Railroads of Indiana" the PRR operated a Chicago- Miami Vista Dome Sleeper in the 1950s. Does anyone have any information on the car? Harold McGee Gainesville, FL ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 09:35:07 -0600 (CST) From: dsdawdy@mcs.com (Daniel S. Dawdy) Subject: Re: Placing purchased pics on a web site. Content-Length: 1726 >A co-worker's husband is a big SPF and has lots of pictures, many of >which he purchased from someone who sells reprints (of his own >photographs, I assume) at train shows. I asked if I could scan some, & >put them on a website for all to see. Would there be any copywrite >problems in doing so? Does the seller retain all rights to the >pictures? I'd think it would be ok, but what do I know? Hi: In most cases, yes, the seller retains the copyrights to the work as they hold the original negative/slide. If you were to buy a collection of originals, you may then have the rights but most always give credit to the original photographer. In your case, I would ask the original photographer. My guess would be no, because he make his living selling these images. You placing them on the web for free may, in his eyes, cut down on sales. I had some images which I posted to the Internet, show up on a shareware CD ROM. This was before the Web. I found out and did sue the company. I learned a lot about copyright laws with that one :-) If there is an interest, I'll post more. Dan - Ribbon Rail Productions - World Wide Web Publishing 319 N. Naperville Road, Suite 348 Bolingbrook, IL 60490 Voice 630.969.7837 - Data 630.960.3046 - dsdawdy@mcs.com ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Knepper" Subject: Re: PRRTHS Cyber Chapter: Status Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 11:38:55 -0500 Content-Length: 4169 Your Loss, But you probably like the B&O too ! :-( ---------- > From: Michael DiMaio > To: bejm@eeg.ccf.org; Carl K Vogel > Cc: prr-talk@dsop.com > Subject: Re: PRRTHS Cyber Chapter: Status > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 1997 5:45 PM > > My vote is to keep PRR talk apart from Penn Tech!! I never did like > the keystone. BTW, I am wearing as asbestos suit so flame away at > me!! :-) > > > > To: bejm@eeg.ccf.org > > Cc: prr-talk@dsop.com > > Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 20:10:03 -0500 > > Subject: Re: PRRTHS Cyber Chapter: Status > > From: carl-vic-vogel@juno.com (Carl K Vogel) > > > Mark: > > > > I am not a member of any PRRTHS chapter. In fact, until I joined PRR-Talk > > and this thread came up, I did not know they existed!! > > > > I have never seen the "Keystone". > > > > Oh....get those flame guns out!! > > > > It might be an interesting combination...PRR talk and PRRTHS. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Carl K.Vogel > > Recently Reinstated Chief Engineer > > Taunton & Tuckerton Railway > > > > On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 0:54:35 EST Mark D Bej writes: > > > > > >Guys: > > >Here's what I have so far. > > > > > >20 PRRTHS Members in support of Cyber Chapter > > > Bartlett, Bej, Britton, Brooks, Copeland, Friendlein, Freshwater, > > >Helms, > > > Keel, Knepper, Laird, Leary, McGee, Minton, Morgan, Mummert, > > > Ross, Schlund, Siller, VogelR, Vondruska > > > > > >7 PRRTHS Nonmembers in support of Cyber Chapter > > > Dugas, Futch, Poortinga, Rosenbauer, Smith, Wangen, Whitehouse > > > > > >4 Unknown status in support of Cyber Chapter > > > McCall, Schoenberb, Shickler, VogelC > > > > > >Total potential members: 31 > > > > > >------ > > >INCOMPLETE INFO ON: > > >Knepper (address) > > >McCall, Schoenberg, Shickler (address, PRRTHS membership status) > > >VogelC (PRRTHS membership status) > > >------ > > > > > >This may be my impression only, but there seems to be a large number > > >of > > >Cyber Chapter supporters who are "far" from the "traditional" > > >strongholds > > >of the PRRTHS. E.g., only 4 from Pa., 4 from Ohio. > > > > > >I sure think we have enough people for a chapter. We may even beat > > >out > > >some of the older ones. > > > > > >-- > > >Mark D. Bej > > >bejm@eeg.ccf.org > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Desparately seeking sponsorship! Please contact jerry@dsop.com to help > > > > > >save this list and "Keystone Crossings". Thanks. > > >------------------------------------------------------------- > > >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > > >"listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact > > >"listmaster@dsop.com". > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Desparately seeking sponsorship! Please contact jerry@dsop.com to help > > save this list and "Keystone Crossings". Thanks. > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". > Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 09:36:23 -0800 From: Claus Schlund Subject: Re: PRRTHS Cyber Chapter: Status Content-Length: 4476 Michael: You never did like the "Keystone"? Wow, I've never met anyone interested in PRR before who looked at an issue and did *not* like it! What exactly did you not like about it? By the way, magazine titles are usually capitalized, and what exactly is "Penn Tech" ? Are you refering to the PRRT&HS??? I think the *cyber chapter* would be missing a major boat by *not* associating itself with the PRRT&HS. As to *PRR-Talk*, I don't think keeping it "apart from Penn Tech" is really what is at issue here... Claus Schlund (modeling steam-era PRR in N scale) San Francisco, CA Michael DiMaio wrote: > > My vote is to keep PRR talk apart from Penn Tech!! I never did like > the keystone. BTW, I am wearing as asbestos suit so flame away at > me!! :-) > > > To: bejm@eeg.ccf.org > > Cc: prr-talk@dsop.com > > Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 20:10:03 -0500 > > Subject: Re: PRRTHS Cyber Chapter: Status > > From: carl-vic-vogel@juno.com (Carl K Vogel) > > > Mark: > > > > I am not a member of any PRRTHS chapter. In fact, until I joined PRR-Talk > > and this thread came up, I did not know they existed!! > > > > I have never seen the "Keystone". > > > > Oh....get those flame guns out!! > > > > It might be an interesting combination...PRR talk and PRRTHS. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Carl K.Vogel > > Recently Reinstated Chief Engineer > > Taunton & Tuckerton Railway > > > > On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 0:54:35 EST Mark D Bej writes: > > > > > >Guys: > > >Here's what I have so far. > > > > > >20 PRRTHS Members in support of Cyber Chapter > > > Bartlett, Bej, Britton, Brooks, Copeland, Friendlein, Freshwater, > > >Helms, > > > Keel, Knepper, Laird, Leary, McGee, Minton, Morgan, Mummert, > > > Ross, Schlund, Siller, VogelR, Vondruska > > > > > >7 PRRTHS Nonmembers in support of Cyber Chapter > > > Dugas, Futch, Poortinga, Rosenbauer, Smith, Wangen, Whitehouse > > > > > >4 Unknown status in support of Cyber Chapter > > > McCall, Schoenberb, Shickler, VogelC > > > > > >Total potential members: 31 > > > > > >------ > > >INCOMPLETE INFO ON: > > >Knepper (address) > > >McCall, Schoenberg, Shickler (address, PRRTHS membership status) > > >VogelC (PRRTHS membership status) > > >------ > > > > > >This may be my impression only, but there seems to be a large number > > >of > > >Cyber Chapter supporters who are "far" from the "traditional" > > >strongholds > > >of the PRRTHS. E.g., only 4 from Pa., 4 from Ohio. > > > > > >I sure think we have enough people for a chapter. We may even beat > > >out > > >some of the older ones. > > > > > >-- > > >Mark D. Bej > > >bejm@eeg.ccf.org > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Desparately seeking sponsorship! Please contact jerry@dsop.com to help > > > > > >save this list and "Keystone Crossings". Thanks. > > >------------------------------------------------------------- > > >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > > >"listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact > > >"listmaster@dsop.com". > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Desparately seeking sponsorship! Please contact jerry@dsop.com to help > > save this list and "Keystone Crossings". Thanks. > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". > Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "W. Jim Hudson" Subject: N-Scale Cabin Cars Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 18:00:27 -0000 Content-Length: 1669 I'd like to hear from anyone on the list who has modeled PRR cabin cars in N-scale... Are there any other N-scaler, SPFs out there? (Gosh, being in the minority modeling scale makes me feel almost like a Lines West advocate on PRR-Talk, geesh! J/K!) Seriously though, I know Fine N Scale is supposed to come out with a model sometime, but until that happens, what are my options... Being a poor grad student, brass models are not going to happen. In case you're interested, I model a near-decrepit subsidiary of the PRR in the mid-fifties (the B&E) with a bit of a twist. The B&E ran from the Chesapeake Bay (where it had steamer connections with Baltimore) to Ocean City, Maryland, via Easton, Salisbury, and Berlin. Always a marginal operation, the B&E was kept alive by agricultural traffic and passenger revenue to the beach. Unfortunately, the real B&E had its bridge to Ocean City destroyed by a hurricane in 1933, and it was never rebuilt. Hence without the passenger traffic generated by the resort, the line was abandoned piecemeal over the next few decades. I model it as if that bridge had been rebuilt, and the line was still struggling along in the Fifties. Thanks for any input! Jim Hudson wjhudson@erols.com ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:22:41 -0500 (EST) From: Derrick J Brashear Subject: Re: Bowser T-1? Content-Length: 791 On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Jerry_Britton wrote: > Did the new Bowser T-1 ever get released? I haven't seen info anywhere. > Last I heard, it was supposed to be shipping by last fall. Saw a "proof" > of the boiler last winter. I saw an old one built on a shelf in a hobby shop 2 days ago, next to the other Bowser steamers. It claimed the T-1 would be out this spring. -D ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: LINESWEST Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:25:21 EST Subject: Re: Some more questions Content-Length: 2916 In a message dated 97-12-31 13:31:20 EST, you write: << Are the rails still in place at Madison? Isn't Indiana a good place to check out railroads >> Erie, Well, you ould call the rails still in place but they're in very poor condition. The last time the track was used south of the three way switch the also serves the state hospital and plastic factory was in 1993 when the Kentuckiana power plant at the bottom needed a shipment of new generator rotors. The five of us started at the bridgge taking West Main Street (US 421) over the incline, walked to the City of Madison Port Authority office in a restored caboose next to the tracks just north of the three-way switch and back. The five of use, Larry & Phyllis Morgan, Todd and Lisa Horton and myself proved ourselves to be true SPFs, we walked through freshly fallen snow. We found numerous washouts and rockfalls, including the remants of a dhunck of rock the size of a small auto that had landed atop the tracks (we saw a picture of this rock at the CMPA office. A very courteous Port Authorityemployee answered our questions and let use look at the CMPA photo album. They have three locomotives including a very noticable green and organge "Paducha" Geep 10. She said the city of Madison is serious about keeping the line open from the CSX at North Vernon to Madison, adding the availability of rail transportation was the deciding factor in a company's recent decision to move its operations to Madison. There has been fairly recent feasibility study on tourist operations on the Hill. Cost of maintenance is prhibitive because of constant wshouts and rock falls. And there's a lack of secenic Scenery. Once you're on top, you're on a relatively level plateau. The Jeffersonville, Madison & Indy Louisville main, now the Louisville & ndiana with its Keystone herald with an interwined L&I about forty mile west has better scenery. I really didn't know what to expect.Unless you're looking for it, it's hard to tell the line is there.It's magnificent, walking up a 200-foot fill to a 150-foot cut, all dug with hand drills, sledge hammers, black powder and moved by teams and agons that hauled 500,000 tons of rock. Modeling the Madison Hill would be an interesting project for PRRM?O. It'd be about 80 feet long and five feet high in HO, 20' long and 2.5' high in N.. And it'd be a raare chance to use the P2K Pennsy SD9s in the only prototypical application. I was impressed. Tom V. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Knepper" Subject: Re: Layout design software: new Q Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:08:11 -0500 Content-Length: 2393 Hi Derrick, Haven't used it, but there is another program out there......(3rd Planlt) by El Dorado Software......(http:\\www.eldoradosoft.com) they have a down loadable program that mybe of some intrest to you...... Good Luck Bill Knepper ---------- > From: Derrick J Brashear > To: prr-talk@dsop.com > Subject: Re: Layout design software: new Q > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 1997 5:39 PM > > On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Mark D Bej wrote: > > > > > OK, guys. 4-5 responders love CADrail. Yes, I'd previously seen the Atlas > > program in hobby stores, but I know Atlas, Atlas is a good friend of mine, > > and I expected Atlas to allow you to do things only with Atlas > > SnapPiecesParts, nothing more. No surprise. Typical Atlas. The Micro$oft > > of the model train world. > > I haven't yet needed to upgrade my Atlas RS's to new, more expensive > versions with newer, most annoying bugs. Not really a true/fair/accurate > comparison. You malign Atlas and/or make Bill come out smelling much nicer > than he really does. > > Of course, Right Track Software was initially designed to do just what you > say it does, so I'm not surprised. > > ObPRR: finally figured out last night where the street leading down to the > passenger station (which was) at Bellevue, just west of Pittsburgh on the > north side of the Ohio River came out. Of course, it turns out it's > blocked with a pile of dirt, and I wasn't walking down in the snow, in the > dark. Some other day..... > > -D > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". > Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: PRSL/NYLB From: ptrmgtsvc@juno.com (Michael E. Allen) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:12:54 EST Content-Length: 1334 The NYLB is now NJT's North Jersey Coast Line ______________________________ PRINCETON TERMINAL RAILWAY PTRMgtSvc@Juno.com Management Services Telephone 609-683-0356 >> >> >>I'm also curious about what operations, if any, are left over the old >New York & Long Branch, but that's the other end of the state. I've >been reading some books and seeing all the neat operations in NJ back >in the 60's and 70's, and part of the reason for this trip is to try >to find out what, if any, of all of that is left. (If that makes any >sense! :) >> >>Thanx, >>-Jer >> >>-- >>Jerry W. Jordak The boxcars and flatbeds, whistle >>blowin' steam >>mailto:jer@smellycat.com That was yesterday >>http://prozac.cwru.edu/jer/ Now those big trains don't come >anymore >>Acts 16:31 <>< -- Restless Heart, "Big Iron >Horses" >> ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:44:20 -0600 From: Bob Webber Subject: Re: PRR Vista Dome Sleeper Content-Length: 944 At 09:54 AM 1/1/98 EST, you wrote: >According to the new book "Railroads of Indiana" the PRR operated a Chicago- >Miami Vista Dome Sleeper in the 1950s. Does anyone have any information on the >car? > >Harold McGee >Gainesville, FL > The car was a NP sleeper - during the winter months, NP leased their dome sleepers tp PRR and IC for Florida Trains. They were Budd, vista domes, with the flat sides, rather thanm fluted. They retained their NP paint in SouthWind service. If you want more info, let me know... Bob ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 19:58:35 -0500 From: "Larry P. Morgan" Subject: Re: N-Scale Cabin Cars Content-Length: 1965 W. Jim Hudson wrote: > > I'd like to hear from anyone on the list who has modeled PRR cabin > cars in > N-scale... Are there any other N-scaler, SPFs out there? (Gosh, > being in > the minority modeling scale makes me feel almost like a Lines West > advocate > on PRR-Talk, geesh! J/K!) > > Seriously though, I know Fine N Scale is supposed to come out with a > model > sometime, but until that happens, what are my options... Being a poor > grad > student, brass models are not going to happen. > > In case you're interested, I model a near-decrepit subsidiary of the > PRR in > the mid-fifties (the B&E) with a bit of a twist. The B&E ran from the > Chesapeake Bay (where it had steamer connections with Baltimore) to > Ocean > City, Maryland, via Easton, Salisbury, and Berlin. Always a marginal > operation, the B&E was kept alive by agricultural traffic and > passenger > revenue to the beach. Unfortunately, the real B&E had its bridge to > Ocean > City destroyed by a hurricane in 1933, and it was never rebuilt. > Hence > without the passenger traffic generated by the resort, the line was > abandoned piecemeal over the next few decades. I model it as if that > bridge > had been rebuilt, and the line was still struggling along in the > Fifties. > > Thanks for any input! > Jim Hudson > wjhudson@erols.com My wife Phyllis is a serious Pennsy fan and N scaler. She is sticking to MicroTrains for now. -- Larry Morgan lpmorgan@iquest.net Greenfield, IN (near Indianapolis) TCA/TTOS/PRRT&HS ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 20:02:02 -0500 From: Brian Brooks Subject: Re: Accurail (was Re: Accurail is a Sponsor / Funding Update) Content-Length: 1600 At 04:23 PM 12/31/97 -0500, you wrote: >You will see a banner ad for Accurail on "Keystone Crossings". They are >underwriting 1/3 of our excess operating costs for three months ($20 per >month). >- ---------- >In response to Accurail's sponsorship, I will offer some kind comments on their >product line. They make a 40' box car with 4-3-1 ends and a diagonal panel >roof. If you kitbash the body to add 7 or 8 foot doors (it comes with 6' >doors), you have a very reasonable PRR X43. The PRR had 6000 x43's. > >regards >Andy Miller Andy is right on here! I've done an X43b starting with an undecorated Accurail kit (3200) and doors leftover from a C&BT kit. I see that Accurail now has 7' Superior panel doors available (part 0114) that would be correct for this subclass. Watch the kit painted and lettered for the PRR (3204). This is lettered as an X43a (complete with ACF builder's insignia), but has a 6' Youngstown door (should be 7') and 10 panel riveted sides (instead of the prototype's 12 panel welded). However, it may be close enough for some as it does make a good impression. Thanks to Accurail for helping keep things on line. Brian ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 19:28:55 -0600 From: Bob Webber Subject: Webpage & request Content-Length: 805 I have started a webpage with railroad links at: http://www.concentric.net/~Rswebber/railroad.html And I have an observation and request. The observation is that I have found quite a few pages for historical societies that should be able to be used as an example of what can be done for the PRRT&HS. My request is to forward me your comments, additions and corrections. Thanks, Bob ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "N Campbell" Subject: Re: PRR Vista Dome Sleeper Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:57:14 -0500 Content-Length: 1413 Harold That car was a Northen Pacific car which ran on the Southwind during the winter mouths.I got this info from the book To Flordia by Streamliner by Joe Welsh. Travel by Rail Neil Campbell -----Original Message----- From: Hal6963 To: PRR-Talk@dsop.com Date: Thursday, January 01, 1998 5:45 PM Subject: PRR Vista Dome Sleeper >According to the new book "Railroads of Indiana" the PRR operated a Chicago- >Miami Vista Dome Sleeper in the 1950s. Does anyone have any information on the >car? > >Harold McGee >Gainesville, FL > >------------------------------------------------------------- >Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". >Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. >------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". > ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:21:29 -0500 (EST) From: bubbles@visi.net Subject: X-26 Content-Length: 726 Hello all... Don't forget Accurail makes a kit for the USRA derived X-26 boxcar... I have one of them and it is nice...you would have to weather it a lot for fifties use as they were getting old by then but the PRR still had a lot of them then.... H.Mummert ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:26:45 -0600 (CST) From: dsdawdy@mcs.com (Daniel S. Dawdy) Subject: Re: Webpage & request Content-Length: 1406 >I have started a webpage with railroad links at: >http://www.concentric.net/~Rswebber/railroad.html > >And I have an observation and request. The observation is that I have >found quite a few pages for historical societies that should be able to be >used as an example of what can be done for the PRRT&HS. My request is to >forward me your comments, additions and corrections. It looks good, although your image does not work. I guess my first question is why another list of links? The NMRA / CWRR lists over 2400 sites and checks them monthly. There is also a master historical society list at: http://www.rrhistorical.com/rrpro/database.html It just seems that a lot of people are trying to re invent the wheel, nothing wrong with that, if they all have the time. Dan - Ribbon Rail Productions - World Wide Web Publishing 319 N. Naperville Road, Suite 348 Bolingbrook, IL 60490 Voice 630.969.7837 - Data 630.960.3046 - dsdawdy@mcs.com ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 21:39:21 -0500 From: "Dave 'Fresh' Freshwater" Subject: Re: N-Scale Cabin Cars Content-Length: 3299 Jim, Gee, talk about a project that I am just finishing up. (This of course means the Fine N Scale cabin cars will be out in a matter of days.) I started with the LifeLike NE caboose to replicate the N5B. I used the end pieces from Gold Medal Models set 160-18 (Model Power Bay Window Cabosse) and the freight and Industrial Ladder sets to replace all that molded on plastic stuff on the car ends. Gold Medal also makes a set of antenna parts for the TrainPhone (don't remember the number and one is not sitting up here at the computer.) I still have to run the 0.008 wire through the mounts. I opened up the twin windows on each end to make one large window and filled in about a scale foot and a half at the car center end of the resulting gap to get a window closer to scale. I scrounged decals for the cars out of the MicroScale 60-9xx set (PRR Merchandise Service Box cars). They aren't perfect; the cupola is not offset 12 1/2 inches like the N5. They aren't contest quality; but I think they are going to survive scrutiny according to the N-Scale 3 foot rule. When the Fine N Scale car finally comes out, they will get relegated to a cabin car track in the background. But, they will look closer to a PRR cabin car than those old Atlas Santa Fe prototype caboose or the Model Power bay window caboose, both painted PRR, that I picked up before I knew any better. I'll have at least one running this weekend at Chantilly, VA on the NVNTRAK set-up at the Greenburg show. Dave Freshwater North Potomac, MD W. Jim Hudson wrote: > > I'd like to hear from anyone on the list who has modeled PRR cabin cars in > N-scale... Are there any other N-scaler, SPFs out there? (Gosh, being in > the minority modeling scale makes me feel almost like a Lines West advocate > on PRR-Talk, geesh! J/K!) > > Seriously though, I know Fine N Scale is supposed to come out with a model > sometime, but until that happens, what are my options... Being a poor grad > student, brass models are not going to happen. > > In case you're interested, I model a near-decrepit subsidiary of the PRR in > the mid-fifties (the B&E) with a bit of a twist. The B&E ran from the > Chesapeake Bay (where it had steamer connections with Baltimore) to Ocean > City, Maryland, via Easton, Salisbury, and Berlin. Always a marginal > operation, the B&E was kept alive by agricultural traffic and passenger > revenue to the beach. Unfortunately, the real B&E had its bridge to Ocean > City destroyed by a hurricane in 1933, and it was never rebuilt. Hence > without the passenger traffic generated by the resort, the line was > abandoned piecemeal over the next few decades. I model it as if that bridge > had been rebuilt, and the line was still struggling along in the Fifties. > > Thanks for any input! > Jim Hudson > wjhudson@erols.com > ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ARR JERRY Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:23:50 EST Subject: Signaling help Content-Length: 957 Hi y'all, I am looking for help designing a signal system on my home layout. I am well underway building the "Middle & Pittsburgh Division" by John Armstrong (20 Cuntom Designed Track Plans-page 51) in HO. I do not understand signaling and would like to install a reasonable system. I would like recommendations on 1. Locations, 2. Types, 3. Manufacturers, and 4. wireing. If there is any interest out there, please inform me of availability and $ required. PRR FOREVER, Jerry ARRJERRY@AOL.COM ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 20:22:11 -0800 From: Sarah Edwards Subject: Re: Webpage & request Content-Length: 1345 Bob, Looks good, quite a bit of stuff I hadn't seen. Doug Edwards Bob Webber wrote: > > I have started a webpage with railroad links at: > http://www.concentric.net/~Rswebber/railroad.html > > And I have an observation and request. The observation is that I have > found quite a few pages for historical societies that should be able to be > used as an example of what can be done for the PRRT&HS. My request is to > forward me your comments, additions and corrections. > > Thanks, Bob > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". > Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ARR JERRY Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:22:13 EST Subject: PRR Calenders Content-Length: 757 Hi Y'all, I'm looking for PRR Calenders by Weekend Chief and Cedco. I'm looking for: Cedco Publishing - Any prior to 1996 Weekend Chief Publisging - !995, 1996, Any prior to 1990 If anyone has these for sale, please E-mail $ and condition. PRR forever - Jerry ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 2 Jan 98 7:20:15 EST From: Subject: Re: Bowser T-1? Content-Length: 6682 Dito. I just spoke with the folks at Bowser 2 days ago and they claimed the same. It is still being "worked" and sould be out in the Spring. They gave no price range either. Kris Kollar ------------- Original Text From: Derrick J Brashear , on 1/1/98 1:22 PM: On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Jerry_Britton wrote: > Did the new Bowser T-1 ever get released? I haven't seen info anywhere. > Last I heard, it was supposed to be shipping by last fall. Saw a "proof" > of the boiler last winter. I saw an old one built on a shelf in a hobby shop 2 days ago, next to the other Bowser steamers. It claimed the T-1 would be out this spring. -D ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". Subject: RE: Thanks -- Modeling Update -Reply From: asmiller@mail11.mitre.org (Andrew S. Miller) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 98 09:54:29 -0500 Content-Length: 1610 Bob, I did an evaluation some time ago on this list. A summary of it is avaialable on Mark Bej's PRR web page at: http://ccfadm.eeg.ccf.org/~bejm/Rail/Prr/Model/pass_cars.htm l In essense, the body is correct, but you have to change either the trucks or the roof (or both) to obtain a correct car. BTW I've kit bashed that car into the most common BM70m by using Grant Line Station windows! regards, Andy Miller Sunshine Models has the wood and 1947 steel REA reefers which would be appropriate as well. Craft kits, but very nice when built. Be sure you order their truck kit for the steel reefer as it is correct. I have never seen any evaluations of the differences between the Rivarossi mail-baggage and the Pennsy versions. Superficially they are similar. Bob Zoeller - ------------------------------------------------------------ Desparately seeking sponsorship! Please contact jerry@dsop.com to help save this list and "Keystone Crossings". Thanks. - ------------------------------------------------------------ For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: Northern Central P-Trains in 1954? From: asmiller@mail11.mitre.org (Andrew S. Miller) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 98 10:14:30 -0500 Content-Length: 6936 A few comments on Drew's excellent rundown on PRR Northern doings. - - Bethlehem Car Works has a kit for B'nai B'rith/Defender. A lenghthy article on these cars (B'NAI B'RITH, DEFENDER, MATCHLESS, GUARDIAN, ENTERPRISE, and COURAGOUS) appeared in the Keystone some years ago. GUARDIAN still exists on a tourist railroad on Cape Cod. COURAGOUS was the odd car in the group, having end windows AT THE VESTIBULE END, for use as an observation car! - - The new Bachmann Pullman is a 10 sec, 1 dr, 2 br car. Those of us with loose morals might consider it a stand in for the 10 sec 3 dbr cars listed. - - Did the Dominion/Souther/Northern Express really run 10 sec 5 dbr cars? I've never heard of this configuration, although the Pullman Co built lots of small batches of strange confirurations (witness the new Bachmann car!!). Perhaps they were actually one of the following: 10 ROOMETTE, 5 dbr (very common prewar steamlined sleeper. PRR had many and assigned them to lesser runs such as these after the war. Sides are available from USP and others) 10 section, 3 dbr - listed elsewhere 8 section, 5 dbr - a CLOVER series rebuild, very common - no kit available :-( regards Andy Miller - --------- Greetings to Jerry and the group, The Dominion Express 574/575 provided service between Buffalo/Toronto and Washington via Harrisburg, York and Baltimore. Sleeper service was also provided to/from Philly via a Harrisburg connection to/from trains 615/36. Both the northbound and southbound were called the Dominion Express The Northern/Southern Express 581/580 provided service between Erie and Washington via Harrisburg, York and Baltimore. Sleeper service to/from NYC was provided by Harrisburg connections to trains 30 and 1. Both of these trains were overnight pullman/coach trains. They ran about 1/2 hour apart both northbound and southbound. 581 left Harrisburg at 11 PM. 575 left at 11:20 PM. 580 arrived at Harrisburg at 4:40 AM. 574 got there at 4:55 AM. These times are from PRR 1951 Susquehanna Division timetable. By General Order 311 Effective April 25, 1954, trains 580/581 were combined between Emporium and Washington with trains 574/575. At Emporium they split/combined. The Dominion Express (575/574) ran to/from Buffalo. The Northern/Southern Express 581/580) ran to/from Erie. Passenger service survived between Erie and Emporium (trains 580/581) until March 27, 1965 (See page 54 of Yanosey's _Pennsy Diesel Years 3_). Trains 574/575 were discontinued sometime between 1960 and 1965. According to April 1956 _Official guide_, the Dominion/Northern Express (575) left Washington at 7:05 PM. It hit York at 9:22 PM and Harrisburg at 10:50 PM By 3:00 AM it arrived at Renovo. It made Emporium by 4:04. About 30 minutes were allocated for switching the train. The Dominion, Train 575, continued on to Buffalo. The Northern Express originating as train 581 at Emporium. The Northern Express reached Erie at 10:20 AM. The Southern Express (580) left Erie at 6:15 PM. It made Emporium by 11:30 PM. The Dominion Express (574)left Buffalo at 4:35 PM and made Emporium at 11:38 AM. Again about 30 minutes are allowed for switching. Train 574, including the former train 580, leaves Emporium at 12:08 AM. It makes Renovo by 1:30 AM, Harrisburg at 5:13 AM and leaves at 5:25 AM for york. It hits York at 6:15 AM and Washington at 8:35 AM. The April 1956 _Official Guide..._ lists the following as the typical make up of the trains. 575/581 Dominion/Northern Express Lounge Car Washington - Buffalo 8 S Buffet Sleeping Cars Philly - Buffalo 10 S 5 DB Washington - Buffalo 10 S 5 DB to 581 Washington - Erie 10 S 3 DB to 581 NYC - Erie 8S 5 DB from Train #1 to 581 NYC - Erie 10 S 3 DB from Train #1 NYC - Emporium Cafe Car to 581 Washington - Erie Coaches Washington - Buffalo to 581 Philly - Erie from Train 615 574/580 Dominion/Southern Express Lounge Car Buffalo - Washington 8 S Buffet Sleeping Cars Buffalo - Philly 10 s 5 DB Buffalo - Washington 10 S 5 DB from 580 Erie - Washington 10 S 3 DB from 580 Erie - NYC 8 S 5 DB via train #20 from 580 Erie - NYC 10 S 3 DB via Train #20 Cafe Car from 580 Erie - Harrisburg Coaches Buffalo - Washington Buffalo - Philly via Train #36 from 580 Erie - Harrisburg According to a _Keystone_ article (sorry date unknown) Bankers Club and Traffic Club were assigned to 574/575 for a time in 1954. There were also daylight coach trains between Buffalo and Washington. Train 571 was known as the Buffalo Day Express and train 570 the Washington Express. According to the April 1956 _Official Guide_ 571 leaves Washington at 8:10 AM. It hit York at 10:37 AM and arrived at Harrisburg at 11:20 AM. It left Harrisburg at 11:42 AM and finally reached Buffalo at 8:00 PM. Its counterpart, train 570 left Buffalo at 8:30 AM, hitting Harrisburg at 4:55 PM. It left Harrisburg at 5:10 PM arriving at York at 5:49 PM and Washington at 8:15 PM. Both trains had connecting service to/from Philly and NYC at Harrisburg. The _Official Guide_ lists their consists as followes: 571 Buffalo Day Express Parlor Cafe Car Washington - Buffalo Coaches Washington - Buffalo (Reclining Seats) NYC - Buffalo (reclining Seats) 570 Washington Express Parlor Cafe Car Buffalo - Washington Coaches Buffalo - Washington (Reclining Seats) Buffalo - Philly (Reclining Seats) According to a _Keystone_ article (sorry date unknown) B'nai B'rith was assigned to 570/571 during 1948. Defender was assigned to 570/571 in the late 50s. Acording to the Summer 94 issue of the _Keystone_, 570/571 was discontinued in 1969. I hope my rather lenthy reply was of some help. Drew R. McGhee Altoona, PA - ------------------------------------------------------------ Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. - ------------------------------------------------------------ For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: N-Scale Cabin Cars Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 11:56:28 -0500 From: Dennis Rockwell Content-Length: 1793 On 1 Jan, "Larry P. Morgan" wrote: > W. Jim Hudson wrote: > > Are there any other N-scaler, SPFs out there? There aren't many of us, but count me in! > > Seriously though, I know Fine N Scale is supposed to come out with a model > > sometime, but until that happens, what are my options... Being a poor grad > > student, brass models are not going to happen. In the interim, keep rewarding Dick Billings by buying his X31 and X32 boxcars. To relieve the painting tedium, N&W and NP both ran some of these cars (large N&W photos of these cars at http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/, search for B1, B-1, B3, and B-3). > My wife Phyllis is a serious Pennsy fan and N scaler. She is sticking > to MicroTrains for now. Yeah, I've got one of those, but that MT caboose is nowhere hear any PRR prototype, even though it's lettered as an N6B. Wrong windows, wrong placement of the wrong cupola. The paint job is adequate, but it got warped to fit the model's window arrangement. I know of no accurate plastic N Scale PRR cabin car models, until Fine N Scale's N5C come out. Dennis Rockwell SPF dennis@bbn.com Cambridge MA _______ _______ _______ _______ _______ _______ ####(|oo=oo||_______||_______||_______||_______||_______||_______)##### I love the smell of brakeshoes in the morning! ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: LINESWEST Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:17:39 EST Subject: Re: N-Scale Cabin Cars Content-Length: 963 In a message dated 98-01-01 18:49:15 EST, you write: << I'd like to hear from anyone on the list who has modeled PRR cabin cars in N-scale... Are there any other N-scaler, SPFs out there? (Gosh, being in the minority modeling scale makes me feel almost like a Lines West advocate on PRR-Talk, geesh! J/K!) >> There are some N guagers on PRR-Talk but I forget who they are. Personnally my modeling tastes are quite mainstream in HO but I do know that Gloor Craft makes N6b kits in N scale. Check Gloor Craft on www/walthers.com. Tom V. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: N-Scale Cabin Cars Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 14:19:54 -0500 From: Dennis Rockwell Content-Length: 1425 On 2 Jan, LINESWEST wrote: > There are some N guagers on PRR-Talk but I forget who they are. Personnally my > modeling tastes are quite mainstream in HO but I do know that Gloor Craft > makes N6b kits in N scale. Check Gloor Craft on www/walthers.com. Dontcha just love this list? Upon reading Tom's note above, I called up my local dealer to order one, and he informed me that they are now back in production after a hiatus, and that two had just arrived. One of them now has my name on it. I'll publish a construction report here when I get a couple more round tuits. Since it's Gloor-Craft, I expect it to have dozens of tiny pieces, all just waiting for cement fingerprints, maybe even scale lumber for the siding! Dennis Rockwell SPF(N) dennis@bbn.com Cambridge MA _______ _______ _______ _______ _______ _______ ####(|oo=oo||_______||_______||_______||_______||_______||_______)##### I love the smell of brakeshoes in the morning! ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bob Zoeller" Subject: RE: Looking for 1954 Public Timetable Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:22:30 -0600 Content-Length: 1285 Jerry Britton wrote: "Does anyone have a public timetable of east-west passenger trains from 1954? Prefer April timeframe. I'd appreciate a photocopy in its entirety, or the chance to borrow it to copy or scan myself. Need it for modeling purposes. Thanks." Chuck Blardone offers photocopies of various consist books and letters. A large SASE gets you a list and prices. Address is: Mr. Chuck Blardone 2886 Wimbledon Lane Lancaster, PA 17601-1454 Run $10-20 depending on size -- not too unreasonable considering value and costs of reproducing, etc. Bought a 1945 or 1946 and a 1951. The 1945/6 was interesting because it contains both an unmarked and a marked-up revision --the marked up revision had the cancellations of short-run Pullmans and other reassignments due to the War Order to get the troops home and demobilized. Bob Zoeller ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: Re: Placing purchased pics on a web site. (fwd) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 15:39:26 EST Content-Length: 2120 > >A co-worker's husband is a big SPF and has lots of pictures, many of > >which he purchased from someone who sells reprints (of his own > >photographs, I assume) at train shows. I asked if I could scan some, & > >put them on a website for all to see. Would there be any copywrite > >problems in doing so? Does the seller retain all rights to the > >pictures? I'd think it would be ok, but what do I know? > I had some images which I posted to the Internet, show up on a shareware CD > ROM. This was before the Web. I found out and did sue the company. I learned > a lot about copyright laws with that one :-) Dan et al., I think the reason you got away with your suit is that you _asserted_ your implied copyright. My understanding (I'm not a lawyer, but I'm married to one) is that the copyright exists by the Common Law, but that it can be _lost_ if you don't demonstrate that you are _maintaining_ that copyright. Copies are tricky. If you sell a copy of a picture without restrictions stated in advance (like a (C)1997 on the slide or print, e.g.), then you would I think have only Common Law recourse as described above - i.e., you have to maintain vigilence and _you_ have to sue. If you _state_ your copyright explicitly, life is much simpler. As an example, people have been sued for using the text of a letter they received. It's been consistently held that receipt of a letter means that that letter is your property, to do with as you see fit. I would think that purchased property is similar. Now, the decent, moral, honest thing to do is _always_ to credit properly. -- Mark D. "I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on prr-talk" Bej bejm@eeg.ccf.org ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: Modeling ideas (was: Madison Hill) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 15:42:55 EST Content-Length: 856 > Modeling the Madison Hill > would be an interesting project for PRRM?O. It'd be about 80 feet long and > five feet high in HO, 20' long and 2.5' high in N.. And it'd be a raare chance > to use the P2K Pennsy SD9s in the only prototypical application. > Tom V. Here's my modular pike dream idea: ZOO interlocking. To exact scale. Probably best done in N-scale. Main lines simply loop around to another incoming track. -- Mark ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: [rrdiana] Railroad Books for sale - Revised (fwd) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 15:56:05 EST Content-Length: 937 I don't know this guy, > From: "_RRANA_Lee Jenkins" > Lee S. Jenkins > 4365 Eastwicke Blvd. > Stow, Ohio 44224 > (330) 677-5405 and I'm not endorsing anything. But. I note the following: > ON THE MAIN LINE - ALEXANDERC CMLXXI, 310 PAGES, 367 photos and = > illustrations. Covers the PRR 19th Century. Many of Right-of-way, = > equipment, depots, trains, structures, etc $55 This is a MUST HAVE for all SPFs. I've got my copy already -- youz guyz snap up yours! -- Mark ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: Signaling help (fwd) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:04:40 EST Content-Length: 2104 > I do not understand signaling and would like to install a reasonable system. > > I would like recommendations on > 1. Locations, 2. Types, 3. Manufacturers, and 4. wireing. > > If there is any interest out there, please inform me of availability and $ > required. > > PRR FOREVER, Jerry > ARRJERRY@AOL.COM Jerry, I can help you with signaling concepts, signal placement (design), etc. This is one of my own particular interests. As credentials, I have passed a NORAC rules exam given by a Conrail rules examiner and have the stamp to prove it. I can help some with models of signals available on the market. I cannot help at all with circuits available on the market, as I've not evaluated these. I'd love for anyone with the knowledge/experience to write some stuff up, and I'll gladly host it as a web page. The big question is "what is reasonable". When I start building my layout in earnest, it will have a fully functional signal system, all signal aspects in their correct locations. But this may be overkill for you (probably is for most modelers). Do you want just the signal hardware, no operational signals? (cheap and simple) Do you want lit signals whose aspects don't change? (minimally more and easy) Do you want only the simplest changing aspects (Clear |, Approach /, and Stop -)? (now requires track detection circuits and signal control circuits, but signal control circuits would be cheap) Do you want the whole shebang? (expensive) For designing stuff, please respond to me by private email, send me a diagram of your layout, and I'll come up with a suggested signal layout. -- Mark ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:14:56 -0600 (CST) From: dsdawdy@mcs.com (Daniel S. Dawdy) Subject: Re: Placing purchased pics on a web site. (fwd) Content-Length: 1334 >My understanding (I'm not a lawyer, but I'm married to one) is that the >copyright exists by the Common Law, but that it can be _lost_ if you don't >demonstrate that you are _maintaining_ that copyright. The Copyright Act was amended by The Berne Convention Implementation Act of 1988, Pub. L. 100-568, effective March 1, 1989. For works published after that date, section 401 no longer requires that a work bear a notice of copyright. Similarly, section 405 was amended and does not apply to works published after March 1, 1989. Now, the copyright holder may have to show damages because of the infringement as I had to do. I guess my bottom line is, if I don't hold the original, I won't post it. Dan - Ribbon Rail Productions - World Wide Web Publishing 319 N. Naperville Road, Suite 348 Bolingbrook, IL 60490 Voice 630.969.7837 - Data 630.960.3046 - dsdawdy@mcs.com ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: PrrCyberChap Update III, Info Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:19:19 EST Content-Length: 1539 OK, guys, we're up to 35 PRRTHS-or-local members and 16 nonmembers for the for formation of a cyber chapter. Total 51 if I can still add after all that champagne. Now for the info. First off, fret ye not. The page of peoples' addresses is temporary, until we present this to PRRTHS national. Once the chapter is created, the page of addresses disappears. You'll note that, pursuant to a suggestion received, I've mangled the email addresses to prevent SPAMming. I think we should pursue chaptership first. Then we'll have to vote for officers. Then we can debate and decide on things like: 1) newsletter or no newsletter? 2) newsletter electronic or hardcopy? 3) PRRTHS-cyber web site or not? If so, where, how much, how to pay? 4) PRRTHS-cyber discussion list or not? Separate from PRR-Talk, or endorse PRR-Talk, or how? Payment in support of or not? Think about these issues. Each could/should be a committee that would go around, check out pricing, space, etc., and inform the membership at large with info and its recommendation. members would then vote. -- Mark ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: Re: Placing purchased pics on a web site. (fwd) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:24:38 EST Content-Length: 1564 > >My understanding (I'm not a lawyer, but I'm married to one) is that the > >copyright exists by the Common Law, but that it can be _lost_ if you don't > >demonstrate that you are _maintaining_ that copyright. > > The Copyright Act was amended by The Berne Convention > Implementation Act of 1988, Pub. L. 100-568, effective March 1, > 1989. For works published after that date, section 401 no longer > requires that a work bear a notice of copyright. Similarly, > section 405 was amended and does not apply to works published after > March 1, 1989. Yes, thanks, I had forgotten about this. But I am also reminded of my previous reason for being wary even of this law -- you have to prove 'publishing' date. Granted, you could demonstrate, e.g., that Conrail only purchased units in the 6200 series _after_ a given date which is later than 1989-3-1, etc. etc etc. Still better, IMHO, to stamp a (C) and a year on the thing. > Now, the copyright holder may have to show damages because of the > infringement as I had to do. To recover money, certainly. Just to stop the practice, I'm not certain. But regardless. -- Mark ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Modeled NCR Operations Date: Fri, 2 Jan 98 18:22:08 -0400 From: Jerry Content-Length: 1101 If anyone is interested, I've got a working draft outlining the passenger and freight traffic I plan to model on my Northern Central Railway, representing the Baltimore to Harrisburg segment. Passenger traffic includes six named trains in each direction, plus numerous "Parkton Locals". Of the named trains, most actually bear multiple names. Thanks to those who provided timely feedback to make this all possible. Drew's extensive post was especially helpful. ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton "Keystone Crossings" http://prr.dsop.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Judge David Carey Subject: K-4s No. 5412 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:56:43 -0700 Content-Length: 684 I would appreciate receiving information, anecdotal or otherwise, about the history, assignments, modifications, ultimate disposition, and other interesting stuff about of K-4s No. 5412, last seen on the N.Y. & L.B. in the late 50's. Hope this isn't too arcane a request. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 19:03:11 -0500 From: "R. Vogel" Subject: Dispatching office walls Content-Length: 698 I'm at that stage in the construction of my model railroad room and a half to put up the walls. I was wondering whether there were any standard wall colors used in the dispatchers offices. Also, would beadboard be appropriate or smooth walls or some combination (wainscotting)? ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:27:01 -0800 From: ironhorse@sprintmail.com Subject: Re: N-Scale Cabin Cars Content-Length: 2583 Dennis Rockwell wrote: > > On 1 Jan, "Larry P. Morgan" wrote: > > > W. Jim Hudson wrote: > > > > Are there any other N-scaler, SPFs out there? > > There aren't many of us, but count me in! > > > > Seriously though, I know Fine N Scale is supposed to come out with a model > > > sometime, but until that happens, what are my options... Being a poor grad > > > student, brass models are not going to happen. > > In the interim, keep rewarding Dick Billings by buying his > X31 and X32 boxcars. To relieve the painting tedium, N&W > and NP both ran some of these cars (large N&W photos of > these cars at http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/, search > for B1, B-1, B3, and B-3). > > > My wife Phyllis is a serious Pennsy fan and N scaler. She is sticking > > to MicroTrains for now. > > Yeah, I've got one of those, but that MT caboose is nowhere > hear any PRR prototype, even though it's lettered as an N6B. > Wrong windows, wrong placement of the wrong cupola. The > paint job is adequate, but it got warped to fit the model's > window arrangement. > > I know of no accurate plastic N Scale PRR cabin car models, > until Fine N Scale's N5C come out. > > Dennis Rockwell SPF dennis@bbn.com Cambridge MA > _______ _______ _______ _______ _______ _______ > ####(|oo=oo||_______||_______||_______||_______||_______||_______)##### > > I love the smell of brakeshoes in the morning! > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". > Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". Dennis (and list members): One of the ways to get manufacturers to maybe make what we want, regardless of scale, is to write and ask them. Send copies of drawings, photos,etc., to make their job easier, too. If MT doesn't make it, then ask them to. Charlie Fox ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 17:16:23 -0800 From: ironhorse@sprintmail.com Subject: Multiple Post Content-Length: 619 To the list: Seems my reply about writing to manufacturers about making N scale cabin cars got on the list more than once. Honest, I only sent one message. Please re-holster the flame guns. Charlie Fox ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 18:23:37 -0800 From: Claus Schlund Subject: PRR cabin cars in N scale Content-Length: 2761 Hi Jim & list members, The list members seem to have steered you in the right direction - the N scale Gloor Craft N6b was unavailable for a couple of years. It is now back in stock at Walthers, so your timing is excellent. The Gloor kit builds up into a center-cupola N6b. Most N6b cars were not of this design, instead they had the cupola off to one side. According to an article in an ancient edition of the Keystone, the cupola on the offset N6b cars was something like 6inches longer or shorter (I don't remember exactly which way it went.) In N scale, that is a tiny amount, so if you were to move the as-is cupola off center your model would still be pretty close and it would represent the more common prototype. Also, there were variations in window location which with some craftiness could be modeled as well. The PRR also had N6a cars, which were identical but had a different (wider) cupola design. The N6a appears to have been more common on lines west routes. Drawings appear in the Wayner Pennsy Car Plans book. One could probably replace the cupola with a scratchbuilt one for an N6a car. The PRR built N6a cars by lengthening four-wheeled bobber NB, NC, NE and NEa cabin cars. So naturally I'm planning to take one of the Gloor kits I have and travel backward in time - shorten it to represent one of these shorter cabins. Underframe will come from a Bachmann old-timer caboose. I believe there was an article on doing this kitbash in some MR back issue (don't remember which one right off, and I don't own the back issue, still trying to locate it). It was for HO, but since all the same "raw materials" are available in N it should work just as well in 1/160. You can equip your N6b with either cast-side-frame or archbar trucks from Micro Trains - the prototype had both. There was an article a few years back in N scale mag (I think it was written by a fellow named Buckley) who scratchbuilt a class ND cabin, so if you are inclined that would be yet another possibility. As a final note, not all brass cars are unaffordable. I bought a brass N5 for $80.00. Of course it depends a bit on the state of your wallet. The Fine N Scale car is supposed to be an N5C (when it finally comes out). Till later... Claus Schlund (modeling steam-era PRR in N scale) San Francisco, CA ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Da72jmk Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:39:09 EST Subject: Re: PRR cabin cars in N scale Content-Length: 1277 In a message dated 98-01-02 21:42:48 EST, cschlund@sfsu.edu writes: << The PRR built N6a cars by lengthening four-wheeled bobber NB, NC, NE and NEa cabin cars. So naturally I'm planning to take one of the Gloor kits I have and travel backward in time - shorten it to represent one of these shorter cabins....I believe there was an article on doing this kitbash in some MR back issue (don't remember which one right off, and I don't own the back issue, still trying to locate it). >> I don't remember the kitbash article, but drawings of the ND and NDa (with a pair of four-wheel trucks) were published in MR July 1952. NC drawings were in MR September 1960. NA drawings were in RMC October 1996. Hope this helps! By the way, I've built Gloorcraft's ND in O scale, NDa and N6b in HO, none in N. It's a fun kit, especially in O. John Keel ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 21:19:21 -0800 From: Stan Feldman Subject: RAILPIX-RAILCARDS--SAFETY-POSTER-UPDATE . Content-Length: 1367 Hello all stations; A happy New Year to All ! New on the RailPix RailCards Page, at-- http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/1030/cards.html -A Conrail color me Rail Safety Poster to download or print. -A new AAR Ad, -A new Super Chief Ad -A 1962 Magna Carta For Transportation Ad from 1962 -A 1944 Rail Crossing Safety Poster -A New York and Boston Ad fron the late 1800,s. -See what Ronald Reagan had to say about Rail Travel in 1959. Please visit and Enjoy ! Stan -- *********************************************************** STAN'S RAILPIX-- Railroad Photo Gallery ! http://www.trainweb.com/railpix ****************************************************** Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it !! *********************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: CENTGA Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:26:02 EST Subject: Model Power Sharks Content-Length: 577 I came across a set of repowered, undec sharks at a train show. How accurate are the bodies of the Model Power sharks for PRR modeling purposes? Thanks Todd Horton ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: Model Power Sharks Date: Sat, 3 Jan 98 08:03:48 -0400 From: Jerry Content-Length: 1195 On 1/3/98 2:26 AM, CENTGA (CENTGA@aol.com) wrote: >I came across a set of repowered, undec sharks at a train show. How accurate >are the bodies of the Model Power sharks for PRR modeling purposes? If I recall, from earlier discussions, they are not bad for RF-15/16. However, that means freight service, so they need repainted in DGLE. The passenger sharks were RF-20, and were longer to accomodate the generator. Passenger sharks, I think, are yet to be produced in non-brass. I've got two powered and two unpowered sharks awaiting the DGLE repaint. ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton "Keystone Crossings" http://prr.dsop.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gripp, William [NCS]" Subject: FS: Model Power Sharks Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:10:58 -0500 Content-Length: 578 Speaking of MP/Roco sharks, if anyone is looking for any A units, I have access to an AA Powered/Dummy set. Contact wgripp@prius.jnj.com via email if interested. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:51:35 -0500 From: Kent Loudon Subject: Re: PRR-Talk Digest - 01/03/98 Content-Length: 724 Although I enjoy browsing this info, I am not into modelling. It is frustrating that much of the info in these postings pertains only to model railroading, and would like to know if it is possible to receive only historical/prototype messages ? - Kent Loudon, Somerville, NJ 10:40 03-Jan-98 via OzWin 2.14 ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SUVCW ORR Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:59:32 EST Subject: Re: X-26 Content-Length: 1010 In a message dated 98-01-01 21:26:25 EST, bubbles@visi.net writes: << Don't forget Accurail makes a kit for the USRA derived X-26 boxcar... I have one of them and it is nice...you would have to weather it a lot for fifties use as they were getting old by then but the PRR still had a lot of them then.... >> Sorry. The Accurail car is a Canadian clone of the USRA and is very different from the PRR X26 USRA car or any other US roads USRA car. Just because they letter it for PRR doesn't make it so. For PRR X26 cars Tichy USRA kit is the closest kit available. Rich Orr ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 12:39:16 -0500 From: bobsin@nac.net Subject: Re: Modeling ideas Content-Length: 826 Mark said he was interested in a track plan based on Zoo Interocking. This goes way back, but Model Railroader once published a track plan based on Zoo Interlocking. This might be around 1960 plus or minus five years. As I recall it had a staging loop running around the room with tracks feeding into Zoo from all appropriate directions. If you haven't seen this, sounds like you need to! John Bobsin ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: Northern Central P-Trains in 1954? Date: Sat, 3 Jan 98 13:59:18 -0400 From: Jerry Content-Length: 1179 On 12/31/97 7:02 PM, Drew R. McGhee (drm6@psu.edu) wrote: >According to April 1956 _Official guide_, ... Okay, what is the "Official Guide"? Is it the "Official Guide to the Railways" that I often see for sale on eBay? If so, I gather it is a compendium of all railroads equipment, routes, or some sort of thing. Was it passenger only? How often was it published? How does this compare to an "ORER" that I often see references to? What is that? I'll add these definitions to the Glossary FAQ on "KC" when I get them back. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton "Keystone Crossings" http://prr.dsop.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Alco PA's on the NCR? Date: Sat, 3 Jan 98 14:21:21 -0400 From: Jerry Content-Length: 1178 Does anyone know if Alco passenger PA units ever ran on the Northern Central Branch between Harrisburg and Baltimore? Gunnarson's book on the NCR doesn't show any. E's and Centipedes were plentiful (in addition to many K4's and the only two K5's). Coloroso's book on the Elmira Branch (which was synonymous with the northern part of the NCR) shows PA's in service there. Since I only model the "southern end" of the line, I don't know if I should be picking up a set of P2K PA's when they inevitably come out in PRR paint. Many thanks! ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton "Keystone Crossings" http://prr.dsop.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 11:08:51 -0800 From: ironhorse@sprintmail.com Subject: Re: Model Power Sharks Content-Length: 2028 Jerry wrote: > > On 1/3/98 2:26 AM, CENTGA (CENTGA@aol.com) wrote: > > >I came across a set of repowered, undec sharks at a train show. How accurate > >are the bodies of the Model Power sharks for PRR modeling purposes? > > If I recall, from earlier discussions, they are not bad for RF-15/16. > However, that means freight service, so they need repainted in DGLE. > > The passenger sharks were RF-20, and were longer to accomodate the > generator. > > Passenger sharks, I think, are yet to be produced in non-brass. > > I've got two powered and two unpowered sharks awaiting the DGLE repaint. > > ----------------------------------------------- > Jerry Britton > "Keystone Crossings" http://prr.dsop.com/ > Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! > ----------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". > Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". Jerry, A friendly correction; the longer PRR passenger sharks were PRR class BP-20, not RF-20. Also, I recall about four or five years ago seeing a few ads in MR for plastic BP-20 A-units at about $275.00 each. Had I not just blown all my available loot on brass ones by Oriental about five months before, I would have ordered a couple. Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 14:31:10 -0500 From: Dan Cupper Subject: Re: Northern Central P-Trains in 1954? Content-Length: 1761 > Okay, what is the "Official Guide"? > > Is it the "Official Guide to the Railways" that I often see for sale on eBay? Correct -- it is the Official Guide of the Railways, or, its full name is "The Official Guide of the Railways and Steam Navigation Lines of the United States, Puerto Rico, Canada, Mexico and Cuba" In its classic form, it's a list of all common-carrier railroads, along with their addresses, officers, interchange points, and passenger (and sometimes freight) schedules. It was issued monthly, and every small-town station had one on hand for reference in travel planning, and billing freight waybill, car-repair, and per-diem charges. Later it was split into freight and passenger versions. With the rapid proliferation of short line spin-offs, mergers, etc., it is often not completely up to date. ORER is the Official Railway Equipment Register, which is a listing of all freight cars, by railroad, with the capacities, weights, reporting marks and numbers, and any special modifications or equipment -- int he case of PRR, it also listed PRR freight-car classes. Beginning in 1943, a similar publication existed for passenger equipment, called the Official Register of Passenger Train Equipment. It did not list PRR classifications. Dan Cupper Dan Cupper cupper@ibm.net Psalm 84:5 ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 15:09:44 -0500 From: Stephen Bartlett Subject: Re: Northern Central P-Trains in 1954? Content-Length: 2214 Jerry wrote: > > Okay, what is the "Official Guide"? > > Is it the "Official Guide to the Railways" that I often see for sale on > eBay? Yes, the same. > > If so, I gather it is a compendium of all railroads equipment, routes, or > some sort of thing. Was it passenger only? How often was it published? > It was a collection of all the schedules as given in the railroads' public timetables, plus the timetable route maps, lists of the officers and management of the companies. The train makeup as far as passenger accomodations was also listed. If the railroad published any freight schedules in the public TT then these would generally be there also. The index of stations in the back of the book lists, by towns, all the railroads in that town, what stations used, if more than one, their distances from each other, and indicates freight-only towns. It is an extremely valuable reference itself. It was published monthly, used by ticket agents, travel agents, various and railroad offices. The railroads subscribed to large numbers of them and usually had official distribution lists whereby the old copies would be forwarded to locations/employees with lesser need for the latest issue. Needless to say, it became much thinner as passenger service declined. I doubt if it has been published since Amtrak began operation, but it may have lingered. I don't know. At times ocean line companies and airlines were included. > How does this compare to an "ORER" that I often see references to? What > is that? ORER is _The Official Railway Equipment Register_, giving physical specifications for freight cars and some passenger oriented cars. _The Official Register Of Passenger Train Equipment_ does the same for passenger cars. Steve Bartlett ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 15:14:29 -0500 From: Stephen Bartlett Subject: Re: Modeling ideas Content-Length: 1169 bobsin@nac.net wrote: > > Mark said he was interested in a track plan based > on Zoo Interocking. > > This goes way back, but Model Railroader once published > a track plan based on Zoo Interlocking. This might be around > 1960 plus or minus five years. As I recall it had a staging > loop running around the room with tracks feeding into Zoo from > all appropriate directions. If you haven't seen this, sounds > like you need to! > It was in the December, 1958, Model Railroader. It was an interesting plan for train running, but would be a huge project to put into modular form except as a dedicated, sectional design. (It would be a stretch to build it as a typical modular display with domino sections end-to-end). Steve Bartlett ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Liberty" Subject: Castings Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:11:54 -0500 Content-Length: 1095 I wanted to let you all know, that on Page 7 in the FEB. issue of "Model Railroader", there is a spot in "New Products" for 'Imperial Hobby Productions'. In this is a photo, albeit small, of a couple of the castings we do for this company. The floor on the rear most pc. is actually seperate as well, but the photo doesn't show this. Just wanted to you to know, as I many of you have been probably wondering about the level of casting quality we may have. Would also like to say THANK YOU !! To Jerry and all the rest of you guys who have taken the time to drop me a line with suggestions, comments and general support ! Thanks, Joe Zappa, Liberty Model Productions ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Da72jmk Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:00:11 EST Subject: Re: Alco PA's on the NCR? Content-Length: 898 In a message dated 98-01-03 14:35:02 EST, jerry@dsop.com writes: << Does anyone know if Alco passenger PA units ever ran on the Northern Central Branch between Harrisburg and Baltimore? ... Caloroso's book on the Elmira Branch (which was synonymous with the northern part of the NCR) shows PA's in service there. >> Note that the PA units in Caloroso's book are shown in pusher service, after they were regeared. Passenger power on the Branch was primarily GP7. John Keel ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Da72jmk Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:07:38 EST Subject: Re: Official Guide - Was: Northern Central P-Trains in 1954? Content-Length: 1339 I have an Official Railway Guide from November 1974 that lists Amtrak, Southern, Rio Grande, and Autotrain; as well as a number of Canadian and Mexican lines. Remember that those railroads initially declined the invitation to join Amtrak. I don't know how long after this date the Official Guide was published. John Keel In a message dated 98-01-03 15:14:53 EST, sbartlet@capecod.net writes: << "Official Guide to the Railways" ... was published monthly, used by ticket agents, travel agents, various and railroad offices. The railroads subscribed to large numbers of them and usually had official distribution lists whereby the old copies would be forwarded to locations/employees with lesser need for the latest issue. Needless to say, it became much thinner as passenger service declined. I doubt if it has been published since Amtrak began operation, but it may have lingered. I don't know. >> ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: BBReynolds Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:24:32 EST Subject: Re: NG 150 years CDs was Re: What did Santa bring you? Content-Length: 1504 In a message dated 97-12-28 13:32:46 EST, Drew wrote: << Subj: NG 150 years CDs was Re: What did Santa bring you? Date: 97-12-28 13:32:46 EST Speaking of things that Santa may have brought you, did anyone get the National Geographic 150 years CDrom set? No I haven't gotten it, yet. The bursar here says we have to wait until we both get our next paychecks (This week!). Now from what I understand, the NG Society is selling the set for $180.00. They have it here at Sam's for $150.00. With my luck they'll be out of them by the the time I get over there to buy them. Thought the group might like to know about them and that Sam's has'em. Should I get them this week, will provide a report to the group, if no one else does first. Drew R. McGhee Altoona, PA >> CompUSA has them at 149.99; not going to buy until they include the "supplemental maps"; say hello to the bursar for me, you introduced at one of the PSU RR history conferences maybe six/seven years ago. Bruce B. Reynolds, Trailing Edge Technologies, Glenside PA and Niles IL ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 23:22:15 -0600 From: Sample Subject: Moly-XL Powder Content-Length: 1003 Hi Gang Has anyone ever used Moly-XL moly powder for modeling purposes? I used it to change the color of the grils on my F7 looks pretty good. It also helps with sticky couples. If used on trucks it falls off trucks and leaves a dusting of the tracks that is much like real tracks. Finality found a number 76 drill bit at Train Source in Houston. I added to hand rails to my F7 on the noise of the cab that Walters didn't show. Does anyone have suggestions on how to fill in the light lens on the access door so that it will look like a PRR F7? Eric Sample janeric@InfoCom.net ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 23:32:12 -0600 From: Sample Subject: Moly-XL powder Content-Length: 1014 Hi Gang Has anyone ever used Moly-XL moly powder for modeling purposes? I used it to change the color of the grils on my F7 looks pretty good. It also helps with sticky couples. If used on trucks it falls off trucks and leaves a dusting of the tracks that is much like real tracks. Finally found a number 76 drill bit at Train Source in Houston. I added two hand rails to my F7 on the nose of the cab that Walters didn't show. Does anyone have suggestions on how to fill in the light lens on the access door in the nose so that it will look like a PRR F7? Eric Sample janeric@InfoCom.net ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 23:54:41 -0600 From: Sample Subject: Bell on F7 Content-Length: 1384 Hi Gang Does anyone know where the bell was located on the F7? Also interested in the horn mounting. Athearn F7 engine has two horns. While Pennsy II doesn't show this clearly would one be faceing to the rear? Or did the F7 operate in ABA and AA lash ups so that horns faced rear on one engine and forward on the other? Extra, just found a North American Dispatch, Pluto Water wood side refrigerator car #5210 from Athearn. Of all places in Houston Texas. Have any of the Lines West guys ever checked out French Lick Springs Hotel in French Lick, Indiana? Home of Larry Bird. While the mainline at French Lick was the Monon they would have handed off cars at Gosport or Lafayette to the PRR. There was also an other line out the Southwest end of the city with a tunnel about 1/2 mile long. It was still in use in 1990. My car may have a spelling error. It reads, (North American Despatch) should this be Dispatch? Eric Sample janeric@InfoCom.net ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Hal6963 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 05:43:09 EST Subject: French Lick was Bell on F7 Content-Length: 595 According to "Railroads of Indiana" French Lick was served by the Monon via a branch from Orleans and the Southern RR by its tourist affiliate the French Lick, West Baden and Southern. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: Alco PA's on the NCR? Date: Sun, 4 Jan 98 09:17:10 -0400 From: Jerry Content-Length: 1331 On 1/4/98 9:35 AM, N Campbell (rncamp@harford.campus.mci.net) wrote: >I"ve seen a photo of PAs on the NC in York Pa. The picture shows A ABA set >pulling a train of mostly head end equipment. One A unit is painted DGLE >with single freight stripe the B unit was Tuscan with single broad stripe >and the second Aunit was Tuscan with 5 stripe. The photo was taken by the >father of the President of the PRRT&HS NC Chapter, and it hangs in his >basement. The PA's on the NCR in NY tended to be in helper service. Were any used on passenger trains on the Baltimore-Harrisburg trick was the original question. Interestingly, Coloroso's book shows an F7B in Tuscan five-stripe in freight service! ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton "Keystone Crossings" http://prr.dsop.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "N Campbell" Subject: Re: Alco PA's on the NCR? Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 08:35:21 -0500 Content-Length: 2203 Jerry, I"ve seen a photo of PAs on the NC in York Pa. The picture shows A ABA set pulling a train of mostly head end equipment. One A unit is painted DGLE with single freight stripe the B unit was Tuscan with single broad stripe and the second Aunit was Tuscan with 5 stripe. The photo was taken by the father of the President of the PRRT&HS NC Chapter, and it hangs in his basement. Travel by Rail Neil Campbell -----Original Message----- From: Jerry To: PRR-Talk Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 2:39 PM Subject: Alco PA's on the NCR? >Does anyone know if Alco passenger PA units ever ran on the Northern >Central Branch between Harrisburg and Baltimore? > >Gunnarson's book on the NCR doesn't show any. E's and Centipedes were >plentiful (in addition to many K4's and the only two K5's). > >Coloroso's book on the Elmira Branch (which was synonymous with the >northern part of the NCR) shows PA's in service there. > >Since I only model the "southern end" of the line, I don't know if I >should be picking up a set of P2K PA's when they inevitably come out in >PRR paint. Many thanks! > >----------------------------------------------- >Jerry Britton >"Keystone Crossings" http://prr.dsop.com/ >Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! >----------------------------------------------- > > >------------------------------------------------------------- >Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". >Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. >------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". > ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 09:24:32 -0500 From: Stephen Bartlett Subject: Re: Moly-XL Powder Content-Length: 1801 Sample wrote: > > Has anyone ever used Moly-XL moly powder for modeling purposes? I used > it to change the color of the grils on my F7 looks pretty good. It also > helps with sticky couples. If used on trucks it falls off trucks and > leaves a dusting of the tracks that is much like real tracks. Eric, I haven't used it, but molybdenum disulphide makes a VERY slippery lube powder, probably more so than the graphite powder sold by Kadee. Kadee's, BTW, is a bit coarser than the same material from a hardware store. Graphite is a conductor (carbon) and can cause shorting, or at least, current leakage, across wheel insulators. I am not sure about Moly compounds. You may lube your track as well, so watch out for loss of traction. > Does anyone have suggestions on how to fill in the light lens on the access door so that it will look like a PRR F7? > Readily available in hobby shops is "Squadron Green Putty," also made in red, and a similar Testor's product. It is a body filler with a lacquer solvent type base that hardens by evaporation, and is the de facto standard for filling holes in plastic and other model materials. Dries hard, not sticky when dry, sands smooth, holds paint, etc. Put a patch behind the hole and fill with a couple of applications to get a flush surface. It may shrink slightly whon drying. Steve Bartlett ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Liberty" Subject: Re: fillers Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:44:26 -0500 Content-Length: 2628 Just a note on fillers... In recent post, Stephen Bartlett mentions Green Stuff putty, and accordingly about shrinkage.... Green Stuff is very annoying to me, so I would suggest using acc (super glue) and plastic or better yet, balsa wood dust. Sand balsa wood into a pile ( I have a jar full ) and use your x-acto knife blade to pick some up, and place it in the hole. You can do this fairly neatly as the dust will compact. Then carefully drip a drop of super glue on to it from directly above. this will cure very fast and be very hard. Repeat as neccessary to fill slightly above level desired. When you sand down, use a ridgid foam core sanding board or files, as the filler will be harder than the surrounding material. You can get a high polish finish with this if desired, and if patient, can fill some very large areas. BTW- the sanding boards can be had fairly cheaply in the beauty supply sections at most stores, and in varying grades of coarseness. Try it, you might like it !! Joe Zappa >>> SNIP <<< ---------- > From: Stephen Bartlett > To: PRR-Talk@dsop.com >>> SNIP <<< > > Does anyone have suggestions on how to fill in the light lens on the access door so that it will look like a PRR F7? > > > Readily available in hobby shops is "Squadron Green Putty," also made > in red, and a similar Testor's product. It is a body filler with a > lacquer solvent type base that hardens by evaporation, and is the de > facto standard for filling holes in plastic and other model materials. > Dries hard, not sticky when dry, sands smooth, holds paint, etc. Put a > patch behind the hole and fill with a couple of applications to get a > flush surface. It may shrink slightly whon drying. > > Steve Bartlett > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". > Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 11:38:43 -0500 From: "Drew R. McGhee" Subject: Official Guide vs ORER was Re: Northern Central P-Trains in 1954? Content-Length: 2852 Greetings to Jerry and the group, The _Official Guide of the Railways and Steam Navigation Lines of the US, Porto (that's the way it's spelled on the cover) Rico, Cananda, Mexico and Cuba_ is its complete name. Most people just call it the Official Guide. It is probably what you see for sale at eBay. It was published monthly according to the cover of the November 1955 and April 1956 copy I have. It included air line and shipping schedules and station locations of freight only lines. My April 1956 copy has the Andrea Doria and Stolkholm listed. The ORER and the Official Guide differ greatly. The Official Guide is geared toward schedules of passenger carrying ships, planes and trains. It also identifies station so you can determine if you can ship something from point A to point B. The ORER is more geared to what you would ship that something in. It lists railway equipment available for interchange service on member railroads, the dimensions, car numbers and any special equipment the a car may have. The ORER also shows freight interchange points and has the interchange rules in effect when published. This is great for operations oriented modelers. According to the NMRA reprint of the January 1953 ORER I have, it was printed quarterly. Passenger equipment was included in the ORERs until 1943. After that a separate _Register of Passenger Train Equipment_ was printed. I have never seen one of these for sale. Maybe the NMRA could do a reprint of one of these too. I can't remember what the ORER reprint cost. It should still be available from the NMRA. For 1950s vintage Official Guides, you should be able to pick one up for less than $20.00 at train shows. As for passenger equipment that it lists, it just lists the type of car service typically assigned to that train not the specific class or number. The Official Guide schedule and train equipment pages pages look exactly like the public timetables, at least as far as the PRR is concerned. Drew R. McGhee Altoona, PA At 01:59 PM 1/3/98 -0400, Jerry wrote: >Okay, what is the "Official Guide"? > >Is it the "Official Guide to the Railways" that I often see for sale on >eBay? > >If so, I gather it is a compendium of all railroads equipment, routes, or >some sort of thing. Was it passenger only? How often was it published? > >How does this compare to an "ORER" that I often see references to? What >is that? ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 11:38:58 -0500 From: "Drew R. McGhee" Subject: Have NG 108 Years CD Rom Set! Content-Length: 2436 Greetings to the group, Went out and got the National Gepgraphic CD Rom set on Friday. Is it worth $150.00? YES! Can't wait for Smithsonion to come out with a set of CDs Here the details. The box says it needs at least a 486 DX 33 MHz to run. It runs fine and is stable on my 486SX 25 MHz. There are some Quick Time movies when you start and stop the program. These are just ads. They run a bit choppy at times. This is probably why they recommended the 33 MHz DX. The whole thing seems to be written in HTML. Each individual page is a JPEG image. Monitor resolution is good when zoomed in. (Have VGA monitor which is what is recommended.) Wouldn't want to spend hours reading off the screen though. Yes, you can import images into a photo manipulation program. Since the entire page is a JPEG, you should be able to convert it to a TIFF file, import into Acrobat and make a PDF file out of it (better printer output this way). Haven't tried that yet but I did take an ad and print out, in color, an HO sized billboard copy of it! The problem is finding the right page. You sort of have to guess a few time to get the right one when looking at the CD files from, say, Photoshop. But it works! The search engine works extremely well. Keyword searches can be done on ads, captions and articles. You can put a word in and, if you desire, it will list every page that the word appears. It takes a min of 10 Megs for the simple set up. If you go this route your searchs will be limited by having to swap CDs. If you have 100 megs to spare, the search goes extremily fast. The only down side for me is the speed. On my machine waiting for the pages to come up is reeeeeaaaaal slow! For you Mac types it wants sytem 7.5 or better and a 68030 33 MHz processor. Again having 100 megs available will greatly help searches. Will try it on my Power Mac at work next week. If I have any problems on the Mac side, I'll let you know. Should be a whole lot faster at work. Drew R. McGhee Altoona, PA ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 17:08:23 +0000 From: Doug Drew Subject: PRR diesel assignments (was: Alco PA's on the NCR?) Content-Length: 1473 Further to this subject about what diesels ran on which lines, there is a print of a painting advertised in the January TRAINS (p.92) showing a centipede set at Renovo. I never knew they were allowed to roam that far off the Philadelphia-Chicago main, when they were downgraded from 6000 to 5000 hp, once they were pulled from passenger service. I have only seen photos of them in helper service, either pushing on the Pittsburgh division or pushing import ore trains up Devon hill. Is this painting accurate, in terms of centipedes being assigned to pull freight trains on the Northern region? Was this an interim measure, done after they were taken off passenger trains, but before they were downrated and regeared for helper service? Were they assigned to other regions or divisions as well, such as pulling ore trains from Cleveland to Pittsburgh, or coal from Columbus to Sandusky? I don't own any of the Pennsy Diesel Years books, which may have answered this question. Thanks in advance for any help on this. -- Doug Drew ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: VVA249 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:29:37 EST Subject: "0" Gauge FOM Content-Length: 637 Was at a primarily Lionel / 3 rail train show this AM saw an 8 car set of PRR "fleet of modernism" on shorty passenger cars by K-Line "list was $ 60 per car - actuall selling price at show was about $ 45 each Dick Ross ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: PRRMAN Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:35:32 EST Subject: Re: Official Guide - Was: Northern Central P-Trains in 1954? Content-Length: 2445 In a message dated 98-01-03 20:26:41 EST, Da72jmk@aol.com writes: >I doubt if it has been published since Amtrak began operation, but it > may have lingered. I don't know. >> After Amtrak's inception, the Guide was divided into passenger and freight books. The passenger version continued to be issued monthly, with an occasional 2-month issue, until early in 1983. At that time, an agreement was made between Amtrak and the publisher, and the Official Guide also became Amtrak's printed tariff. (Keep in mind that, by 1983, almost every Amtrak facility had all necessary tariff information in the computer. But there were a few small stations, and lots of travel agents, who didn't. And the book came in very handy when the computers went down, or to look up "old" fares and rules.) The Official Guide, suddenly much thicker--but not nearly as thick as the pre-1965 books--would be re-issued whenever Amtrak had a general tariff change. Two or three books would be issued in a typical year. They continued to carry schedules for all North American passenger railroads (although the commuter schedules only provided station names and the approximate frequency of service to each). They experimented with condensed European/Asian schedules for a while. Some time in late 1985 or early 1986, National Railway Publications Corp., the long-time publisher of the Guide, was replaced by an outfit called International Thomson Transport Press. I don't know whether this was a merger, purchase, or what. There has not been a printed Amtrak system tariff since about 1993. (Sorry I can't be exact, but the last 7 or 8 books are at work, and I'm at home). Those were good years for me. My job required that I have the current published tariff available, and also that I dispose of old tariffs when no longer needed. So guess what I have in my attic? But I would gladly trade most of those dozens of modern Official Guides for a few good, solid ones from the 1920's through 50's. Rich Copeland ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:40:47 -0500 From: Kent Loudon Subject: Re: PRR-Talk Digest - 01/04/98 Content-Length: 826 Reply to John Keel's message Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:00:11 EST Re: Alco PA's on the NCR? >>Passenger power on the (Northern Central) Branch was primarily GP7.<< I was employed by Penn Central just after the merger. Prior to its demise, the Washington/Baltimore connection to the Broadway consisted of one ragged-looking E8 and a single coach ! - Kent Loudon, Somerville, NJ 12:57 04-Jan-98 via OzWin 2.14 ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 14:23:48 -0600 From: Bob Webber Subject: Re: Official Guide vs ORER was Re: Northern Central P-Trains in Content-Length: 1182 A Passenger equipment was included in the ORERs until 1943. >After that a separate _Register of Passenger Train Equipment_ was printed. >I have never seen one of these for sale. Maybe the NMRA could do a reprint >of one of these too. I can't remember what the ORER reprint cost. It should >still be available from the NMRA. I have a '43, '53, '68 and '71 passenger registers. I have never seen one for sale, I got mine from my father (who at one time worked in the traffic department of the PRR - among other entities). If there is interest, I can scan a PRR page from one of them and post it on my web site if the scan looks any good. Bob Webber PS If anyone is interested in the PRR pages, I could copy a few and fax them - let me know if interested ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 14:28:52 -0600 From: Bob Webber Subject: Re: Have NG 108 Years CD Rom Set! Content-Length: 1430 At 11:38 AM 1/4/98 -0500, Drew R. McGhee wrote: >Greetings to the group, > >Went out and got the National Gepgraphic CD Rom set on Friday. Is it worth >$150.00? YES! Can't wait for Smithsonion to come out with a set of CDs I got mine at Sam's. The nice thing about the search is that in addition to the topic of an ad, it will show the company. For instance, a railroad ad with Colorado on it could be from any number of companies (D&RGW, CB&Q, MP, RI, UP,etc.). When you look on the search screen, you see that that specific ad was for the CRIP. Some for the PRR as well. I was somewhat disappointed at the dearth of railroad articles, but you really have to spend a little time in getting your search right. I have a P166 with well over a couple of gig of disk free (scsi) and 96 mb of RAM - and the search is very fast, and the articles come up very quickly. I wish there was a way to escape out of the stupid ads in front (for Kodak), there may be, but I haven't found it yet. Bob Webber ------------------------------------------------------------- Your company's ad here supports "PRR-Talk" and "Keystone Crossings". Please contact jerry@dsop.com for more information. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 14:38:13 -0600 From: Bob Webber Subject: GATS Content-Length: 1694 Every month, we have a Great American Train Show here in Chicagoland. It is usually quite large (700 + Tables) and the stuff on sale ranges from Lionel & American Flyer, to scale brass, to beanie babies, to books, to videos, to photos, to... >From "listening" in on the modeling conversations, it seems like some people may have trouble finding certain items at good prices. I know that there is one vendor who always has the P2K stuff at very reaonable prices. I am plannin