Message-Id: <7FCB4E9F-CB4A-11D8-A9CA-000A95C04372@pennsyrr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: PRR-talk From: Jerry @ Pennsy Subject: [PRR] FOR SALE - 1954 CD On Sale At 20% Off Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:36:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: 1st of the month FOR SALE post... The Merchandise Service "Pennsylvania Railroad in 1954" CD is on sale, through July 10th, at 20% off. This brings the $80 price down to $64. The disk contains 60 PDF files -- thousands of pages -- of official PRR documentation from 1954, including public timetables, employee timetables for all 19 divisions, book of rules, passenger equipment roster, Official Railway Equipment Register, all 11 issues of "The Pennsy", arranged freight schedules, the booklet announcing TrucTrain service, the annual report, and more. Proceeds will fund upgrade of the listserv for the DSOP.COM lists (PRR-talk, Conrail-talk, Reading-talk, etc.). The upgrade, among other features, is supposed to strip distracting HTML/MIME content from digests. This upgrade is slated for late July. See http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com/ms_sale.html ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Brian Butcher" Subject: [PRR] Re: F22 w/ Naval Gun Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:39:54 -0400 <<<< I have posted the two photographs of the F22 flats with a large naval=20 gun load to my web site. The images are at: http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/F22withGun1.jpg http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/F22withGun2.jpg >>>>> I would be interested to hear what the ORER has to say about the F22 = 975532 and 435308. I would surmise these two are semi-permanently = coupled...1) I can not see a cut-lever of any kind on the joining end of = these two cars and 2)...the safety chains present (not a standard = feature of the F22), and 3)...the seemingly identical repaint / shop = date and place of the two cars. Also....While the "B" end of 435308 (on the near RH side of the car) is = a conventional vertical staff...the "B" end 975532 (on the far LH side = of the car) seems to have been modified with a low-profile horizontal = type. Interestingly...look carefully at (all) the wheel flanges where they = meet the track. Obviously, the journal boxes were lubricated on the = spot... Regards; Brian ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C45F36.37C470B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
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I have posted the two photographs of the F22 = flats with=20 a large naval
gun load to my web site.  The images are = at:

http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/F22withGun1.jpg=
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/F22withGun2.jpg=

>>>>>
 
I would be interested to hear what the ORER has to say about the = F22 975532=20 and 435308. I would surmise these two are semi-permanently = coupled...1) I=20 can not see a cut-lever of any kind on the joining end of these two cars = and=20 2)...the safety chains present (not a standard feature of the F22), and=20 3)...the seemingly identical repaint / shop date and = place of the=20 two cars.
 
Also....While the "B" end of 435308 (on the near RH side of the = car) is a=20 conventional vertical staff...the "B" end 975532 (on the far LH side of = the car)=20 seems to have been modified with a low-profile horizontal = type.
 
Interestingly...look carefully at (all) the wheel flanges where = they meet=20 the track. Obviously, the journal boxes were lubricated on the = spot...
 
Regards;
Brian
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<<<<
I have posted the two photographs of the F22 = flats with=20 a large naval
gun load to my web site.  The images are = at:

http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/F22withGun1.jpg=
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/F22withGun2.jpg=

>>>>>
 
I would be interested to hear what the ORER has to say about the = F22 975532=20 and 435308. I would surmise these two are semi-permanently = coupled...1) I=20 can not see a cut-lever of any kind on the joining end of these two cars = and=20 2)...the safety chains present (not a standard feature of the F22), and=20 3)...the seemingly identical repaint / shop date and = place of the=20 two cars.
 
Also....While the "B" end of 435308 (on the near RH side of the = car) is a=20 conventional vertical staff...the "B" end 975532 (on the far LH side of = the car)=20 seems to have been modified with a low-profile horizontal = type.
 
Interestingly...look carefully at (all) the wheel flanges where = they meet=20 the track. Obviously, the journal boxes were lubricated on the = spot...
 
Regards;
Brian
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 07:24:40 -0400 From: Joe Witcofsky Subject: RE: [PRR] Pass-through USRA engines and PRR's "internal From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com] On Behalf Of STEPHEN Subject: Re: [PRR] Pass-through USRA engines and PRR's "internal From: Joe Witcofsky Subject: RE: [PRR] Pass-through USRA engines and PRR's "internal From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com Subject: Re: [PRR] Pass-through face=Arial>From:Subject: Subject: [PRR] Ground pipe and Photo of F22s with 16"/50 Iowa class gun Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:01:55 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <92DCA211-CADB-11D8-9823-000A958DAD46@mail.auburn.edu> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: While the F22 application is in itself interesting, I was curious about the pipe on the ground in the first picture. I think it is carrying signal lines. Anyone know? And what is that interesting 2-bar fixture in the middle, anchored to a concrete pad? Regards, Andy Miller -----Original Message----- From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 5:22 PM To: PRR-Talk TALK' Cc: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [PRR] Photo of F22s with 16"/50 Iowa class gun Folks, I have posted the two photographs of the F22 flats with a large naval gun load to my web site. The images are at: http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/F22withGun1.jpg http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/F22withGun2.jpg The location is Orangeville Yard, Baltimore, the train is northbound, and these are almost certainly 16"/50 guns from the Washington Navy Yard (Gun Factory) destined for an Iowa class battleship under construction at Philadelphia Navy Yard or New York Navy Yard. Oh yeah, note the use of safety chains between cars! Happy Viewing! Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Cc: "'PRR-Talk TALK''" From: Bruce Smith Subject: [PRR] Re: [STMFC] Ground pipe and Photo of F22s Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:42:31 -0500 To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: On Jul 1, 2004, at 8:01 AM, Andy Miller wrote: > While the F22 application is in itself interesting, I was curious > about the > pipe on the ground in the first picture. I think it is carrying signal > lines. Anyone know? And what is that interesting 2-bar fixture in the > middle, anchored to a concrete pad? > > Regards, > Andy Miller The interlocking appears to be of the electro-pneumatic type. The pipe supplies the air pressure to actuate the switch machines. As for the fixture - it looks as though it is designed to control creep or perhaps shocks from sudden pressure changes? Really, I was wondering too! Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:01:26 EDT Subject: [PRR] F22 w/Naval Gun What I found interesting is the chains and hooks between the cars insuring safe transport of the barrels. Have seen this on passenger equipment but don't recall ever seeing it on revenue freight equipment. Was/is this a common or required practice on long loads transversing several cars? Evan Leisey RCT&HS 346 PRRT&HS 7487 PRRT&HS (Phila.) 2036 CNJ 2003 -------------------------------1088690486 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
  What I found interesting is the chains and hooks between the car= s insuring safe transport of the barrels.  Have seen this on passenger=20= equipment but don't recall ever seeing it on revenue freight equipment. = ; Was/is this a common or required practice on long loads transversing sever= al cars?
 

Evan Leisey
RCT&= ;HS 346
PRRT&HS 7487
PRRT&HS (Phila.) 2036
CNJ 2003<= /DIV> -------------------------------1088690486-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:01:26 EDT Subject: [PRR] F22 w/Naval Gun What I found interesting is the chains and hooks between the cars insuring safe transport of the barrels. Have seen this on passenger equipment but don't recall ever seeing it on revenue freight equipment. Was/is this a common or required practice on long loads transversing several cars? Evan Leisey RCT&HS 346 PRRT&HS 7487 PRRT&HS (Phila.) 2036 CNJ 2003 -------------------------------1088690486 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
  What I found interesting is the chains and hooks between the car= s insuring safe transport of the barrels.  Have seen this on passenger=20= equipment but don't recall ever seeing it on revenue freight equipment. = ; Was/is this a common or required practice on long loads transversing sever= al cars?
 

Evan Leisey
RCT&= ;HS 346
PRRT&HS 7487
PRRT&HS (Phila.) 2036
CNJ 2003<= /DIV> -------------------------------1088690486-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:19:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Andrews Subject: [PRR] Enola Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:49:15 -0700 (PDT) From: robert netzlof Subject: [PRR] It's Harry Weiskittel, not Perry, OR Google is our friend Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:18:21 -0400 Subject: [PRR] Railroad marvel celebrates 150th anniversary From: Jerry Britton Message-Id: <08CB84C2-CB8B-11D8-861E-000393835C88@pennsyrr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: On the CNN web site, right now! http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/DESTINATIONS/07/01/horseshoe.curve.ap/ index.html I'm hoping CNN covers the July 4th event with video... I'll be in South Carolina! ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: LAMAassoc@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:38:51 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Railroad marvel celebrates 150th anniversary X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: In a message dated 7/1/04 1:30:06 PM, jerry@pennsyrr.com writes: << On the CNN web site, right now! http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/DESTINATIONS/07/01/horseshoe.curve.ap/ index.html I'm hoping CNN covers the July 4th event with video... I'll be in South Carolina! >> **************** There was also a piece somewhere the other day that VP Cheney intends to be at the 7/4 Altoona Curves baseball game and may be at the curve, itself, for the picture taking. As I read the item, I thought of some messages here about the limitations on viewing locations. If the VP shows up, there will be even more limitations and traffic jams, etc. Regards, Marty Happy Birthday America!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:45:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Railroad marvel celebrates 150th anniversary From: Jerry Britton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: On Thursday, July 1, 2004, at 03:38 PM, LAMAassoc@aol.com wrote: > As I read the item, I thought of some messages here about the > limitations on > viewing locations. If the VP shows up, there will be even more > limitations and > traffic jams, etc. Have no fear... Vice President Cheney will be at a secret, undisclosed location! (Isn't he always?) ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Volkmer" Subject: RE: [PRR] Railroad marvel celebrates 150th anniversary Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:05:21 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <3501579F8815D511AEC6009027CCB5D35BEA25@HERZOGMGMT> Importance: Normal Return-Path: bvolkmer@herzogcompanies.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2004 19:54:56.0369 (UTC) FILETIME=[487E3610:01C45FA5] Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: It is my understanding that when the event occurs the NS does not want ANYTHING in sight that isn't lettered NS. PRR is PERSONNA NON-GRATA for the event. How about THAT? -----Original Message----- From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Britton Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:18 PM To: PRR-Talk LIST; Conrail-Talk LIST Subject: [PRR] Railroad marvel celebrates 150th anniversary On the CNN web site, right now! http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/DESTINATIONS/07/01/horseshoe.curve.ap/ index.html I'm hoping CNN covers the July 4th event with video... I'll be in South Carolina! ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:23:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Will Enser Subject: RE: [PRR] Railroad marvel celebrates 150th anniversary > From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com] On Behalf Of Jerry > Subject: [PRR] Railroad marvel celebrates 150th anniversary From: zootowerprr@webtv.net Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:39:11 -0400 Subject: RE: [PRR] Railroad marvel celebrates 150th anniversary MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: I found out last weekend that the PRR E8s will not be part of the celebration. From what I was told, Norfolk Southern had nothing to with the E units not being there. Also, I rode the observation platform of car 120 around Horseshoe Curve and notice that the trees have been removed from the east side of the Curve. Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:55:30 -0500 Subject: [PRR] Re: PRR-Talk Digest - MP54 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,3-4 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: beth capl caples Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know the size of the porthole windows on the end of the cars? Does anyone know the length,width, and height of the headlight mounted on top of the roof? (I checked Rob's website of MP54 drawings and all it lists is the height) Thanks very much, John Caples ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:55:30 -0500 Subject: [PRR] Re: PRR-Talk Digest - MP54 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,3-4 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: beth capl caples Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know the size of the porthole windows on the end of the cars? Does anyone know the length,width, and height of the headlight mounted on top of the roof? (I checked Rob's website of MP54 drawings and all it lists is the height) Thanks very much, John Caples ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bennett Levin" Subject: Re: [PRR] Railroad marvel celebrates 150th anniversary Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:08:39 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: So this thread does not go down the "wrong" track, I can confirm the NS had nothing to do with the E-units not being on the 'curve on Sunday. They are currently in the shop being prepared for the four day excursion later this month to Dennison. As someone once said, "Tis better to light a candle, than curse the darkness". Bennett ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "'Jerry Britton'" Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 7:39 PM Subject: RE: [PRR] Railroad marvel celebrates 150th anniversary > > I found out last weekend that the PRR E8s will not be part of the > celebration. From what I was told, Norfolk Southern had nothing to with > the E units not being there. > Also, I rode the observation platform of car 120 around Horseshoe > Curve and notice that the trees have been removed from the east side of > the Curve. > > Dave > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Jerry @ Pennsy Subject: Re: [PRR] Railroad marvel celebrates 150th anniversary Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:13:22 -0400 To: PRR-talk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Someone posted that NS is going to make sure everything is NS... I did read that NS specially painted a car with the logos of all of the railroads that have "owned" the Horseshoe Curve. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:20:57 -0400 From: Rob McKeever Subject: Re: [PRR] Railroad marvel celebrates 150th anniversary X-AOL-IP: 4.10.29.174 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: The RRMM ad in the July Railpace shows half that car, painted white with the NS and predecessor logos on the right half of the car. They are advertising it being offered in O by Weaver as a commemorative. Will be in Altoona this weekend visiting the in-laws, but am unsure whether I will get to the curve or not. If the festivities are on Sunday itself, that's a better chance, since Daytona is being run Saturday night, but this is our first family trip back since our daughter was born in May. We did take her on her first train ride at nine days old at the Manassas railfest last month... Rob McKeever Manassas VA robmckii@aol.com (long, long time subscriber that rarely posts) jerry@pennsyrr.com wrote: > Someone posted that NS is going to make sure everything is NS... > > I did read that NS specially painted a car with the logos of all of > the railroads that have "owned" the Horseshoe Curve. > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com > Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. > "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! > http://kc.pennsyrr.com > "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... > http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "michael hmel" Subject: [PRR] NS Painting engine PRR Tuscan .... Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:39:05 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:940890947 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: jTmkjNShdRGYa700blOSW/reLluNZfiSYEw+5mLpWLjczF3N4+Z8vhskFkSjgiNv Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Hey Will , The take overs been quite a long time ago and they still haven't painted much black ......let alone Tuscan . I see more non-NS power than I see of their own . Sure wouldn't want to see a Keystone anywhere near that dumb donkey , it would make me sick . By the way NS , if things were the way I wanted them to be ........the only NS thing on the curve would be a boxcar in a train pulled by a few DGLE loco's ! Member : TCA , PRRT&HS Lists : PRR Talk , PC Modeling , Conrail Talk Lionel Collectors , Toytraintrading E-Mail : michaelhmel@netzero.net E-bay : iron*mah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Enser" To: "'PRR-Talk LIST'" Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:23 PM Subject: RE: [PRR] Railroad marvel celebrates 150th anniversary > > "IF" I was the head of NS, I would be doing a PRR paint scheme on > one of the newest locos in the fleet. Nice marooon with PENNSYLVANIA down > the side of it and a keystone/donkey combo logo on the nose. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Andrisd@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:02:08 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Railroad marvel celebrates 150th anniversary If anyone wants to ask NS CEO here's your chance, From the EL email mail list----- Slightly off topic, though just a note of interest - Thursday you could see a matching passenger train sitting at the Binghamton DL&W station. Return of the EL? Nope. How about Norfolk Southern's executive train? It may not be the Lake Cities, but it is there and definetly caught my attention. Word has it that their CEO is in town. Also anyone close to Waverly should stop and see the NS exhibit car. It's there until Monday as part of the Village of Waverly's 150th Birthday. Check it out! Andy Cole -------------------------------1088758928 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
If anyone wants to ask NS CEO here's your chance,=20= >From the EL email mail list-----
 
Slightly off topic, though just a note of interest= - Thursday you could see a matching passenger train sitting at the Binghamt= on DL&W station. Return of the EL?  Nope. How about Norfolk Souther= n's executive train? It may not be the Lake Cities, but it is there and defi= netly caught my attention.  Word has it
that their CEO is in town.<= BR>
Also anyone close to Waverly should stop and see the NS exhibit car.=20= It's there until Monday as part of the Village of Waverly's 150th Birthday.=20= Check it out!
 
Andy Cole

 -------------------------------1088758928-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 08:30:45 -0400 From: "James L. McDaniel" Subject: Re: [PRR] Railroad marvel celebrates 150th anniversary Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: As of this morning there is nothing specific on the NS website ... but NS is a good corporate citizen and I think will do the celebration right. On the "History" page of the NS website, there is almost as much about the PRR as N&W and SRR --and remember NS didn't acquire the PRR, just Conrail! There is also a most elegant photo of PRR 1361 for your enjoyment and a link to the PRRT&HS. Jim McDaniel, Delmarva reporter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:36:54 -0400 Subject: [PRR] July InterMountain Releases From: Jerry Britton Message-Id: <68CC09B4-CC4E-11D8-A69D-000393835C88@pennsyrr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Public Service Announcement: The July releases have been posted to the InterMountain web site. All are for delivery later this month. Included: HO scale B60b Express Messenger cars in the PENNSYLVANIA scheme. Four road numbers. This is a built-up Bethlehem Car Works project. N scale P85b coaches in the PENNSYLVANIA scheme. Six NEW road numbers. This is a built-up Centralia Car Shops project. See http://www.intermountain-railway.com/new.html ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:36:54 -0400 Subject: [PRR] July InterMountain Releases From: Jerry Britton Message-Id: <68CC09B4-CC4E-11D8-A69D-000393835C88@pennsyrr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Public Service Announcement: The July releases have been posted to the InterMountain web site. All are for delivery later this month. Included: HO scale B60b Express Messenger cars in the PENNSYLVANIA scheme. Four road numbers. This is a built-up Bethlehem Car Works project. N scale P85b coaches in the PENNSYLVANIA scheme. Six NEW road numbers. This is a built-up Centralia Car Shops project. See http://www.intermountain-railway.com/new.html ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:43:14 -0400 Subject: [PRR] The Latest From Broadway Limited From: Jerry Britton Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: No, it's not Pennsy... So why am I posting it here? Cause it may indicate what will be coming in Pennsy down the road! BLI's latest announcement is Southern Pacific "Cab Forwards". The noteworthy feature is that these locomotives will feature "fan driven smoke units". Hmmmm. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Chany, Christopher" Subject: [PRR] BLI rumor Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:49:34 -0400 BLI rumor

Listers,

I was at a hobby shop at lunch and the guy said that = BLI is going to announce that they will be producing locos with = synchronized black smoke.  I guess if they produce  K's, I's = or H's they'll have smoke.

Chris Chany

------_=_NextPart_001_01C46065.517C4AC0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bob Zoeller" Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:36:12 -0500 BLI rumorNot a rumor. I believe they will start with smoke on a = forthcoming SP cab-forward. Didn't hear it was black, though. Isn't = it hard enough to get right-of-way at home without offending the smoke = abatement authorities ? :-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chany, Christopher=20 To: PRR-talk=20 Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:49 PM Subject: [PRR] BLI rumor Listers,=20 I was at a hobby shop at lunch and the guy said that BLI is going to = announce that they will be producing locos with synchronized black = smoke. I guess if they produce K's, I's or H's they'll have smoke. Chris Chany=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0415_01C4605B.1148A340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" BLI rumor
Not a rumor.  I believe they will = start with=20 smoke on a forthcoming SP  cab-forward.  Didn't hear it was = black,=20 though.  Isn't it hard enough to get right-of-way at home without = offending=20 the smoke abatement authorities ? :-)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chany,=20 Christopher
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 = 1:49 PM
Subject: [PRR] BLI rumor

Listers,

I was at a hobby shop at lunch and the guy said that = BLI is=20 going to announce that they will be producing locos with synchronized = black=20 smoke.  I guess if they produce  K's, I's or H's they'll = have=20 smoke.

Chris Chany

------=_NextPart_000_0415_01C4605B.1148A340-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 18:48:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Yep, looks like the toy train market is hitting the HO SCALE market. I thought sure MTH would be the first to ruin, I mean introduce the smoke feature first.......Gary Come visit my PRR Pages: Photos, Models, Historical Items and Art Work! PRR K4s Loco Pics: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/ PRR G5s, T1, J1 J1a, M1, M1a, N1s, etc. etc.: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html and...... PRR Pics, P&LE Pics, PRR Memorabilia and Misc. Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "PennsyNut" Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor, smoke Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:59:34 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2004 23:09:57.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[B15DB130:01C46089] Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Hello Every Loyal PRR fan I don't know about "Y'all". But I am very glad to see smoke added. Just wish it had been added before to the M1, T1, etc. Having said that, I'm waiting for the H8/9/10's and E6. Or better yet, the H6 and E5. Those with sound and smoke. WOW! Morgan Bilbo Ferroequinologist, Proud SPF PRRTHS #1204 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.708 / Virus Database: 464 - Release Date: 06/18/2004 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:36:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Charyna Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor > From: Chany, Christopher > Subject: [PRR] BLI rumor From: "Gregg Mahlkov" Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:25:25 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: List, Has it not occured to anyone that black smoke is that because it contains SOOT - that is unburned carbon particles. Does no one recall when laundry left outside to dry near the railroad tracks turned gray? I cannot see how a married man could possibly operate such a model in the same basement with his wife's laundry room! ;<) Gregg Mahlkov ----- ----- Alex Charyna wrote: Black smoke would be great... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: John Frantz Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 22:16:39 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Gents, I think smoke with a continuous stream would look best=20 coming from an ALCO diesel though. Nothin' but noise and=20 smoke. -John ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:17:49 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor Let's hope BLI does not perfect the smoke unit to the point of prototypical volumes. ;^} Evan Leisey RCT&HS 346 PRRT&HS 7487 PRRT&HS (Phila.) 2036 CNJ 2003 -------------------------------1088821069 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Let's hope BLI does not perfect the smoke unit to the point o= f prototypical volumes.  ;^}

Evan Leisey
RCT&= ;HS 346
PRRT&HS 7487
PRRT&HS (Phila.) 2036
CNJ 2003<= /DIV> -------------------------------1088821069-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bob Zoeller" Subject: [PRR] Pennsylvania Special Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:30:46 -0500 When did this train, started in 1902, change its name to Broadway = Limited? Bob Zoeller ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C4607B.D6834EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
When did this train, started in 1902, = change its=20 name to Broadway Limited?
 
Bob Zoeller
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When did this train, started in 1902, = change its=20 name to Broadway Limited?
 
Bob Zoeller
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C4607B.D6834EB0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:39:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor From: smithbf@vetmed.auburn.edu X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: > List, > > Has it not occured to anyone that black smoke is that because it contains > SOOT - that is unburned carbon particles. Does no one recall when laundry > left outside to dry near the railroad tracks turned gray? > > I cannot see how a married man could possibly operate such a model in the > same basement with his wife's laundry room! ;<) Nor do I want to think of that crap all over my track... Nor have I ever seen a smoke unit that even faintly resembled the STEAM output of a steam locomotive. Toy train nonsense - what's next, mooing stock cars? ;^) Happy Rails Bruce Bruce Smith Auburn, AL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 22:57:45 -0400 From: Jeff Warner Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Bruce hit my big concern here... >Nor do I want to think of that crap all over my track... > > What's smoke residue going to do to power pickup, especially on DCC???? We don't have the same contact areas that O scale does... Jeff Warner ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 23:08:18 EDT Subject: [PRR] Lancaster, Pa. I am looking for interchange information for 1950 between the Pennsy and the Reading Co. at Lancaster, Pa. Do not believe there was that much as these two roads had major interchange points in Philadelphia and Harrisburg. Thank you, Evan Leisey RCT&HS 346 PRRT&HS 7487 PRRT&HS (Phila.) 2036 CNJ 2003 -------------------------------1088824098 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
I am looking for interchange information for 1950 between the Pennsy an= d the Reading Co. at Lancaster, Pa.   Do not believe there was tha= t much as these two roads had major interchange points in Philadelphia and H= arrisburg.
 
Thank you,

Evan Leisey
RCT&= ;HS 346
PRRT&HS 7487
PRRT&HS (Phila.) 2036
CNJ 2003<= /DIV> -------------------------------1088824098-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 23:08:18 EDT Subject: [PRR] Lancaster, Pa. I am looking for interchange information for 1950 between the Pennsy and the Reading Co. at Lancaster, Pa. Do not believe there was that much as these two roads had major interchange points in Philadelphia and Harrisburg. Thank you, Evan Leisey RCT&HS 346 PRRT&HS 7487 PRRT&HS (Phila.) 2036 CNJ 2003 -------------------------------1088824098 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
I am looking for interchange information for 1950 between the Pennsy an= d the Reading Co. at Lancaster, Pa.   Do not believe there was tha= t much as these two roads had major interchange points in Philadelphia and H= arrisburg.
 
Thank you,

Evan Leisey
RCT&= ;HS 346
PRRT&HS 7487
PRRT&HS (Phila.) 2036
CNJ 2003<= /DIV> -------------------------------1088824098-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "PennsyNut" Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 09:48:10 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2004 14:48:00.0305 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC7D5A10:01C4610C] Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Especially that black smoke y'all are talking about. Morgan Bilbo Ferroequinologist, Proud SPF PRRTHS #1204 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Frantz" To: Sent: Friday, 02 July, 2004 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor Gents, I think smoke with a continuous stream would look best coming from an ALCO diesel though. Nothin' but noise and smoke. -John ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.708 / Virus Database: 464 - Release Date: 06/18/2004 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:50:21 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: ealauterbach@earthlink.net Subject: [PRR] NJ International Many Faces of the K4 X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Just wondering how accurrate the diagram of the K4 is in this book. 3rd Rail relied on this drawing for their K4. There appears to be too much space between the pilot and the pilot truck's first wheel. They claim that there is a gap as shown on this drawing. Thanks, Eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:50:21 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: ealauterbach@earthlink.net Subject: [PRR] NJ International Many Faces of the K4 X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Just wondering how accurrate the diagram of the K4 is in this book. 3rd Rail relied on this drawing for their K4. There appears to be too much space between the pilot and the pilot truck's first wheel. They claim that there is a gap as shown on this drawing. Thanks, Eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gregg Mahlkov" Subject: [PRR] Life-Like C424 PRR #2415 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:21:07 -0400 Lists, Life-Like now has models of two PRR Alco Century series B-B Diesels in = the hobby shops. The model appears to be correct for the 2415, PRR's = only C424, when viewed in the photos in Pennsy Power II. But, the model = has the "batwing" headlight and number boards at the rear, while many = Centuries had the "notched" arrangem,ent at the rear, like the RS11's. = I can't tell which PRR 2415 had from the photos. Does anyone know which arrangement PRR 2415 actually had? I'm thinking = of buying one, even though it's out of my era, if the rear is correct. Gregg Mahlkov ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C46108.FB27AAD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Lists,
 
Life-Like now has models of = two PRR Alco=20 Century series B-B Diesels in the hobby shops. The model appears to be = correct=20 for the 2415, PRR's only C424, when viewed in the photos in Pennsy Power = II.=20 But, the model has the "batwing" headlight and number boards at the = rear, while=20 many Centuries had the "notched" arrangem,ent at the rear, like the=20 RS11's.  I can't tell which PRR 2415 had from the = photos.
 
Does anyone know which = arrangement PRR=20 2415 actually had? I'm thinking of buying one, even though it's = out of=20 my era, if the rear is correct.
 
Gregg=20 Mahlkov 
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C46108.FB27AAD0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: LAMAassoc@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 17:08:50 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: In a message dated 7/2/04 9:43:44 PM, smithbf@vetmed.auburn.edu writes: << > List, > > Has it not occured to anyone that black smoke is that because it contains > SOOT - that is unburned carbon particles. Does no one recall when laundry > left outside to dry near the railroad tracks turned gray? > > I cannot see how a married man could possibly operate such a model in the > same basement with his wife's laundry room! ;<) Nor do I want to think of that crap all over my track... Nor have I ever seen a smoke unit that even faintly resembled the STEAM output of a steam locomotive. Toy train nonsense - what's next, mooing stock cars? ;^) >> ***************** When I worked for the Pennsy in labor relations, I was always amused by the locomotive engineers who had received formal discipline for "making excessive smoke." There was/is a book of work rules that contained a thou shall not with respect to smoke long after it was possible to make a lot of smoke. I have few recollections of steam locomotives but I do remember watching one go through a road crossing in downtown Hicksville, Long Island (1952?) making smoke and spewing what they call today, "particulate matter," almost cinder like chunks the size of a grain of rice. The particulate matter in black smoke for a model would have to fall somewhere. How they going to do this? Regards, Marty ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 17:45:06 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: ealauterbach@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [PRR] NJ International Many Faces of the K4 X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: That may explain the problem. The MTH did get this area of the model right, so I know the 3rd Rail did not do this as a compromise to get to negotiate a tight curve. Plus, 3rd Rail respond to my complaint by stating that their drawings show this gap. This reminds me of something similar. The first Bachmann N&W J was based on the GEM model. The GEM model was wrong in so many respects, it is not worth listing them, so when Bachmann made their J based on the GEM model, they just repeated the errors. Bachmann new J is a vast improvment, but they still got the nose wrong. I wish importers/ manufacturers would try to get blueprints from the railroad's repective historical societies rather than other sources. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Gregg Mahlkov Sent: Jul 3, 2004 2:13 PM To: ealauterbach@earthlink.net, PRR-talk@dsop.com Subject: Re: [PRR] NJ International Many Faces of the K4 Eric and list, The actual prototype dimension you mention would have to be altered on a model to permit it to negotiate the sharper curves found on model railroads. So, the drawing probably reflects the model as built and not the real thing. Gregg Mahlkov ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: [PRR] NJ International Many Faces of the K4 > Just wondering how accurrate the diagram of the K4 is in this book. 3rd Rail relied on this drawing for their K4. There appears to be too much space between the pilot and the pilot truck's first wheel. They claim that there is a gap as shown on this drawing. > Thanks, > Eric > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:18:00 -0400 From: Joe Witcofsky Subject: RE: [PRR] BLI rumor From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com] On Behalf Of Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor From: "Larry Reynolds" Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 10:28:56 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Jeff: We may want to consider insuring everyone brings his own respirator to our sessions. This could get ugly! Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Warner" To: "PRR Talk List" Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor > Bruce hit my big concern here... > > >Nor do I want to think of that crap all over my track... > > > > > What's smoke residue going to do to power pickup, especially on DCC???? > We don't have the same contact areas that O scale does... > > Jeff Warner > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:05:55 -0400 From: bearcreekwest@netscape.net Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Bob Zoeller wrote: Didn't hear it was black, though. Isn't it hard enough to get right-of-way at home without offending the smoke abatement authorities ? :-) ****************** Gary Mittner wrote: Yep, looks like the toy train market is hitting the HO SCALE market. I thought sure MTH would be the first to ruin, I mean introduce the smoke feature first. ***************** Greg Mahlkov wrote: List, Has it not occured to anyone that black smoke is that because it contains SOOT - that is unburned carbon particles. Does no one recall when laundry left outside to dry near the railroad tracks turned gray? ***************** Bruce Smith wrote: Nor do I want to think of that crap all over my track... Nor have I ever seen a smoke unit that even faintly resembled the STEAM output of a steam locomotive. Toy train nonsense - what's next, mooing stock cars? ;^) ***************** Jeff Warner wrote: What's smoke residue going to do to power pickup, especially on DCC???? We don't have the same contact areas that O scale does... **************** I agree with all of the comments listed above. What will be the formulation of the stuff used to make the smoke? Will it leave an oily residue on the locomotive? (If so, might keep the side rods lubricated!!) What will be the effect on the finish of the locomotive? Will the formulation be plastic compatible and not damage the body of the locomotive? Will the locomotive have to go through the wash rack periodically? My first thought was of the old Lionel steamer with smoke I ran endlessly in circles while dropping pills down the stack to get smoke - probably 50 years ago - all the while putting stuff on the track to crash through, etc. In other words, my Toy Train phase of model railroading. Don Arizona __________________________________________________________________ Switch to the New Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:14:15 EDT Subject: [PRR] BLI rumor After considerable thought (you can all LOL), I feel we should forget smoke units. After all, we have to leave something to the imagination and no manufacturer will ever simulate a loco's exhaust as well as our imaginations will. How about wintertime with a passenger loco crossing Rockville Bridge leaving a long lingering, white plume of exhausted steam? Evan Leisey RCT&HS 346 PRRT&HS 7487 PRRT&HS (Phila.) 2036 CNJ 2003 -------------------------------1088997255 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
After considerable thought (you can all LOL), I feel we should forget s= moke units.   After all, we have to leave something to the imagina= tion and no manufacturer will ever simulate a loco's exhaust as we= ll as our imaginations will.  How about wintertime with a passenger loc= o crossing Rockville Bridge leaving a long lingering, white plume=20= of exhausted steam? 
 

Evan Leisey
RCT&= ;HS 346
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CNJ 2003<= /DIV> -------------------------------1088997255-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 23:49:49 -0400 From: Rail Classics Subject: [PRR] Rail Classics Project From: "Ted Andrews" Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 08:53:09 -0500 Listers: I have been sitting on the sidelines reading this thread. I share with = Don's view on if the smoke will create a residue on the engine or the = rest of the layout......including all of those engines and cars that we = have all tried so hard to make look just right. If residue is an issue.....then it is a deal breaker. Another item deals with the scale itself.....I doubt that you will be = able to achieve "scale smoke". From the amount of smoke, the color of = smoke and the aerodynamic characteristics of smoke, I doubt seriously if = BLI will even come close to the prototype.=20 BLI has given us so much that last couple of years. However, all of = their ideas are not always the right ones. I would put the smoke effect = for the stem engines up there with the noisy stack cars that there are = coming out with.....there are just some things that are best left up to = our imagination. Those are my thoughts Ted Andrews ----- Original Message -----=20 From: bearcreekwest@netscape.net=20 To: PRR Talk List=20 Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor Bob Zoeller wrote:=20 Didn't hear it was black, though. Isn't it hard enough to get = right-of-way at home without offending the smoke abatement authorities ? = :-) ****************** Gary Mittner wrote:=20 Yep, looks like the toy train market is hitting the HO SCALE market. I = thought sure MTH would be the first to ruin, I mean introduce the smoke = feature first. ***************** Greg Mahlkov wrote:=20 List, Has it not occured to anyone that black smoke is that because = it contains SOOT - that is unburned carbon particles. Does no one recall = when laundry left outside to dry near the railroad tracks turned gray? ***************** Bruce Smith wrote:=20 Nor do I want to think of that crap all over my track... Nor have I ever seen a smoke unit that even faintly resembled the = STEAM output of a steam locomotive. Toy train nonsense - what's next, = mooing stock cars? ;^) ***************** Jeff Warner wrote:=20 What's smoke residue going to do to power pickup, especially on = DCC???? =20 We don't have the same contact areas that O scale does... **************** I agree with all of the comments listed above. What will be the = formulation of the stuff used to make the smoke? Will it leave an oily = residue on the locomotive? (If so, might keep the side rods = lubricated!!) What will be the effect on the finish of the locomotive? = Will the formulation be plastic compatible and not damage the body of = the locomotive? Will the locomotive have to go through the wash rack = periodically? =20 My first thought was of the old Lionel steamer with smoke I ran = endlessly in circles while dropping pills down the stack to get smoke - = probably 50 years ago - all the while putting stuff on the track to = crash through, etc. In other words, my Toy Train phase of model = railroading. Don Arizona __________________________________________________________________ Switch to the New Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at = http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need.=20 New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ------=_NextPart_000_07DE_01C4626D.7F312120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Listers:
 
I  have been sitting on the sidelines reading this thread. I = share=20 with Don's view on if the smoke will create a residue on the engine or = the rest=20 of the layout......including all of those engines and cars that we = have all=20 tried so hard to make look just right.
If residue is an issue.....then it is a deal breaker.
 
Another item deals with the scale itself.....I doubt that you will = be able=20 to achieve "scale smoke". From the amount of smoke, the color of smoke = and the=20 aerodynamic characteristics of smoke, I doubt seriously if BLI will even = come=20 close to the prototype.
 
BLI has given us so much that last couple of years. However, all of = their=20 ideas are not always the right ones. I would put the smoke effect = for the=20 stem engines up there with the noisy stack cars that there are coming = out=20 with.....there are just some things that are best left up to our=20 imagination.
 
Those are my thoughts
 
Ted Andrews
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Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 = 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI = rumor

Bob Zoeller wrote:
Didn't hear it was black, = though. =20 Isn't it hard enough to get right-of-way at home without offending the = smoke=20 abatement authorities ? :-)
******************
Gary Mittner = wrote:=20
Yep, looks like the toy train market is hitting the HO SCALE = market. I=20 thought sure MTH would be the first to ruin, I mean introduce the = smoke=20 feature first.
*****************
Greg Mahlkov wrote:
List, = Has it=20 not occured to  anyone that black smoke is that because it = contains SOOT=20 - that is unburned carbon particles. Does no one recall when laundry = left=20 outside to dry near the railroad tracks turned=20 gray?
*****************
Bruce Smith wrote:
Nor do I want to = think of=20 that crap all over my track...
Nor have I ever seen a smoke unit = that even=20 faintly resembled the STEAM
output of a steam locomotive.  Toy = train=20 nonsense - what's next, mooing
stock cars? = ;^)
*****************
Jeff=20 Warner wrote:
What's smoke residue going to do to power pickup, = especially=20 on DCC???? 
We don't have the same contact areas that O scale = does...
****************
I agree with all of the comments listed = above.  What will be the formulation of the stuff used to make = the=20 smoke?  Will it leave an oily residue on the locomotive? (If so, = might=20 keep the side rods lubricated!!) What will be the effect on the finish = of the=20 locomotive?  Will the formulation be plastic compatible and not = damage=20 the body of the locomotive?  Will the locomotive have to go = through the=20 wash rack periodically? 
My first thought was of the old = Lionel=20 steamer with smoke I ran endlessly in circles while dropping pills = down the=20 stack to get smoke - probably 50 years ago - all the while putting = stuff on=20 the track to crash through, etc.  In other words, my Toy Train = phase of=20 model=20 = railroading.



Don
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------=_NextPart_000_07DE_01C4626D.7F312120-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "William Bigler" Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI Smoke Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:29:56 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: The problem, of course, will be exhausting all this smoke (especially once we've installed smoke units in all our steamers) from our layout rooms. Solution: Build a model Smoke Jack over the layout! I'm sure some enterprising supplier will offer a layout sized one, or even various sizes. Run them to ducts in the ceiling with an internal exhaust fan and duct them to the outside! Problems solved! Bill Bigler - 4915 Big Flats NY Modeling PRR Renovo & Williamsport WWII ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Ian Macoy Subject: [PRR] Data plates on Pennsy SD-45s Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:38:26 -0400 From: "Gregg Mahlkov" Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI Smoke Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:34:10 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: William Bigler writes: The problem, of course, will be exhausting all this smoke (especially once we've installed smoke units in all our steamers) from our layout rooms. Solution: Build a model Smoke Jack over the layout! I'm sure some enterprising supplier will offer a layout sized one, or even various sizes. Run them to ducts in the ceiling with an internal exhaust fan and duct them to the outside! Problems solved! --------------------------------------- Until the local environment protection department officer hears of this! Gregg Mahlkov PRRT&HS #7418 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:52:33 -0700 Subject: [PRR] X25 From: Greg Ritacco Message-Id: <7973E574-CEB4-11D8-80D4-000A959FDA52@surewest.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-74 ip=216.93.195.155 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Hi groups, I'm going to build an X25 lettered for ARE. My lettering diagrams for ARE and Adams are otherwise identical. I know about assumptions but is it reasonable to assume that the cars would be cleaned only where they are re-lettered? I'm planning how to weather the car. Thanks. Greg. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ndbprr@att.net Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI Smoke Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 20:25:08 +0000 Better yet model Pittsburgh and nobody will know if you have ar railroad or not. -------------- Original message from "Gregg Mahlkov" : -------------- > > William Bigler writes: > > > The problem, of course, will be exhausting all this smoke (especially once > we've installed smoke units in all our steamers) from our layout rooms. > Solution: Build a model Smoke Jack over the layout! I'm sure some > enterprising supplier will offer a layout sized one, or even various sizes. > Run them to ducts in the ceiling with an internal exhaust fan and duct them > to the outside! Problems solved! > > --------------------------------------- > > Until the local environment protection department officer hears of this! > > Gregg Mahlkov > PRRT&HS #7418 > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22811_1089059108_0 Content-Type: text/html Better yet model Pittsburgh and nobody will know if you have ar railroad or not.
-------------- Original message from "Gregg Mahlkov" : --------------
>
> William Bigler writes:
>
>
> The problem, of course, will be exhausting all this smoke (especially once
> we've installed smoke units in all our steamers) from our layout rooms.
> Solution: Build a model Smoke Jack over the layout! I'm sure some
> enterprising supplier will offer a layout sized one, or even various sizes.
> Run them to ducts in the ceiling with an internal exhaust fan and duct them
> to the outside! Problems solved!
>
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Until the local environment protection department officer hears of this!
>
> Gregg Mahlkov
> PRRT&HS #7418
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
& --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22811_1089059108_0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: sd40-blue@comcast.net Subject: Re: [PRR] Enola Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:45:42 +0000 Saw the same units working over the weekend. They are radio controlled. The loco sends back a message with what operation it's performing (braking, etc.). It really jams up the scanner!! -------------- Original message -------------- > Greetings, > I spent a couple of hours Wed Jun 30 on the "iron > bridge" (which is now a concrete bridge) on the west > end of Enola yard and I'm happy to report that it was > almost as busy as the "old days". I'm not so happy > that auto traffic is so heavy and that they whiz by so > fast. A question: there was a set of units doing > switching, a GP38-2 and 2 SW units (still in Conrail > blue) that had 2 flashing amber lights on the roof of > the GP unit. They appeared to me to be unmanned > remotely controlled units. Can anyone verify? > Joe > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21209_1089063942_0 Content-Type: text/html Saw the same units working over the weekend. They are radio controlled. The loco sends back a message with what operation it's performing (braking, etc.). It really jams up the scanner!!
-------------- Original message --------------

> Greetings,
> I spent a couple of hours Wed Jun 30 on the "iron
> bridge" (which is now a concrete bridge) on the west
> end of Enola yard and I'm happy to report that it was
> almost as busy as the "old days". I'm not so happy
> that auto traffic is so heavy and that they whiz by so
> fast. A question: there was a set of units doing
> switching, a GP38-2 and 2 SW units (still in Conrail
> blue) that had 2 flashing amber lights on the roof of
> the GP unit. They appeared to me to be unmanned
> remotely controlled units. Can anyone verify?
> Joe
>
>
>
> __________________________________
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> ---- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21209_1089063942_0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: LAMAassoc@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:57:56 EDT Subject: [PRR] Altoona Over the Fourth? X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: PRRers - Any reports yet on the festivities at the Altoona Curve over the 4th of July? There apparently was some sort of fireworks accident at Pittstown (?) near Pittsburgh. Have seen no reports yet on the Vice President's attendance or of an extraordinary flash picture of the curve. Regards, Marty ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:04:45 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "sjlash" Subject: [PRR] test message --------------Boundary-00=_XRIEG6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1"
--------------Boundary-00=_XRIEG6G0000000000000-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Dominic Mazoch" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 01:29:42 GMT Subject: [PRR] Smoke From: "Dominic Mazoch" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 01:34:21 GMT Subject: [PRR] Smoke, pt. 2 From: "Dominic Mazoch" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 01:34:21 GMT Subject: [PRR] Smoke, pt. 2 From: zootowerprr@webtv.net Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:03:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Data plates on Pennsy SD-45s MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: You are referring to the trust plates. I'll look through my slides and see of I can read what it says. I think it reads: First Bank of Pennsylvania Trustee, Owner-Agent.(?). I'm not sure. Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Al Buchan" Subject: [PRR] PRRT&HS Polling Forum Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:57:34 -0400 The PRRT&HS has added a series of questions to its website Polling Forum. Please take some time and register your thoughts and desires in the areas of concern. This will help us in some way to shape our editorial policies for TKM and The Keystone. You can only vote once so things can not get too slanted. Visit the polling forum at: http://www.prrths.com/Phila_Infoexch.html Check out the rest of the Society's website at w ww.prrths.com > National Thanx. Al ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C462E3.77F8F880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Message
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"I'm going to build an X25 lettered for ARE.  My lettering diagrams for ARE and Adams are otherwise identical.  I know about assumptions but is it reasonable to assume that the cars would be cleaned only
where they are re-lettered? I'm planning how to weather the car." 

Without a photo, it's impossible to give you a definitive answer; however, one of the the following things probably happened:

- Without cleaning the carside, the car shop simply painted a patch of FCC over "ADAMS RAILWAY" and stenciled "AMERICAN RAILWAY" over the patch.  (The patch appears clean because it's new paint.)

- The entire car was repainted, relettered, and placed back into service.


Ben Hom
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_27550_1089130240_0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: b.hom@att.net Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:31:16 +0000 Ted Andrews wrote: "BLI has given us so much that last couple of years. However, all of their ideas are not always the right ones. I would put the smoke effect for the steam engines up there with the noisy stock cars that they are coming out with.....there are just some things that are best left up to our imagination." Lots of opinions expressed about this; however, if you don't want these features, there are two approaches we can take: 1. Provide direct feedback to BLI. Case in point - originally, the Class K7A stock cars were not going to be offered without sound. After receiving consumer feedback, BLI is now offering them in four-packs without sound. Here's their contact info: E-Mail: info@broadway-limited.com Phone: (540) 949-8300 Fax: (540) 949-8377 Broadway Limited Imports, LLC 601 Shenandoah Village Drive, STE 9E/F Waynesboro, VA 22980 2. If you don't like it, don't buy it! Nobody is holding a gun to your head to buy locomotives that smoke or stock cars that moo or oink. If you want the stock cars, reserve the ones without sound. Excess inventory speaks louder than words in the retail business. Ben Hom --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_16448_1089131476_0 Content-Type: text/html

Ted Andrews wrote:
"BLI has given us so much that last couple of years. However, all of their ideas are not always the right ones. I would put the smoke effect for the steam engines up there with the noisy stock cars that they are coming out with.....there are just some things that are best left up to our imagination."

 

Lots of opinions expressed about this; however, if you don't want these features, there are two approaches we can take:

 

1.  Provide direct feedback to BLI.  Case in point - originally, the Class K7A stock cars were not going to be offered without sound.  After receiving consumer feedback, BLI is now offering them in four-packs without sound.  Here's their contact info:  

 

E-Mail: info@broadway-limited.com

 

Phone: (540) 949-8300
Fax: (540) 949-8377

 

Broadway Limited Imports, LLC
601 Shenandoah Village Drive, STE 9E/F
Waynesboro, VA 22980

 

2.  If you don't like it, don't buy it!  Nobody is holding a gun to your head to buy locomotives that smoke or stock cars that moo or oink.  If you want the stock cars, reserve the ones without sound.  Excess inventory speaks louder than words in the retail business.

 

 

Ben Hom

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Actually, I had a lot of people who liked Wilmington Memories.  I though that maybe I had seen too many paintings named " Blank Memories", so I picked "Business As Usual".  I felt that the title conveyed the idea of the wide variety of Pennsy's passenger business, as well as my regular use of the Pennsy travelling to NY and Philly.

Thanks for the great title go to Greg Martin.  Greg can contact me off list to talk about his reward.

John Ryan




--------------000106070503000704080802-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:10:39 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] BLI rumor - smoke One last comment on this subject. What will the current draw of the smoke unit be? With lighted pass. cars and multiple engines running, would this cause voltage drop problems on a DCC layout? Evan Leisey RCT&HS 346 PRRT&HS 7487 PRRT&HS (Phila.) 2036 CNJ 2003 -------------------------------1089166239 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
One last comment on this subject.  What will the current draw of t= he smoke unit be?  With lighted pass. cars and multiple engines running= , would this cause voltage drop problems on a DCC layout?

Evan Leisey
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PRRT&HS 7487
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CNJ 2003<= /DIV> -------------------------------1089166239-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: MLiebeskin@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:11:23 EDT Subject: [PRR] Re: PRR-Talk Digest - 07/07/04, Re: smoke I suggest a third option: Just don't use it. If current draw is a problem, the judicious use of a pair of diagonal cuters should solve it. Best regards, John Liebeskind -------------------------------1089202283 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
I suggest a third option: Just don't use it. If current draw is a probl= em,=20 the judicious use of a pair of diagonal cuters should solve it.
Best regards,
John Liebeskind
 -------------------------------1089202283-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: MLiebeskin@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:11:23 EDT Subject: [PRR] Re: PRR-Talk Digest - 07/07/04, Re: smoke I suggest a third option: Just don't use it. If current draw is a problem, the judicious use of a pair of diagonal cuters should solve it. Best regards, John Liebeskind -------------------------------1089202283 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
I suggest a third option: Just don't use it. If current draw is a probl= em,=20 the judicious use of a pair of diagonal cuters should solve it.
Best regards,
John Liebeskind
 -------------------------------1089202283-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:34:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: PRR-Talk Digest - 07/07/04, Re: smoke MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: List, John's E-mail message: "I suggest a third option: Just don't use it. If current draw is a problem, the judicious use of a pair of diagonal cuters should solve it". Best regards, John Liebeskind end email message List, I'd rather see a 4th option. If BLI is determined to release the locos with smoke, they need to offer the locos without the smoke system as well. Yes, it is easy for the consumer to snip the wires or turn the smoke option off but if it is never planned on being used, why pay for its installation. Also think of this. How much room is this smoke unit with built in fan going to take up in the boiler. What has to be removed for its installation? Most likely the Metal Weight. The locos too light as it is now. Remember, this isn't 027 type locos with cast metal boilers for the main weght. And think of this. Will the fan be turning off and on 4 times per revoulution of the drivers so it is in sync with the exhuast sounds? I think not. I think the majority of the posts here show the opinion of the smoke being nothing more than a cool gimmick, a problem causer in the smaller scale and downright unprototypical.....Gary Come visit my PRR Pages: Photos, Models, Historical Items and Art Work! PRR K4s Loco Pics: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/ PRR G5s, T1, J1 J1a, M1, M1a, N1s, etc. etc.: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html and...... PRR Pics, P&LE Pics, PRR Memorabilia and Misc. Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bob Zoeller" Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: PRR-Talk Digest - 07/07/04, Re: smoke Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:54:58 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: I'd have to recheck, but I thought the T, M, and J classes left space already for a Seuthe type smoke generator. Dunno about a fan. However, I have already used some of that for lead weight anyway. I have no opinion re the smoke units. I am not a hennypenny about power drain, etc, but I am skeptical it could be realistic enough to bother. BTW, without the sales volume of the "toy train" crowd (which constitute the major segment of "model railroaders"), we would probably have to pay another $100 to each loco anyway. IMNSHO. Bob Zoeller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Mittner" > Also think of this. How much room is this smoke unit with built in > fan going to take up in the boiler. What has to be removed for its > installation? Most likely the Metal Weight. The locos too light as it > is now. Remember, this isn't 027 type locos with cast metal boilers for ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: BBReynolds@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:22:49 EDT Subject: [PRR] FA: Centennial History Just caught sight of an auction for a copy of the Centennial History on eBay: item #6910689674, initial bid price of $15.95. I have no interest in this auction. Best wishes. Bruce B. Reynolds, Trailing Edge Technologies, Glenside PA --part1_198.2b741ac1.2e1d6139_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Just caught s= ight of an auction for a copy of the Centennial History on eBay:
item #6910689674, initial bid price of $15.95.=20

I have no interest in this auction.

Best wishes.

Bruce B. Reynolds, Trailing Edge Technologies, Glenside PA --part1_198.2b741ac1.2e1d6139_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ndbprr@att.net Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: PRR-Talk Digest - 07/07/04, Re: smoke Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:37:01 +0000 I don't think they look realistic when running but if it had a DCC address it could be kind of neat to turn it on and off while in the engine terminal like it was being fired up and hadn't developed enough draft yet. Norm Bell -------------- Original message from "Bob Zoeller" : -------------- > I'd have to recheck, but I thought the T, M, and J classes left space > already for a Seuthe type smoke generator. Dunno about a fan. However, I > have already used some of that for lead weight anyway. > > I have no opinion re the smoke units. I am not a hennypenny about power > drain, etc, but I am skeptical it could be realistic enough to bother. BTW, > without the sales volume of the "toy train" crowd (which constitute the > major segment of "model railroaders"), we would probably have to pay another > $100 to each loco anyway. IMNSHO. > > Bob Zoeller > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Mittner" > > Also think of this. How much room is this smoke unit with built in > > fan going to take up in the boiler. What has to be removed for its > > installation? Most likely the Metal Weight. The locos too light as it > > is now. Remember, this isn't 027 type locos with cast metal boilers for > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15527_1089211021_0 Content-Type: text/html I don't think they look realistic when running but if it had a DCC address it could be kind of neat to turn it on and off while in the engine terminal like it was being fired up and hadn't developed enough draft yet.  Norm Bell
-------------- Original message from "Bob Zoeller" : --------------
> I'd have to recheck, but I thought the T, M, and J classes left space
> already for a Seuthe type smoke generator. Dunno about a fan. However, I
> have already used some of that for lead weight anyway.
>
> I have no opinion re the smoke units. I am not a hennypenny about power
> drain, etc, but I am skeptical it could be realistic enough to bother. BTW,
> without the sales volume of the "toy train" crowd (which constitute the
> major segment of "model railroaders"), we would probably have to pay another
> $100 to each loco anyway. IMNSHO.
>
> Bob Zoeller
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Mittner"
> > Also think of this. How much room is this smoke unit with built in
> --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15527_1089211021_0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: John Frantz Subject: [PRR] BLI smoke and other Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 12:36:09 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Gentelmen, The price issue was brought up. BLI is adding $30 for the=20 smoke unit. The price without smoke has stayed the same. I'm suprised that no one has mentioned the addition to the=20 webpage for EMD F7's with trainphones, A&B powered for=20 $419 with two sets of A&B and one B unit. I'd be curious=20 as to which phase and paint scheme they'll be doing. Designer, Modeler, Consultant Mount Vernon Shops Baltimore, MD Specializing in HO & N scale for the Pennsy modeler. MLiebeskin@aol.com wrote: I suggest a third option: Just don't use it. If current=20 draw is a problem, =20 the judicious use of a pair of diagonal cuters should=20 solve it. Best regards, John Liebeskind ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gatwood, Elden -- Tt, Inc." Subject: [PRR] FW: The PRRT&HS MOdeling Committee,TKM, and our first Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:18:19 -0700