From: "Chany, Christopher" Subject: RE: [PRR] Layout Room Paint Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:59:51 -0400 From: Jerry Britton [mailto:jerry@pennsyrr.com] Subject: [PRR] Layout Room Paint RE: [PRR] Layout Room Paint

Jerry,

I took a DGLE color card to my local Tru-value and = they made a batch of Benjamin Moore DGLE.  I painted it on = Hardboard (masonite) over a white primer and its a dead on match.  = The dark color helps high-lite the layout.


Chris Chany

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Subject: [PRR] Layout Room Paint


Would there be any interest with the modelers out = there in having the
PRRT&HS paint committee work with a national = chain -- such as Home
Depot -- to come up with a formulary for Dark Green = Locomotive Enamel
and/or Tuscan Red?

No, I'm not trying to pile work on them, but if = enough people want
decent matches for painting wood in their layout = rooms, perhaps a
standard would be in order so we don't all have to = recreate the wheel.

I've decided DGLE would probably be too dark for the = fascia, but would
work for legs and other lower level benchwork. Then = again, I could just
use black.

I am considering Tuscan Red for the fascia. Pretty = stark contrast to
the green that most use and is pretty standard. Not = sure if I would
like it or not. Has anyone tried it?

Also want to do the wood trim, such as the door. Will = probably go
Tuscan, though this would be a gloss whereas the = fascia would be a flat.

Carl, anything to say on the subject?
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Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N = Scale.
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There = will be a=20 dedication ceremony for the historical marker at Duffy's Cut = Mass  Grave on the PRR = Philadelphia-Pittsburgh=20 Mainline on Friday, June 18, 2004 at 1 p.m. located at King Road and = Sugartown=20 Road near Malvern. There will be a reception following at Immaculata=20 University.  RSVP to 610-647-4400 ex. 3491.
 
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There = will be a=20 dedication ceremony for the historical marker at Duffy's Cut = Mass  Grave on the PRR = Philadelphia-Pittsburgh=20 Mainline on Friday, June 18, 2004 at 1 p.m. located at King Road and = Sugartown=20 Road near Malvern. There will be a reception following at Immaculata=20 University.  RSVP to 610-647-4400 ex. 3491.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C4482E.298B7F80-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:57:08 -0400 Subject: [PRR] TANGET -- Site Update From: Jerry Britton Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Well, we're back up...we think! Needless to say, it's been a frustrating week plus. We reported our uplink down on May 20th. It took the ISP/TelCo about 24 hours to get us back online. In hindsight, however, it appears that the problem was misdiagnosed. Following that "repair", noise was introduced onto the line. For the week that followed, the broadband router would frequently reset due to that line noise, causing outages from minutes to hours. On Thursday, May 27th, I elected to contact the TelCo directly, rather than going through the ISP. They said they would send a crew out. I told them to call another number first, as I was about 12 minutes away. I arrived that evening to find a note that said, to the effect of, "we were here and you were not". Gee, thanks! I called the TelCo and they apologized and promised to send someone out first call on May 28th, before 10 a.m. My wife waited, but no show. I called at 11:00 a.m. and they said they tested it from the office and it looked fine. I told them otherwise, and they said they would send someone out again that afternoon. Nothing apparent. Called late Friday. They said they went on-site and tested it from outside and it was fine. I said otherwise. "Hello!!!! Try ringing the doorbell and testing from the inside!!!" While the internal wiring is my responsibility, the line filters and router are their responsibility. Next call they said they would work on it Saturday. On Saturday the line noise would disappear, but still no broadband. Then they threw salt in the wound by closing for a three day weekend! First think Tuesday I was on the phone. They dispatched a crew immediately. The confirmed that my wiring was fine, but suspected some of their equipment "took a hit". (A UPS protects my equipment internally.) They checked the filters, made some changes (I think), then got a satisfactory test out of the line from inside. But the router was failing to test. Because I use SDSL (not ADSL), they didn't have a spare on hand. (SDSL emphasizes pushing data out where ADSL emphasizes inbound traffic.) They called the office from my site, and I confirmed with the person at the other end, that a new router is being shipped overnight to me to arrive today. So why are we having this conversation now? Not sure. The router came to life last night around 8:45 p.m. I'm not holding my breath until the new router arrives, but it seems to be working okay so far. I'm sorry for the outage, as I know how many people are affected, not to mention my own commercial uses. To make light of the matter, I hereby nominate my ISP (Epix) and TelCo (Commonwealth Telephone) for the "Darwin Award". In a few million years, maybe they'll have a clue! ---------------------------------------- Listmaster listmaster@dsop.com Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:33:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] MicroTrains PRR Tri-Level Auto Racks From: Jerry Britton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: On Saturday, May 29, 2004, at 01:59 AM, Douglas Nelson wrote: > MicroTrains has n scale PRR Tri-level auto racks coming in June. Can > anyone tell me what year the PRR first used these cars? Doug: Not sure the year they were introduced, but it was at least very late 1950's, but probably early 1960's. The railroad (PRR) supplied the racks which were affixed to TTX-owned flats. TTX was created in 1956. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Andy Miller" Subject: RE: [PRR] REA Interior Photos Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:18:41 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-reply-to: <2440-2200463231124646@niia.net> Importance: Normal Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Among the famous AAR publications for the public in the late 40's and = early 50's was one call "Quiz". It was the FAQ of its time and was profusely illustrated. It had, AFAIR, several shots of REA terminal operations, = both inside and outside. Regards, Andy Miller -----Original Message----- From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com] On Behalf Of k4sb@niia.net Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:11 PM To: PRR-Talk@dsop.com Subject: RE: [PRR] REA Interior Photos Somewhere in my deep memory I remember an interior shot of an REA = operation. The building had wedge style skylights supported by a warren truss. The platforms were maybe 10 feet wide. Not more that that. The stanchons = holding the roof up were on the side of the platforms so as not impede the = electric powered wagons. The shot has a nearly full building. Boxes and packages = are on wagons heading to and from cars. We too are doing a REA building. I = need info on the operation of one of these depots. Any ideas? Ken ---- Original Message ---- From: johnf2384@suscom.net To: PRR-Talk@dsop.com Subject: RE: [PRR] REA Interior Photos Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 22:43:20 -0400 >Gents, > >Could anybody point me in the direction of some interior >photos of an REA bulding operation? I was looking into=20 >building an REA building for the railroad club I belong=20 >to, and do a cutaway view showing the interior of the=20 >building. Any and all help is appreciated. > >Best Regards, >John > >Designer, Modeler, Consultant >Mount Vernon Shops >Baltimore, MD > >Specializing in HO & N scale for the Pennsy modeler. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:59:38 -0400 Subject: [PRR] PRRT&HS Annual Meeting Photos From: Jerry Britton Message-Id: <3BAE03FC-B4B6-11D8-BF4D-000393835C88@pennsyrr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Long overdue, but I finally posted over 100 photos from the PRRT&HS annual meeting held last month. Included are shots from several layout tours, Tower A, the CUT rotunda, and railfanning. Noteworthy is a tower on Ed Swain's HO layout that has a very detailed interior! Bandwidth intensive. http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/photos/ ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Chany, Christopher" Subject: RE: [PRR] PRRT&HS Annual Meeting Photos Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:18:40 -0400 From: Jerry Britton [mailto:jerry@pennsyrr.com] Subject: [PRR] PRRT&HS Annual Meeting Photos RE: [PRR] PRRT&HS Annual Meeting Photos

Jerry,
What's the picture number of the tower shot?

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Britton [mailto:jerry@pennsyrr.com]=
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 1:00 PM
To: PRR-Talk LIST
Subject: [PRR] PRRT&HS Annual Meeting = Photos


Long overdue, but I finally posted over 100 photos = from the PRRT&HS
annual meeting held last month.

Included are shots from several layout tours, Tower = A, the CUT rotunda,
and railfanning. Noteworthy is a tower on Ed Swain's = HO layout that has
a very detailed interior!

Bandwidth intensive. http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/photos/

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Jerry Britton, SPF   Member, = PRRT&HS   jerry@pennsyrr.com
Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N = Scale.
"Keystone Crossings" - Home of the = "PRR-Talk" mailing list!
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Anybody know where the interlocking diagrams can be located? Other structures in Sunbury - PRR or RDG - we need photos as of these as well. Other Shamokin Branch and Norry area fans and modellers could contact us off-line if you want to exchange info on transition era trains and facilities. Thanks, owen thorne -- Owen Thorne Fairhill, MD owen@udel.edu 1-410-620-2078 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Subject: [PRR] Pennsy S Models X29 update Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:19:25 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Hi All, We had a meeting with our builder today. I am happy to report that we = should have the production run of the Railway Express version here by the first week of July latest. We have a very = few REA cars left, so if you were considering reserving a REA car the time to act is now! Once the car ships from the = far away land, there will be a substantial price increase. Please visit my Pennsy S Models website for more = information and download a PDF order form. Once the REA cars are complete we will turn out attention to doing the = various PRR freight and B&O versions. My builder is also taking back additional PRR drawings to the factory to = start the design work for the G26 gondola. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com The Production has begun for the REA Version Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:19:50 -0400 From: "Richard Poole" Subject: [PRR] Trouble Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: prr-talk@dsop.com From: John Clark Subject: [PRR] T.S. Martorano Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:40:51 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Can anyone help me with a way to contact T.S. Martorano of Brooklyn N.Y.? He was at Cincinnati, OH. selling photos and I would like to contact him. Thanks in advance. John Clark Indianapolis ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ndbprr@att.net Subject: [PRR] Wilmington Painting Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:59:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:30:59 -0400 Subject: [PRR] TKM May 2004 From: Jerry Britton Message-Id: <65824195-B57B-11D8-8836-000393835C88@pennsyrr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: The May issue of The Keystone Modeler came out many weeks ago, but the PDF didn't show. I sent an e-mail to Al but haven't heard anything. It still isn't posted. Anyone know if the PDF version of TKM is being killed off? I don't know what everyone else prefers, but I prefer the PDF to save as a long-term resource. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Chany, Christopher" Subject: RE: [PRR] TKM May 2004 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:09:48 -0400 From: Jerry Britton [mailto:jerry@pennsyrr.com] Subject: [PRR] TKM May 2004 RE: [PRR] TKM May 2004

Jerry,

 I know at the modelers meeting they mentioned = that the PDF would come out about a week after the issue came = out.  However since the issue was later than normal due to the = meeting and Al going on vacation I'll bet its just a little behind = schedule.


Chris Chany



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:31 PM
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Subject: [PRR] TKM May 2004


The May issue of The Keystone Modeler came out many = weeks ago, but the
PDF didn't show. I sent an e-mail to Al but haven't = heard anything. It
still isn't posted.

Anyone know if the PDF version of TKM is being killed = off?

I don't know what everyone else prefers, but I prefer = the PDF to save
as a long-term resource.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jerry Britton, SPF   Member, = PRRT&HS   jerry@pennsyrr.com
Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N = Scale.
"Keystone Crossings" - Home of the = "PRR-Talk" mailing list!
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Hi all;

I hope you are all enjoying the beginning of summer = and our May issue of TKM.   = We have more stuff for you around the corner in the June issue (due out in a = matter of days).  We are steadily = diversifying the topics of the articles, and hope we get more submissions on a = variety of subjects.

 

Speaking of getting submissions, I hope some of you = are thinking of writing an article or two for TKM, and perhaps even an = article on the prototype for the Keystone.  = We want to give you a lot of great things to read, but we can only publish = what we get.  I know many of you = are simply overflowing with knowledge, and hope you can put finger to keyboard and = submit something spectacular for us.

 

We should be publishing a great article on a big = structure soon (I'll let you guess on that one), and doing some diesels and more steam.  We could really = use some material on passenger cars, more structures and lineside detail, and, as they say, etc.  These new Branchline cars may offer = a wealth of opportunity to some of you that know that subject.  Plus, some of the new motive = power is just begging to be detailed and "Pennsified".  Articles need not be that big, either.  There are some = small subjects that would fit in really nicely.  We could also use articles about projects in scales other than = HO.

 

I also hope you all read Al's lead-off page in the Keystone, and understand the importance of renewing your = memberships.  He stated the whole situation = very accurately.  I realize times are tight, but = we don't want to have to reduce the scope of services we offer because we can = not longer afford to do so.  Red ink = is red ink.

 

That's about it.  Feel free to drop me a line and tell me how we are doing, what = you'd like to see next, and perhaps what you'd like to do for the = society.

 

 

Elden Gatwood

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Al =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ST. LOUIS RAILROAD PROTOTYPE MODELER=E2=80=99S MEET The first-ever St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler=E2=80=99s Meet will = be held Saturday, August 21st at the Katy Cavins Recreation Center, 308 = East 5th Street, O=E2=80=99Fallon, IL 62269. O=E2=80=99Fallon is about = 18 miles east of downtown St. Louis by I=E2=80=9155/70 and I=E2=80=9164 = in St. Clair County. The heart of this event is the model display by attendees. Bring your = models, finished and unfinished, for display in the main room. All = scales, gauges are welcome; attendees are encouraged to bring = locomotives, rolling stock, structures and any other models pertaining = to prototype railroading. There will be no contests or awards. The = purpose of the meet is to share information and your best modeling = techniques, and meet modelers from the entire St. Louis metro area and = beyond. Join us! In addition to model displays, presentations and demonstrations by = nationally-recognized modelers and railroad historians from the St. = Louis area are scheduled. Speakers include Ed Hawkins, David Jobe, Sr., = Dan Kohlberg, Jack Spencer, Dave Davis, Pat Wider, John Lee, John = Welther and Chris Thies. Historical Societies and select local vendors = will also be in attendance. Presentation itinerary (subject to change) = is printed on the back of this page. Join Us! SATURDAY, August 21st in O=E2=80=99FALLON, IL Hours for this one-day event are 9:30 A.M. to 11:00 P.M. Set up begins = at 7:45. Presentations begin at Noon. Contact John Golden at = Stlmeet@yahoo.com or = Golden1014@yahoo.com for more meet info = and to reserve display tables for your models. No internet? Call (618) = 910-9764 and leave a message. Admission $12.50. PRESENTATION SCHEDULE Ed Hawkins - EMD F-3 through F-9 Locomotives & Modeling Considerations One of the nation=E2=80=99s leading freight car historians and publisher = of the popular Railway Prototype Cyclopedia series, Ed Hawkins discusses = EMD F-3, F-7 and other EMD F-units locomotives, plus tips for modeling.=20 Jack Spencer - Freight Car Superdetailing Called =E2=80=9CThe best steam era freight car modeler=E2=80=9D by = author Ted Culotta, Jack Spencer demonstrates his techniques for = superdetailing HO freight cars. See Jack=E2=80=99s work at = http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/models/spencer/spencernap03main.= html David Jobe, Sr. =E2=80=93 Illinois Terminal RR & Modeling Considerations = in Proto:87 Illinois Terminal guru David Jobe, Sr. shows why the IT is the perfect = choice for the railroad prototype modeler! David also demonstrates = modeling the IT in Proto:87 using the many off-the-shelf components now = commercially available. John Lee - Badger Airbrushes and Painting Demonstration John Lee=E2=80=99s hands-on clinic shows off Badger=E2=80=99s newest air = brushes (#155, #360, #200NH, #200-20 and more). Learn to spray and = MODELflex paints from the expert! Daniel Kohlberg =E2=80=93 Illinois Central Gulf Covered Hoppers, 1970s Illinois Central historian and modeler Dan Kohlberg covers ICG prototype = cars, roster, paint schemes, and modeling in HO. Lots of prototype = photos covering over 2400 cars. These cars are a standard fixture for = Midwestern freight trains from the 1970s to today. John Welther - Detailing Diesels Published author and St. Louis icon John Welther shows how to detail = diesel locomotives in several scales. Pat Wider - Modeling Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars in HO Noted Railway Prototype Cyclopedia author and steam-era historian Pat = Wider shows what you=E2=80=99ll need to know to round out your standard = passenger train consists. Chris Thies =E2=80=93 FreeMo Get in on the ground floor of FreeMo with Chris Thies of the GSMRE = (Gateway Society of Model Railroad Engineers). FreeMo is a = revolutionary HO modular design concept that=E2=80=99s sweeping the = nation. For more information go to http://www.free-mo.org and = = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Free-mo/ Dave Davis - Prototype Track Modeling (Tentative) Dave Davis discusses prototypical track modeling as featured in his = recent series in Mainline Modeler, with emphasis on maintenance of way = and tie gang operations. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C449A0.CAE6B9D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Message

Doesn't appear to be any PRR content here, but these meetings are = typically=20 very good. John Golden, who is running the meet, is a great modeler and = good=20 friend.

Al
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

ST.=20 LOUIS

 RAILROAD PROTOTYPE MODELER=E2=80=99S MEET

The = first-ever St.=20 Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler=E2=80=99s Meet will be held Saturday, = August 21st at=20 the Katy Cavins Recreation Center, 308 East 5th Street, = O=E2=80=99Fallon, IL=20 62269.  O=E2=80=99Fallon is about 18 miles east of downtown St. = Louis by I=E2=80=9155/70=20 and I=E2=80=9164 in St. Clair County.

The heart of this event is = the model=20 display by attendees. Bring your models, finished and unfinished, for = display in=20 the main room.  All scales, gauges are welcome; attendees are = encouraged to=20 bring locomotives, rolling stock, structures and any other models = pertaining to=20 prototype railroading. There will be no contests or awards. The purpose = of the=20 meet is to share information and your best modeling techniques, and meet = modelers from the entire St. Louis metro area and beyond.  Join=20 us!

In addition to model displays, presentations and = demonstrations by=20 nationally-recognized modelers and railroad historians from the St. = Louis area=20 are scheduled.  Speakers include Ed Hawkins, David Jobe, Sr., Dan = Kohlberg,=20 Jack Spencer, Dave Davis, Pat Wider, John Lee, John Welther and Chris=20 Thies.  Historical Societies and select local vendors will also be = in=20 attendance.  Presentation itinerary (subject to change) is printed = on the=20 back of this page.

Join Us!

SATURDAY, August 21st in = O=E2=80=99FALLON,=20 IL

Hours for this one-day event are 9:30 A.M. to 11:00 P.M.  = Set up=20 begins at 7:45.  Presentations begin at Noon.  Contact John = Golden=20 at  <mailto:Stlmeet@yahoo.com>=20 Stlmeet@yahoo.com or  <mailto:Golden1014@yahoo.com> = Golden1014@yahoo.com for more meet info and to reserve display tables = for your=20 models.  No internet? Call (618) 910-9764 and leave a = message. =20 Admission $12.50.

PRESENTATION SCHEDULE

Ed Hawkins - EMD = F-3=20 through F-9 Locomotives & Modeling Considerations
One of the = nation=E2=80=99s=20 leading freight car historians and publisher of the popular Railway = Prototype=20 Cyclopedia series, Ed Hawkins discusses EMD F-3, F-7 and other EMD = F-units=20 locomotives, plus tips for modeling. 

Jack Spencer - Freight = Car=20 Superdetailing
Called =E2=80=9CThe best steam era freight car = modeler=E2=80=9D by author Ted=20 Culotta, Jack Spencer demonstrates his techniques for superdetailing HO = freight=20 cars.  See Jack=E2=80=99s work at http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/models/spencer/spe= ncernap03main.html

David=20 Jobe, Sr. =E2=80=93 Illinois Terminal RR & Modeling Considerations = in=20 Proto:87
Illinois Terminal guru David Jobe, Sr. shows why the IT is = the=20 perfect choice for the railroad prototype modeler!  David also = demonstrates=20 modeling the IT in Proto:87 using the many off-the-shelf components now=20 commercially available.

John Lee - Badger Airbrushes and Painting = Demonstration
John Lee=E2=80=99s hands-on clinic shows off = Badger=E2=80=99s newest air=20 brushes (#155, #360, #200NH, #200-20 and more). Learn to spray and = MODELflex=20 paints from the expert!

Daniel Kohlberg =E2=80=93 Illinois = Central Gulf Covered=20 Hoppers, 1970s
Illinois Central historian and modeler Dan Kohlberg = covers ICG=20 prototype cars, roster, paint schemes, and modeling in HO.  Lots of = prototype photos covering over 2400 cars. These cars are a standard = fixture for=20 Midwestern freight trains from the 1970s to today.

John Welther - = Detailing Diesels
Published author and St. Louis icon John Welther = shows how=20 to detail diesel locomotives in several scales.

Pat Wider - = Modeling=20 Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars in HO
Noted Railway Prototype = Cyclopedia=20 author and steam-era historian Pat Wider shows what you=E2=80=99ll need = to know to round=20 out your standard passenger train consists.

Chris Thies =E2=80=93 = FreeMo
Get=20 in on the ground floor of FreeMo with Chris Thies of the GSMRE (Gateway = Society=20 of Model Railroad Engineers).  FreeMo is a revolutionary HO modular = design=20 concept that=E2=80=99s sweeping the nation.  For more information = go to http://www.free-mo.org and  = <http://groups.yahoo.com/g= roup/Free-mo/>=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/g= roup/Free-mo/

Dave=20 Davis - Prototype Track Modeling (Tentative)
Dave Davis discusses=20 prototypical track modeling as featured in his recent series in Mainline = Modeler, with emphasis on maintenance of way and tie gang=20 operations.

------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C449A0.CAE6B9D0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "jconsoli" Subject: Re: [PRR] T.S. Martorano Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:40:22 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p5 (Debian) at paonline.com Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: John The man that was selling photos from the T.S. Martorano collection in Cincinnati was J. Michael Gruber Mainline Photos P.O. Box 411 Portage, WI 53901 I was under the impression that Mr. Martorano is deceased. Can anyone verify that? Jack Consoli ----- Original Message ----- From: John Clark To: Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:40 PM Subject: [PRR] T.S. Martorano > Can anyone help me with a way to contact T.S. Martorano of Brooklyn > N.Y.? > He was at Cincinnati, OH. selling photos and I would like to contact > him. > Thanks in advance. > > John Clark > Indianapolis > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bob Zoeller" Subject: Re: [PRR] T.S. Martorano Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:02:33 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Yes, Tom , a VP of Dean Witter who was a Pennsy fan (among other roads) and spent many hours at swap meets selling photos, died too early of cancer. I remember he beat me to a small collection of negatives from John Allen at the DuPage train show by a heartbeat :-). I am not sure the spelling of his last name in the subject line is correct, but will have to check some photos to verify. Bob Zoeller ----- Original Message ----- From: "jconsoli" > > I was under the impression that Mr. Martorano is deceased. Can anyone > verify that? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Subject: [PRR] Re: PRR's "Q" Operational Again! Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:05:24 +0000 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Great news on 6131! What shop restored it? Do you have any photos? I'd love to see photos from its Michigan trials! Thanks Ron Weinland ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Subject: [PRR] Re: PRR's "Q" Operational Again! Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:05:24 +0000 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Great news on 6131! What shop restored it? Do you have any photos? I'd love to see photos from its Michigan trials! Thanks Ron Weinland ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Subject: [PRR] G26 or similar loads Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:18:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Hi All, Sorry about the earlier blank message. I am on my laptop a herky jerky = sputtering USB mouse. I am starting the design of my G26 project. I thought a nice optional = load would give it some interest and play value. I am hoping you may have some photos of a G26 or similar with an = interesting long load like an airplane wing etc. or perhaps a bridge beam section. It would be great if the photo file was large enough to print at 5 x7 or = larger. Please reply directly to billlane@comcast.net =20 Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version arriving July 1st Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Subject: [PRR] National "B" Trucks Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:57:47 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Hi All, Does anyone have large plans for National B trucks? I know that there are drawings in a car builders but I would prefer larger plans in possible. I am making a new truck for the G26. Please reply to billlane@comcast.net Trades for other PRR materials and/or all expenses will be covered. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version arriving July 1st Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: b.hom@att.net Subject: Re: [PRR] T.S. Martorano Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 13:58:46 +0000 Jack Consoli wrote: I was under the impression that Mr. Martorano is deceased. Can anyone verify that? Sadly, yes. His widow was selling off his estate at Naperville last October. Ben Hom --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23696_1086443926_0 Content-Type: text/html

Jack Consoli wrote:

I was under the impression that Mr. Martorano is deceased.  Can anyone
verify that?

 

Sadly, yes.  His widow was selling off his estate at Naperville last October.

 

 

Ben Hom

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     Having posted = the question=20 about a NH---NE type steel caboose, the answer arrived from the source. = Please=20 see the following:=20 http:www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hone6caboose.htm    &n= bsp;         
 , this link goes to the new NE-6 = which is=20 being done in two window configurations>>> the narrow spaced = NH, and=20 the wider spaced NKP.  Now my LInes West mail & express trains = will=20 have the Boston car on the tail !! For the Lines West crew, this give us = a basis=20 for the P&WV, or W&LE for interchange traffic.
   Of partcular note, the = N-scale model=20 is used in the info page. There are going to be a lot of these moving = through=20 the middle division, so order early.
------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C44A13.7DA4C180-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Subject: [PRR] Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:07:03 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version arriving July 1st Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Weldon" Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR's "Q" Operational Again! Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:33:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Richard: Sorry, but you do not have the only operational PRR, Q-2, 4-4-6-4. And coincidentally it is in Michigan. Now, it is not a LIVE STEAMER, but is "O" scale 2 rail and can be seen this fall and winter at the Detroit Model Railroad Club in Holly, Michigan, if all goes well it will be DCC controlled with sound as well. Now if you are not mad at me, I'd like to see this Giant in operation. Can you tell us where in Michigan and can a humble slobbering Pennsy freak like me be allowed to see this marvel in person? All the best to you and yours Weldon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Poole" To: "PRR TALK" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 4:43 PM Subject: [PRR] PRR's "Q" Operational Again! > The only operational PRR, Q-2, 6131, 4-4-6-4, was test run SATURDAY in ICKESBURG, PA. The ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Subject: [PRR] Lanes Trains Website Update Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:04:18 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Hi All, I have just updated my website with many new photos of recently completed models that went though the Lanes Trains backshop. Please give it a look. There are additions in almost every category. O Scale: More PRR Hoppers PRR FM Flat car with 5 containers. I had custom decals made with different container numbers to complete this car. I have enough decals to complete 3 more cars. HO Scale: 3 PRR Streamlined passenger cars PRR N5e My Models: X33a that I converted to an X32a 3 Scale N8 Cabin Cars that I superdetailed with a correct draft gear, marker lamps, air hose and cut lever chains, conduit for the Trainphone receivers, Trust Plates the generator drive belt and simulated the connection of the Trainphone system to the truck sideframes. I look forward to quoting you on painting your brass models as well. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version arriving July 1st Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Chany, Christopher" Subject: [PRR] Pullman cars on the PRR Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:30:43 -0400 From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 08:23:42 EDT Subject: [PRR] PRR Horse Cars This week I viewed a PRR Horse Car displayed outside on the grounds of the RR Museum of Penna. A detailed never noticed on photos of this car was a bar that could be pulled out of the door frame across the doorway. Does anyone know if this original equipment? If not, would it have been seen on the car in 1950? Many thanks, Evan Leisey Temporarily in Penna. -------------------------------1086524622 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
   This week I viewed a PRR Horse Car displayed outside on th= e grounds of the RR Museum of Penna.    A detailed never noti= ced on photos of this car was a bar that could be pulled out of the door fra= me across the doorway.  Does anyone know if this original equipment?&nb= sp; If not, would it have been seen on the car in 1950?
 
Many thanks,
 
Evan Leisey
Temporarily in Penna.
 -------------------------------1086524622-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Weldon" Subject: [PRR] Test Please desregard Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 13:31:28 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Sent 6/6/04 1:31PM ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 13:37:35 -0400 From: "Dr. Edmond L. Freed" Subject: [PRR] Re: Pullman cars on the PRR Chris Chany wrote: Which of the following Pullman plans might be seen on PRR trains? #4130 12 Duplex 4 BR Yes. the Creek cars. 24 cars. #4069H 4 BR 4 CMP 3 DR No. Only 4069B & 4069D were PRR. 12 cars. #4069H were UP & C&NW. Regards, Eddie --------------0118CE743E0FBF544DE88F7C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Chris Chany wrote:

Which of the following Pullman plans might be seen on PRR trains?

#4130 12 Duplex 4 BR

Yes. the Creek cars. 24 cars.

#4069H  4 BR 4 CMP 3 DR

No. Only 4069B & 4069D were PRR. 12 cars.

#4069H were UP & C&NW.

Regards,

Eddie --------------0118CE743E0FBF544DE88F7C-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Cc: "PRR TALK" From: Listmaster Subject: Re: [PRR] Test Please desregard Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:16:22 -0400 To: "Weldon" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: On Jun 6, 2004, at 1:31 PM, Weldon wrote: > Sent 6/6/04 1:31PM > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. The anticipation of the results is killing me! ---------------------------------------- Listmaster listmaster@dsop.com Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 00:35:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] What if the PRR had Budd RDCs? X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,16-18,20-51 From: Michael E Allen Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Mike, et alia I thought this one through many years ago when I was in high school and when the PRR was not yet history and we did not have access to the resources we have now. The two solutions that I came up with were an Athearn RDC-3 done in Floquil Tuscan with a Grimy Black roof and underbody like the MP-54s on the dinky. PENNSYLVANIA was spelled out on the letterboard and the number was centered below the windows. This car also received what I thought of as "Garbage Can " headlights and assorted other details to mimic 4666. The other solution was two RDC-1s in a far more likely silver with a tuscan window band and ends (The doors were also tuscan because I had difficulty masking them.) These cars had Keystones just inboard of the doors and on the end door and otherwise followed what I had seen on various lightweight cars. The numbers I used were 4681,-2,-3. I also wanted to do one which mimicked the Metroliner scheme with the red pinstripes but Nassau Hobby did not have any decal striping narrow enough. Mike Allen On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:55:54 -0400 (EDT) "mkwb@excite.com" writes: > > What if the PRR had decided to purchase Rail Diesel Cars from Budd? > > What kind of PRR-specific modifications or additions might have been > made (that would be worth modeling)? Which type (RDC-1, 2, 3 or 4) > would the PRR have purchased the most? What might have been the > number series? Where on the system might they have been used and > how? > > I like to think the paint scheme might have been all-stainless > steel, with black lettering in the letterboard (extended Roman font > early, Helvetica or Arial later in the immediate pre-merger years), > and keystone logos at both ends. Or, how about tuscan red > letterboards with gold leaf Roman lettering (kind of like the CP's > early scheme)? > > Opinions? Ideas? I'd like to model myself some hypothetical PRR RDC > cars in HO scale, and would like to hear some ideas. > > Thanks in advance, > > Mike Bartel > > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Subject: [PRR] B6 expert Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:11:54 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Hi All, Please contact me directly if you think you are a B6 expert. I am also looking for people knowledgeable about the A5 and B8a. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version arriving July 1st Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:24:56 -0400 Subject: [PRR] InterMountain / Bethlehem Car Works B60b's From: Jerry Britton Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: This past Friday InterMountain posted the first photos of the new built-up BCW B60b model. They've swapped the arrival order, however. The first to arrive will be the express messenger car with the Keystone (1960's) scheme. See http://intermountain-railway.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Andy Miller" Subject: RE: [PRR] InterMountain / Bethlehem Car Works B60b's Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:40:35 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Looks like the original Bethlehem/ECW car with Red Ball trucks! It has = the same problem that the Bethlehem/ECW cars had. The doors are flush with = the sides. The prototype doors were visibly recessed. On the kits this is fixable, but the RTR buyers a S out of luck. Hope they are all just collectors ;-) Regards, Andy Miller -----Original Message----- From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Britton Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 8:25 AM To: PRR-Talk LIST Subject: [PRR] InterMountain / Bethlehem Car Works B60b's This past Friday InterMountain posted the first photos of the new=20 built-up BCW B60b model. They've swapped the arrival order, however. The first to arrive will be=20 the express messenger car with the Keystone (1960's) scheme. See http://intermountain-railway.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone = Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:45:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] InterMountain / Bethlehem Car Works B60b's From: Jerry Britton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: On Monday, June 7, 2004, at 09:40 AM, Andy Miller wrote: > Looks like the original Bethlehem/ECW car with Red Ball trucks! It > has the > same problem that the Bethlehem/ECW cars had. The doors are flush > with the > sides. The prototype doors were visibly recessed. On the kits this is > fixable, but the RTR buyers a S out of luck. Hope they are all just > collectors ;-) This, BTW, was also my first look at it. They've certainly left the door open for Walthers to improve upon it. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "SID JOHNSON" Subject: [PRR] Pass Ops Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:09:11 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Here's situation that I cannot resolve. In 1954 the PRR ran a 10-6 Pullman west to Columbus on #3, the Penn Texas. According to the New York Division "make up" of trains that Pullman turned off of #40. #41 did not carry a 10-6 into Cincinnati, but #40 did have a 10-6 originating in Cincinnati. The question is how that Columbus 10-6 got to Cincinnati? Possibilities: 1. Was it deadheaded on #203 or #205? 2. The "make up" of trains says the car could be either a PRR car or a N&W car. Is it possible that the Columbus car was interchanged to the N&W and made a trip to Norfolk or Winston Salem before being interchanged back to the PRR at Cincinnati? An intriguing question! Sid Johnson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Cc: "Andy Miller" , "'PRR-Talk LIST'" From: Bruce Smith Subject: Re: [PRR] InterMountain / Bethlehem Car Works B60b's Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:10:46 -0500 To: Jerry Britton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: On Jun 7, 2004, at 8:45 AM, Jerry Britton wrote: > On Monday, June 7, 2004, at 09:40 AM, Andy Miller wrote: > >> Looks like the original Bethlehem/ECW car with Red Ball trucks! It >> has the >> same problem that the Bethlehem/ECW cars had. The doors are flush >> with the >> sides. The prototype doors were visibly recessed. On the kits this >> is >> fixable, but the RTR buyers a S out of luck. Hope they are all just >> collectors ;-) > > This, BTW, was also my first look at it. They've certainly left the > door open for Walthers to improve upon it. Dang, I'm good On May 27th I said: > Body: Walthers will almost certainly have a nicer body... An etched > brass side just can't duplicate things like the rounded inset of the > baggage door or the three levels of detail required for a rub rail > over a batten, which in turn stands proud of the side. While etched brass car sides are a very useful technology that can provide us with models of cars that we might not have otherwise, my experience with it indicates that it runs a very poor second with respect to reproducing realistic details. Thus, I question its use in the production of a car that has already been produced in a superior medium. NOW, if ECW/IM were doing the B60, which is otherwise not available, then it might be a more reasonable approach. Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bob Zoeller" Subject: Re: [PRR] InterMountain / Bethlehem Car Works B60b's Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:14:17 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: You may have answered my question on the trucks--- I was curious and will check with the supplier. The Walthers trucks are well detailed and proportioned, but at least the operators among us wouldn't have cause to complain as the Capeline (nee Redball?) trucks are better operating than the Walthers (YMMV) and give some weight down low. I am going to check because I can't believe those Capeline molds are still workable and the trucks in the photos look plastic---can't vouch for the detail. Never noticed the recessed door problem and won't in a train, but now that you mention it, Andy, darn it now I will have to make the correction when I build my remaining two kits or it will bother me forever :-). Bob Zoeller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Miller" To: "'Jerry Britton'" ; "'PRR-Talk LIST'" Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 8:40 AM Subject: RE: [PRR] InterMountain / Bethlehem Car Works B60b's Looks like the original Bethlehem/ECW car with Red Ball trucks! It has the same problem that the Bethlehem/ECW cars had. The doors are flush with the sides. The prototype doors were visibly recessed. On the kits this is fixable, but the RTR buyers a S out of luck. Hope they are all just collectors ;-) Regards, Andy Miller -----Original Message----- From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Britton Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 8:25 AM To: PRR-Talk LIST Subject: [PRR] InterMountain / Bethlehem Car Works B60b's This past Friday InterMountain posted the first photos of the new built-up BCW B60b model. They've swapped the arrival order, however. The first to arrive will be the express messenger car with the Keystone (1960's) scheme. See http://intermountain-railway.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bob Zoeller" Subject: Re: [PRR] InterMountain / Bethlehem Car Works B60b's Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:37:33 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Hmm. My other question to our supplier IM is whether the car has brass sides. The announcement sure doesn't mention it, though web had that scuttlebutt months ago. Now that you mention it, I am going to look more closely at my horse-express and scenery-express carsides (though as I remember it,those kits do have material to at least recess the doors ). I will also look at the Matchless class kit, though my impression of that brass side was very favorable. Then again, maybe I was comparing it to Bachmann at the time. But I gotta get out of here to go fishing rather than dig through the storage locker for train stuff :-) Bob Zoeller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Smith" > While etched brass car sides are a very useful technology that can > provide us with models of cars that we might not have otherwise, my > experience with it indicates that it runs a very poor second with > respect to reproducing realistic details. Thus, I question its use in > the production of a car that has already been produced in a superior > medium. NOW, if ECW/IM were doing the B60, which is otherwise not > available, then it might be a more reasonable approach. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: b.hom@att.net Subject: Re: [PRR] TKM May 2004 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 17:36:47 +0000 Jerry Britton wrote: The May issue of The Keystone Modeler came out many weeks ago, but the PDF didn't show. I sent an e-mail to Al but haven't heard anything. It still isn't posted. Anyone know if the PDF version of TKM is being killed off? Shame on you, Jerry - this is how bogus rumors get started. The TKM PDF version is alive and well at: http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/TKM_Images/Keystone_Modler_NO010_files/TKM%20No.%2010%2005-04%20PDF.pdf FWIW, Al's been on vacation over the past two weeks with limited e-mail connectivity. Ben Hom --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6320_1086629807_0 Content-Type: text/html

Jerry Britton wrote:

The May issue of The Keystone Modeler came out many weeks ago, but the
PDF didn't show. I sent an e-mail to Al but haven't heard anything. It
still isn't posted.  Anyone know if the PDF version of TKM is being killed off?

 

Shame on you, Jerry - this is how bogus rumors get started.  The TKM PDF version is alive and well at:

http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/TKM_Images/Keystone_Modler_NO010_files/TKM%20No.%2010%2005-04%20PDF.pdf

 

FWIW, Al's been on vacation over the past two weeks with limited e-mail connectivity.

 

 

Ben Hom

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6320_1086629807_0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: KEMACPRR@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:00:52 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] InterMountain / Bethlehem Car Works B60b's The IM/BCW B-60 does have brass sides. ECW was not interested in sending their all plastic kits to be built so we modelers get what was available. This was offered with the knowledge that Walthers would be building a B-60 in the near future. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken McCorry --part1_ac.59e72607.2df63184_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" The IM/BCW B-= 60 does have brass sides.  ECW was not interested in sending their all=20= plastic kits to be built so we modelers get what was available. This was off= ered with the knowledge that Walthers would be building a B-60 in the near f= uture. ---------------------------------------------------------------------= --  Ken McCorry --part1_ac.59e72607.2df63184_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: zootowerprr@webtv.net Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:07:52 -0400 Subject: [PRR] New PRR "Lines West" signal bridge. MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Hello List, There are some photos of the new "Lines West" signal bridge on Oregon Rail Supply's website. It shows a built up version of the HO kit. (2 and 4 track bridge is shown) It looks good. Most (if not all PRR modelers) have been waiting for this type of signal bridge for years. Dave Hopson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Ted Andrews" Subject: RE: [PRR] New PRR "Lines West" signal bridge. Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:49:18 +0000 >From: zootowerprr@webtv.net >Subject: [PRR] New PRR "Lines West" signal bridge. >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:07:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 19:02:21 -0400 From: Jeff Warner Subject: Re: [PRR] New PRR "Lines West" signal bridge. Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: And the pictures show the new "rounded off" lower quandrant signal heads... Hopefully, they will be available separately, but this isn't mentioned on the web site (yet)... Jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: hanel29@att.net Subject: [PRR] Con-Cor E7 shells Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:12:23 +0000 I have a number of new Con-Cor E7 shells. I would like to build them into operating locomotives. Unfortunatley, I don't know which chassis/motor units will fit these shells. Can anyone help/direct me? Thank you, - Hank --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15203_1086649943_0 Content-Type: text/html I have a number of new Con-Cor E7 shells. I would like to build them into operating locomotives. Unfortunatley, I don't know which chassis/motor units will fit these shells. Can anyone help/direct me? Thank you, - Hank --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15203_1086649943_0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: hanel29@att.net Subject: [PRR] Con-Cor E7 shells Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:12:23 +0000 I have a number of new Con-Cor E7 shells. I would like to build them into operating locomotives. Unfortunatley, I don't know which chassis/motor units will fit these shells. Can anyone help/direct me? Thank you, - Hank --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15203_1086649943_0 Content-Type: text/html I have a number of new Con-Cor E7 shells. I would like to build them into operating locomotives. Unfortunatley, I don't know which chassis/motor units will fit these shells. Can anyone help/direct me? Thank you, - Hank --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15203_1086649943_0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gatwood, Elden -- Tt, Inc." Subject: RE: [PRR] New PRR "Lines West" signal bridge. Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:13:13 -0700 From: Ted Andrews [mailto:ted_andrews@msn.com] Subject: RE: [PRR] New PRR "Lines West" signal bridge. >From: zootowerprr@webtv.net >Subject: [PRR] New PRR "Lines West" signal bridge. >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:07:52 -0400 RE: [PRR] New PRR "Lines West" signal bridge.

Ted;
I thought you also said that about that leg-shaped = lamp you won in the newspaper contest...

Sorry, that was Darren McGavin, wasn't it?  At = least he and his son enjoyed those trains in the store window!

Elden

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Andrews [mailto:ted_andrews@msn.com] =
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:49 PM
To: zootowerprr@webtv.net; PRR-Talk@dsop.com
Subject: RE: [PRR] New PRR "Lines West" = signal bridge.

Thanks Dave for the heads up on the = photos.........ITS INDESCRIBABLY
BEAUTIFUL!!!

Woo HOO!!!!

Yes, I have been waiting too long these.... = :-)



Ted


>From: zootowerprr@webtv.net
>To: PRR-Talk@dsop.com
>Subject: [PRR] New PRR "Lines West" = signal bridge.
>Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:07:52 -0400
>
>Hello List,
>
>          = ; There are some photos of the new "Lines West" signal bridge = on
>Oregon Rail Supply's website. It shows a built = up version of the HO kit.
>(2 and 4 track bridge is shown) It looks = good.
>          = ;  Most (if not all PRR modelers) have been waiting for = this
>type of signal bridge for years.
>
>  Dave Hopson
>
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------= ------------
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C44CE4.C3737156-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: zootowerprr@webtv.net Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:42:29 -0400 Subject: RE: [PRR] New PRR "Lines West" signal bridge. MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Ted & list Now once I get the Lines West, it's a must to put working position signals on it. That's the next BIG project on our layout. It would nice to see a scale PRR dwarf signal produced in HO. Wishful thinking.... Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:06:10 -0400 Subject: RE: [PRR] New PRR "Lines West" signal bridge. MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Dave, Checkout TKM #9 for info on the soon to be released PRR Dwarfs....Gary Come visit my PRR Pages: Photos, Models, Historical Items and Art Work! PRR K4s Loco Pics: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/ PRR G5s, T1, J1 J1a, M1, M1a, N1s, etc. etc.: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html and...... PRR Pics, P&LE Pics, PRR Memorabilia and Misc. Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:10:21 -0400 From: TGREGMRTN@aol.com Subject: Re: [PRR] New PRR "Lines West" signal bridge. Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: zootowerprr@webtv.net writes: > Hello List, > > There are some photos of the new "Lines West" signal bridge on Oregon Rail Supply's website. It shows a built up version of the HO kit. (2 and 4 track bridge is shown) It looks good. > Most (if not all PRR modelers) have been waiting for this type of signal bridge for years. > > Dave Hopson Dave and all, Watch for more details in TKM for June! More photos... I took some shots of both bridges with a little help from my/our friend Dick Yager... Great guy, Great product! Greg Martin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: zootowerprr@webtv.net Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:31:03 -0400 Subject: RE: [PRR] New PRR "Lines West" signal bridge. MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Gary..... It's a VERY good year to be a PRR modeler! Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: PRR-talk From: Jerry @ Pennsy Subject: [PRR] BLI J1 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:03:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Although I have not yet received my dealer shipment yet, the BLI web site indicates the J1 is now shipping. Should be real soon no matter where you ordered. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Ted Andrews" Subject: Re: [PRR] New PRR "Lines West" signal bridge. Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:46:28 -0500 RE: [PRR] New PRR "Lines West" signal bridge.Elden and the List: LOL LOL!!!! Yes.....the phrase "ITS INDESCRIBABLY BEAUTIFUL!!!" is from = THAT movie. I did that on purpose. I could hear Darren McGavin say that = phase as I looked at the Oregon Rail Supply pics. I was going to mention = the 1-legged lamp too but I thought that no one would get it.=20 ....FRRAA---GEEELEH.........Must be Italian =20 Ted Carmel, Indiana (which is not to far away from Hulman City and Higbees = Department Store) P.S.: FORGET about the Red Rider BeeBee Gun, I want a Lines West Signal = Bridge for Christmas!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0832_01C44CD0.818C9880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: [PRR] New PRR "Lines West" signal bridge.
Elden and the List:
 
LOL LOL!!!! Yes.....the phrase "ITS INDESCRIBABLY BEAUTIFUL!!!" is from THAT movie.  I did that on = purpose.=20 I could hear Darren McGavin say that phase as I looked at = the Oregon=20 Rail Supply pics. I was going to mention the 1-legged lamp too but I = thought=20 that no one would get it.
 
.....FRRAA---GEEELEH.........Must be Italian 
 
 
Ted
Carmel, Indiana (which is not to far away from Hulman City and = Higbees=20 Department Store)
 
P.S.: FORGET about the Red Rider BeeBee Gun, I want a Lines West = Signal=20 Bridge for Christmas!!!
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0832_01C44CD0.818C9880-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Al Buchan" Subject: RE: [PRR] New PRR "Lines West" signal bridge. Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:33:41 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9794-40C4FD65-5157@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Re: It would nice to see a scale PRR dwarf signal produced in HO. Wishful thinking.... A PRR dwarf signal is in the near future see the review of the Free State Systems HO dwarf on page 9 of the PDF edition of the April 2004 TKM. Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Rwo1361@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:20:22 EDT Subject: [PRR] PRR] New PRR "Lines West" signal bridge I brought several dwarf signal from Integrated Signal Systems a few years ago. They are a great signal, scaled down to the last inch. They can signal 4 different aspects and are brass constructed. The original owner, I think, does not run the company now, but was pick up by someone else that lives in the Rochester, NY area. I just check their web page but can't tell if they still have the dwarf signals. Roger -------------------------------1086661222 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
I brought several dwarf si= gnal from Integrated Signal Systems a few years ago. They are a great signal= , scaled down to the last inch.  They can signal 4 different aspec= ts and are brass constructed.  The original owner, I think, does not ru= n the company now, but was pick up by someone else that lives in the Rochest= er, NY area.  I just check their web page but can't tell if they still=20= have the dwarf signals.
 
Roger
<= /HTML> -------------------------------1086661222-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Rwo1361@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:20:22 EDT Subject: [PRR] PRR] New PRR "Lines West" signal bridge I brought several dwarf signal from Integrated Signal Systems a few years ago. They are a great signal, scaled down to the last inch. They can signal 4 different aspects and are brass constructed. The original owner, I think, does not run the company now, but was pick up by someone else that lives in the Rochester, NY area. I just check their web page but can't tell if they still have the dwarf signals. Roger -------------------------------1086661222 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
I brought several dwarf si= gnal from Integrated Signal Systems a few years ago. They are a great signal= , scaled down to the last inch.  They can signal 4 different aspec= ts and are brass constructed.  The original owner, I think, does not ru= n the company now, but was pick up by someone else that lives in the Rochest= er, NY area.  I just check their web page but can't tell if they still=20= have the dwarf signals.
 
Roger
<= /HTML> -------------------------------1086661222-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: John Frantz Subject: Re: [PRR] Con-Cor E7 shells Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:07:18 -0400 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Hank, I think a Hobbytown frame should fit. If you have DCC they=20 now include a can motor in all of thier kits. They are=20 under the alias of Bear Locomotive Company now.=20 http://bearlocomo.zoovy.com/ Theres nothing like=20 all-american made brute tree-stump pulling power . Hope this helps. -John Designer, Modeler, Consultant Mount Vernon Shops Baltimore, MD Specializing in HO & N scale for the Pennsy modeler. hanel29@att.net wrote: I have a number of new Con-Cor E7 shells. I would like to=20 build them into operating locomotives. Unfortunatley, I=20 don't know which chassis/motor units will fit these=20 shells. Can anyone help/direct me? Thank you, - Hank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: KEMACPRR@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:40:40 EDT Subject: [PRR] new IM/BCW B-60 correction I was talking with John Greene of BCW tonight and asked about the upcoming B-60's. They are the old BCW plastic kit with plastic sides and CapeLine trucks. BCW now owns the Cape Line truck line . They are NOT equipped woth brass sides as I stated earlier. --------------------------------Ken McCorry --part1_7e.504a9cbf.2df69d48_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" I was talking= with John Greene of BCW tonight and asked about the upcoming B-60's. They a= re the old BCW plastic kit with plastic sides and CapeLine trucks. BCW now o= wns the Cape Line truck line .  They are NOT equipped woth brass sides=20= as I stated earlier. --------------------------------Ken McCorry --part1_7e.504a9cbf.2df69d48_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: MLiebeskin@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:45:12 EDT Subject: [PRR] Re: PRR-Talk Digest - 06/07/04;Re: Oregon Rail Supply Fellas, Please pardon my possibly dumb question. Are the ORS kits to whivh you are referring made of plastic; the website suggests that they are. any info is greatly appreciated. John Liebeskind -------------------------------1086705912 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
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any info is greatly appreciated.
John Liebeskind
 -------------------------------1086705912-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: MLiebeskin@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:45:12 EDT Subject: [PRR] Re: PRR-Talk Digest - 06/07/04;Re: Oregon Rail Supply Fellas, Please pardon my possibly dumb question. Are the ORS kits to whivh you are referring made of plastic; the website suggests that they are. any info is greatly appreciated. John Liebeskind -------------------------------1086705912 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Fellas,
Please pardon my possibly dumb question. Are the ORS kits to whivh you=20= are=20 referring made of plastic; the website suggests that they are.
any info is greatly appreciated.
John Liebeskind
 -------------------------------1086705912-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Andy Miller" Subject: RE: [PRR] Con-Cor E7 shells Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:35:08 -0400 I successfully put a Hobbytown drive in mine. =20 regards, =20 Andy Miller -----Original Message----- From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com] On Behalf Of hanel29@att.net Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:12 PM To: PRRTHS Subject: [PRR] Con-Cor E7 shells I have a number of new Con-Cor E7 shells. I would like to build them = into operating locomotives. Unfortunatley, I don't know which chassis/motor = units will fit these shells. Can anyone help/direct me? Thank you, - Hank=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C44D4C.A6A68280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Message
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I have a = number=20 of new Con-Cor E7 shells. I would like to build them into operating=20 locomotives. Unfortunatley, I don't know which chassis/motor units = will fit=20 these shells. Can anyone help/direct me? Thank you, - Hank
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C44D4C.A6A68280-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: LAMAassoc@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:56:52 EDT Subject: [PRR] Preliminary Report on Model Train Decsion X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: This just off the AP ticker. Assume there will be lenghtier reports available. (URL = http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBDDGXE8VD.html) "Federal Jury Orders Model Train Maker Lionel and Others to Pay Rival $40 Million The Associated Press Published: Jun 8, 2004 DETROIT (AP) - A federal jury has ordered model train maker Lionel LLC and others to pay $40.8 million to a rival for misappropriating its train designs. Lionel, based in suburban Chesterfield, said it will appeal. Mike's Train House of Columbia, Md., sued in 2000, saying Lionel sold trains made from designs stolen from a South Korean manufacturer hired by Mike's. The jury found on Monday that Lionel, along with supplier Korea Brass Co. and an individual, made millions on the designs. --- On the Net: Lionel LLC: http://www.lionel.com Mike's Train House Inc.: http://www.mth-railking.com AP-ES-06-08-04 1535EDT ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "PennsyNut" Subject: Re: [PRR] Preliminary Report on Model Train Decsion Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:20:58 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2004 23:20:02.0825 (UTC) FILETIME=[20361F90:01C44DAF] Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Duh! Who's this Mike's Train House in Columbia MD? Or who does he think he is? Or is his claim legitimate? Anyone have some better info? Will this have any bearing on the UP lawsuit? Morgan Bilbo Ferroequinologist, Proud SPF PRRTHS #1204 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, 08 June, 2004 2:56 PM Subject: [PRR] Preliminary Report on Model Train Decsion > This just off the AP ticker. Assume there will be lenghtier reports > available. (URL = http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBDDGXE8VD.html) > > "Federal Jury Orders Model Train Maker Lionel and Others to Pay Rival $40 > Million > The Associated Press > Published: Jun 8, 2004 > > DETROIT (AP) - A federal jury has ordered model train maker Lionel LLC and > others to pay $40.8 million to a rival for misappropriating its train designs. > > Lionel, based in suburban Chesterfield, said it will appeal. > > Mike's Train House of Columbia, Md., sued in 2000, saying Lionel sold trains > made from designs stolen from a South Korean manufacturer hired by Mike's. > > The jury found on Monday that Lionel, along with supplier Korea Brass Co. and > an individual, made millions on the designs. > > --- > On the Net: > Lionel LLC: http://www.lionel.com > Mike's Train House Inc.: http://www.mth-railking.com > AP-ES-06-08-04 1535EDT > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.700 / Virus Database: 457 - Release Date: 06/06/2004 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:45:16 -0400 From: Jeff Warner Subject: Re: [PRR] Preliminary Report on Model Train Decsion Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Morgan/all: Mike's Train House (owned by Mike Wolf) is one of the two largest manufacturers of o scale/027 equipment (with Lionel)... This lawsuit had to do with Lionel stealing and using MTH designs for their locomotives. It has NOTHING to do with the UP issue and NOTHING to do with the QSI issue(s) -- including the chuff/back-emf on DCC issue... From what I understand (and I am NOT a lawyer), this lawsuit was legitimate and turned out the way most (except Lionel) expected. More info can be found at: http://www.caboosehobbies.com/database/miscnews.htm Jeff Warner PennsyNut wrote: >Duh! Who's this Mike's Train House in Columbia MD? Or who does he think he >is? Or is his claim legitimate? Anyone have some better info? Will this >have any bearing on the UP lawsuit? > >Morgan Bilbo >Ferroequinologist, Proud SPF >PRRTHS #1204 > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: b.hom@att.net Subject: Re: [PRR] Preliminary Report on Model Train Decsion Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:48:07 +0000 Morgan Bilbo asked: Duh! Who's this Mike's Train House in Columbia MD? Or who does he think he is? Or is his claim legitimate? Anyone have some better info? Will this have any bearing on the UP lawsuit? They're better known as MTH Electric Trains, and they've offered a slew of O Scale products since 1992, including some very nice PRR pieces: http://www.mth-railking.com/index.asp This decision won't have any bearing on the UP lawsuit, as the MTH-Lionel case is over electronics and sound systems that MTH considered proprietary. However, this has had an effect on BLI, as they state on their home page regarding the threat of litigation by MTH: http://www.broadway-limited.com/ I'll leave it to the O scalers to debate the merits of MTH's claims. Ben Hom --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10045_1086738487_0 Content-Type: text/html

Morgan Bilbo asked:

Duh! Who's this Mike's Train House in Columbia MD? Or who does he think he
is? Or is his claim legitimate? Anyone have some better info? Will this
have any bearing on the UP lawsuit? 

 

They're better known as MTH Electric Trains, and they've offered a slew of O Scale products since 1992, including some very nice PRR pieces:

http://www.mth-railking.com/index.asp

 

This decision won't have any bearing on the UP lawsuit, as the MTH-Lionel case is over electronics and sound systems that MTH considered proprietary.  However, this has had an effect on BLI, as they state on their home page regarding the threat of litigation by MTH:

http://www.broadway-limited.com/ 

 

I'll leave it to the O scalers to debate the merits of MTH's claims.

 

 

Ben Hom

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10045_1086738487_0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:54:53 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "sjlash" Subject: Re: [PRR] Preliminary Report on Model Train Decsion Morgan, According to the information from my friends in theTCA (train collectors of America), Mike used to work for Lionel. They tell me when Lionel shipped their work overseas, he helped set up the contacts in Kor= ea. His contract or whatever expired with Lionel, and he took his ideas out = on his own. Lionel and Kughn had let the rights to most of their product li= ne expire, and he moved in. He also began producing items and accessories Kughn did not want to be bothered with. He also developed for his new product line, RailKing, a deal for Quantum sound for his locomotives, bot= h steam and diesel. =0D After Kughn sold to the current owners, I guess they felt the old l= ine still belonged to them. The courts didn't agree as you can see from toda= y's news.=0D Mandatory Pennsy content, it was Mike's idea while still with Kughn = and Lionel to run the reproduction of the post war "baby" S2. Jim=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_H3L0G6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1"