Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:23:19 -0500 From: Jerry Shickler Subject: Air compressor & tank Content-Length: 1086 I've been keeping an eye out for a used air compressor so that I can spend more money later on an air brush. In yesterday's paper K-Mart advertised an AC Delco 110v compressor (115 psi, no tank) for about $37 and a 9-gallon air tank (w/ regulator, I believe) for $25. Bingo! My wife bought one & my mother-in-law the other for me as Christmas presents. I can't say how well they'll work yet, but I'm sure they'll do fine. I don't know if it's a national sale, but if so & you're in the market for a compressor, you can save yourself some big bucks. No, I don't work for K-Mart. I'm just trying to keep the DGLE & Tuscan flowing. -- Jerry Shickler Erie, PA e-mail: geshick@velocity.net ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 8:02:39 GMT (Original EST) From: KKOLLAR@PAMDT.ANG.AF.MIL Subject: re: Air compressor & tank Content-Length: 12474 Sounds like a good deal. If you use petroleum solvent based paints you might consider getting an air dryer too. I got mine from Sears several years back for around $20. Remember as the air is squeezed and put under pressure moisture will condense and might find its way thru the airbrush and wreck that beautiful DGLE paint job. If I may put my two cents in worth about an airbrush too. Although I'd like to have a double action airbrush, I've been using my Badger single action airbrush for 15 years it has always performed beautifully. For painting locomotives & rolling stock the single action works exceptionally well and for those of you with budgetary limits it is the cheaper alternative. In my opinion the only area the double action would make it easier is when painting rust/grime streaks on your weathered cars. And with a little practice the you'll get the same results with a single action airbrush. What you really should be concerned about is a good spray booth. For a great finish they can't be beat but more importantly they protect your health. If your interested let me know and I'll share with you how I built a spray booth from plans in MR. Its so powerful it'll suck a golf ball through a garden hose. It's professional quality and cost me less than $25 to build because I used a motor and fan unit from an old electric clothes dryer. Regards, Kris Kollar ------------- Original Text From: Jerry Shickler , on 10/28/97 8:00 AM: I've been keeping an eye out for a used air compressor so that I can spend more money later on an air brush. In yesterday's paper K-Mart advertised an AC Delco 110v compressor (115 psi, no tank) for about $37 and a 9-gallon air tank (w/ regulator, I believe) for $25. Bingo! My wife bought one & my mother-in-law the other for me as Christmas presents. I can't say how well they'll work yet, but I'm sure they'll do fine. I don't know if it's a national sale, but if so & you're in the market for a compressor, you can save yourself some big bucks. No, I don't work for K-Mart. I'm just trying to keep the DGLE & Tuscan flowing. -- Jerry Shickler Erie, PA e-mail: geshick@velocity.net ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:31:45 -0600 From: Bob Webber Subject: New Equipment Content-Length: 535 I think it's obvious that your new unit can't be a diesel - you are already adjusting the cut-off! Bob Isn't it a little brisk in here? Oy vay. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:45:21 -0600 (CST) From: "Donald E. Harper, Jr." Subject: Breakup of Conrail Content-Length: 4162 When the PRR-NYC merger occurred I was way too busy getting an education and earning a living, and much too far removed from the action, to take much notice. I gather from some of the posts I've read recently that there were some real service problems after the merger, problems partly related to the fact that it was a merger of "equals" in which the administrative types, and their respective styles, of both railroads stayed on the job, at least for some time, and partly the problems associated with trying to merge two systems. Some of the same problems seem to be occurring because of the UP-SP merger. I am wondering if these problems will have a ripple effect on the breakup of Conrail. As you may have read or heard, UP had another wreck, this time fairly close to home. The latest information I've obtained this morning from the Railspot listserver is that one train ran a red light. The train that was moving was going only about 10 mph, and both crews evacuated before impact, so no one was seriously hurt. Some of the engines are a total loss. I also just read of Richard Davidson's (CEO of UP) address to the STB addressing the problems UP is facing (I've saved the text if anyone wants to read it). Stuff I read yesterday suggestes that the FRA is ready to step in and "do something" if UP's problems are not fixed fast. Now.... The UP-SP merger was vigorously opposed by State of Texas (and I believe Louisiana), and by many major companies in Texas, claiming that competition would be reduced. Are any states affected by the split up of Conrail arguing as vehemently against the split up? If so, what are their reasons? The SP was an anemic railroad. Not much in the way of profits and not much manintenance. The Sherman Branch of the SP passes within 30 feet of the back door of my daughter's house about 20 miles north of Dallas. Prior to last winter the track looked like a snake tail, and speeds over the line were about 10 mph. UP straightened and leveled the track and speeds are now about 30 mph. This type of maintenance is being done all over the SP system, at least where they have not torn up the tracks. >From what I have seen along the Ohio River, Conrail's tracks are in excellent shape. Hving been pushed aside by the pressure wave, I'd say the trains are traveling about 60 mph in the Sewickley area. Is this the norm everywhere? I also understand that Conrail has been paying good dividends for quite some time. Is this correct? When UP took over SP, I'm told that early retirements of SP personnel were pushed. Now UP is having to hire a lot of people in a hurry to undo the congestion problems. >From talking with an employee of Conrail, and from a couple of posts I've received, it appears that Conrail employees are not happy with the split up and a lot may lose jobs. Just who benefits from this break up? Probably not the employees. Conrail is not big news down here, so I don't read much about the break up-merger. I understand the break up of Conrail is not a done deal yet. As I remember sometime early next year is when the process will be considered. Anyone have an opinion, or read anything, as to whether the massive problems with the UP will cause the FRA or other agencies to think seriously about not breaking up Conrail and merging the two pieces with two different railroads. And finally, if the break up and mergers don't occur, is there any reason that Conrail would not continue to operate as a profitable railroad (I assume it is profitable)? Don Harper Texas A&M Marine Lab 5007 Avenue U Galveston, TX 77551 409/740-4540; fax 409/740-5002 harperd@tamug.tamu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: P2K GP9's From: asmiller@mail11.mitre.org (Andrew S. Miller) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 08:58:22 -0500 Content-Length: 2668 I just innocently wandered into my local hobby shop last week and saw the P2K GP9's. I hadn't intended to buy any and did not know where I would come up with the money but I fell in love. I hadn't dropped $100 on locos since I started sending my son to private school and getting regular tuition bills in the mail, but these I had to have. After all it was trains or my first born, lets keep our priorities straight ;-) I thought once I got them to the club, ran them and did some work on them, I should offer a report. 1. P2K takes all the fun out of model RRing! They provide almost all the detail you could ever want. So much for superdetailing your commercial diesels! I added the twin-connector MU jumper stands from their parts bag. You have to drill a #76 hole for each of them. 2. They (2 units) pulled a 25 car freight over our steepest mountain at the North Shore Club. I've been told that its 2-2.5%, but I think one spot near the top comes closer to 3%. This was a bit disappointing. Based upon my experiences with their E8s, I expected a lot more; but in retrospect, they can put a lot more weight in an E8 than in a GP9. The cars were all Athearn, InterMountain, Red Cabbose, and other plastic reefers, with a brass caboose. They were begining to break into a sweat with the 25 car train and would not handle 28 cars on the next test. 3. I had to paint the handrail ends yellow. Being their traditional unbreakable "engineering" plastic, I suspect I will spend the rest of my life touching-up the handrail paint. 4. I moved the horns from the top of the short hood. The PRR defined the long hood forward and the horns were either just aft or just forward of the dynamic brake fan. I have picture of both locations. They always faced toward the long hood end. 5. I have not yet added the radio antennae. That will be project #145 on my list. 6. My personal opinion, (and I hope not to restart another of the long threads on this subject) is that they are too green. But to be honest, I hadn't noticed that they were green at all until I ran them with a repainted Athearn GP7B. I intend to weather them with grimy black and hope that will tone down the color. regards Andy Miller ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: Roberts' _Triumph_ (was: is this true??) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 9:04:32 EST Content-Length: 1730 > >I haven't yet looked at a copy of Roberts's new book, although I indend to > >do so in the near future. Although the comments on it here and elsewhere in > >cyberspace have been positive, I've also heard some negative comments, most > >of which are critical of the author's "anectodal" style ... which can be > >both entertaining _and_ dangerously subjective. > > I have read this book and yes, I would agree that the style is extremely > subjective. Matters of interpretation are often passed off as fact, in my > opinion. The text also contains a distressingly high number of factual > errors, at the least in the Altoona-Johnstown segment with which I'm most > familiar. The T1 fireman nonsense is so silly as not to warrant further > comment. It is unfortunate that the author did not include a > list/discussion of his sources. Mike et al., I've not read the book yet, but if the book has this degree of problems, y'all should write a letter to the publisher. 5 or 10 such letters would be significant in this small market and would cause the publisher to demand more from Roberts' next go-around. If anyone is willing to compile a list of errors known to them and forward them to me, I am willing to collate and post on my Web site, and notify the publisher of its existence. -- Mark D. Bej bejm@eeg.ccf.org ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: bill.laird@coastalcorp.com Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 9:15:27 -0600 Subject: Breakup of Conrail -Reply Content-Length: 2407 >>> "harperd@tamug.tamu.edu" 10/28/97 07:01am wrote>>> As you may have read or heard, UP had another wreck, this time fairly close to home. The latest information I've obtained this morning from the Railspot listserver is that one train ran a red light. The train that was moving was going only about 10 mph, and both crews evacuated before impact, so no one was seriously hurt. Some of the engines are a total loss. I live about a mile from the wreck site and was on my way home about 3:30 PM, Sunday, Oct 26, when I spotted the large column of smoke. I got as close as the authorities would allow, which was about 1/4 mile. >From there I could see a jumbled mass of locomotives on fire. One locomotive had climbed up on top of of another and was resting sideways across the track and at about a 45 degree angle on top of the other locomotive. The fire department was pouring several streams of water into the mass and several times I saw large erruptions of flame as a fuel tank exploded. It took well over an hour to knock the fire down to just smoldering. The accident took place on a broad curve just where the double track main out of Houston goes to single track. The area is heavily wooded so that with the curve I am sure neither crew had much time to see the other train before the collision. It is fortunate indeed that they all four jumped. I went by the wreck site last night (Monday) on my way home. All the rolling stock from both trains had been removed. Three locomotives were left in a heap. Two were burned almost beyound recognition. One was obviously a locomotive but heavily dammaged. Lots of heavy equipment around the site and activity to remove the remaining pieces. I do not know when they reopened the track, but last night I could hear many more trains than normal, all night long, as I guess they try to clear some of the backlog. Bill Laird Houston, TX (back home from London) ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:29:40 -0700 From: Bill Daniels Subject: Triumph 1 Content-Length: 954 Guys... I ran across an ad for this book the other day, which had several glowing reviews from "prominent railroad editors" (none of which were identified). Interesting...seems that Barnard does the same thing with his advertising that he does with his other facts, and that is to literally make them up. It's interesting to note that none of the railroad magazines has bothered to review it. I will not buy it, nor can I recommend it to anyone else in view of it's considerable inaccuracies. Best of luck to Jerry and his new family. Bill Daniels, Tucson AZ ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: bill.laird@coastalcorp.com Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 9:30:00 -0600 Subject: Air compressor & tank -Reply Content-Length: 2534 >>> "geshick@velocity.net" 10/27/97 10:28pm wrote>>> I've been keeping an eye out for a used air compressor so that I can spend more money later on an air brush. In yesterday's paper K-Mart advertised an AC Delco 110v compressor (115 psi, no tank) for about $37 and a 9-gallon air tank (w/ regulator, I believe) for $25. Bingo! My wife bought one & my mother-in-law the other for me as Christmas presents. I can't say how well they'll work yet, but I'm sure they'll do fine. I don't know if it's a national sale, but if so & you're in the market for a compressor, you can save yourself some big bucks. Congratulations Jerry! You will not regret your decision. With what you describe, you will be able to use the compressor to fill the tank, then manually turn off the compressor and use the air in the tank to supply the airbrush. A regulator on the tank to control the pressure to the airbrush is mandatory. Once the tank is exhausted you will have to manually turn on the compressor and refill the tank. Still much better than buying propellant cans. With the addition of a pressure switch, you can eliminate the manual on/off of the compressor and let the switch turn on the compressor when the pressure in the tank gets below a set value and turn it off when it reaches another set value. As long as the low, turn on value is less than the working pressure out of the regulator and the volume of air being used is less than the output of the compressor, you get a constant flow of air at the regulated pressure. Such pressure switches are available where parts for pressure water systems are sold. I bought mine at Grainger for about $ 20. The one I bought had a set value between the upper and lower limits of 20 pounds and you could adjust where the lower limit was. Mine is set to turn on the compressor at 80 pounds and off at 100 pounds. This is quite a bit higher than the 20-30 pounds usually needed for airbrushing, but I also use my compressor for other things. Enjoy your new supply of air and freedom from propellant cans. Bill Laird Houston, Texas ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: Triumph 1 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 11:46:20 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 1863 RE: Folklore I (err...Triumph I): On 10/28/97 11:29 AM, Bill Daniels (bdaniels@rtd.com) wrote: >I ran across an ad for this book the other day, which had several >glowing reviews from "prominent railroad editors" (none of which were >identified). Interesting...seems that Barnard does the same thing with >his advertising that he does with his other facts, and that is to >literally make them up. It's interesting to note that none of the >railroad magazines has bothered to review it. I will not buy it, nor can >I recommend it to anyone else in view of it's considerable inaccuracies. I did buy the book. Yes, I too question many of the claims in the text. However, the book also contains numerous (dozens actually) of photos that I have not seen anywhere else, and they are of interest to me. Therefore, I purchased out of interest in the photography. Unfortunately, with this much criticism in the content of Triumph I, perhaps it will jeopardize the later planned volume on the Middle Division. True, I want to see a Middle Division volume that is accurate, but enough negative feedback to the publisher is likely to axe the project. Hmmm. Tough call. > >Best of luck to Jerry and his new family. Thanks! Mom and baby are doing well. --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:41:11 -0500 From: mxb13@psu.edu (Michael Bezilla) Subject: Re: Triumph 1 Content-Length: 1133 Jerry wrote: >Unfortunately, with this much criticism in the content of Triumph I, >perhaps it will jeopardize the later planned volume on the Middle >Division. True, I want to see a Middle Division volume that is accurate, >but enough negative feedback to the publisher is likely to axe the >project. I guess I'd look at it this way -- almost any book with "PRR" on it will be commercially successful, regardless of quality, just because there are so many PRR fans out there thirsting for more info and with $ to spend on books. My hope is that constructive criticism now of vol. I will cause the author/publisher not to abandon the middle division book, but make it better than vol. 1. We will all gain from such an outcome. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:31:19 -0500 From: Stephen Bartlett Subject: Re: Air compressor & tank Content-Length: 1528 Kris Kollar wrote, > >you >might consider getting an air dryer too. I got mine from Sears several >years back for around $20. Remember as the air is squeezed and put >under >pressure moisture will condense and might find its way thru the >airbrush >and wreck that beautiful DGLE paint job. I would also recommend a cooling coil between the compressor and the air dryer. I have had the experience in humid Summer weather of the system warming up enough during extended painting that air remained hot enough going through the trap to carry vaporized moisture through as well. An article in the September, 1971, Railroad Model Craftsman described an inexpensive cooling coil. It was made of 12 feet of 3/16 inch copper tubing wound around a propane tank for a 2 inch diameter form, spacing the turns about 1/8 in. apart, with a tee outlet at the bottom with a #70 bleeder hole to continuously drain out water. (Remove the tank after winding the coil). Since using the coil in addition to the moisture trap I have had NO moisture problems. And, Kris, please tell us about the sray booth. Thanks. Steve Bartlett ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: George.Pierson@trnty.edu (George Pierson) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 14:56:35 CST Subject: This and that... Content-Length: 2046 Hi, everyone, RE Triumph I, a few thoughts. One, Roberts is his own publisher (I think) so no help will be forthcoming from publisher. Two, with all its faults there is still a lot of good info in the book. The problem is identifying what is the good info. Simple footnoting would help. Three, at the risk of incurring the wrath of older PRR fans, will anyone else tackle projects of this magnitude? Some of the older hands, who know the most, seem unlikely to do much to publish this in my lifetime. One solution - encourage Roberts to have the text reviewed by some of the known authorities on the PRR. Roberts could still retain his anecdotal style so dear to him while correcting some of the obvious gaffes. I am concerned that a full court press of criticism would make a guy with Roberts ego give up on the future volumes. I would second collecting a list of obvious errors to forward to Roberts. Under more misc. thoughts, two questions. One, I'm modeling a MIddle Div. interlocking tower (a modified Gloorcraft Jacks Tower). What was the color of the interior walls of the room with the levers, model boeard, etc.? Was there a standard. The year I'm modeling is the ever-popular 1950. Second, does anyone have info on train operations on the Cherry Tree & Dixonville branch of the PRR? It was in northwestern PA and was jointly owned with the NYC. What sort of equipment was used on passenger runs? Were engines turned? Where? What was the frequency of freight train service? Sincerely, George N. Pierson, Ph.D. george.pierson@trnty.edu Dept. of Philosophy, Trinity Christian College ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "N Campbell" Subject: Re: P2K GP9's Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:56:08 -0500 Content-Length: 3554 Andy, I think that you will find that the phase III GP 9s didn't have Trainphone s on them . I say this after searching over 100 photos of GP 9s and have not found them on nany phase IIIs . So maybe you can reduce your project list, ha! Neil Campbell ncampbell@iname.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew S. Miller To: PRR-Talk@dsop.com Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 9:13 AM Subject: P2K GP9's >I just innocently wandered into my local hobby shop last week and saw the P2K >GP9's. I hadn't intended to buy any and did not know where I would come up >with the money but I fell in love. I hadn't dropped $100 on locos since I >started sending my son to private school and getting regular tuition bills in >the mail, but these I had to have. After all it was trains or my first born, >lets keep our priorities straight ;-) > >I thought once I got them to the club, ran them and did some work on them, I >should offer a report. > >1. P2K takes all the fun out of model RRing! They provide almost all the >detail you could ever want. So much for superdetailing your commercial >diesels! I added the twin-connector MU jumper stands from their parts bag. >You have to drill a #76 hole for each of them. > >2. They (2 units) pulled a 25 car freight over our steepest mountain at the >North Shore Club. I've been told that its 2-2.5%, but I think one spot near >the top comes closer to 3%. This was a bit disappointing. Based upon my >experiences with their E8s, I expected a lot more; but in retrospect, they can >put a lot more weight in an E8 than in a GP9. The cars were all Athearn, >InterMountain, Red Cabbose, and other plastic reefers, with a brass caboose. >They were begining to break into a sweat with the 25 car train and would not >handle 28 cars on the next test. > >3. I had to paint the handrail ends yellow. Being their traditional >unbreakable "engineering" plastic, I suspect I will spend the rest of my life >touching-up the handrail paint. > >4. I moved the horns from the top of the short hood. The PRR defined the long >hood forward and the horns were either just aft or just forward of the dynamic >brake fan. I have picture of both locations. They always faced toward the >long hood end. > >5. I have not yet added the radio antennae. That will be project #145 on my >list. > >6. My personal opinion, (and I hope not to restart another of the long >threads on this subject) is that they are too green. But to be honest, I >hadn't noticed that they were green at all until I ran them with a repainted >Athearn GP7B. I intend to weather them with grimy black and hope that will >tone down the color. > >regards >Andy Miller > > >------------------------------------------------------------- >Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". >Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! >------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". > ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:20:21 -0500 From: Chris Brandt Subject: Archive Return Content-Length: 752 The archive of PRR-Talk posts is again available at http://www.eclipse.net/~cobrandt/search.htm Sorry for the delay. -Chris -- _______ __\ /__ ----------\ P /---------- -----------\ R R /----------- ------------\ /------------ \___/ Chris Brandt cobrandt@eclipse.net http://www.eclipse.net/~cobrandt/ ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:43:16 -0500 From: Jerry Shickler Subject: Re: Air compressor & tank Content-Length: 729 Jerry Shickler wrote: > ... In yesterday's paper K-Mart > advertised an AC Delco 110v compressor (115 psi, no tank) for about > $37 and a 9-gallon air tank (w/ regulator, I believe) for $25. After a quick second-look, the tank appears to have a pressure gauge, but no regulator. -- Jerry Shickler Erie, PA e-mail: geshick@velocity.net ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 06:01:18 -0500 From: "CronesRacing@disknet.com" Subject: Painting Pensy Steam Locos Content-Length: 755 Hi! I have always painted the frame, pilot,steam cheast, valve gear and side rods engine black on bowser locos, Can any one tell me what color they should be painted, as I believe it is time to get them correct. I am currently working on a Bowser pacific. Also does any one know of a set of dry transfers for for pensy steam. Thanks in advance for your help. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 12:27:50 GMT (Original EST) From: KKOLLAR@PAMDT.ANG.AF.MIL Subject: Re: Air compressor & tank Content-Length: 9694 Although I'm no expert I did talk to the Graphics experts accross the hallway from me and they said that using an air compressor will work well to clean the dirt off your slides. Just don't set the air pressure too high. Kris Kollar, Hershey,PA ------------- Original Text From: Bnsftulsa@aol.com, on 10/29/97 12:01 PM: In a message dated 97-10-29 10:56:52 EST, you write: > > Jerry and All, > It occurred to me after I posted my thoughts about the cooling coil > that it was intended for a low pressure (around 30 PSI) application. > While the copper tubing might withstand 150 PSI, it should be fabricated > with proper fittings, not butt-soldered like the magazine article > suggested. It should be made up without any soft solder butt joints. I > have to stop at a local plumbing supply this morning and will try to > find out what pressure typical copper tubing is rated for. > This is not a modeling question, but I was watching your comments about air compressors and it brings up a question. Is it possible to use a small air compressor to clean dust, dirt etc off 35mm slides? I have some old slides that are dirty and other than buying a can of air, which can get expensive in the long run, or using film cleaner and a qutip (I hope thats how you spell that) which might do more harm than good, I dont know what to do. Has anyone had this problem too. Dick Brundage Tulsa OK bnsftulsa@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". Subject: Made Change on ListServ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 09:04:20 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 2270 Last night, at around 8:30 p.m., I deleted all pending mail in the outgoing queue of the listserv. Some people will miss some posts, and digests will not be distributed. This gives the listserv a "clean slate" for serving. I also increased its memory allocation, in case the duplicates were a result of low memory conditions that were not reported to me automatically. I am also closely watching returned mail. Users with "permanent account errors" are being deleted (not many, and none I recognize). Those reporting "full mailboxes" are being allowed to continue online. The listserv is supposed to -- and seems to -- correctly identify mail bounces and not repost them to the list. I do not think this is a problem. Whether the above two changes will make a difference or not is yet to be seen. Let me know if anyone gets this post more than once...or any other post that was mailed AFTER 9 p.m., 10/28. If duplications again occur, I suspect a problem with an address in the subscription list...probably a new subscriber. I may have to switch the list to MODERATION for troubleshooting. The address would remain the same, but I would receive list mail and forward it to the listserv for distribution. Unfortunately, this would only happen first thing in the morning and then several times during the evening. However, it would allow me to see if multiple posts are coming in, and what their "headers" look like. The listserv replaces these headers with its own, making the audit trail hard to follow. Again, thanks for your patience. This is frustrating, as nothing changed at my end and the problem just developed on its own. --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:59:35 -0500 From: Stephen Bartlett Subject: Re: Air compressor & tank Content-Length: 904 Jerry and All, It occurred to me after I posted my thoughts about the cooling coil that it was intended for a low pressure (around 30 PSI) application. While the copper tubing might withstand 150 PSI, it should be fabricated with proper fittings, not butt-soldered like the magazine article suggested. It should be made up without any soft solder butt joints. I have to stop at a local plumbing supply this morning and will try to find out what pressure typical copper tubing is rated for. Steve Bartlett ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: Errors in PRR books Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 9:46:07 EST Content-Length: 777 I'm officially widening my offer. I am willing to collect, collate, and Web-publish errata for all PRR-related books. Authors of the comments have to agree to have their name next to the erratum. I'll create the page just as soon as I get the first items. Those of you who've mentioned stuff about _Triumph I_, please re-send them to me. Thanks. -- Mark D. Bej bejm@eeg.ccf.org ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bob Zoeller" Subject: RE: P2K GP9's Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:54:25 -0600 Content-Length: 4080 ---------- From: N Campbell Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 8:56 PM To: Andrew S. Miller; PRR-Talk@dsop.com Subject: Re: P2K GP9's Andy, I think that you will find that the phase III GP 9s didn't have Trainphone s on them . I say this after searching over 100 photos of GP 9s and have not found them on nany phase IIIs . So maybe you can reduce your project list, ha! Neil Campbell ncampbell@iname.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew S. Miller To: PRR-Talk@dsop.com Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 9:13 AM Subject: P2K GP9's >I just innocently wandered into my local hobby shop last week and saw the P2K >GP9's. I hadn't intended to buy any and did not know where I would come up >with the money but I fell in love. I hadn't dropped $100 on locos since I >started sending my son to private school and getting regular tuition bills in >the mail, but these I had to have. After all it was trains or my first born, >lets keep our priorities straight ;-) > >I thought once I got them to the club, ran them and did some work on them, I >should offer a report. > >1. P2K takes all the fun out of model RRing! They provide almost all the >detail you could ever want. So much for superdetailing your commercial >diesels! I added the twin-connector MU jumper stands from their parts bag. >You have to drill a #76 hole for each of them. > >2. They (2 units) pulled a 25 car freight over our steepest mountain at the >North Shore Club. I've been told that its 2-2.5%, but I think one spot near >the top comes closer to 3%. This was a bit disappointing. Based upon my >experiences with their E8s, I expected a lot more; but in retrospect, they can >put a lot more weight in an E8 than in a GP9. The cars were all Athearn, >InterMountain, Red Cabbose, and other plastic reefers, with a brass caboose. >They were begining to break into a sweat with the 25 car train and would not >handle 28 cars on the next test. > >3. I had to paint the handrail ends yellow. Being their traditional >unbreakable "engineering" plastic, I suspect I will spend the rest of my life >touching-up the handrail paint. > >4. I moved the horns from the top of the short hood. The PRR defined the long >hood forward and the horns were either just aft or just forward of the dynamic >brake fan. I have picture of both locations. They always faced toward the >long hood end. > >5. I have not yet added the radio antennae. That will be project #145 on my >list. > >6. My personal opinion, (and I hope not to restart another of the long >threads on this subject) is that they are too green. But to be honest, I >hadn't noticed that they were green at all until I ran them with a repainted >Athearn GP7B. I intend to weather them with grimy black and hope that will >tone down the color. > >regards >Andy Miller > > >------------------------------------------------------------- >Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". >Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! >------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". > ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bob Zoeller" Subject: P2K GP9 PH III Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:17:53 -0600 Content-Length: 1754 Neil Campbell wrote: "I think that you will find that the phase III GP 9s didn't have Trainphone s on them . I say this after searching over 100 photos of GP 9s and have not found them on nany phase IIIs" . My understanding is that all 4-axle units until the fourth U25B and first GP35 originally had trainphone antennas. For example , I have seen one photo of a GP30 with only the stanchion stubs left (antenna half removed). Neil, in your research you may be facing the same phenomenon I had when I questioned the tailsign on Tower and Mountain View. I since found in a 1980 Rails Northeast a picture of the 4-track "Broad Way" tailsign on one of these cars and a comment from Bob Reid that he wasn't sure but thought that tailsign was changed to letters only in 1962. That would mean that from 1949 to 1962 these cars had the original tailsign and I have found only that one operations photo to show it! All others that I saw must have postdated 1962 or Reid was off (as he said, he wasn't sure). You may have a similar date phenomenonon in your Phase III photo/slide collection (or, horrors, I am wrong about my first statement). BTW, Rails Northeast article in early 80's on GP9B's stated all were Phase III, in case that question comes up. I solve these problems by establishing December 18, 1951 as my equipment cutoff date. Regards Bob Zoeller ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:39:07 -0500 (EST) From: Bnsftulsa@aol.com Subject: Re: Air compressor & tank Content-Length: 1516 In a message dated 97-10-29 10:56:52 EST, you write: > > Jerry and All, > It occurred to me after I posted my thoughts about the cooling coil > that it was intended for a low pressure (around 30 PSI) application. > While the copper tubing might withstand 150 PSI, it should be fabricated > with proper fittings, not butt-soldered like the magazine article > suggested. It should be made up without any soft solder butt joints. I > have to stop at a local plumbing supply this morning and will try to > find out what pressure typical copper tubing is rated for. > This is not a modeling question, but I was watching your comments about air compressors and it brings up a question. Is it possible to use a small air compressor to clean dust, dirt etc off 35mm slides? I have some old slides that are dirty and other than buying a can of air, which can get expensive in the long run, or using film cleaner and a qutip (I hope thats how you spell that) which might do more harm than good, I dont know what to do. Has anyone had this problem too. Dick Brundage Tulsa OK bnsftulsa@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:26:14 -0500 (EST) From: Eichhorn@aol.com Subject: Bank Now Data? Content-Length: 1852 Jerry and all, I just received the following and I'm confused, to say the least. The file that is attached pertains to "Bank Now Data". Did anyone else get this? George >>Subject: Re: Air compressor & tank Date: 97-10-29 12:42:59 EST From: KKOLLAR@PAMDT.ANG.AF.MIL Sender: PRR-Talk@dsop.com To: Bnsftulsa@aol.com, PRR-Talk@dsop.com File: ATTRIBS.BND (5213 bytes) DL time (26400 baud): < 1 minute ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from mrin70.mail.aol.com (mrin70.mail.aol.com [152.163.116.108]) by air05.mail.aol.com (v35) with SMTP; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:42:59 -0500 Received: from [204.186.21.83] (cs6-03.pcn.ptd.net [204.186.21.83]) by mrin70.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id MAA07069; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dsop.com by dsop.com with POP3; Wed, 29 Oct 97 12:38:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 12:27:50 GMT (Original EST) Message-ID: From: KKOLLAR@PAMDT.ANG.AF.MIL To: Bnsftulsa@aol.com, PRR-Talk@dsop.com Subject: Re: Air compressor & tank X-Incognito-SN: 880 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=1.74 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip 2.0 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: >> ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: bill.laird@COASTALCORP.COM Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:32:39 -0600 Subject: NOVATECH Complaints Content-Length: 1363 There have been previous posts here regarding complaints against NovaTech Plastics for delivery of substandard merchandise, failure to deliver, and the inability to obtain refunds. Having suffered from NovaTech's dishonest business practices, I have done a little research and discovered that complaints against them should be made to: Ministry of Consumer and Commercial Relations Communications Services Branch 250 Yonge Street, 35th Floor Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5B 2N5 I urge all of you who have had bad experiences with NovaTech to send details to the above address. Enough complaints may warrant action. I also sent a copy of my complaint to Kalmbach Publishing at the following address urging them not to accept any future advertising from NovaTech. Model Railroader Kalmbach Publishing P.O. Box 1612 Waukesha, WI 53187-1612 Please pass this information on to anyone else who has been victimized by NovaTech. Bill Laird Houston, Texas ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Harry W. Fitch IV" Subject: Re: Painting Pensy Steam Locos Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 19:13:18 -0500 Content-Length: 2276 Jeff, There have been many threads on painting on this list before and some are archived. For my 2 cents worth of advise, I would not paint the side rods, main rods & valve gear black. On a locomotive in service these parts tend to be oil covered, natural metal color, with whatever grime that may have accumulated in service. Due to the nature of steam locomotive service and use, the "rods" would have had a lot of lubrication and inspection from crews and shop personnel. The piston rod would be almost a mirror finish until just before it's connection to the cross head. (the stroke determines where the grime-line begins) As a side note, most railroad's engines had the road number and the letters L & R stamped on unique parts of the rods and valve gear for ID during shop work. Of course you would have to be modeling in 3/4" scale to ever see them. Harry W. Fitch hfitch@maranatha.net Acts 4:12 ---------- > From: CronesRacing@disknet.com > To: prr-talk@dsop.com > Subject: Painting Pensy Steam Locos > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 6:01 AM > > Hi! I have always painted the frame, pilot,steam cheast, valve gear and > side rods engine black on bowser locos, Can any one tell me what color > they should be painted, as I believe it is time to get them correct. I > am currently working on a Bowser pacific. Also does any one know of a > set of dry transfers for for pensy steam. > Thanks in advance for your help. > Jeff > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". > Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! > ------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Joe Gotaskie" Subject: Re: Breakup of Conrail Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:54:33 -0500 Content-Length: 1156 > I gather from some of the posts I've read recently that there were some real > service problems after the merger, problems partly related to the fact that it > was a merger of "equals" in which the administrative types, and their respective > styles, of both railroads stayed on the job, at least for some time, and partly > the problems associated with trying to merge two systems. > > Some of the same problems seem to be occurring because of the UP-SP merger. I > am wondering if these problems will have a ripple effect on the breakup of > Conrail. >From all the things I've read coming from NS, they are suppose to be studying the problems these other roads had in hopes to avoid the same mess. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Joe ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:59:21 -0500 From: Stephen Bartlett Subject: Re: Air compressor & tank Content-Length: 2029 Bnsftulsa@aol.com wrote: > > Is it possible to use a small air compressor to clean dust, dirt > etc off 35mm slides? I have some old slides that are dirty and other > than buying a can of air, which can get expensive in the long run, or > using film cleaner and a qutip (I hope thats how you spell that) which > might do more harm than good, I dont know what to do. > Has anyone had this problem too. > Dick Brundage Tulsa OK bnsftulsa@aol.com Dick, You are probably in a drier climate than where I grew up, in Beaumont, Texas. We had humidity there that would rot plastic screwdriver handles. One problem we had with slides (and lenses) was a fungus that grew on the surfaces, including the inner elements of camera lenses. It looks like little thready lines, almost like spider webs, and will eventually eat into the surface and become permanent. Any external buildup we removed with alcohol, probably isopropyl. Rubbing alcohol contains glycerin, and denatured alcohol leaves a heavy residue. Q-tips work for this. For the last 30 years or so, at least Kodak processing has been putting a coating on slides that should protect them; earlier slides can be hit pretty badly. Fungus inside a lens is a job for a good camera repair shop. As long as you are using clean air, from a diaphragm compressor, or have adequate filtering on a piston compressor,you should be all right. Back on the main subject, I am still looking for the pressure rating of copper tubing - maybe tomorrow. Windsurfing called today. Not too many left - water down to 51 deg f., but some great rides! Steve Bartlett ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:14:00 -0500 From: Jerry Shickler Subject: Chris Brandt's PRR-Talk Archive Content-Length: 915 It's great to see Chris Brandt's PRR-Talk archive back online. It makes sifting through all the info here much easier. I found, however, that I've been shooting myself in the foot by including my hometown in my signature file (message at the bottom of all my e-mails). When I searched for posts relating to Erie, all of my posts & all those which quote them show up, whether they pertain to Erie or not. Just a hint to those who do the same... -- Jerry Shickler (for the last time...) Erie, PA e-mail: geshick@velocity.net ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 04:48:10 -0500 From: "CronesRacing@disknet.com" Subject: Painting Pensy Steam Content-Length: 1364 First of all I would like to thank all of you for your excelent and most helpfull replies, about paint colors. Secondly I would like to say that I only posted the message once. I am not sure why any one would get more than one copy other than the server problems. I understand from what I have read that this problem is being addressed. I do not think there is any need for the type of reply that follows. The person responsible for the reply most likley didn't know the answer either. SUVCWORR@aol.com wrote: > > You posted the exact same message seven times (6:07, 6:09, 6:12, 7:25, 7:28, > 7:30, and 11:05 all pm EST). Do you expect and instanteous answer or are you > in the middle of a paint job and decided to ask. This is a waste of band > width and my connect time. Since I had to spend so much time reading your > repeated message, I don't have time to answer. Thanks, Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Duplicates Anyone? Date: Thu, 30 Oct 97 08:08:49 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 1146 Since my post referring to changes yesterday, only one person has reported duplicates. It was a minor case involving two posts. There was also a comment about "Bank Now Data" with a purported attached file. The listserv doesn't allow attachments, so it wasn't included. Has anyone been receiving dupes since 8:30 p.m. on Tuesday, Oct. 28th? If so, what was the SUBJECT, who was the SENDER, and what time(s) did it appear to have been sent? I have more in-depth logging turned on, which may help. Thanks for all of your patient cooperation. --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "David Benn" Subject: U33C modeling Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:32:02 +0900 Content-Length: 1303 SPF children of diesel, Receiving a couple Atlas models soon and have been reading as much as I have resources about the PRR ordered units. Anyone tackled the project and have some lessons learned or can you point me to a discussion that predates my subscribing (pre OCT97). Especially concerning the number of equipment box doors under the cab, the corresponding handrail (re)arrangement, and the hood opening filters back on the radiator section. Also, were can you get cab signal equipment boxes (old-big, newer-smaller) that PRR placed in front of the engineers side of the cab. Also has there been discussion of a what if roster similar to that presented on one of the EL pages? Would PRR been driven by fuel considerations to the medium horsepower B-B units like the (PC) did? Any discussions and insight on this would be appreciated! Along the Tokaido mainline, near Yokohama Japan Dave ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: bill.laird@coastalcorp.com Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 8:38:20 -0600 Subject: NOVATECH is at it again! Content-Length: 968 Keep your credit cards in your wallets and your checkbooks closed. NovaTech Plastics is baiting PRR modellers with dreams of C-Liner shells (comming soon according to their ad in the latest MR). Remember the FM-Erie Built shells. Many orders were never shipped. Those who did receive them sent them back because they were trash and they can't get refunds (even though the NovaTech web site says "Satisfaction is guaranteed, or you money will be cheeffully refunded"). You have been warned! Bill Laird Still waiting for the FM-Erie Built shells ordered March 20, 1997. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:47:25 +0000 Subject: Re: U33C modeling From: locoshop@juno.com (Jeremy C Helms) Content-Length: 2118 Hello. The equipment boxes are available from Detail Associates--both the large and small ones. Also wanted to let you know that myself and a couple others are working on modernizing the PRR. We took it from the perspective that the PRR-NYC merger was denied and worked it from there. PRR has remained the dominant railroad in the East--becoming the eastern equivalent of the UP who bought out all these railroads and remains its own entity. They have purchased Central of NJ, N&W, LV, and a number of other smaller roads. This is a work in progress. We have hammered out the October 1997 motive power roster and are in the process of breaking it down into orders and years delivered. We have yet to tackle the ominous task of car roster, train symbols, train schedule, route mileage, tonnage, traffic flows and so on. We are make the PRR the "Standard Railroad of the World" again with PRR going MOSTLY to EMD for their products like the PRR of the late 60s. Any help or anything you wish to give ideas on would be greatly appreciated. Question: Are you going to do the U33Cs in PRR or PC as they really were delivered? I currently have a PRR Kato -9, Athearn GP40-2, and Athearn SW1500. Again this is a progress in work. Kevin Tully (another fellow doing this) and myself have access to our own web pages (mine is in the works) where we are going to put forth the history (post 1968) and roster, schedule, and photos of modern PRR units and cars. Just some ideas on what is going on. We are the only group doing this at present that we know of. We were thinking if we standardize this others might follow and make it even more plausible. Jeremy Helms Pennsylvania Railroad into the Future ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:48:25 -0400 From: smithfam@earth.sunlink.net Subject: Track Map Content-Length: 664 Does anyone have any ideas about where I can find a detailed map of the Pennsy? My areas of interest are Sunbury & Lewistown R.R., Selinsgrove, Sunbury, Lewistown, and Harrisburg. An internet downloadable map would be the easiest for me to work with. Thanks alot, Brandon Smith ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:13:31 -0800 From: Stan Feldman Subject: PRR-PAGE-UPDATED !! Content-Length: 1140 Hello all stations; I have updated my PRR Vintage Ad Page at--- http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/1030/vintage.html with some new images, and broken down the page into 4 sections so it will be faster to load.< I hope !! > Please visit and enjoy !! Stan *********************************************************** -----STAN'S RAILPIX---------- Railroad Photo Gallery http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/1030/railpix.html ****************************************************** Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it !! *********************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SUVCW ORR Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:40:57 EST Subject: Re: Painting Pensy Steam Content-Length: 1502 In a message dated 97-10-30 17:15:31 EST, CronesRacing@disknet.com (CronesRacing@disknet.com) writes: << (snip) Secondly I would like to say that I only posted the message once. I am not sure why any one would get more than one copy other than the server problems. I understand from what I have read that this problem is being addressed. I do not think there is any need for the type of reply that follows. The person responsible for the reply most likley didn't know the answer either. >> Jeff: Since your message was the only one which appeared multiple times unlike previously when most messages were reposted several times, it leads one to belive it is not the list server. As to your last sentence, your about as close to be correct with your assumption as those who continue to support the theory that the earth is flat and there are any number of people on this list who know that. Since this is way off topic, I will not respond to any further postings regarding this matter. Particularly when my posting was private reply to you and you reposted it on the list. Rich Orr ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:07:41 -0500 From: Jerry Shickler Subject: P2K E7's in DGLE! Content-Length: 1054 Here is a post from rec.models.railroad: > The fourth run of E-7's will include the PRR's Brunswick Green with 5 > stripe variation. Two A's and two B's will be available. The > complete listing of the E-7's and the new run of 8,000 Gallon tank > cars will be in the Railroad Telegraph on our web site by tomorrow. > > Dennis > D & S HOBBIES > And the world rejoices! BTW, I only received one copy of the disputed 'Painting Pensy Steam' post. I've been a subscriber since May, & this is the first time I've seen anything but respect & helpfulness on PRR-Talk. Let's save the ill feelings for NYC fans :-) -- Jerry Shickler e-mail: geshick@velocity.net ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:48:27 -0500 From: jlrosen Subject: Con-Cor E-7As for sale Content-Length: 871 I haven't been on the list too long so I'm not sure this is proper but: I have two HO scale Con-Cor E-7As I would like to sell. I won them at our club banquet a few years ago and had planned to detail and paint them BUT... They are single stripe Tuscan different numbers, new in box and have been test run only. Included is one set of Cal-scale nose lift rings and one set of antenna stantions. Price is $50.00 for the pair including shipping. Thanks, John W Rosenbauer ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:12:10 -0800 From: Roger Elliott Subject: How to paint PRR Steam Again? Content-Length: 1788 Hi Folks, FIrst let me say congrats to Jerry on his new "switcher" loco! I have two Kato Mikados in N-scale that I want to repaint. I seem to remember a number of threads about painting steam locos, so please forgive my asking again for the basic paint scheme. I seem to remember the roof of the cab is painted brown. What color was the firebox? I'm thinking about doing my own modifying of the Mikado to represent an L-1 instead of the L-2. I think I can create a Belpaire boiler on the Kato shell. I know some of the other details won't be exact. I'm also going to try and move the headlight up to the top. That and I want to add a "doghouse" to the tender. I know GHQ is taking reservations on L-1 kits but at $100 a pop, it's a little tight for my budget at this point. Does anyone have any good plans to work from that I could get a xerox of? Any suggestions about making the firebox correctly? Speaking of Sharks, I have two RF-16s that I made by converting an Atlas RS-11 and using a body shell from RainTree products. They work really well. I would love to find a BP-20 but the last one I saw in N-scale was $250 and it was resin castings. So I stay happy with my Lifelike E8 painted in Tuscan with the single stripe and large letters. I run it in front of some Kato Passenger cars. Thanks for the help! Roger Elliott relliott.telis@mail.telis.org ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: lyperson@webtv.net (Lyman Mark) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 01:40:38 -0600 Subject: Lewisburg & Tyrone Content-Length: 736 Earlier there was interest expressed concerning maps and info about the Sunbury & Lewistown R.R. I have the same desire for info about the Lewisburg & Tyrone. I know that nowadays there's a tourist line that runs between Lewisburg and Mifflinburg but I haven't had much luck finding out about the past. Any ideas where I can look? Thanks. Lyman ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:29:49 -0800 From: Ron Dugas Subject: E-R Models: RF16, FP7A. Content-Length: 757 Hi All, For those interested in the re-issue of the Roco Sharks and FP's there is a picture in the Nov. 97 "Model Railroad News". Yes, the Shark is Tuscan 5-stripe. The FP is painted for some obscure west coast short-line. Something to do with spiders, I think. They state in the text "refinements include new motor, DCC ready...". Due out in "98". Enjoy, Ron. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:29:33 -0500 From: mxb13@psu.edu (Michael Bezilla) Subject: Re: Lewisburg & Tyrone Content-Length: 965 Lyman Mark wrote: >Earlier there was interest expressed concerning maps and info about the >Sunbury & Lewistown R.R. I have the same desire for info about the >Lewisburg & Tyrone. There is no one source that covers the L&T branch very well. Mostly bits & pieces scattered throughout articles, books etc. But you might start with a master's thesis, William P. Hughes, Centre County Railroad Development and Progress, 1850-90, that was done at Penn State in 1977. It should be available on interlibrary loan. It gives a lot of background on building the L&T. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: More on Duplicates Date: Fri, 31 Oct 97 10:38:44 -0400 From: "Jerry Britton" Content-Length: 1081 This morning I reinstalled the ListServ software...but retained the existing subscriber list and preferences files. I also reduced the number of concurrent outbound SMTP connections from 5 to 3, thinking it could be a timeout problem. As of this post, please report dupes to "listmaster@dsop.com" so that I may troubleshoot it over the weekend. As always, thanks for your very gracious patience. I am totally sympathetic to what my server must be doing to your mailboxes. 8-( --------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Macintosh Systems Administrator Progressive Information Technologies britton@pit-magnus.com http://www.pit-magnus.com 1 JPEG = 1K words ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: NYLE 6101 (fwd) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:24:42 EST Content-Length: 1323 Greetings, all. Forwarding from personal email. Please respond to the author if you can help. Forwarded message: > The New York and Lake Erie RR in upstate NY (Buffalo area) currently > rosters an ALCO c-425 that came from Morrison Knudeson in Hornell NY as > 6101. > > I understand that the unit was previously a PRR unit. There is a spot in > the cab that has the distinct shape of a cab signal. > > I dont know what the PRR number may have been but I am looking for any > info concerning the history of this unit. > > Thanks in Advance for any info you might be able to provide! > > William J. Enser Co-Network Administrator > Technical Support & Validations > alcoman@bluemoon.net net.bluemoon.net - Blue Moon Online System > X2 & K56flex Access bbs.bluemoon.net - Bulletin Board System > http://www.bluemoon.net mud.bluemoon.net 4000 - MoonMUD -- Mark ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:55:42 -0500 (EST) From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Subject: Re: How to paint PRR Steam Again? Content-Length: 1790 Roger: The exact painting instruction for PRR steam changed several times. Generally, the painting instructions for post WWII were as follows. Tender: Sides and ends DGLE. Underframe and trucks -- black. Tender deck varried as to when it was painted, i.e. new construction, minor repair, major repairs. A 50-50 mixture of PRR freight car color and black is the safest choice. Locomotive: Frame, valves, running gear, pilot -- black. Smoke box, ash pan, fire box - powdered aluminium mixed in oil. The amount of powdered alumium varried from one paint shop to another depending on the aesthetic of the shop foreman. Thus you may have a very shinny aluminium color or a very dark dull color. The fromulae for mixing the color is as varried as the original paint color. Aluminium mixed with black to a color you like is usable. I use Floquil gun metal and black in approximately a 60-40 ration. However every batch is different. The cab roof may be painted a "brown" color or DGLE. As with the tender deck, the exact color depends on the reason for the re-paint. Generally, a mixture of freight car color and black will suffice. Even new paint jobs of plain freight car color quickly darkened because of soot from the locomotive. The remainder of the loco is DGLE. Some locos had gold leaf around the cab windows. Interior of the cab is light green. Rich Orr ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Drye, John" Subject: E7s in Brunswick Green Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:19:43 -0500 Content-Length: 925 >Here is a post from rec.models.railroad: > >> The fourth run of E-7's will include the PRR's Brunswick Green with 5 > >>stripe variation. Two A's and two B's will be available. The > complete >>listing of the E-7's and the new run of 8,000 Gallon tank > cars will be in >>the Railroad Telegraph on our web site by tomorrow. >> Who is the manufacturer of the upcoming E7s? What scale? (As an N-Scaler, I'm used to assuming HO in lieu of specific information to the contrary, but I'm always optimistic ) Thanks, John Drye ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Duplicate Posts Update --Know the Problem! Date: Fri, 31 Oct 97 23:01:20 -0400 From: Jerry Content-Length: 2383 Though not yet resolved, we have pinpointed the cause of the duplicate posts. Please stand by as the publisher of the software works with me...which will likely be on hold until Monday. In a nutshell: The server optimizes deliveries when there are multiple recipients within a destination domain. It can send the message once, with an attached distribution list. Going through the logs, using feedback from subscribers, we can track when the first copy of a message was sent...backtrack to find when the connection was opened...and follow it as it creates the distribution list for the domain. The message is then transferred. In EVERY case, the destination mail server does not confirm receipt. About two minutes later, the listserv times out the connection and contacts the next MX-record mail server for the domain. The cycle repeats until the receipt is finally received. If one is not recieved and there are no more mail servers at the domain, the listserv waits an hour and tries again. Therefore, the number of posts you receive in a "batch" is equal to the number of servers accepting mail for your domain. In the case of AOL, for instance, there are usually three servers. Therefore, AOL users get three copies of the message, then more an hour later, until finally the AOL server confirms receipt! NO, I am not blaming this on the destination servers! It is likely a timeout issue on my server, my connection, my ISP, or somewhere along the line. That is where we are "testing" wise. We know the problem, we just need to correct it! BTW: This is why most users that are the sole subscriber at their domain do not receive dupes, including myself at my work address and at this address. Sure makes troubleshooting tough! ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton "Keystone Crossings" http://prr.dsop.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 21:17:49 -0800 From: Roger Elliott Subject: Re: E7s in Brunswick Green Content-Length: 1731 Drye, John wrote: > >Here is a post from rec.models.railroad: > > > >> The fourth run of E-7's will include the PRR's Brunswick Green with > 5 > > >>stripe variation. Two A's and two B's will be available. The > > complete > >>listing of the E-7's and the new run of 8,000 Gallon tank > cars > will be in > >>the Railroad Telegraph on our web site by tomorrow. > >> > > Who is the manufacturer of the upcoming E7s? What scale? (As an > N-Scaler, I'm used to assuming HO in lieu of specific information to > the contrary, but I'm always optimistic ) > > Thanks, > > John Drye > Hello John and others,I'm also an N-thusiast. I would like to verify if E7's were ever painted in PRR Green (or Brunswick or DGLE, etc.). While I'm thinking of it, where can I get plans or drawings of the Steam Turbine S-2? I have photos and an HO model in brass, but I'd like to find the plans/dimensions, etc. Thanks, Roger Elliott > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". > Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! > ------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact > "listmaster@dsop.com". ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:14:09 -0800 From: Roger Elliott Subject: Painting PRR Steam Locos Content-Length: 1710 Hi Folks, FIrst let me say congrats to Jerry on his new "switcher" loco! I have two Kato Mikados in N-scale that I want to repaint. I seem to remember a number of threads about painting steam locos, so please forgive my asking again for the basic paint scheme. I seem to remember the roof of the cab is painted brown. What color was the firebox? I'm thinking about doing my own modifying of the Mikado to represent an L-1 instead of the L-2. I think I can create a Belpaire boiler on the Kato shell. I know some of the other details won't be exact. I'm also going to try and move the headlight up to the top. That and I want to add a "doghouse" to the tender. I know GHQ is taking reservations on L-1 kits but at $100 a pop, it's a little tight for my budget at this point. Does anyone have any good plans to work from that I could get a xerox of? Any suggestions about making the firebox correctly? Speaking of Sharks, I have two RF-16s that I made by converting an Atlas RS-11 and using a body shell from RainTree products. They work really well. I would love to find a BP-20 but the last one I saw in N-scale was $250 and it was resin castings. So I stay happy with my Lifelike E8 painted in Tuscan with the single stripe and large letters. I run it in front of some Kato Passenger cars. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: geshick@velocity.net Date: 04 Jun 97 23:33:57 UT Subject: Re: Anyone know Tuscan background HTML code? Content-Length: 879 jerry@dsop.com wrote: > > Seems everyone is using the "Brunswick" background color for their Web site. > "KC-I" randomly switched between Tuscan and Brunswick. Anyone know or have a > record of the HTML code for the Tuscan that seemed to work so well? > ----------------------------------------------- > Jerry Britton > "Keystone Crossings" http://www.dsop.com/britton/railroad/index.html > Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! > ----------------------------------------------- Here is a portion of the HTML from your diesel numerical roster, which used the tuscan: Hope this helps. I downloaded several of the diesel roster pages from K/C. If you could use them, I'd be happy to send them. -- Jerry Shickler Erie, PA e-mail: geshick@velocity.net !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:33:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Derrick J Brashear Subject: does Life-Like hate us? Content-Length: 609 I noticed PRR will not be among the first release of roadnames for the new HO Life-Like Proto 2000 PA/PB-1's. Sigh. I guess they figure we'll be using all our money to get the E7's and GP9's. Oh well. Wait wait wait.... -D ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:51:24 -0400 From: "Larry P. Morgan" Subject: Re: PRRT&HS Web Page Content-Length: 679 I had not known of the PRRT&HS until I saw the WEB. I used the form to join. I think the problem is a lack of WEB knowledge or interest by those who make the decisions. Web sites take WORK to stay up to date. -- Larry Morgan lpmorgan@iquest.net Greenfield, IN (near Indianapolis) TCA/TTOS ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:35:58 -0400 (EDT) From: VVA249@aol.com Subject: Re: PRRT&HS Content-Length: 457 this did not come back to me from the list - if a duplication my apologies RR ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:35:08 -0500 (CDT) From: rboydrrs@inlink.com (Robert A. Boyd) Content-Length: 1027 >I dunno - seems to me that the 'good ol' boys' clique crap is killing a >lot of good organizations and driving a lot of interested people away. > >Mike Calo Seriously, Mike, I have seen far worse: in a 12" gauge live steam club I used to belong to, that "good ol' boys clique crap" was endangering human lives! If you ever want to see a sample of what PRR branch line track must have been in the darkest days just before the bankruptcy, just give me a hollar. I can also give you some hair raising stories about major pileups. Be thankful the PRRH&TS web site "boys" are only pushing electrons. Bob Those Classic Trains ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:35:13 -0500 (CDT) From: rboydrrs@inlink.com (Robert A. Boyd) Subject: web demo? Content-Length: 657 And Jerry writes: >IMHO, the PRRTHS convention needs an Internet demo...not just of "our" >web sites, but of the whole concept. Actually, that's Not A Bad Idea! All it would take is someone to bring a not too sophisticated computer and modem. Any thoughts here? ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: MAJOR Internet problem today Date: Wed, 1 Oct 97 18:11:32 -0400 From: Jerry Content-Length: 1010 Do not adjust your set... There was a MAJOR Internet addressing problem today, that will wreak havoc on all aspects of Internet usage for days to come. It has to do with a corrupted DNS at the Internic. You can read about it at: http://www2.pageplop.com/pageplop/serverstatus.html The listserv has indeed sent out all messages that it received. However, nothing new seems to be coming in. ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton "Keystone Crossings" http://prr.dsop.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: RailFest Schedule - Schedule - Print if Attending Date: Wed, 1 Oct 97 18:34:40 -0400 From: Jerry Content-Length: 3111 All those who RSVP'd for RailFest, please print and bring this; this is our schedule. I posted to the list as well, in case anyone drops in last minute. You won't be able to sit with us on the train, but we'll try to squeeze you in for dinner. ------------------------------------------------------- RESERVATIONS: Mike Bezilla (1 in party; 0 train; 1 dinner) Jerry Britton (5 in party; 1 train; 5 dinner) Carl Haslett (6 in party; 6 train; 6 dinner) Harold McGee (1 in party; 1 train; 1 dinner) Harry Fitch (2 in party; 2 train; 2 dinner) Drew McGhee (1 in party; 0 train; 1 dinner) Donald Goebel (5 in party; 3 train; 5 dinner) Tom Higginbotham (2 in party; 0 train; 0 dinner) Scott Johnson (via Drew McGhee) (1 in party; 0 train; 1 dinner) ------------------------------------------------------- SCHEDULE: 9:00 - 9:15 a.m. (may be there earlier) Meet near entrance to Railroaders Museum. Will pass out name tags. Use optional; will help attach faces with e-mail addresses. (I'll be the one with the Pennsy hat!) Tour Railroaders Museum - Premier of new movie, first floor of Master Mechanics Building will have exhibits not yet open to public, third floor will have numerous club layouts. Tour Southern Alleghenies Museum of Art - Includes display of William Rau collection of 1890s photos of PRR. Noon Lunch. Bill Lewis (president, Northern Central chapter, PRRTHS, who will be in my party) suggests the McDonalds within walking distance so you can sit and watch the mainline action. 1:00 Meet for 1:30 excursion. We have special arrangements with the museum for this: > Please have your group meet on the east end of the Amtran (city bus authority) > busway platform. The bussway platform is parallel to 10th avenue3 and just > across 13th street from the Amtrak station. > We will have one of our hosts meet you and escort your group to the train >from there. Please advise your members to meet on the bussay platform as we >will not be moving them through the station but will be taking them directly >from the bussway platform to the train. 1:30 - 2:45 p.m. Rail excursion up the mountain, around The Curve, thru the tunnels, to Gillitzin and back. 3:00 p.m. Tour Conrail shops. 6:00 p.m. Dinner at Hoss's. Drew McGhee has contacted them and they know we are coming as a group. It wil be the Altoona Hoss's on Pleasant Valley Blvd. Directions will be available. Looking forward to meeting many of you. See you then! ----------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton "Keystone Crossings" http://prr.dsop.com/ Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: Re: Master Index (fwd) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 18:50:14 EDT Content-Length: 751 > I think this is the ticket. > > Have the main page link to the six or so largest PRR sites of MEMBERS OF > THE SOCIETY and mention PRR-Talk. > > Have a sub-page that is a master index of the sub-pages of those and > other sites. Good. Let's propose this. And maybe a pittance of material on the PRRTHS site, like those silly :-) recipes. -- Mark ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:00:34 -0400 (EDT) From: PRRMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: PS14 Heavyweights Content-Length: 1025 In a message dated 97-09-25 14:05:33 EDT, asmiller@mail11.mitre.org writes: >I believe that Elbert H. Gary should be Elbridge H. Gerry (a signer of the >U.S. DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE You're correct in ID'ing Elbridge Gerry, but these cars were named for industrialists and others whose businesses/activities generated great revenue for the PRR (I'm not sure how George Rogers Clark fits into this category....maybe he opened up some Lines West territory before heading West) Anyway, Elbert H. Gary had a great deal to do with establishing the steel mills in what is now Gary, Indiana and the surrounding area. Rich Copeland ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:38:38 -0400 (EDT) From: PRRMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: PS14 Heavyweights Content-Length: 1025 In a message dated 97-09-25 14:05:33 EDT, asmiller@mail11.mitre.org writes: >I believe that Elbert H. Gary should be Elbridge H. Gerry (a signer of the >U.S. DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE You're correct in ID'ing Elbridge Gerry, but these cars were named for industrialists and others whose businesses/activities generated great revenue for the PRR (I'm not sure how George Rogers Clark fits into this category....maybe he opened up some Lines West territory before heading West) Anyway, Elbert H. Gary had a great deal to do with establishing the steel mills in what is now Gary, Indiana and the surrounding area. Rich Copeland ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Harry W. Fitch IV" Subject: Re: web demo? Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:20:49 -0400 Content-Length: 1436 Using a PC projector would make it viewable for a larger audience. I use them from time to time for work. (rent is steep when I get them though) Harry W. Fitch hfitch@maranatha.net Acts 4:12 ---------- > From: Robert A. Boyd > To: PRR-Talk@dsop.com > Subject: web demo? > Date: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 5:35 PM > > And Jerry writes: > > >IMHO, the PRRTHS convention needs an Internet demo...not just of "our" > >web sites, but of the whole concept. > > Actually, that's Not A Bad Idea! All it would take is someone to bring a > not too sophisticated computer and modem. Any thoughts here? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". > Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! > ------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 21:13:30 -0500 From: ajc5150@net66.com Subject: Steam Loco Pilot Markings Content-Length: 828 I just received my Autumn Keystone, and the centerspread reminded me of a question I've been wanting to ask this group. What is the meaning of the letters stenciled on the pilot of a steam loco? There is a set on the engineer's side, and another on the fireman's side. My wild guess is that one of the sets of letters signifies which roundhouse, or engine terminal, the engine is based out of. Anybody know the real answer? Andy C. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Harry W. Fitch IV" Subject: I liked the recipes! Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:19:40 -0400 Content-Length: 1645 Hey, I liked the recipes! This provides great insight on how the PRR planned to serve the paycheck providers, the customers. There once was a very flourishing passenger trade on the PRR. All was not doom and gloom as in later years. Harry W. Fitch hfitch@maranatha.net Acts 4:12 ---------- > From: Mark D Bej > To: prr-talk@dsop.com > Subject: Re: Master Index (fwd) > Date: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 6:50 PM > > > I think this is the ticket. > > > > Have the main page link to the six or so largest PRR sites of MEMBERS OF > > THE SOCIETY and mention PRR-Talk. > > > > Have a sub-page that is a master index of the sub-pages of those and > > other sites. > > > Good. Let's propose this. And maybe a pittance of material on the PRRTHS > site, like those silly :-) recipes. > > > -- > Mark > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". > Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! > ------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 21:25:33 -0500 From: ajc5150@net66.com Subject: Re: does Life-Like hate us? Content-Length: 845 Derrick J Brashear wrote: > > I noticed PRR will not be among the first release of roadnames for the new HO > Life-Like Proto 2000 PA/PB-1's. Sigh. I guess they figure we'll be using all > our money to get the E7's and GP9's. Oh well. Wait wait wait.... > > -D > While we're waiting for the PA/PB-1's, I wish they'd re-release the 5 stripe E8's. While they're at it I wish they'd offer the E7's and E8's in DGLE, 5 stripe of course. Andy C. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:08:55 -0400 (EDT) From: PRRSD45@aol.com Subject: On the PRRT&HS web site Content-Length: 980 Hullo all, I have been watching all this talk about the wb page. Just something I had found out. Around the end of August I sent an email to the page conductor as I believe it is put. He replied to me the next day on my email and had said an update was in the works for the page. At that time it was due to be updated around 15 September (or was it October). It was a work in progress was what he said. FYI! I really like this email group and have gotten alot of great info. Thanks to one and all!!! Jeremy Helms Pennsylvania Railroad into the Future (Standing in the Gap) ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 00:13:45 -0400 From: Jerry Shickler Subject: Re: PRRT&HS Web Page Content-Length: 710 Larry P. Morgan wrote: > > I had not known of the PRRT&HS until I saw the WEB. > Same here. The worst part is, they were off to such a great start. Pictures, technical info, first-hand accounts, tomato cars :-) I even think the recipes were a good idea. -- Jerry Shickler Erie, PA e-mail: geshick@velocity.net ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 00:35:29 -0400 From: Jerry Shickler Subject: NS & the keystone Content-Length: 788 There has been much speculating/hoping that Norfolk Southern would acknowledge the Pennsy when repainting the Conrail locomotives. I was told Wed. that the repainting has begun, and the NS locomotives will indeed have a keystone (CSX will have some sort of NYC logo). Can anyone verify this? I checked the NS web site and didn't find anything. -- Jerry Shickler Erie, PA e-mail: geshick@velocity.net ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 01:22:17 -0400 From: Chris Brandt Subject: Re: Master Index (fwd) Content-Length: 923 Mark D Bej wrote: > Good. Let's propose this. And maybe a pittance of material on the PRRTHS > site, like those silly :-) recipes. > Now now, As a chef I must protest. I've been feeding my clams cornmeal for years... 8=(;> 4 out of 5 chefs agree... a Pennsy clam is a happy clam! -Chris -- _______ __\ /__ ----------\ P /---------- -----------\ R R /----------- ------------\ /------------ \___/ Chris Brandt cobrandt@eclipse.net http://www.eclipse.net/~cobrandt/ ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:14:41 -1000 From: "Eric J. Minton" Subject: Trip Tips Content-Length: 659 Aloha, It finally set. I am Flying to LA Oct. 20, and taking the train to British Vancouver. I will Layover in Seattle from approximately 8:00 pm until 8:00 am. Any Suggestion on what to look for or views. Thanks, Eric ps: I know it's not the PRR but it is a train. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 09:31:42 -0400 From: Stephen Bartlett Subject: Re: Master Index (fwd) Content-Length: 974 Chris Brandt wrote: > As a chef I must protest. I've been feeding my clams cornmeal for > years... 8=(;> > > 4 out of 5 chefs agree... a Pennsy clam is a happy clam! > Off subject except as a response, but perhaps a non-political respite: Cape Codders around here do it, too -- but I think for a clam to ingest any cornmeal in order to replace any resident sand (the reason for doing it), you would have to BURY the clams in corn meal, using salt (sea) water. Fresh water kills them quickly. BTW, steamers go in neck up, quahogs/littlenecks live hinge up. Steve Bartlett ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: 02 Oct 1997 08:36:14 -0500 From: Bill.Laird@coastalcorp.com Subject: Re: does Life-Like hate us? -Reply Content-Length: 581 Amen Andy! >>> ajc5150@net66.com (Andy C.) 10/02/97 06:26am wrote >>> ........... While they're at it I wish they'd offer the E7's and E8's in DGLE, 5 stripe of course. Andy C. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:43:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Derrick J Brashear Subject: Re: Master Index (fwd) Content-Length: 1366 On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Mark D Bej wrote: > I said: > > > >You and I and whoever else would mirror the One And Only Index on our > > >sites, as our only index, or in parallel with our own custom indices. > > >Thus, from one location, PRR info-seekers would find all relevant PRR > > >items. > > > Okay, returning to the mirrors of a master index concept. Problem here is > > that I do not want a "generic" index showing in place of my current > > default page (which, IMHO, is an attention grabber for new visitors). > > But you note I didn't say that the generic index would have to be your own > index. Only that the generic index would be mirrored on our sites. I thought I suggested that 6 months ago and everyone hated the idea. Translates to, I'm in. Bell Atlantic is outside my house right now installing the high speed network (and making all sorts of racket in the process) so I should have more machine resources available networked RSN... -D ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:17:04 -0600 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Pennsy Steam Modelers Content-Length: 2281 Howdy Pennsy Modelers, OH HAPPY DAY!!!!!! Remember a discussion a few weeks ago about sound? Well...I called ThrottleUp! the company that sells DCC sound decoders (called Digital Sound Decoders or DSDs) yesterday to enquire about a rumor I had heard vis a vis K4 sounds, and the answer? The DSD with PRR K4 sound will be available in 2 WEEKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some other background on these decoders: 1) They are available in 1 amp (HO) and 0.5 amp (N) sizes. 2) The are fully function 128 step decoders 3) They provide SIMULTANEOUS sound effects (eg the bell and whistle can both sound at the same time) 4) They provide chuff (now mechanically synchronized), airpumps, coupler sounds bell, whistle, dynamo, blowdown, "fireman fred" shoveling coal, speed sensative braking sounds, etc etc... 5) They provide a variety of lighting effects including forward, reverse, firebox flicker (synchronized with Fred!), and mars light 6) They BARELY fit in the tender of my brass K4. 7) They ain't cheap ($178.00 each the last time I looked) Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Pathobiology, Scientist, and Director, Nucleic Acid Services Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ ******************************************************************************** "I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!" "Evolution is a fact, get used to it" _ _ / \ / \ ____\_/_____________\_/____ ____________________________________ |- _______/ O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / PENNSYLVANIA \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: I liked the recipes! (fwd) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 10:23:10 EDT Content-Length: 802 Harry and other responders, > Hey, > I liked the recipes! Nothing like a totally inappropriate comment to get peoples' dander up and start a round of posts! But seriously, to my own credit, I _did_ put a :-) after the word "silly" in the original post: > > Good. Let's propose this. And maybe a pittance of material on the > PRRTHS site, like those silly :-) recipes. Levity, levity. -- Mark ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: 02 Oct 1997 09:49:37 -0500 From: Bill.Laird@coastalcorp.com Subject: ThrottleUP! (was Pennsy Steam Modelers) Content-Length: 4230 >>> smithbf@mail.auburn.edu (Bruce Smith) 10/02/97 08:42am wrote>>> >The DSD with PRR K4 sound will be available in 2 WEEKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >Some other background on these decoders: >1) They are available in 1 amp (HO) and 0.5 amp (N) sizes. >2) The are fully function 128 step decoders >3) They provide SIMULTANEOUS sound effects (eg the bell and whistle can both sound at the same time) >4) They provide chuff (now mechanically synchronized), airpumps, coupler sounds bell, whistle, dynamo, blowdown, "fireman fred" shoveling coal, speed sensative braking sounds, etc etc... >5) They provide a variety of lighting effects including forward, reverse, firebox flicker (synchronized with Fred!), and mars light >6) They BARELY fit in the tender of my brass K4. >7) They ain't cheap ($178.00 each the last time I looked) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ThrottleUP! decoders are GREAT, but .............. I have installed a couple for other folks and have seen several more in action. The effects are fantastic. Just a couple of things that you should be aware of: 1 - some folks have burned out the 1 amp decoders even with modern can motors (the 1 amp rating is liberal and does not tolerate much over that). ThrottleUp! has responded by announcing a 1.5 amp decoder which is only slightly physically larger than the 1 amp. 2 - sound levels on some sounds are rather low and not in proportion to reality ("fireman Fred" shoveling coal is louder than whistle). Some of this may be due to type of speaker and speaker enclosure causing some frequencies to reproduce better than others. As Bruce says, these things are BIG! In addition to the large decoder you also have to find room to mount a speaker, the larger the better. One of the best installations I saw was to put the decoder and speaker in a 50' box car. The box car is then coupled just behind the locomotive and the ThrottleUp! decoder in the box car is MU'ed to another decoder in the locomotive which controls the loco speed/direction. Sounds come from the box car. Advantages are lots of room for decoder, speaker, and a good acoustic enclosure in the box car resulting in better sound. Also, box car can run behind different locomotives (of the same type) reducing number of expensive sound decoders. Disadvantages are you always have to run the box car immediately behind the locomotive in any train in which you want sound and you have to have another decoder in the locomotive, although with available discounts this amounts to only about $25. 3 - there are programming problems. ThrottleUp! (and other decoders with sophisticated additional functionality) require more voltage "on the track" to program than some DCC command station/boosters produce. 4 - the $ 178.00 is MSRP, you can do better. One source is TrainSource Texas in Houston. Their price is $ 160.20 (10% discount). If you do more than $ 500 a year business with them they cut another 10% off everything over $ 500 so price could drop to $ 144.18. Phone number is (713) 662-0809 (they have an 800 number but I don't remember it). Shipping is $ 5 and if out of state no sales tax. In conclusion, I think sound decoders are the wave of the future and that ThrottleUp! will be in the forefront. What they have on the market today outshines anything else available, but other manufacturers are agressively working on bringing sound decoders to market. Mass production and competition will reduce the physical package and lower the price over time. For the time being I will wait until some of the kinks are worked out, but then I don't buy the initial model of any hardware item nor version 1.0 of any software product either. Bill Laird Houston, Texas ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark D Bej Subject: NS & the keystone (fwd) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 11:11:12 EDT Content-Length: 1022 > There has been much speculating/hoping that Norfolk Southern would > acknowledge the Pennsy when repainting the Conrail locomotives. I was > told Wed. that the repainting has begun, and the NS locomotives will > indeed have a keystone (CSX will have some sort of NYC logo). Can anyone > verify this? I checked the NS web site and didn't find anything. Don't bet on it. NS would use the paint called "Pre-Rusted Steel Coating" if they could do it and it would be practical. (Actually, Conrail already does: they use it on what I have named "pre-rusted sheds", their signal equipment sheds.) -- Mark D. Bej bejm@eeg.ccf.org ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:40:17 -0400 (EDT) From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Subject: Re: does Life-Like hate us? Content-Length: 515 BUt Stewart does like us. The first C628 will be PRR. May be if we push Steve enough the first VO1000 will be PRR also. Rich Orr ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 16:53:53 -0400 From: Stephen Bartlett Subject: Re: Steam Loco Pilot Markings Content-Length: 1705 ajc5150@net66.com wrote: > > I just received my Autumn Keystone, and the centerspread reminded me of > a question I've been wanting to ask this group. > > What is the meaning of the letters stenciled on the pilot of a steam > loco? There is a set on the engineer's side, and another on the > fireman's side. > > My wild guess is that one of the sets of letters signifies which > roundhouse, or engine terminal, the engine is based out of. > > Anybody know the real answer? > "The Keystone" for March, 1972, and June, 1973, gives the following information, compiled by Messrs. Prophet, Adams, and Flattley: The practice began in 1920, with region and Grand Division assignments on the Engineman's side of the pilot beam front, and was later expanded to show enginehouse assignment on the fireman's side end of the pilot beam. It became more elaborate as time went on and was modified over time as well. The articles purport to give a complete listing of all markings and are too large to list here. Withe reference to the recent centerspread, "WS" on the right end of the pilot indicated Southwestern Region, part of the Western Region. "COL" on the left indicated assignment to the Spruce St., Columbus, Ohio, enginehouse, passenger locomotives, after the mid - 1930's. Steve Bartlett ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:54:22 -0400 (EDT) From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Subject: Re: I liked the recipes! (fwd) Content-Length: 798 At the risk of starting a lenghty dialogue. Have you tried any of those recipes? Some of therm are pretty good. You just need to set the stage. Start a coal fire in your grill. Build-up plenty of smoke. Then serve yourself RR food. It works better after dark. Your neighbors don't report you for violating smoke ordinances. However, there is always the psooibility that the EPA will get you. Rich Orr ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:03:09 -0400 (EDT) From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Subject: Re: NS & the keystone (fwd) Content-Length: 634 One of many rumors has the NS placing the throughbred in a keystone similar to the interlaced PRR. If the Keystone is simply a white outline this could be done keeping with NS spartan painting philosophy. Again this is a backroom rumor. Rich Orr ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:06:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Derrick J Brashear Subject: Re: does Life-Like hate us? Content-Length: 639 On Thu, 2 Oct 1997 SUVCWORR@aol.com wrote: > BUt Stewart does like us. The first C628 will be PRR. > > May be if we push Steve enough the first VO1000 will be PRR also. They're apparently doing more than one phase of the VO1000, as well... -D ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 17:22:44 -0400 From: Stephen Bartlett Subject: Re: NS & the keystone (fwd) Content-Length: 763 Mark D Bej wrote: > > NS would use the paint called "Pre-Rusted Steel Coating" if they could do > it and it would be practical. (Actually, Conrail already does: they use > it on what I have named "pre-rusted sheds", their signal equipment sheds.) > That would be Floquil No. PRSC25, available in spray cans and bottles, as well as bulk 5-gallon pails. Steve Bartlett ------------------------------------------------------------- Your ad here supports higher bandwidth for "Keystone Crossings". Contact "sales@dsop.com" for details! ------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:38:39 -0400 (EDT) From: PRRMAN@aol.com Subject: MARC historical efforts Content-Length: 972 Enroute from Baltimore airport back to Philly last Monday, I encountered MARC coach 140, which is an ex-PRR 21-roomette sleeper. I can remember when these cars were still sleepers, and when the PRR convert