Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 00:08:40 -0500 From: Jerry Shickler Subject: Re: E7s in Brunswick Green Content-Length: 1753 Drye, John wrote: > > Who is the manufacturer of the upcoming E7s? What scale? (As an > N-Scaler, I'm used to assuming HO in lieu of specific information to > the contrary, but I'm always optimistic ) > I didn't even notice that the post on rec.models.railroad left out the gauge. I just assumed HO. I checked the hobby shop's website and got the following info: >PROTO-2000 - HO >Proto-2000 has announced the road names for the fourth run of the E-7A >and E-7B >locomotives. As far as quantities, we quote from the Life-Like release >letter. "Due to >component availability these locomotives will be even more ‘limited’ >run than normal". >We will offer a 20% discount for models ordered by November 19th. >Please E-MAIL for >complete details. A deposit IS required to obtain the discount. > > E-7A Powered Locomotives > ... > PRR (#5841A & #5848A) - Brunswick Green w/5 Stripes > ... >E-7B Dummy Locomotive > ... > PRR (#5844B & #5853B) - Brunswick Green w/5 Stripes > ... >Delivery is scheduled for February. Prices will be $90.00 per E-7A and >$45.00 per E-7B. This is from the 'Railroad Telegraph' just posted at http://www.walston1.com/trains which Jerry Britton has been reproducing on Keystone Crossings. BTW, P2K is short for Life Like's Proto 2000 line. -- Jerry Shickler e-mail: geshick@velocity.net ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 01:07:36 -0500 From: Jerry Shickler Subject: Re: E7s in Brunswick Green Content-Length: 724 Roger Elliott wrote: > > Hello John and others,I'm also an N-thusiast. I would like to verify if > E7's were ever painted in PRR Green (or Brunswick or DGLE, etc.). > ... Yes. They were delived in that scheme. Passenger diesels on PRR were painted tuscan beginning in August of '52. -- Jerry Shickler e-mail: geshick@velocity.net ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:17:48 -0600 (CST) From: rboydrrs@inlink.com (Robert A. Boyd) Subject: Ok Tom, you win Content-Length: 1684 Hello All, A brief note on doings at "The Limited" web site: Just wanted to say that, having received an impassioned endorsement of Lines West from Tom Vondroska, I have come around to his point of view: or to be more precise, the volume of material I have received from PRR folks has pushed the download size of "The Race To Chicago" to unwieldy proportions. So I have broken the page up into three sub-pages: Page 1: PRR (of course) Page 2: NYC Page 3: B&O - Erie Lackawanna. It also looks like the PRR will have a page all to itself on "The Eastern Corridor" as well. However, don't think that there is no room for contributing researchers! The route topics are in good shape, but there is still plenty of material needed for the individual trains. Also: thanks to all who have dropped by the site. NOTE: we finally whipped the problem with the Public Opinion Poll. If you had given us a POLL early on, the results were lost (evidently configuring a new web site involves a lot of prodding and poking to get it just so). So if you had sent in a POLL, I hope you will do so again. Well, no rest for the wicked. 39 pages up, only 24 to go before 1/1/98! (sigh) Until next, Bob Those Classic Trains "The Limited" http://www.thoseclassictrains.com ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 21:46:03 -0500 From: Jerry Shickler Subject: Badger ModelFlex Pennsy colors Content-Length: 790 I was looking at the colors for Badger's ModelFlex paints, and I saw the following which could be appropriate for PRR: 16-13 Dark Tuscan Oxide Red 16-14 Light Tuscan Oxide Red 16-15 Maroon Tuscan Oxide Red 16-16 Brunswick Green 16-21 Pennsy Green 16-22 Pennsy Maroon Does anyone know which would be proper for Pennsy Tuscan & DGLE? Thanks! -- Jerry Shickler e-mail: geshick@velocity.net ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:57:46 -0500 (EST) From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Subject: Re: Badger ModelFlex Pennsy colors Content-Length: 801 In a message dated 97-11-01 21:47:15 EST, you write: << 16-13 Dark Tuscan Oxide Red post 1952 cars should be browner 16-14 Light Tuscan Oxide Red Freigth cars prior to 1952 16-15 Maroon Tuscan Oxide Red close to marine (tug boats) equipment 16-16 Brunswick Green DGLE 16-21 Pennsy Green inteior of locomotive cabs --steam 16-22 Pennsy Maroon Fleet of Modernism window band >> Rich Orr ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: right of way From: rangertaz@juno.com Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 15:43:50 EST Content-Length: 569 Does anyone know the right of way property line between the rail road and the Brick Yard at Cobern? I've heard they now are arresting rail fans for trespassing. Thanks, Ranger ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:51:10 -0500 (EST) From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Subject: Re: E7s in Brunswick Green Content-Length: 964 In a message dated 97-11-01 00:39:56 EST, relliott@mail.telis.org writes: << Hello John and others,I'm also an N-thusiast. I would like to verify if E7's were ever painted in PRR Green (or Brunswick or DGLE, etc.). While I'm thinking of it, where can I get plans or drawings of the Steam Turbine S-2? I have photos and an HO model in brass, but I'd like to find the plans/dimensions, etc. Thanks, Roger Elliott >> Roger: The E-7 and E-8 locomotives were delivered in DGLE 5 stripe. The change to Tuscan 5 stripe began in the summer of 1952. Rich Orr ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:28:48 -0500 (EST) From: JDPanza@aol.com Subject: Re: right of way Content-Length: 635 I believe Ranger is refering to the "Brick Yard" crossing on the former PRR west of Altoona. I also believe it is in Logan Township. Any of the Altoona subscribers know anything about railfans being run off this area even if they stay off the tracks? ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Duplicates Query 11/3/97 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 97 10:32:28 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 1604 I no longer need "detailed" reports of whether or not duplicates are getting out. That, is, I don't need to know whose message duplicated, how many times you got it, what times, etc. However, due to some "timing-related" settings changes made recently, I do welcome alerts as to whether or not you are still receiving dupes. The latest changes were made last evening, Nov. 2. A good test is whether or not you receive multiples of this message. As previously stated, we now know what is causing it. I believe that, in all cases, it involves subscribers where there are multiple subscribers at the same domain. AOL.COM is most heavily affected. A side note: Jerry Jordak's address is causing come problem. His e-mail domain is "SMELLYCAT.COM" but seems to be hosted at "PROZAC.xxx.EDU" (I forget the middle off hand). His server is accepting a connection but refusing the mail. Does anyone know if he has changed addresses or not? It does but added "stress" on the server to keep trying. --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: Re: right of way (fwd) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 10:09:14 EST Content-Length: 827 > I believe Ranger is refering to the "Brick Yard" crossing on the former PRR > west of Altoona. I also believe it is in Logan Township. Any of the Altoona > subscribers know anything about railfans being run off this area even if they > stay off the tracks? SHould be simple to find out. Go to the county and get a property tax map. Stick it in the Conrail cop's face when they try to arrest you. -- Mark D. Bej bejm@eeg.ccf.org ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Send Commands to ListServ in SUBJECT line Date: Mon, 3 Nov 97 12:52:52 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 1606 When sending commands to the listserv (Subscribe, Subscribe Digest, Unsubscribe, Info, Lists, etc.), please put the command in the SUBJECT line and leave the BODY empty. Though the listserv was designed to accept via the SUBJECT field or the BODY, we have discovered that some of the newer MIME-enabled mail clients insert some lines into the BODY before the text that the author actually enters. Because this data is not seen as a command by the listserv, the request is rejected. I will be updating the instructions in the HELP file as well as on the Web pages, as soon as I can find the time. This problem has frustrated many people, including myself because I could not reproduce it. I'm just glad that now we know what is causing it. BTW: I've been monitoring the server logs and am not seeing the timeouts that were causing the dupes. Has anyone received any dupes today that were posted today? (There may be dupes in the pipeline from earlier, so please check the posting date.) --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 12:14:29 -0500 From: Drew McGhee Subject: Re: right of way (fwd) Content-Length: 1839 Greetings to the group, Didn't catch the original post but the brickyard crossing is in fact in Logan Twp. in an area called Coburn. There is a wide area to park your car between the brick yard and the crossing on the south side of the tracks. I have never been hassled by Conrail police there but have been hassled by them in an area that was not in fact Conrail property. (Then there was that time I had two bus loads of participants of a conference here at PSU Altoona. I was taking them on a photo tour of the main line from Spruce Creek to Cresson. Seems a couple of them got a bit over excited and walked to MO tower against the instructions given to the group. The tower called the CR police. We weren't hard to miss in those big busses. But that's another story for another time.) Can't think of why they would bother anyone at the brickyard nor have I heard of anyone ever having any problems there. Drew R. McGhee Altoona, PA (Technically, I'm in Logan Twp. too.) >> I believe Ranger is refering to the "Brick Yard" crossing on the former PRR >> west of Altoona. I also believe it is in Logan Township. Any of the Altoona >> subscribers know anything about railfans being run off this area even if they >> stay off the tracks? > >SHould be simple to find out. > >Go to the county and get a property tax map. Stick it in the Conrail cop's >face when they try to arrest you. > >-- >Mark D. Bej >bejm@eeg.ccf.org ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: This week's Trains Unlimited Date: Mon, 3 Nov 97 15:48:11 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 1001 Tonight's episode of "Trains Unlimited" (History Channel, 10 p.m. ET) is on the engineering feats of the railroads. Gotta think the Pennsy will make it in a few spots: -Horseshoe Curve -The Rockville Bridge -The Tunnels to Manhattan and Penn Station (NY) S'pose there's a chance of mention of the unique way the Pennsy linked Philly (and beyond) with Washington via the Northern Central in Baltimore. --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "David Benn" Subject: Fw: WNFR 2 bay covered hoppers Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:32:10 +0900 Content-Length: 1001 ---------- > From: Goller, Martin H > To: 'freightcars@sunny16.photo.tntech.edu' > Subject: WNFR 2 bay covered hoppers > Date: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 6:15 AM > > What is the origin of 2 bay covered hoppers with the reporting marks > WNFR? I see them in Pennsylvania in - probably - sand service, often in > sets of 4-6. I learned that WNFR is the mark for WINIFREDE RAILROAD CO. > Who built the cars? What is the number series of the cars? So far I have > seen 1002-1198. > Where is the railroad located? > > Thanks for any information, > > Martin > Gollermh@corning.com ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:01:54 -0500 (EST) From: Hal6963@aol.com Subject: Re: Lewisburg & Tyrone Content-Length: 762 My 1910 Timetable shows the following stations on the line between Lewisburg and Milesburg where it junctioned the main between Tyrone and Lock Haven: Lewisburg Vicksburg Mifflinburg Millmont Rising Spring Linden Hall Lemont Peru Axemann Bellefonte Milesburg Some of these towns do not show on my 1975 topo map of the area, possibly the names have changed. Harold ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:55:12 -0500 From: mxb13@psu.edu (Michael Bezilla) Subject: Re: Lewisburg & Tyrone Content-Length: 1727 Through traffic on the L&T never amounted to much. The Sun & Bel (Sunbury & Bellefonte) RPO came off c. 1949, tho a mixed train stayed on this route operating a Mon-Sat Sunbury to Bellefonte turnaround for a few more years--mostly gathering milk from local dairy farmers. Through service ended altogether a few years before the PC merger. The east end local from Norry went as far west as Mifflinburg. The local from Blft went as far east as Coburn. Then, in PC days, the Lemont-Coburn segment was abandoned after hurricane agnes in '72. Mike >My 1910 Timetable shows the following stations on the line between Lewisburg >and Milesburg where it junctioned the main between Tyrone and Lock Haven: >Lewisburg >Vicksburg >Mifflinburg >Millmont >Rising Spring >Linden Hall >Lemont >Peru >Axemann >Bellefonte >Milesburg >Some of these towns do not show on my 1975 topo map of the area, possibly the >names have changed. > >Harold > > >------------------------------------------------------------- >Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". >Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! >------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:06:38 -0500 (EST) From: Hal6963@aol.com Subject: Pass Traffic Altoona - Harrisburg Content-Length: 663 My 1910 timetable shows 40 passenger trains per day (20 East and 20 West) on the Mainline between Pittsburg and New York. When this is combined with local, and branch passenger trains plus all of the freight traffic Altoona surely was a busy place at that point in time. Harold ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SUVCW ORR Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:40:10 EST Subject: Re: Lewisburg & Tyrone Content-Length: 1332 In a message dated 97-11-04 10:08:38 EST, Hal6963@aol.com writes: << My 1910 Timetable shows the following stations on the line between Lewisburg and Milesburg where it junctioned the main between Tyrone and Lock Haven: Lewisburg Vicksburg Mifflinburg Millmont Rising Spring Linden Hall Lemont Peru Axemann Bellefonte Milesburg Some of these towns do not show on my 1975 topo map of the area, possibly the names have changed. Harold >> The tracks were still in place when I was attending Penn State in the late 60's. At one time this line saw considerable passenger service. Lemont was the passenger discharge point for Penn State. Lemont is on PA Rt 26 about 3 or 4 miles east of State College. I belive it was in Ridge Reiley's history of Penn STate Football that he recounted stories of the football team making their way through the snow to Lemont to board the train for away games. Rich Orr ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:10:10 -0500 From: mxb13@psu.edu (Michael Bezilla) Subject: Re: Lewisburg & Tyrone Content-Length: 1309 Rich Orr wrote: >The tracks were still in place when I was attending Penn State in the late >60's. At one time this line saw considerable passenger service. Lemont was >the passenger discharge point for Penn State. Yes, students going east left Lemont and connected to a Buffalo line train at Montandon for, say, Phila, NY, or Balto. Students heading west could leave Lemont and connect at Bellefonte with a Bald Eagle branch train to take them west to Tyrone or Altoona and another connection west, or to Lock Haven, and another connection north, e.g., to Buffalo. But most students going north or west simply went to Bellefonte to board the BE br train and did not bother with the connecting train at Lemont. However, this traffic pretty much dried up in the 1920s with the coming of autos and buses and U.S. route 322 thru State College. Then Lewistown and Tyrone became the main stations. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Harry W. Fitch IV" Subject: "Shark" photos Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:53:01 -0500 Content-Length: 813 FYI- For the person looking for "Shark" photos for a modeling project. This one has a distant shot of the rear of a freight RF16 behind the longest string of RF16's I have ever seen in one photo. http://www.mtp.semi.harris.com/tr_bo4219.jpg Look here for a Bag - O - Baldwins including PRR http://www.mtp.semi.harris.com/diesel52.html Harry W. Fitch hfitch@maranatha.net Acts 4:12 ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Harry W. Fitch IV" Subject: PRR diesels on the Internet Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:18:49 -0500 Content-Length: 868 Some diesel locomotive photos of interest to the PRR diesel fan on the Internet. http://www.mtp.semi.harris.com/tr_prr5840.jpg http://www.mtp.semi.harris.com/tr_prr9484.jpg http://www.mtp.semi.harris.com/tr_prr6200.jpg http://www.mtp.semi.harris.com/tr_prr5823.jpg http://www.mtp.semi.harris.com/tr_prr5812.jpg http://www.mtp.semi.harris.com/tr_prr5773.jpg http://www.mtp.semi.harris.com/tr_prr2010.jpg Harry W. Fitch hfitch@maranatha.net Acts 4:12 ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: RE: This week's Trains Unlimited Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 08:02:08 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 1641 On 11/4/97 3:30 PM, Doug Drew (ddrew@channing-bete.com) wrote: >I don't get the History Channel on my cable, so I didn't see this last >night. >Was the Pennsy mentioned? >The features Jerry mentioned are impressive, but even more impressive are >the electrification of the main line from New York to Washington and >Harrisburg, and the rebuilding of most of the Pittsburgh division by Cassatt, >turning a winding corkscrew of an alignment into a four-track super >railroad. However, these two items are on such a scale as to preclude >inclusion, >as they are so far-flung. Very early in the show was a segment on the Rockville Bridge. Fellow list subscriber Dan Cupper was interviewed numerous times during that and other segments. Finally, a face to the name! A lot of time was spent on the Hoosac and Moffat (?) Tunnels. Nearly the last 15 minutes were on the Horseshoe Curve, however. Good Pennsy episode. Next week focuses on another specific railroad, Wabash I believe. I'm hoping they do a full episode on our road. --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: P2K PRR E7s Selling Out!!! Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 12:01:11 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 1178 Help!...and a Warning!!! I've been dragging my feet at buying the Proto 2000 E7s. I knew I wanted them; just wasn't a "good time" to buy. I have learned that most of the distribution channel is totally out of B units and now many are actually out of A units also. Being a "limited run" from Life Like, this is it for tuscan, as the fourth run will be DGLE (February). Buy now, if you can. If anyone knows of a place that has them in stock, PLEASE let me know, both here and at "jerry@dsop.com", as I will be feverishly trying to order an ABA set this evening. Thanks. --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". 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Subject: P2K E7's in DGLE (and other product announcements) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 12:28:49 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 2278 Walther's now has part numbers for the Life-Like Proto 2000 DGLE (Brunswick Green) E7s due in March: 433-23061 PROTO 2000 Diesel E7 A Unit Powered -- H $ 90.00 03/01/1998 PRR #5841A, Brunswick Green 5-Stripe, w/o Mars Light 433-23062 PROTO 2000 Diesel E7 A Unit Powered -- H $ 90.00 03/01/1998 PRR #5848A, Brunswick Green 5-Stripe, w/o Mars Light 433-23063 PROTO 2000 Diesel E7 B Unit Dummy -- H $ 45.00 03/01/1998 PRR #5844B, Brunswick Green 5-Stripe, w/o 433-23064 PROTO 2000 Diesel E7 B Unit Dummy -- H $ 45.00 03/01/1998 PRR #5853B, Brunswick Green 5-Stripe, w/o P2K PA units are due in December, but not in Pennsy paint. 433-21609 Proto 2000 Diesel PA Powered -- H $ 95.00 12/31/1997 Undecorated, w/Mars Light and Dynamic Brakes, 45 Degree # Board 433-21631 Proto 2000 Diesel PA Powered -- H $ 95.00 12/31/1997 Undecorated, w/Mars Light and Dynamic Brakes, Original # Board 433-21632 Proto 2000 Diesel PB Dummy -- H $ 45.00 12/31/1997 Undecorated w/Dynamic Brakes 160-80031 Spectrum GE 44 Ton Diesel Switcher -- H $ 47.95 01/31/1998 PRR #9325 160-81222 Spectrum FM H16-44 Baby Trainmaster H $ 59.95 12/31/1997 Diesel Locomotive -- PRR #8810 --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: George.Pierson@trnty.edu (George Pierson) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 11:05:20 CST Subject: This and that... Content-Length: 2294 Hi, all, Let me answer one of my own questions. What color were the interior of interlocking towers on the Middle Div.? In going back through v.2 of Yanosey's PRR diesels in color, lo and behold there's a shot of ALTO's model board. The walls appear to be depot buff, or whatever PRR called the yellow they used on the exterior. Any other options you know of? RE ICC Valuation info mentioned on an earlier posting. All I can say is GREAT STUFF!!! Sometimes it's hard to locate the right things because the National Archives has not always got everything catalogued yet but it gets easier every year. Most of the basic valuation data collection occurred c. 1917 so bear that in mind. But the maps and engineering summaries are amazing in the details they reveal. You need to identify which valuation section of the PRR you're interested in - the whole rr was divided into various sections. The original field notes have not always survived, but even sumamrized data is fascinating. There are sometimes photos and drawings as well. TRIUMPH I has a number of val photos. Roberts naturally uses their poor quality to "prove" that gov't always screws up whatever it does. If Roberts had only seen other val photos, he'd know that many of them were quite good for c.1917. The quality depended on the photographic abilities of the particular field survey team. The track maps are worth trying to access because they show exact locations of track and buildings in great detail. You may have to travel to Washington, DC to use the stuff but it is really worth the trip. Has anyone seen the new book on PRR's conversion to diesel by Eric Hrsimaki (sp?)? I've seen it advertised and would like to get some feedback. PRR forever! George Sincerely, George N. Pierson, Ph.D. george.pierson@trnty.edu Dept. of Philosophy, Trinity Christian College ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: George.Pierson@trnty.edu (George Pierson) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 11:28:41 CST Subject: Re: PA Lumber Series of books Content-Length: 1827 Hi, everyone, The following message may interest some of you. Back in the 1970s, a group of railroad historians, Tom Taber III, the late Ben Kline, and the late Walter Casler, published a series of books on the logging railroads of PA. They are amazingly detailed with lots of wonderful vintage photos and locomotive rosters. They covered over 123 companies. What's this mean for SPFers? Well, many of these lines connected with the PRR and their story is part of the bigger PRR story. These books have long been out of print and used copies go for four times the prices mentioned below. If this interests, get your copies NOW while they are affordable and available. They will almost certainly not be re- printed again. >I just called the hobby shop where I got my copy of the PA Lumber book two >weeks ago. I spoke with Bud Charles, the owner of A.B. Charles & Sons Hobby >Shop in Dormont, PA - a suburb of Pittsburgh. He has been in touch with >Thomas Taber, and has arranged the reprinting of the entire thirteen volume >series. Currently about six or seven volumes are in stock, but all are on >the way. The price of each volume is $10.95 + PA sales tax. He has already >taken and fulfilled many phone orders. The hobby shop phone # is >412-561-3068. PRR forever, George Pierson Sincerely, George N. Pierson, Ph.D. george.pierson@trnty.edu Dept. of Philosophy, Trinity Christian College ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:53:48 -0500 (EST) From: Eichhorn@aol.com Subject: BH50/BP60 Questions Content-Length: 1376 Hi Gang, I have a couple of questions I hope that someone can answer for me pertaining to the Centipedes. My research indicates that the Centipedes came in different varieties; the 'normal' version and a Type II varient. The Type II came with or without both antennae and long roof vents. No problem seeing whether or not the unit has antennae or not; but, determining if the long roof vents are present is another story. Very few photos show much of the roof detail and the one that does....I can't tell whether or not, I'm looking at a 'normal' or a Type II. So, now for the questions: Is there another means of determining one "phase" from the other? Can anyone provide numbers for the Type II? The reason I ask is, I have an opportunity to purchase one or the other at a very "reasonable" price and I'd rather know something( more than I do) about the what I'm buying. Any help anyone might provide, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, George Subject: Re: P2K E7's in DGLE (and other product announcements) Content-Length: 625 > 160-81222 Spectrum FM H16-44 Baby Trainmaster H $ 59.95 12/31/1997 > Diesel Locomotive -- PRR #8810 > Note that this is not the correct body style for the H-16-44 units the PRR owned, either. -D ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Found E7s Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 20:01:57 -0400 From: Jerry Content-Length: 865 Model Train Works (Finksburg, Md.; 800-852-2441) still has P2K E7s in stock. Powered A units are $52.95; Dummy B's are $29.95. Stock is as follows: (4) #5860A (3) #5863A (3) #5856B (5) #5862B Get 'em ordered now if you want 'em! P.S. Ask for Bob. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton "Keystone Crossings" http://prr.dsop.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:08:48 -0500 From: "Larry P. Morgan" Subject: Great Book! Content-Length: 1657 I have a book to share with fellow Pennsy fans. Especially the LINES WEST group. "Railroads of Indiana" by Richard Simmons and Frances Parker is an excellent book with a lot of Pennsy and Pennsy predecessor information. It is published by Indiana University Press. As an example of a Pennsy predecessor, the Madison and Indianapolis the main pioneer railroad in Indiana. It was acquired by the PRR. The climb from Madison out of the Ohio River valley was the steepest grade in the whole Pennsy system, and this was the first real railroad in the the state. The "Madison Cut" was quite an accomplishment. Horseshoe Curve is one of the few things I have ever visited that was more impressive. The hardcover book is 320 8.5 x 11 pages with 91 B&W photos, 28 maps, and 10 figures. The book appears VERY WELL WRITTEN and VERY WELL RESEARCHED, in contrast to some others I have seen here. The book retails for $49.95, but probably can be had for the $39.95 "special promotional" price. S&H is $4.50. Call 1-800-554-7463 or write RR VENTURES PO Box 4 Bloomington IN 47402 I have no financial interest in the book. I would like to see good railroad books succeed. -- Larry Morgan lpmorgan@iquest.net Greenfield, IN (near Indianapolis) TCA/TTOS ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 01:52:35 -0800 From: Stan Feldman Subject: RAILPIX-SITE-UPDATE Content-Length: 1689 Hello all stations, I have added the following images to my site; Amtrak #938 @ 30th Street Station, Phila. Pa. Amtrak #935 @ Tacony Station, Phila. Pa. Amtrak #261 F-40-PHR @ 30th Street Station, Phila. Pa. Septa RDC at Ayres Jct. Pa. Septa RDC approaching Ayres Jct. Pa. Old Septa Southampton Station. Map of Septa Newtown Line in 1976. Old Cheltenham Station, Cheltenham Pa. Septa R-7 Train at Zoo Interlocking, Phila. Pa. Old PRR Bristol Pa. station NJT #4146 @ Race Street Engine Terminal, Phila. Pa. NJT Atlantic City Train passing Conrail local on NEC. A 1925 Railroad Safety Poster on the RailCard Page. Enjoy !! Stan *********************************************************** -----STAN'S RAILPIX---------- Railroad Photo Gallery http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/1030/railpix.html ****************************************************** Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it !! *********************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: KC Excerpts on CD, Volume II Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 08:40:51 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 1203 I am now accepting orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings". For those who weren't around for Volume I, it is a cross-platform CD-ROM containing may of the larger downloadable files available on "Keystone Crossings". The CD alleviates the need for a lengthy and oft-troublesome download, and also provides a permanent storage mechanism for the files. The price is $30, inclusive of shipping. The product will ship in December. A list of files contained on the CD, and ordering information, can be found at "Merchandise Service" at http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index.html . --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: P2K SD9? Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 09:32:19 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 719 One of the older P2K units was an SD9. A few places are still showing these in PRR. Are these as accurate as the GP9 and E7 units? --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: P2K SD9? Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 10:27:40 -0500 From: Rob Schoenberg Content-Length: 760 Yes, the SD9's (and SD7's, SW9's and E8's too) are just as accurate as the GP9's and E7's. They run a bit better than the GP's too. Rob >One of the older P2K units was an SD9. A few places are still showing >these in PRR. Are these as accurate as the GP9 and E7 units? > >--------------------------------------------- >Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Roger P. Hensley" Subject: Columbus Invitational Meet - Dec 6 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:44:25 -0500 (EST) Content-Length: 3738 The Central Indiana Division, MWR, NMRA is holding a joint Meet (not a Dealer Sale/Show) with the Columbus Area Railroad Club of Columbus Indiana. The purpose is to promote the hobby of Model Railroading at a time of the year in which model trains are thought of, Christmas, and in a place that will reach many people at this time of year, the Commons Mall (retail shopping space). The CARR Club is located in a store front in the Commons Mall, but will have to vacate at the first of the year. On behalf of the CID and the CARR Club, I would invite anyone in the area of Columbus Indiana who has an interest in model railroading to make plans to make this meet in support of our hobby. Francis Parker, co-author of the new 'Railroads of Indiana' will be there for a book signing and the club room is worth the trip in and of itself. There will be Clinics and Contests and opportunities for other family members to Shop the stores for that something extra for Christmas. Bring your models and photos that you would like to see entered or displayed and take advantage of the contests as well as the clinics and the club layouts. When: December 6, 1997 (Saturday) - Columbus, IN What: Columbus Invitational Meet Where: Commons Mall - Downtown at the corner of 3rd & Washington Streets in Columbus Indiana Time: 10 AM to 5 PM (Clinics & Contests from 10 AM to 3 PM) Hosts: Columbus Area Railroad Club and the Central Indiana Division of the Midwest Region, NMRA Tour the Columbus Area RR Club Room Layouts Clinics - Five Clinics are scheduled at this time. Ron Lane (Columbus Club) - "Mann's Creek Railroad and the New River Gorge". His clinic was standing room only at the recent Narrow Gauge convention. George Dollens (Columbus Club) - Constructing flat side plastic car kits. He has a lot of plastic loco kitbashing experience to share. Tom Cain & Paul Brown (CID) - "Chasing Santa Fe Warbonnets across Illinois." A slide show presentation with some really neat photos! Jim Wilhite (CID) - "Making and Applying your own decals." Presented at the NMRA National convention in Madison, WI Luana Wilhite (CID) - "Painting Figures" Also given at the NMRA National convention in Madison, WI Contests - Photo and Model Contests 2 Popular Vote Contests Favorite Train Contest (No limit - bring your own track. Must have an EOT marker, device or car as appropriate to its era) Favorite Private/Business Car Contest. Displays - Displays of past contest winners, both model. and photo. For more information contact: Roger Hensley at 765-649-2367 ( rhensley@ecicnet.org) or Al Askerberg (812) 379-2697 (asker@hsonline.net) Roger Roger Hensley - 00rphensley@bsuvc.bsu.edu - rhensley@ecicnet.org Information Systems Specialist - Ball State University - Muncie, IN === http://ecicnet.org/~rhensley/cidwelco.html ===================== === Homepage of the Central Indiana Division, Midwest Region NMRA == ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:55:05 -0500 (EST) From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Subject: Fwd: PRRT&HS Web Page Content-Length: 1047 On Nov. 4, I sent an e-mail to the webmaster of the PRRT&HS site complaining about the lack of updates and his failure to respond to offers of help. Below is his response. Seems like a change of heart. I also sent copies of all our posting regarding the manner in which the site was being managed to one of the Board members. This may have caused a fire to be started under the webmaster. Only time will tell. Rich Orr --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: PRRT&HS Web Page Date: 97-11-06 12:02:48 EST From: Burbageg To: SUVCW ORR Richard: Thank you for your comments. I welcome assistance from anyone. Geo. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:16:50 -0500 (EST) From: Eichhorn@aol.com Subject: BP60/BH50 Questions Content-Length: 1424 If this is a repeat, please excuse. Hi Gang, I have a couple of questions I hope that someone can answer for me pertaining to the Centipedes. My research indicates that the Centipedes came in two different varieties; the 'normal' version and a Type II varient. The Type II came with or without both antennae and long roof vents. No problem seeing whether or not the unit has antennae or not; but, determining if the long roof vents are present is another story. Very few photos show much of the roof detail and the one that does....I can't tell whether or not, I'm looking at a 'normal' or a Type II. So, now for the questions: Is there another means of determining one "phase" from the other? Can anyone provide numbers for the Type II? The reason I ask is, I have an opportunity to purchase one or the other at a very "reasonable"(ha!) price and I'd rather know something( more than I do) about the what I'm buying. Any help anyone might provide, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, George Subject: Re: PA Lumber Series of books Content-Length: 2346 Greetings to the group, I've seen some of the individual volumes of the PA Lumber series of books at English's Model Railroad Supply (the Bowser people) in Montoursville, Pa., which is just to the east of Williamsport. Also try your local library or local college/univeristy library to take a look at them. If they don't have them, they should be able to get them via inter-library loan. It seems the Penn State has bound the set into one book. University Park's Pattee and the Dubois Campus has it. Below is its description, LC call number, key word search suggestions and the indiviual volume titles. Hope that helps. Drew R. McGhee Altoona, PA Kline, Benjamin F Logging railroad era of lumbering in Pennsylvania, a history of the lumber, chemical wood, and tanning companies which used railroads in Pennsylvania. / Walter C. Casler, Benjamin F. G. Kline, Jr. and Thomas T. Taber, III. Williamsport, Pa., Printed by Lycoming Printing Co., 1970-1978. 15 v. ill. 28 cm. Includes bibliography. Call#: HD9757.P4L6 1. Logging railroads -- History. 2. Lumbering -- Pennsylvania -- History. Contents: Introduction -- No.1. "Pitch pine and prop timber" / by B.F.G. Kline -- No.2. "Wild catting" on the mountain / by B.F.G. Kline -- No.3. Ghost lumber towns of central Pennsylvania / by T.T. Taber -- No.4. Sunset along Susquehanna waters / by T.T. Taber -- No.5. The Goodyears : an empire in the hemlocks / by T.T. Taber -- No.6. Whining saws and squealing flanges / by T.T. Taber -- No.7. Sawmills among the derricks / by T.T. Taber -- No.8. Tionesta Valley / by W.C. Casler -- No.9. Teddy Collins' empire / by Walter C. Casler -- No.10. Tanbark, alcohol and lumber / by T.T. Taber -- No.11. Allegheny Valley logging railroads -- No.12. Dinkies, dams and sawdust / by B.F.G. Kline -- No.13. "Stemwinders" in the Laurel Highlands / by B.F.G. Kline -- No.14 Addenda and index. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:28:29 -0600 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: BM-60 Content-Length: 1890 Hi all! I was recently able to pick up an N.J. Brass BM-60. Now the question is that I haven't found a photo of this class anywhere, and it isn't listed in either of the PRR color guides or the PRRT&HS passenger car book. The car is 60' with two hatches on either end (I initially mistook it for an express reefer!). There is a small center door with windows. BTW, the model is very nicely done! My questions: 1) Were the hatches for handling mail sacks (from above?) 2) What were the car numbers (or a car number!) 3) Were they typically used in service with the class BM-70 (like the Bethlehem Car Shops model) as mail storage cars? 4) Were these cars common or rare? 5) Any idea when they entered service? Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Pathobiology, Scientist, and Director, Nucleic Acid Services Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ ******************************************************************************** "Illigitimum non Carbarundum!" _ _ / \ / \ ____\_/_____________\_/____ ____________________________________ |- _______/ O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / PENNSYLVANIA \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: Re: Fwd: PRRT&HS Web Page Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 16:53:54 EST Content-Length: 1191 > On Nov. 4, I sent an e-mail to the webmaster of the PRRT&HS site complaining > about the lack of updates and his failure to respond to offers of help. > Below is his response. Seems like a change of heart. I also sent copies of > all our posting regarding the manner in which the site was being managed to > one of the Board members. This may have caused a fire to be started under > the webmaster. Only time will tell. > > Rich Orr > Thank you for your comments. I welcome assistance from anyone. > Geo. I spoke with George directly, by email and phone, soon after he launched the web site, offering to cooperate in any way, help, etc. I received a lukewarm reply and have yet to hear anything from George Burbage about the web site. It really looks like a 1-man show. -- Mark ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 16:55:21 -0500 From: Dennis Rockwell Subject: PRR Baby Trainmaster (was Re: P2K E7's in DGLE (and other Content-Length: 892 At 06:26 PM 11/5/97 -0500, Derrick J Brashear wrote: >> 160-81222 Spectrum FM H16-44 Baby Trainmaster H $ 59.95 12/31/1997 >> Diesel Locomotive -- PRR #8810 > >Note that this is not the correct body style for the H-16-44 units the PRR >owned, either. Can you tell us what's wrong with the model? Does it need different louvers or doors? Or is the wheelbase wrong? In other words, can we bash it with a few detail parts, or is it a total loss? Thanks! Dennis ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 16:56:38 -0500 From: Drew McGhee Subject: Re: BM-60 Content-Length: 3004 Greetings to Bruce and the group, Might this be a milk car? Some of those (and I don't know if the PRR had any) had two tanks on either side of the center of the car. There was a door on both sides at the center. This allowed access to hook up the hoses to fill, drain and clean the tanks. The roof hatches may in deed be for ice. The cars looked like regular express refers but had a lower height. There was an article about these type of milk tank cars in, I believe, Model Railroad Craftsman and I'm working on my memory of that article. Hope this was of some help. Drew R. McGhee Altoona, PA At 03:28 PM 11/6/97 -0600, Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. wrote: >Hi all! > >I was recently able to pick up an N.J. Brass BM-60. Now the question is >that I haven't found a photo of this class anywhere, and it isn't listed in >either of the PRR color guides or the PRRT&HS passenger car book. The car >is 60' with two hatches on either end (I initially mistook it for an >express reefer!). There is a small center door with windows. BTW, the >model is very nicely done! > >My questions: > >1) Were the hatches for handling mail sacks (from above?) >2) What were the car numbers (or a car number!) >3) Were they typically used in service with the class BM-70 (like the >Bethlehem Car Shops model) as mail storage cars? >4) Were these cars common or rare? >5) Any idea when they entered service? > >Happy Rails >Bruce > > >Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. >Assistant Professor of Pathobiology, Scientist, and >Director, Nucleic Acid Services >Scott-Ritchey Research Center >334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) >http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ >*************************************************************************** ***** > >"Illigitimum non Carbarundum!" > _ _ > / \ / \ > ____\_/_____________\_/____ ____________________________________ > |- _______/ O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | > | / PENNSYLVANIA \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| > |/_________________________\|_|____________________________________| > | O--O \0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- >Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". >Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! >------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". 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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:59:07 -0500 (EST) From: VVA249@aol.com Subject: LAST RUN -Former NYC Content-Length: 795 Saw Conrail Diesel # 7568 "GP 10" whitelined and dead in an Eastbound out of Collinwood - on NYC Also - last vestiges of the Collinwood shops are disappearing under wreckers ball - the Railroad YMCA building on East 152nd Street is a heap of rubble - the Erection Shop (served by transfer table) is half down - only the derelict boiler house remains untouched as of this morning Dick Ross Cleveland ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 17:08:18 -0500 From: "s.a. mccall" Subject: Re: BP60/BH50 Questions Content-Length: 4991 At 03:16 PM 11/6/97 -0500, you wrote: >If this is a repeat, please excuse. > >Hi Gang, > >I have a couple of questions I hope that >someone can answer for me pertaining >to the Centipedes. My research indicates >that the Centipedes came in two different >varieties; the 'normal' version and a Type II >varient. The Type II came with or without >both antennae and long roof vents. No >problem seeing whether or not the unit has >antennae or not; but, determining if the >long roof vents are present is another story. >Very few photos show much of the roof detail >and the one that does....I can't tell whether or >not, I'm looking at a 'normal' or a Type II. So, >now for the questions: Is there another means >of determining one "phase" from the other? Can >anyone provide numbers for the Type II? The >reason I ask is, I have an opportunity to purchase >one or the other at a very "reasonable"(ha!) price and >I'd rather know something( more than I do) about >the what I'm buying. Any help anyone might >provide, would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, > >George >------------------------------------------------------------- >Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". >Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! >------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". Greetings, I don't know any of this for a fact, but studies of pictures leads me to beleive the following: When delivered the units were semi-permanently coupled and operated as an "A" unit and a "B" unit. The "A" units seem to have the antennaes, the "B" units don't. The units numbered as 5823:01:00 are "A" units, the ones numbered 5823:02:00 are the "B" units. Apparently the "B" units were renumbered to the 5811 thru 5821 series. All the pics I have which shows enough of the top to be sure have the long vents. I assume the vents referred to are the ones just above the side vents. If others have more info, please add to this meager information(guesses)...... year bldr model class number hp remarks 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 BH50 5811 2500 Formerly class BP60 converted in1952 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 BH50 5812 2500 Formerly class BP60 converted in1952 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 BH50 5813 2500 Formerly class BP60 converted in1952 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 BH50 5814 2500 Formerly class BP60 converted in1952 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 BH50 5815 2500 Formerly class BP60 converted in1952 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 BH50 5816 2500 Formerly class BP60 converted in1952 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 BH50 5817 2500 Formerly class BP60 converted in1952 1948 BLW DR 12-8-30 BH50 5818 2500 Formerly class BP60 converted in1952 1948 BLW DR 12-8-30 BH50 5819 2500 Formerly class BP60 converted in1952 1948 BLW DR 12-8-30 BH50 5820 2500 Formerly class BP60 converted in1952 1948 BLW DR 12-8-30 BH50 5821 2500 Formerly class BP60 converted in1952 1948 BLW DR 12-8-30 BH50 5822 2500 Formerly class BP60 converted in1952 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 BP60 5823:01:00 6000 Semi-Perm coupled pair, reclass BH50, 1952 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 5823:02:00 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 BP60 5824:01:00 6000 Semi-Perm coupled pair, reclass BH50, 1952 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 5824:02:00 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 BP60 5825:01:00 6000 Semi-Perm coupled pair, reclass BH50, 1952 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 5825:02:00 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 BP60 5826:01:00 6000 Semi-Perm coupled pair, reclass BH50, 1952 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 5826:02:00 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 BP60 5827:01:00 6000 Semi-Perm coupled pair, reclass BH50, 1952 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 5827:02:00 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 BP60 5828:01:00 6000 Semi-Perm coupled pair, reclass BH50, 1952 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 5828:02:00 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 BP60 5829:01:00 6000 Semi-Perm coupled pair, reclass BH50, 1952 1947 BLW DR 12-8-30 5829:02:00 1948 BLW DR 12-8-30 BP60 5830:01:00 6000 Semi-Perm coupled pair, reclass BH50, 1952 1948 BLW DR 12-8-30 5830:02:00 1948 BLW DR 12-8-30 BP60 5831:01:00 6000 Semi-Perm coupled pair, reclass BH50, 1952 1948 BLW DR 12-8-30 5831:02:00 1948 BLW DR 12-8-30 BP60 5832:01:00 6000 Semi-Perm coupled pair, reclass BH50, 1952 1948 BLW DR 12-8-30 5832:02:00 1948 BLW DR 12-8-30 BP60 5833:01:00 6000 Semi-Perm coupled pair, reclass BH50, 1952 1948 BLW DR 12-8-30 5833:02:00 1948 BLW DR 12-8-30 BP60 5834:01:00 6000 Semi-Perm coupled pair, reclass BH50, 1952 1948 BLW DR 12-8-30 5834:02:00 > Sincerely, S.A. McCALL hosam ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:48:47 -0500 (EST) From: bubbles@visi.net Subject: BM60 or R60? Content-Length: 2012 Hello all... I have read the message from Bruce Smith and am a little confused. He says that the car is a BM60...well these are like the B-60 class baggage cars, but have a small 15 Ft. RPO section on one end. They had a small ventilator in the roof above the RPO section. But Mr Smith states "there are two hatches at either end(I initially mistook it for a express reefer)it has center door with two small windows." Hmmmmm sounds like a rare class R-60 reefer to me. they are both passenger cars,both had similar trucks and both had arched roofs(although the reefer roof was lower) I was'nt sure until i looked thru the book "PRR passenger and freight car diagrams" by Robert J.Wayner (1981 Wayner Publications) It shows a car almost exactly like what Mr Smith is talking about, small windows in the doors and all.Does anyone know for sure? The book also shows a BM-60 class on page 3 and a R-60 class on page 8. It also shows plans for the B-60,B-60a and the B-60b. also of interest there are plans for the various MP54 classes that were discussed not long ago...about 6-7 different types. It would also make sense that a R-60 would have been used in milk service...The RR Model Craftsman article does'nt show a R-60.Mostly D&H and B&M and Bordens types. Also to add...a BM-60 would have been used on a light RPO route. have no idea as to a number for both...BM-60 maybe in the 9000 series? R-60 maybe in the 2000 series? oh well..... H.Mummert ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 23:04:35 -0400 From: smithfam@earth.sunlink.net Subject: Re: PA Lumber Series of books Content-Length: 2590 If anyone is interested.... I've seen these books at the Country Cupboard. It is across from International Paper, in Lewisburg. Brandon Smith Drew McGhee wrote: > > Greetings to the group, > > I've seen some of the individual volumes of the PA Lumber series of books at > English's Model Railroad Supply (the Bowser people) in Montoursville, Pa., > which is just to the east of Williamsport. Also try your local library or > local college/univeristy library to take a look at them. If they don't have > them, they should be able to get them via inter-library loan. It seems the > Penn State has bound the set into one book. University Park's Pattee and the > Dubois Campus has it. Below is its description, LC call number, key word > search suggestions and the indiviual volume titles. Hope that helps. > > Drew R. McGhee > Altoona, PA > > Kline, Benjamin F > Logging railroad era of lumbering in Pennsylvania, a history of the lumber, > chemical wood, and tanning companies which used railroads in Pennsylvania. / > Walter C. Casler, Benjamin F. G. Kline, Jr. and Thomas T. Taber, III. > > Williamsport, Pa., Printed by Lycoming Printing Co., 1970-1978. > 15 v. ill. 28 cm. > Includes bibliography. > Call#: HD9757.P4L6 > > 1. Logging railroads -- History. 2. Lumbering -- Pennsylvania -- History. > > Contents: > Introduction -- > No.1. "Pitch pine and prop timber" / by B.F.G. Kline -- > No.2. "Wild catting" on the mountain / by B.F.G. Kline -- > No.3. Ghost lumber towns of central Pennsylvania / by T.T. Taber -- > No.4. Sunset along Susquehanna waters / by T.T. Taber -- > No.5. The Goodyears : an empire in the hemlocks / by T.T. Taber -- > No.6. Whining saws and squealing flanges / by T.T. Taber -- > No.7. Sawmills among the derricks / by T.T. Taber -- > No.8. Tionesta Valley / by W.C. Casler -- > No.9. Teddy Collins' empire / by Walter C. Casler -- > No.10. Tanbark, alcohol and lumber / by T.T. Taber -- > No.11. Allegheny Valley logging railroads -- > No.12. Dinkies, dams and sawdust / by B.F.G. Kline -- > No.13. "Stemwinders" in the Laurel Highlands / by B.F.G. Kline -- > No.14 Addenda and index. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Joe Gotaskie" Subject: Re: PA Lumber Series of books Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:38:30 -0500 Content-Length: 739 ---------- > From: Drew McGhee > It seems the Penn State has bound the set into one book. The entire series was available as a bound set by the publisher after the original series was complete. I have seen copies for sale at various places that sell used books. The next time I see a set, I'll take note of the price and post it. Joe ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Joe Gotaskie" Subject: Re: BM60 or R60? Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:50:53 -0500 Content-Length: 2690 There is also a picture of a R-60 in Pennsy Power 3, page 371. Joe ---------- > From: bubbles@visi.net > To: PRR-TALK@dsop.com > Subject: BM60 or R60? > Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 8:48 PM > > > Hello all... > I have read the message from Bruce Smith and am a little confused. He says > that the car is a BM60...well these are like the B-60 class baggage cars, > but have a small 15 Ft. RPO section on one end. They had a small ventilator > in the roof above the RPO section. > But Mr Smith states "there are two hatches at either end(I initially > mistook it for a express reefer)it has center door with two small windows." > > Hmmmmm sounds like a rare class R-60 reefer to me. > > they are both passenger cars,both had similar trucks and both had > arched roofs(although the reefer roof was lower) > > I was'nt sure until i looked thru the book "PRR passenger and freight > car diagrams" by Robert J.Wayner (1981 Wayner Publications) > It shows a car almost exactly like what Mr Smith is talking about, > small windows in the doors and all.Does anyone know for sure? > > The book also shows a BM-60 class on page 3 and a R-60 class on page 8. > It also shows plans for the B-60,B-60a and the B-60b. > > also of interest there are plans for the various MP54 classes that were > discussed not long ago...about 6-7 different types. > It would also make sense that a R-60 would have been used in milk > service...The RR Model Craftsman article does'nt show a R-60.Mostly > D&H and B&M and Bordens types. > Also to add...a BM-60 would have been used on a light RPO route. > have no idea as to a number for both...BM-60 maybe in the 9000 series? > R-60 maybe in the 2000 series? > oh well..... > > H.Mummert > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". > Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! > ------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". 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From: "Dan Cupper" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:33:59 +0000 Subject: Re: PRR Calendar Request Content-Length: 2231 > From: "Bill Nixon" > Organization: University of Pittsburgh > Saw this in newsgroups, maybe someone can help: > > Date sent: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:33:25 -0500 (EST) > From: bnixon+@pitt.edu (Bill Nixon) > To: bnixon+@pitt.edu > Subject: (fwd) Looking for Pennsy Calendar > > From: cookst@ptld.uswest.net > Subject: Looking for Pennsy Calendar > Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 01:11:18 -0600 > Newsgroups: alt.railroad > X-Authenticated-Sender: cookst@ptld.uswest.net > > My dad worked as a fireman on the Pennsy in 1945. I am trying to > locate information about a Pennsylvania Railroad Calendar which > featured a photo of the line he worked on. This was from the late > '30's to early 40's and showed a train crossing the Susquehanna R. > on a long stone arch bridge. If anyone can identify the year of the > calendar and may have a copy for sale I would appreciate a reply. Two PRR calendar paintings featured the Rockville Bridge: -- 1925 (the scene was repeated for 1926 calendars), by the New England painter Harold Brett, showed a K4 steam engine and passenger train traveling eastward, from a perspective looking west. Expect to pay $1500 or more for one of these in excellent to mint condition with all or most calendar pages. Price would be lower for one with wear&tear, or with the calendar pages all gone; price would be MUCH lower for one on which the calendar portion (with or without monthly pages) had been cut off -- perhaps $25-75. -- 1950, by the New Jersey artist Grif Teller, who painted most of the PRR calendar paintings, showed three trains at the west end of the bridge, from a perspective looking east. In excellent to mint condition, worth $75-$150. Dan Cupper cupper@ibm.net Romans 10:9 ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:10:30 -0600 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: BM60 or R60? Content-Length: 2548 H.Mummert said: > Hello all... > I have read the message from Bruce Smith and am a little confused. He says > that the car is a BM60...well these are like the B-60 class baggage cars, > but have a small 15 Ft. RPO section on one end. They had a small ventilator > in the roof above the RPO section. > But Mr Smith states "there are two hatches at either end(I initially > mistook it for a express reefer)it has center door with two small windows." Yup - sorry I wasn't more clear. The car has an arched roof with two rectangular hatches in the roof at each end. The doors are centered on each side, and appear to be internally mounted and perhaps sliding. There are rectangular windows in the upper half of the door. It definitely does NOT look like a B-60. Does the BM-60 have the classic porthole window in the baggage door? > Hmmmmm sounds like a rare class R-60 reefer to me. > > The book also shows a BM-60 class on page 3 and a R-60 class on page 8. It sounds like I have an R-60 (not that I mind). Since I haven't been able to find "PRR passenger and freight car diagrams" anywhere and it is long out of print, would someone out there mind photocopying the BM-60 and R-60 plans and snail mailing them to me? I will definitely confirm on-line which of these cars it really is! Happy Rails Bruce Snail Mail: Bruce F. Smith 642 Woody Drive Auburn, AL 36832 Bruce F. 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Subject: Re: PRR Calendar Request Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 10:34:24 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 1114 On 11/7/97 9:48 AM, Bill Nixon (bnixon+@pitt.edu) wrote: >My dad worked as a fireman on the Pennsy in 1945. I am trying to locate >information about a Pennsylvania Railroad Calendar which featured a >photo of the line he worked on. This was from the late '30's to early >40's and showed a train crossing the Susquehanna R. on a long stone arch >bridge. If anyone can identify the year of the calendar and may have a >copy for sale I would appreciate a reply. 1950, Grif Teller, entitled "Crossroads of Commerce". --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Nixon" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:48:04 EST5EDT Subject: PRR Calendar Request Content-Length: 1216 Saw this in newsgroups, maybe someone can help: Date sent: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:33:25 -0500 (EST) From: bnixon+@pitt.edu (Bill Nixon) To: bnixon+@pitt.edu Subject: (fwd) Looking for Pennsy Calendar From: cookst@ptld.uswest.net Subject: Looking for Pennsy Calendar Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 01:11:18 -0600 Newsgroups: alt.railroad X-Authenticated-Sender: cookst@ptld.uswest.net My dad worked as a fireman on the Pennsy in 1945. I am trying to locate information about a Pennsylvania Railroad Calendar which featured a photo of the line he worked on. This was from the late '30's to early 40's and showed a train crossing the Susquehanna R. on a long stone arch bridge. If anyone can identify the year of the calendar and may have a copy for sale I would appreciate a reply. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: Fwd: PRRT&HS Web Page (fwd) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 11:44:22 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 1583 On 11/7/97 12:21 PM, Mark D Bej (bejm@eeg.ccf.org) wrote: >> One-man-show web sites can be just as content-rich and interesting as >> those created by a large staff. It just depends on the person developing it, >> and the value he/she puts on maintaining and updating the site. > >_Can_ be is the operant term. According to the folks at the Friends of the Railroad Museum in Strasburg, the same guy did their site...and it's nice! It's new online, so there hasn't been a real need for updating. The PRRT&HS site, however, is nothing more than a billboard. As for "one-man-shows", I'm glad to have full staff. Let's see, there's "jbritton@dsop.com", "jerry@dsop.com", "listmaster@dsop.com", "postmaster@dsop.com", "hostmaster@dsop.com", "webmaster@dsop.com", and "sales@dsop.com". Did I miss any? ;-) Actually, I'm getting very little done online...and anticipate much of the same through the end of the month...until Jr get's into a feeding/sleeping schedule! --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: Re: Fwd: PRRT&HS Web Page (fwd) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:21:38 EST Content-Length: 649 > One-man-show web sites can be just as content-rich and interesting as > those created by a large staff. It just depends on the person developing it, > and the value he/she puts on maintaining and updating the site. _Can_ be is the operant term. :-) -- Mark ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: Re: Fwd: PRRT&HS Web Page (fwd) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:48:21 EST Content-Length: 1377 > According to the folks at the Friends of the Railroad Museum in > Strasburg, the same guy did their site...and it's nice! It's new online, > so there hasn't been a real need for updating. > > The PRRT&HS site, however, is nothing more than a billboard. > > As for "one-man-shows", I'm glad to have full staff. Let's see, there's > "jbritton@dsop.com", "jerry@dsop.com", "listmaster@dsop.com", > "postmaster@dsop.com", "hostmaster@dsop.com", "webmaster@dsop.com", and > "sales@dsop.com". Did I miss any? ;-) Yes, you did. Your site and mine are _not_ "one man shows". Organizationally, yes. But content-wise, no. Many people have contributed to both yours and mine. To my knowledge, and by my impression through speaking with George Burbage, the PRRTHS web site has been _entirely_ a one-man show. Given my several offers of help and the deafening silence in return, I can only assume that there is no desire to make it any more than a one-man show. -- Mark ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:35:46 -0500 (EST) From: Hal6963@aol.com Subject: Middle Division Boundry Content-Length: 471 Hi all, Does anyone out there know the boundry of the Middle Division in 1915? Harold ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: Middle Division Boundry (fwd) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:59:54 EST Content-Length: 1100 > Does anyone out there know the bound[a]ry of the Middle Division in 1915? > Harold Weren't we One Big Happy Gummint Railroad in 1915? :-) How exact are you looking for? The boundary of the Middle Division has "traditionally" been the western end of BANKS interlocking, just west of Harrisburg. By "traditionally" I mean that it was there for many years. I don't know off the top of my head what it was in 1915. I believe I have the relevant employee TT at home but want to make sure you need this info that badly. :-) If you do, email me privately for my home phone # -- unless you have me hangin' onto the phone, there's no way I'll sit still long enough to get the info for you. -- Mark ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: NEW QUEST FOR DUPES -- 11/7/97 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 19:53:20 -0400 From: Jerry Content-Length: 943 Okay, just made another change on the server to try and resolve the dupes issue. If you receive more than ONE COPY OF THIS POST, let me know asap, to this address. I do not need to know how many copies, nor the times, nor if you receive other dupes. Just let me know if you receive a dupe of this one. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton "Keystone Crossings" http://prr.dsop.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: George.Pierson@trnty.edu (George Pierson) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 18:30:56 CST Subject: Would you believe it?? Content-Length: 993 Hi, gang, Was recently going through an OFFICIAL RAILWAY EQUIPMENT REGISTER for 1996 and guess how many cars were still listed as in service with PRR reporting marks? Amazingly enough, about 35. Hard to believe that almost 30 years after the end of the PRR cars in regular revenue service are still out there. There appeared to be about 10 different classes - COOL!! I can remember seeing a yard switcher at Enola about 1982 still in PRR paint scheme. PRR forever, George Sincerely, George N. Pierson, Ph.D. george.pierson@trnty.edu Dept. of Philosophy, Trinity Christian College ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". 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If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 07:40:30 -0500 From: jlevine@mcls.rochester.lib.ny.us Subject: Pennsy Diesels Content-Length: 620 I model O guage (high rail) and I am looking for some good E and F units in the Pennsylvania cover. Williams seems to have a nice looking product. Does anyone know about this or any other models to consider. Thanks. Jeff Levine ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 8 Nov 97 8:28:32 EST From: Subject: fwd: PRR artwork Content-Length: 3970 ------------- Original Text From: K KOLLAR@DS@193SOW, on 11/8/97 8:14 AM: To: smtp[PRR-Talk@dsop] Good morning everyone, Last week sometime, someone made mention of a new piece of PRR artwork being sold by Mike Danneman. Can anyone provide additional details, ie, subject, locomotive depicted, is it available for sale yet, if so, how do you get one???? Any help would be appreciated. If this new one is as good or better than the one I currently have, "PRR Sharks on the Roll", it is sure to be an excellent piece of work. Kris Kollar Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:03:24 -0500 (EST) From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Subject: Re: BM-60 ... R60 Content-Length: 497 The description sounds like a R60 reefer. R60 were numbered 5701 - 5736. It is definitely not a BM60. Rich Orr ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 10:42:42 -0500 From: "CronesRacing@disknet.com" Subject: Decals Content-Length: 484 Can anyone tell me if there is a set of dyr transfer decals for pensy steam engines? Thanks Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:19:54 -0500 (EST) From: Hal6963@aol.com Subject: Middle Division Boundrys Content-Length: 519 Hello All, Does anyone know the boundrys of the Middle Division based in Altoona for the year 1915 or there abouts? Thanks Harold ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 13:04:52 -0800 From: Ron Dugas Subject: Re: Decals Content-Length: 1498 Clove House, P.O. Box 62, Sebastopol, Calif., advertises: 7784-02 Steam Locomotive, For Shorter Tenders, "Lines used West of Pittsburgh, Before May 1939, Gold Lettering. 7784-03 Steam Locomotive, For Shorter Tenders, Pre-1939, Gold Lettering. 7784-04 Steam Locomotive, For Longer Tenders, Pre-1939, Gold Lettering. 7784-05 Steam Locomotive, For Shorter Tenders, 1939-1953, Gold Lettering. 7784-06 Steam Locomotive, For Longer Tenders, 1939-1953, Gold Lettering. 7784-07 Steam Locomotive, For Shorter Tenders, 1953-On, Buff Lettering. 7784-08 Steam Locomotive, For Longer Tenders, 1953-On, Buff Lettering. All available in N, HO, S and O scales. All in their "**" price group which translates to: N=$1.75 HO=$2.00 S=$2.50 O=$3.25 Please note that my catalog was given to me by my dealer when they had to stop offering CH products and is circa '91/'92 (CH #7). Prices quoted may be dealers prices. Many dealers are unable to order from CH due to high minimum: $100.00+. Last report I heard was that they "may" only deal direct now. Anyone have any recent info on CH? Ron. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: DUPLICATE REPORTS - ANYONE? Date: Sun, 9 Nov 97 14:17:05 -0400 From: Jerry Content-Length: 855 Bill Nixon was the only person that reported any DUPES of my message concerning DUPES from yesterday. He reported two copies. Since I cannot duplicate this problem locally or where I work, I depend on your feedback. Is ANYONE else still receiving dupes? ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton "Keystone Crossings" http://prr.dsop.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 20:29:45 -0500 (EST) From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Subject: Re: Subj: Re: PRR Today (Was: Re: Pennsy passenger units) Content-Length: 1552 In a message dated 97-08-23 09:55:55 EDT, shadow@DEMENTIA.ORG writes: << > I suspect that if the PRR had survived the Allegheny Yard and Same Rea line > (both of which were under design at the time of the great demise) would have > been built. Allegheny yard was to have been near but not in Altoona. The > yard would handle all long distance freight movements and by-pass the Altoona > complex. Trains would have been classed at Conway, Allegheny and Enola. The > Sam Rea line was intended to by-pass Pittsburgh. this would have been the > primary route for transcontential service (TOFC Containers tanks cars etc.) > no tunnels, all new construction with adequate clearance. I had not previously ever seen reference to either of these; They sound interesting, if not good "what-if" model ideas... Any place where one might "read more about it"? >> This is an old posting for which I have finally located the referrence material. The Allegheny Yard project is covered in the April 1978 Rails Northeast. Sam Rea by-pass in The Keystone Vol.19 No. 2 Summer 1986 Rich Orr ------------------------------------------------------------- Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings", a cross-platform CD-ROM. See http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index . ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: SEND DUPE REPORTS TO britton@pit-magnus.com Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 06:50:20 -0400 From: Jerry Content-Length: 774 Still no dupe reports! If anyone has any to report today, please send them to my work address, which is "britton@pit-magnus.com". Thanks. ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton "Keystone Crossings" http://prr.dsop.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings", a cross-platform CD-ROM. See http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index . ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:46:52 -0500 From: "Dave 'Fresh' Freshwater" Subject: Re: Would you believe it?? Content-Length: 1191 Dennis Rockwell wrote: > > At 06:30 PM 11/7/97 CST, George Pierson wrote: > > >Was recently going through an OFFICIAL RAILWAY EQUIPMENT REGISTER for 1996 > >and guess how many cars were still listed as in service with PRR reporting > >marks? Amazingly enough, about 35. > > Yes! An 80-some foot mill gon went by my window at my last job; it was in > the middle of a string of CR gons, all full of scrap. My jaw made a dent in > the floor, and of its own accord started cursing my lack of a camera. > > Dennis > I found a PRR flat carrying a load of scrap to the electric furnace at Lukens Steel, Coatesvile, PA, on Thursday during the MER tour. Not sure if it was in captive service at the plant or not, though. Dave Freshwater North Potomac, MD ------------------------------------------------------------- Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings", a cross-platform CD-ROM. See http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index . ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Pullman Volume 4 For Sale Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 10:35:15 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 830 If you REALLY want a copy of the Pullman-Standard Library Vol. 4, there is one for sale on eBay. However, the current bid is at $75!!! http://iguana.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1839855 --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings", a cross-platform CD-ROM. See http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index . ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bob Zoeller" Subject: Products at WISE (Milwaukee) show Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:03:40 -0600 Content-Length: 2100 3 items and a question. 1. The American Model Buiders laser kit for the PRR combo freight-passenger station is being produced as we speak. It is a beautiful kit. The question: the show sample was painted in the PRR buff (similar to butter, yellow, whatever) color which I presume is correct for this prototype. I have been painting my structures with the light building color (sort of khaki, in fact that is what I use to represent it, one of the Pollyscale military khaki colors 50/50 with white). I do all the same to keep a family resemblence. Were the various paint jobs of Pennsy structures consistent within a division? or was there a considerable mix? 2. In case anyone still needs a tuscan E7B, I noticed Lombard hobbies out of Lombard, Illinois had two or three (I believe you can get their address from the back of MRR or RMC- if not, contact me direct and I can look it up when I am at home). 3. I purchased a new video, "Broadway Limited", for $25 . I am about three fourths through it and "Siskel and Ebert" Bob would give it a thumbs down. Very little new material pre-Penn Central. T1 shots were from the Pennsy promo films and the 38 Broadway clip was from the movie, "Broadway Limited" (I got better reproduction by taping it off late night TV). The shots of the 50th anniversary in 1952 out of Union Station, Chicago, are terrible quality. Heavy emphasis on the grimmest days of Penn Central and the rainbow Amtrak era. Only clip of interest to me was an interior shot of Mountain or Tower View. That 10 seconds wasn't worth $25 though and I have a feeling I have seen it somewhere before, also. Regards Bob Zoeller Fox Point, WI ------------------------------------------------------------- Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings", a cross-platform CD-ROM. See http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index . ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:51:51 -0500 From: Drew McGhee Subject: Re: PRR Vehicles Content-Length: 1002 Greetings to Kevin and the group, Try _Pensy Power III_ as one source of information. It has a section on PRR's trucking and bus operations. Drew R. McGhee Altoona, PA At 09:10 PM 11/7/97 -0900, Kevin & Maureen wrote: >Hey everyone. > > I am looking for any photographs or slides people might have >that would include PRR vehicles (ie: trucks, cars, tractors, MOW >vehicles). I will pay for dupes to be made, or take donations of >copies, etc. > >Kevin J. Tully >C.E.O. >Foxburg, Mt. Jewett & Corydon Railroad Co. >"Pennsylvania Railroad Into The Future" ------------------------------------------------------------- Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings", a cross-platform CD-ROM. See http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index . ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Don R. Millbranth" Subject: : "PENNSYLVANIA LINES" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:08:16 -0600 Content-Length: 918 Anyone have any idea what line constituted the "PENNSYLVANIA LINES? This is the wording painted to the right of the door (on a boxcar) in one line, under which is the number 576225. In the upper left corner of the car side is a circle painted white with a star in it....the star being the same color as the car, or so it seems in the old print/photo... I assume it was the PRR, or a branch of it, as the lettering is typical PRR. Your comments/suggestions are welcome.. don ------------------------------------------------------------- Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings", a cross-platform CD-ROM. See http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index . ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:42:56 -0500 From: jlrosen Subject: Re: : "PENNSYLVANIA LINES" Content-Length: 1106 Don R. Millbranth wrote: > > Anyone have any idea what line constituted the "PENNSYLVANIA LINES? > This is the wording painted to the right of the door (on a boxcar) in one > line, under which is the number 576225. In the upper left corner of the car > side is a circle painted white with a star in it....the star being the same > color as the car, or so it seems in the old print/photo... > I assume it was the PRR, or a branch of it, as the lettering is typical > PRR. > Your comments/suggestions are welcome.. > don Don, Pennsylvania Lines were the lines west of Pittsburgh. Untill 1920-21 they were seprate from though owned by the PRR. John W Rosenbauer ------------------------------------------------------------- Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings", a cross-platform CD-ROM. See http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index . ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:46:38 -0500 (EST) From: Derrick J Brashear Subject: HO X-32 50' boxes Content-Length: 934 Hello fellow PRR-Talkers, Got some information about the X-32 50' round roof boxcars which Central Hobby Supply is taking rerun reservations for with the confirmation for my DGLE E7 order; If anyone is interested I can post it, but not til Wednesday, while I'm sitting around when Bell *finally* finishes installing the T1 in my house, the same which was expected to be installed April 15, 1996! No really, we mean it this time! -D (of course, now that that's almost done, we found leaks in the roof!) ------------------------------------------------------------- Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings", a cross-platform CD-ROM. See http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index . ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Port Road vs. Northern Central Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 09:30:56 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 1353 In preparation for modeling the Northern Central Railway thru York, Pa., I am assembling lists of scheduled trains thru the city, based on available timetables. My era is mid-1940s to mid-1950s. I seem to have enough data on passenger operations. It is data on freight operations that I am lacking. On "Keystone Crossings" I have a 1952 Freight Schedule. Most of the labeled freights in and out of Baltimore that go to Harrisburg or Enola seem to go via the Port Road. Was this always the case? I thought a "decent" amount of freight moved up the NCR line well after the Atglen & Susquehanna (aka Port Road) was put in. Or was the NCR through York mostly passenger in my era...except for local freights? --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings", a cross-platform CD-ROM. See http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index . ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Have Dupes Subsided? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 09:52:38 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 1073 I've gotten only two reports of dupes since my change on Friday night. I am left wondering if people quit notifying me or if the problem is largely fixed and the aforementioned dupes were just flukes. Can anyone who was getting hoards of dupes tell me if the duping has subsided? Again, I do not need to know what messages or how many, or what the times were...just if it is still happening at all, or any less than before. Thanks. --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings", a cross-platform CD-ROM. See http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index . ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: Port Road vs. Northern Central (fwd) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:15:34 EST Content-Length: 2017 Jerry, list administrativia: can you get the list to change the "Reply-To:" header to "prr-talk@dsop.com"? This way one could "R"eply directly to the list. > In preparation for modeling the Northern Central Railway thru York, Pa., > I am assembling lists of scheduled trains thru the city, based on > available timetables. My era is mid-1940s to mid-1950s. > I seem to have enough data on passenger operations. It is data on freight > operations that I am lacking. > > On "Keystone Crossings" I have a 1952 Freight Schedule. Most of the > labeled freights in and out of Baltimore that go to Harrisburg or Enola > seem to go via the Port Road. Was this always the case? I thought a > "decent" amount of freight moved up the NCR line well after the Atglen & > Susquehanna (aka Port Road) was put in. Did we already review the schedules I have? > Or was the NCR through York mostly passenger in my era...except for local > freights? The NCR was a washboard near the Pa-Md state line, whereas the NEC (not called that, then) plus Port Road were river-level. I would think the Port Road was the better of the two, and that the NC saw mostly local traffic. But I'm no expert. There _are_ a bunch of trains on my freight schedules, like B-2, that don't list anything between Harrisburg and Baltimore. But something tells me they'd list York if the train passed thru. I just did a quick scan and found no trains on the NC in my 1960 freight schedules. If anyone has schedules from other years (Dan C.?) I'd be happy to transcribe and post. -- Mark ------------------------------------------------------------- Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings", a cross-platform CD-ROM. See http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index . ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: Reply To Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 11:21:05 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 1764 On 11/11/97 11:15 AM, Mark D Bej (bejm@eeg.ccf.org) wrote: >can you get the list to change the "Reply-To:" header to "prr-talk@dsop.com"? >This way one could "R"eply directly to the list. No. I'm guessing that you have an "older" e-mail client. All major current clients support both REPLY TO and REPLY TO ALL fields. "PRR-Talk" is configured so that REPLY TO goes to the original sender only; REPLY TO ALL goes to the list. There is an option whereas both fields would go to the list - for addressing the issue with older clients - but that results in replies intended for the sender only going to the list accidentally. Or, for those that see the reply being pre-addressed to the list, they need to copy and paste the sender's address into their reply if they want to reply only to the sender. The "old" list used the second form and I recieved numerous complaints. The "new" list (since the summer) uses the new form, which I feel is actually more logical. However, I can sympathize with the frustration some users (a minority) might have when their e-mail client does not support both fields. --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings", a cross-platform CD-ROM. See http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index . ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Neat Item at eBay Auction Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 11:47:49 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 1680 This is a neat item currently for sale at eBay: Rare PRR Train Ticket!!!LOOK!! Item #1896723 Started 11/11 06:48:12 Pacific Standard Time (AM) Category Collectibles:Railroadiana Ends 11/18 06:48:12 Pacific Standard Time (AM) This is one of the nicest train tickets I have seen in quite a while!!! It is a mint unused ticket to the 1955 Army Navy game at Phila Municipal Stadium on 11/26/55. It is a one day only ticket, and not many were ever produced. The front features a great picture of at least twelve PRR locomotives and cars loading up passengers for the game! It also bears three unused stubs, two for Pullman Car passage to and from the game, as well as the unused Agents stub (normally torn off and thrown away! The total price for passage...$3.44. This ticket is from the personal collection of the gentleman that designed these tickets for the Globe Ticket Co of Phila from 1930-1970. Don't miss out on this very rare ticket in mint unused condition! Buyer pays $3.00 shipping within the US. Best of Luck!!! --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings", a cross-platform CD-ROM. See http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index . ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: Re: Reply To Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:57:17 EST Content-Length: 2676 > >can you get the list to change the "Reply-To:" header to "prr-talk@dsop.com"? > >This way one could "R"eply directly to the list. > > No. > > I'm guessing that you have an "older" e-mail client. All major current > clients support both REPLY TO and REPLY TO ALL fields. Let's see ... Netscape for Unix does indeed reply to you, while cc:ing me and the list. (But I find it damned inconvenient and slow. Good ol' text-based "elm" lets me get my email stuff done much faster and in some ways is more flexible. So I use it. "elm" is a Unix program for those who don't know. Remember Unix? The guys that _invented_ email? :-) > "PRR-Talk" is configured so that REPLY TO goes to the original sender > only; REPLY TO ALL goes to the list. Gotcha. > There is an option whereas both fields would go to the list - for > addressing the issue with older clients - but that results in replies > intended for the sender only going to the list accidentally. Or, for > those that see the reply being pre-addressed to the list, they need to > copy and paste the sender's address into their reply if they want to > reply only to the sender. Understood. (Not tough on an X terminal, quite frankly - and the number of time I at least want to respond to the _individual_ versus the list is quite low. Plus most individuals I respond to I already have a 4-character alias made up for ...) > The "old" list used the second form and I recieved numerous complaints. > The "new" list (since the summer) uses the new form, which I feel is > actually more logical. Sure. We really should upgrade to a new version of elm, I guess, and this may come with HPUX 10. OTOH, replying _both_ to author and list is a bit tedious, too, as I often get double replies to things I post, once to me directly, once via the list. (But of course, the sender's email software has no way of knowing if I'm on the list and will therefore get a copy via the list.) Compromise, compromise, compromise. More of this and I'll be ready to be a politician. :-) ... just kidding ... relax, everybody ... As this is getting way off list topic, I'll cease and desist, and stop, and quit, and even halt, now. -- Mark ------------------------------------------------------------- Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings", a cross-platform CD-ROM. See http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index . ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Nixon" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:24:16 EST5EDT Subject: Neat ticket Content-Length: 912 Isn't this the same scene on the 1955 PRR Calendar? >This is one of the nicest train tickets I have seen in quite a while!!! >It is a mint unused ticket to the 1955 Army Navy game at Phila Municipal >Stadium on 11/26/55 > The front features a great picture of at least twelve PRR >locomotives and cars loading up passengers for the game! > This ticket is from the personal >collection of the gentleman that designed these tickets for the Globe >Ticket Co of Phila from 1930-1970 ------------------------------------------------------------- Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings", a cross-platform CD-ROM. See http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index . ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:40:13 -0500 From: "s.a. mccall" Subject: Re: Reply To Content-Length: 2512 Greetings, Am running Eudora lite ver 3.03. When I click on reply to all that's just what it does, replies to all. one copy to M.e. Bej, one to Prr talk and one to Britton@pit......... At 11:21 AM 11/11/97 -0400, Jerry Britton wrote: >On 11/11/97 11:15 AM, Mark D Bej (bejm@eeg.ccf.org) wrote: > >>can you get the list to change the "Reply-To:" header to "prr-talk@dsop.com"? >>This way one could "R"eply directly to the list. > >No. > >I'm guessing that you have an "older" e-mail client. All major current >clients support both REPLY TO and REPLY TO ALL fields. > >"PRR-Talk" is configured so that REPLY TO goes to the original sender >only; REPLY TO ALL goes to the list. > >There is an option whereas both fields would go to the list - for >addressing the issue with older clients - but that results in replies >intended for the sender only going to the list accidentally. Or, for >those that see the reply being pre-addressed to the list, they need to >copy and paste the sender's address into their reply if they want to >reply only to the sender. > >The "old" list used the second form and I recieved numerous complaints. >The "new" list (since the summer) uses the new form, which I feel is >actually more logical. > >However, I can sympathize with the frustration some users (a minority) >might have when their e-mail client does not support both fields. > > >--------------------------------------------- >Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator >Progressive Information Technologies >britton@pit-magnus.com >http://www.pit-magnus.com >1 JPEG = 1K words > > >------------------------------------------------------------- >Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings", a >cross-platform CD-ROM. See http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index . >------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". > > Sincerely, S.A. McCALL hosam ------------------------------------------------------------- Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excerpts from Keystone Crossings", a cross-platform CD-ROM. See http://www.dsop.com/merchandise/index . ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: RE: HO X-32 50' boxes From: asmiller@mail11.mitre.org (Andrew S. Miller) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 12:56:03 -0500 Content-Length: 797 >Hello fellow PRR-Talkers, > >. . ., while I'm sitting around when Bell *finally* finishes >installing the T1 in my house, the same which was expected to be installed >April 15, 1996! No really, we mean it this time! > >-D - ----- Derrick, Does that mean you will have high speed communication or high speed steam passenger service? ;-) regards Andy Miller ------------------------------------------------------------- Now taking orders for Volume II of "Excer