Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 02:26:30 +1100 From: "Mick Molloy" Subject: [PRR] [OT] New Year greetz From: "Fred Rea" Subject: [PRR] BLI T1s inOhio too Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 01:22:52 -0500 I got a call from Hobbyland here in Reynoldsburg Ohio that mine had = arrived before noon today, Dec 31. My layout is littered with tools etc = right now so the T1's test run is a day or two away. But, it sure looks = great and feels pretty heavy. Fred Rea ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C3D005.C6D02710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I got a call from Hobbyland here in Reynoldsburg = Ohio that=20 mine had arrived before noon today, Dec 31.  My layout is littered = with=20 tools etc right now so the T1's test run is a day or two away.  = But, it=20 sure looks great and feels pretty heavy.
 
Fred Rea
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For a few months I have read references = to Cocoa=20 Beach .Could someone please enlighten me as to the particulars of = this=20 event ??
regards
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Sent: Thursday, January 01, = 2004 10:02=20 PM
Subject: [PRR] Cocoa = Beach

For a few months I have read = references to Cocoa=20 Beach .Could someone please enlighten me as to the particulars of = this=20 event ??
regards
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Subject: Re: [PRR] Alco PB's From: "Jerry Britton" <jerry@pennsyrr.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:20:59 -0500

On Wednesday, December 31, 2003, at 03:14  PM, Al Buchan wrote:

> Check out info on LL PA and PB units in January's TKM, due out on
> 01-02-04.
>
Slavedrivers! The Society prez has the staff working over the
holidays!!!


So?  The print Keystone staff worked over the holidays -- Chuck Blardon= e is hard at work putting the finishing touches on the Spring issue with the= printer.  (I got copied for the messages).  If a lot of people (i= ncluding Chuck and Al) didn't drive us and themselves hard, the Society woul= d be mediocre.  And that's just not gonna happen!

Sincere thanks to all of you laboring in our behalf, and a Happy New Year to= all... (und zee you in Zinzinnati!)...

Rick Tipton - Louisville KY
Member, Pennsylvania Railroad Technical & Historical Society
Remembering the Pennsylvania Railroad and especially PRR Lines West <= /HTML> --part1_1dc.17ba4b74.2d2700b2_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 15:44:13 -0500 From: Rail Classics Subject: [PRR] Rail Classics Production Samples of N5c From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:09:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [PRR] Re: PC: Rail Classics Production Samples of N5c MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Hi Eddy, Took a look at your scans of the N5c. Excellent! I have been involved in the restoration of x-PRR N5c 477974 and I must say after looking at your model and remembering back on our work, you got the underframe down nicely. Just last weeks work session found us removing the last of the steel plate floor from the 477974. All that is seen now is the main center sill, the cross bearers, the angled bearers, appliances, etc. Yours looks really really close! I can't see your center sill very good but it does look correct. Inspecting our center sill last week we seen this was constructed of many pieces. Not just 2 U Channels running the length as originally thought. It is constructed of Angles and Flat Steel all rivited together to form the long Channels.. In HO Scale this would mean very little. But anyway, just wanted to pat you on the back for the details you are building into this model....Gary Come visit my PRR Pages: Photos, Models, Historical Items and Art Work! PRR K4s Loco Pics: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/ PRR G5s, T1, J1 J1a, M1, M1a, N1s, etc. etc.: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html and...... PRR Pics, P&LE Pics, PRR Memorabilia and Misc. Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Message-Id: <99F524D2-3D7C-11D8-83BF-000A9570A806@pennsyrr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: PRR-talk From: Jerry @ Pennsy Subject: [PRR] BLI Update Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 18:37:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: T1's arrived today. Wow! Loco weights a ton. Color looks good, but have not yet compared with a drift card. Perhaps later tonight. Connection between loco and tender is among the easiest I have worked with. Sound test on test track good. Running smooth. Will not have chance to run on "real world" track for about a week, but I imagine by then we will hear from an end user who has already put the loco to work. A few days ago I mentioned the new announcement of E7A (single) units, but with road numbers duplicating those in the AB sets. I called BLI on it and requested different A numbers. I received a FAX today confirming that change. So FOUR A-B-A lashup possibilies are now possible. The E7's are due in February. Here is the current lineup: Brunswick Green (their choice of name): 5846A - 5846B 5850A - 5850B 5847A 5851A Tuscan Red: 5840A - 5840B 5842A - 5842B 5841A 5843A M1a/M1b's still slated for late January / early February. NW2 and SW7's are due in late Spring. J1's are due later in 2004. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Ted Andrews" Subject: RE: [PRR] BLI Update Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 01:45:21 +0000 >From: Jerry @ Pennsy >Subject: [PRR] BLI Update >Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 18:37:17 -0500 From: "L. Heintz" Subject: [PRR] Watkins Glen - Himrod (Elmira Br) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 22:54:15 -0500 The elevation difference between Watkins Glen and=20 the Starkey wye is 375' for the twelve track miles. This figures to about .06 of 1% overall. Starkey is about 3.5 miles south of Himrod.Himrod sits in a=20 pocket and the line starts climbing again with another pocket at PennYan,finally reaching the summit at Stanley,91' above Starkey. Looking at my track map('56) I find Stanley is only 2 feet higher than Horseheads.Would not have believed it. >From Sodus Point to Stanley ,34 miles,the line climbs south 516' ,with 10 sections of track that climb between .9 - 1.4 %. In the 18 miles from Watkins Glen to Horseheads the line climbs 98% of the difference in only 9 miles. The chart shows it all between .79 and 1.25 % with the exception of two very short,almost flat sections. I would think that they pushed both ways from the Watkins Glen wye. Single track and about 9 pass. sidings, coal,empties, wayfreights,passenger service,to bad I wasn't born sooner ! LAH =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3D183.58BE66E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
The elevation difference between = Watkins Glen and=20
the Starkey wye is 375' for the twelve = track=20 miles.
This figures to about .06 of 1% = overall. Starkey=20 is
about 3.5 miles south of Himrod.Himrod = sits in a=20
pocket and the line starts climbing again with
another pocket at PennYan,finally = reaching=20 the
summit at=20 Stanley,91' above Starkey.
Looking at my track = map('56) I find Stanley is only
2 feet higher than Horseheads.Would not = have
believed it.
From Sodus Point to Stanley ,34 = miles,the=20 line
climbs south 516' ,with 10 = sections of track=20 that
climb between .9 - 1.4 = %. In the 18 miles from
Watkins Glen to Horseheads the = line climbs=20 98%
of the difference in only 9 miles. The = chart=20 shows
it all between .79 and 1.25 % with the=20 exception
of two very short,almost flat=20 sections.
 
I would think that they pushed = both ways from=20 the
Watkins Glen wye. Single track and = about 9=20 pass.
sidings, coal,empties,=20 wayfreights,passenger
service,to bad I wasn't born sooner = !
 
LAH   
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climbs south 516' ,with 10 sections of track that
climb between .9 - 1.4 %. In the 18 miles from
Watkins Glen to Horseheads the line climbs 98%
of the difference in only 9 miles. The chart shows
it all between .79 and 1.25 % with the exception
of two very short,almost flat sections.


Thanks for the information. Visually it looked much steeper than this. There= 's a highway crossing about 10 miles out of Watkins where the elevation real= ly shows up compared to the lake. I imagine Watkins Glen would have been a s= moky place in the steam daze. Todd
 --part1_19c.1eb9848a.2d2818b4_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 08:02:09 -0700 From: "Dave Mittner" Subject: [PRR] Name The Painting..2 days left From: "Bill Lane" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 06:40:40 -0500 Subject: [PRR-FAX] F30a photo Hi all, Here is your last chance to download an F30a Builders photo under construction. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/F30a.jpg Dial up users beware! It IS chunky! I am removing the photo from the link tomorrow. Thanks Bill "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PRR/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Message-Id: <3632072C-3E02-11D8-834F-000A9570A806@pennsyrr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: PRR-talk From: Jerry @ Pennsy Subject: [PRR] More BLI T1 Notes Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:33:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: I managed to muck up the programming on my T1 last night. If you have an advanced throttle -- such as the Digitrax DT400 series -- there are functions 9-12 that aren't directly supported on regular throttles. I was playing with these, and I think I might have preceded one by depressing a key other than FUNC and sent things amiss. After that, it no longer responded to address 3. I tried programming it, but it failed. Programming three CV's to reset its factory state appeared to work, but yielded no end results. The manual indicates a jumper in the tender. You remove power, remove the jumper, power up, power down, add the jumper, power up and you are back to a factory condition. Worked perfectly. Don't know what I did, but this recovery worked fine. Only hard part was figuring how to get the tender open. The manual says "no screws; snap fit", which is correct, but there is no hint as to where the snap-fit locations are that you need to release. Took a few minutes to figure out. All is well now. As to color... against a DGLE drift card the loco is definitely a little more green than the card under florescent light. In my opinion, however, it is a good color and definitely not "too green" as was reported with the GG1's. I think it compares well with recent releases from Atlas and Life Like. There are some tweaks that can be done with the sound, which I have yet to experiment yet. Coupler "clank" is included, which is pretty cool, and when you release you can hear the brake line release. Nice! ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Reed Kosmal" Subject: Re: [PRR] Name the Painting Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:36:25 -0500 Holiday Bound ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Mittner=20 To: PRR-Talk@dsop.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 8:08 PM Subject: [PRR] Name the Painting List, I am seeking the help of those knowledgeable and creative minds = subscribing to PRR-talk in an effort to come up with a title for my = latest artwork. I have just finished a 24" by 30" acrylic painting = depicting a T1 bursting through a snow drift. The scene is set = somewhere on the mainline in either Illinois or Indiana with engine = #5514 still in it's original 1946 design. Here is a link that will show = you a pretty decent representation of the painting. CLICK HERE What I would like everyone to do is submit what they feel would be = a good title for this painting. If enough responses are received, I = will choose what I feel are the top five candidates and then have the = entire list vote for the winning entry. The person that submitted this = winning entry will receive a signed print of this painting when they = become available, probably the end of January. After contacting Jerry Britton and getting his blessing for this = endeavor, he became the first participant. The first candidate will be = "Northern Express" submitted by Jerry himself. I will accept your = submissions until the evening of Sunday, January 4th, 2004. You can = contact me personally, off the list, or via PRR-talk. Besides this = lists members, only two other people will have seen this painting. You = will not find it on my web site, so you will need to use the above link = to view the painting. I will periodically re-post details of this contest and any = current submissions throughout this week to insure as many list members = as possible can participate. Thanks for participating and good luck! Sincerely, David B Mittner Dave's Railroad Art Gallery ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3D1E5.6FE17B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Holiday Bound
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave = Mittner=20
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 = 8:08=20 PM
Subject: [PRR] Name the = Painting

List,
    I am seeking the = help of those=20 knowledgeable and creative minds subscribing to PRR-talk in an effort = to come=20 up with a title for my latest artwork.  I have just finished = a 24"=20 by 30" acrylic painting depicting a T1 bursting through a = snow=20 drift.  The scene is set somewhere on the mainline in = either=20 Illinois or Indiana with engine #5514 still in it's original 1946=20 design.  Here is a link that will show you a pretty decent = representation=20 of the painting.  CLICK = HERE
    What I would like = everyone to=20 do is submit what they feel would be a good title for this=20 painting.  If enough responses are received, I will choose what I = feel=20 are the top five candidates and then have the entire list vote for the = winning=20 entry.  The person that submitted this winning entry will receive = a=20 signed print of this painting when they become available, probably the = end of=20 January.
    After contacting = Jerry Britton=20 and getting his blessing for this endeavor, he became the first = participant.=20 The first candidate will be "Northern Express" submitted by Jerry=20 himself.  I will accept your submissions until the evening of = Sunday,=20 January 4th, 2004.  You can contact me personally, off the=20 list, or via PRR-talk.  Besides this lists members, only two = other=20 people will have seen this painting.  You will not find it on my = web=20 site, so you will need to use the above link to view the=20 painting.
    I will = periodically re-post=20 details of this contest and any current submissions throughout = this week=20 to insure as many list members as possible can = participate.
 
Thanks for participating and good=20 luck!
 
Sincerely, David B = Mittner
 
Dave's = Railroad Art=20 Gallery
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Message: 5
   Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 00:59:18 -0500
   From: "Brian J Carlson" <brian@net.bluemoon.net>
Subject: PRRin Metcalf ILL

I'm looking for some information for a friend on the Pennsy crossing of the<= BR> NKP in Metcalf ILL near Peoria.  I can't even find this location in my=20= 1945
CT1000 or in the later 1964 list of reportable locations.  Any help wou= ld be
greatly appreciated.

Brian J Carlson
Cheektowaga NY


The only Metcalf I can find is in eastern Illinois not far from Terre Haute=20= but not on the PRR.  In fact, it's where the NKP/Clover Leaf crosses a=20= B&O line -- this is in the NKP territory modeled by Tony Koester. =20= Metcalf is between Cayuga IN (Tony's home town) and Oakland IL (crossing of=20= the Peoria Branch).

           &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;    Rick Tipton - Louisville KY
            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;   Planning a new Panhandle Route in HO
(Pennsylvania RR Buckeye Div. 1966-1968)
            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;   And Remembering PRR Lines West
--part1_1cc.170ea006.2d283e1c_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Subject: RE: [PRR] Re: [PRR-Modeling] Input on "Prototype Modeling" Meets Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:11:20 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PRR] Re: [PRR-Modeling] Input on "Prototype Modeling" Meets Thread-Index: AcPPGJMpBUSS1pnDR82SjquujYW0MgCdqL4g From: "Cadwell, Marvin L" To: , , , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2004 18:11:22.0928 (UTC) FILETIME=[FEA35B00:01C3D224] Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Another nice feature at the Naperville Meet: Presentations are given = two or three times during the meet, so that if you miss it at one time, = you can attend at another.=20 -----Original Message----- From: TGREGMRTN@aol.com [mailto:TGREGMRTN@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 2:41 PM To: PRR-Modeling@yahoogroups.com; prr-talk@dsop.com; STMFC@yahoogroups.com; prrths_modeling_committee@yahoogroups.com Subject: [PRR] Re: [PRR-Modeling] Input on "Prototype Modeling" Meets ELDEN.GATWOOD@ttisg.com writes: > Hi all; > I hope you had, and are having a great holiday period! >=20 > I was hoping that some of you that have attended modeling meets in the = past > might tell me the features of each that you have enjoyed the most. I = am > sure that some of them have events, presentations, awards, and other = aspects > that you thought were particularly well done, and I would very much = like to > hear what you think. Elden, First, I can tell you what does work, I think that is the most = positive way to look at it. 1)Good Prior Planning (DUH!) 2)Good Scheduling of Seminars, with =BD hour between the next. Very = Important for those who do go over... (I think this would make Clark = happy, too)=20 3)Friday, Saturday meets, Sundays only eliminate those who must travel = some distance. 4)A good mix of Modeling Techniques and Prototype.=20 5)Invitation only vendors, swap meets don't work for me at least... 6)Good advance Marketing. 7)Good Fellowship, such as a dinner, or luncheon where most can gather = and share. 8)CHECK THE Egos AT THE DOOR.=20 > I could also use any thoughts as to what doesn't work, what has caused = problems, and what to avoid. A) Avoid scheduling conflicts, at least locally.=20 B) Starting your event too early on Friday leaves some local folks out. C) Avoid Prototype distractions, some may disagree, but your event = should be the attraction.=20 D)CHECK Egos at the door... Did I say that?=20 =20 > Thanks very much for your feedback! >=20 > Elden Gatwood Hope this helps Elden... Greg Martin=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: PRR-talk From: Jerry @ Pennsy Subject: [PRR] InterMountain January Releases Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 18:51:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: PSA... Noteworthy releases from InterMountain in January include: HO Scale: PRR P85b coaches in the later Keystone scheme (Centralia Car Shops) Jersey Central PBm coaches (Bethlehem Car Works) N Scale: WFE (large goat) wood reefers ATSF "___ VALLEY" PS 6-6-4 sleepers (Centralia Car Shops) ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "John Peters" Subject: Re: [PRR] Name The Painting..2 days left Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 18:55:18 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Well someone said this train is inbound to Chicago so I would like to add "Windy City arrival"....................boomer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mittner" To: Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 10:02 AM Subject: [PRR] Name The Painting..2 days left > List, > There are currently 71 title submissions for the "Name the Painting" > contest. They are all listed below in alphabetical order. New suggestions > will continue to be accepted until Sunday night at midnight, AZ time. The > top 5 which I feel represents the painting the best will then be posted > sometime on Monday. Voting by the list will then begin and last until > Wednesday, midnight to determine the winner. > > There is still time to submit that "perfect" title and a chance to win > an > artist signed print of this painting. The job of selecting only 5 finalists > is hard enough, but com'n and make it harder by submitting some more great > suggestions. Once again, here is the link to view the painting that someone > on this list will name: http://www.users.qwest.net/~mittner/T1.jpg > > Thanks and keep up the good work, > > David B Mittner > PRRT&H member #6699 > Dave's Railroad Art Gallery : > http://www.users.qwest.net/~mittner/davesart.html > > > > "A HOT KNIFE THROUGH BUTTER" > > "A KEYSTONE WINTER" > > "...AND WITH A BONE IN HER TEETH" > > "A T1'S WINTER BLAST" > > "A WESTERN WINTER DAY" > > "ALMOST HOME" > > "ALWAYS MOVING" > > "BLUE RIBBON BREAKTHROUGH" > > "BUSTIN' THROUGH" > > "CHRISTMAS RUSH" > > "CINDERS, STEAM AND SNOW" > > "CONQUEST" > > "DASHING DUPLEX" > > "DASHING THROUGH THE SNOW" > > "DAWN BREAKER" > > "EASTERN THOROUGHBRED" > > "ELEMENTS" > > "HEADING HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS" > > "I'LL BE HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS" > > "INDIANA SNOW DRIFT" > > "JUST ANOTHER PENNSY DAY" > > "LAKE EFFECT" > > "LAND LINERS" > > "LAND SHARK" > > "LINES WEST CLASS" > > "MASTER OF THE ELEMENTS" > > "MASTERING THE ELEMENTS" > > "MAXIMUM EFFORT" > > "NEITHER SNOW NOR RAIN..." > > "NEVER IN DOUBT" > > "NOR SLEET, NOR SNOW" > > "NORTHERN EXPRESS" > > "ON SCHEDULE" > > "ON THE ADVERTISED" > > "ON TIME- EVERY TIME" > > "PENNSY IRON AND ICE" > > "PENNSY STEAM AT IT'S FINEST" > > "PERFECT PENNSY POWER" > > "PLOWING DOWN THE BROAD WAY" > > "PLOWING PAST" > > "PLOWING THE GREAT WHITE WAY" > > "POPPET, FRESH SNOW" > > "PORTHOLE PLOW" > > "POWER AND RESOLVE" > > "POWER ON DEMAND" > > "ROSEBUD" > > "RUNNING FOR HOME" > > "SNOW AT SPEED" > > "SNOW FIGHTING, PENNSY STYLE" > > "SNOW KING" > > "SNOW SHARK" > > "SNOW, STEEL AND SMOKE- AGAINST THE ODDS" > > "STILL ON TIME" > > "STREAMLINED SNOW" > > "STUDY IN STEAM AND SNOW" > > "T1 DUPLEX vs. OLD MAN WINTER...A TIMETABLE IN THE BALANCE" > > "T1 DUPLEX vs. OLD MAN WINTER...A TIMETABLE ON THE LINE" > > "TEMPTING FATE" > > "THE BRUNSWICK BULLET" > > "THE MAIL WILL GET THROUGH" > > "THE SILVER BULLET" > > "THE SNOW STORM" > > "THROUGH THE MORNING SNOW" > > "THUNDER AND STEEL" > > "TRAIL BLAZER" > > "WE'LL MAKE NEW YORK ON TIME" > > "WINDY CITY DEPARTURE" > > "WINTER ARROW" > > "WINTER DREAMS" > > "WINTER FUN" > > "WINTER THUNDER" > > If there are any submissions I may have left out, please let me know. > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bob Zoeller" Subject: Re: [PRR] More BLI T1 Notes Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 18:19:15 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: I'm getting antsy waiting for our distributor shipment next week. Questions: 1. How difficult is it to change out the drivers for the flanged versions? 2. I believe Evan on the list mentioned trying that on one version. Anyone got an idea what minimum radius is with the flanged drivers? I think they quote 22 inch on the unflanged ones. 3. I can only compare others' BLI locos as I haven't had a chance to play with one myself, but their sound doesn't sound as good as my Soundtraxx in my Bowser M1. That may be their limited knowledge of how to tweak their new toy. Anyone who has had a chance to play with the BLI care to comment? Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 11:24:44 +1100 From: "Mick Molloy" Subject: Re: [PRR] Name the Painting Cc: "PRR-Talk" From: Jerry @ Pennsy Subject: Re: [PRR] More BLI T1 Notes Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 19:52:57 -0500 To: "Bob Zoeller" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: On Jan 3, 2004, at 7:19 PM, Bob Zoeller wrote: > I'm getting antsy waiting for our distributor shipment next week. > Questions: > 1. How difficult is it to change out the drivers for the flanged > versions? I've not changed mine yet, but it looks fairly straightforward. A tool is included. > 2. I believe Evan on the list mentioned trying that on one version. > Anyone > got an idea what minimum radius is with the flanged drivers? I think > they > quote 22 inch on the unflanged ones. I'd bet 30" would be in order, but haven't tried yet. > 3. I can only compare others' BLI locos as I haven't had a chance to > play > with one myself, but their sound doesn't sound as good as my > Soundtraxx in > my Bowser M1. That may be their limited knowledge of how to tweak > their new > toy. I was pleased with the sound. It is much better than what was in the N&W Class A. However, the whistle needs tweaked and I haven't gotten to that yet. It comes programmed to work with all power forms but can be tweaked for more advanced systems. For example, if you try to do two shorts, it cuts off the first to play the second, rather than having the first subside with the second bursting over it. > ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Jean Gagne" Subject: [PRR] Middle Division Trach Chart Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 21:29:53 -0500 I am trying to find a track chart of the Middle Division circa 1955 in = electronic format. Since my finances are pretty tight, I would like a = free copy if possible. If anyone knows where I could find it, please let = me know. Thanks ! 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I am trying to find a track chart of = the Middle=20 Division circa 1955 in electronic format. Since my finances are pretty = tight, I=20 would like a free copy if possible. If anyone knows where I could find = it,=20 please let me know.
 
Thanks !
 
Johnny
 
 
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PRR-Listers:
 
In compiling the data from the Warsaw tower train sheets I have = uncovered a=20 different train symbol. On January 3, 1965, 39 years ago today, PX55 = preceded=20 train 55 past Warsaw tower. Train 55 is the westbound "Pennsylvania = Limited".=20 PX55 preceded 55 by 25 minutes. Would PX55 this be the first or second = section=20 of the Pennsylvania Limited? By 1965, would this train primarily be = head-end equipment?
 
The same thing happened with train 49, the = westbound General on=20 Jan. 4. But in that case, the PX49 followed train 49 by 1-1/2 = hours.
 
Any thoughts?
 
 
Ted Andrews
Carmel, Indiana 
------=_NextPart_000_04E3_01C3D24C.72A884E0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 00:17:13 EST Subject: [PRR] Centralia P85br coach seats Shortly after receiving these cars, I reported that none of the cars I got through Merchandise Service and the ones in stock at the local hobby shop had the curved seat strip problem. I took Andy's method of removing one side to paint and detail the interior of one car. Its seat strip was found attached to the floor and was glued back in after painting and populating. Last week I took another car out to be detail to find out its seats were now curved up at both ends. A check of the last five on the hobby shop's shelf also showed the curve even though they were straight when received. Apparently this is a fleet (tongue in cheek -- production run) problem. As Andy's method of removing a side is fairly easy, the curved seat condition is not a big problem. Hope the future release has had this problem corrected. Evan Leisey RCT&HS 346 PRRT&HS (Phila.) 2036 CNJ -------------------------------1073193433 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
  Shortly after receiving these cars, I reported that none of= the cars I got through Merchandise Service and the ones in stock at the loc= al hobby shop had the curved seat strip problem.  I took Andy's method=20= of removing one side to paint and detail the interior of one car.  Its=20= seat strip was found attached to the floor and was glued back in after paint= ing and populating.  Last week I took another car out to be detail to f= ind out its seats were now curved up at both ends.  A check of the last= five on the hobby shop's shelf also showed the curve even though they were=20= straight when received.  Apparently this is a fleet (tongue in cheek --= production run) problem.  As Andy's method of removing a side is fairl= y easy, the curved seat condition is not a big problem.
 
Hope the future release has had this problem corrected.

Evan Leisey
RCT&= ;HS 346
PRRT&HS (Phila.) 2036
CNJ
-------------------------------1073193433-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Subject: [PRR] re: South Charleston Station Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 11:47:28 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Hi There! I am interested in any information concerning the Columbus Division, South Charleston passenger station on the old C&X line. I know it was located on the North side of the main tracks and it sat just West of Church Street. I have track maps showing that between the DT&I diamonds and Church Street, there were only two 'switches' coming off the West bound main to the North. If that is the case, then the 'station' track, was just a short stub? Any information or photos of this area would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Gary Cost gcost@columbus.rr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: TGREGMRTN@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 13:44:49 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] More BLI T1 Notes Jerry writes... > As to color ... against a DGLE drift card the loco is definitely a little > more green than the card under florescent light. In my opinion, however, it is > a good color and definitely not "too green" as was reported with the GG1's. > I think it compares well with recent releases from Atlas and Life Like I just received notice that mine is in and will ship next week while I am away in Cocoa Beach... I will have the first test shot of the Athearn Genesis F3's with me. There are some corrections that need to be made but the color is a dead match for the originals. I go the Okay to show they regardless of the corrections, which are already in the making. I will compare the A/G to the T1 one and report back. The photos of the Life Like corrected color look very promising ... Now let's see what how BLI stands up... Greg Martin --part1_1c2.1395bb27.2d29b921_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Jerry writes...

As to color ... against a DGLE=20= drift card the loco is definitely a little more green than the card under fl= orescent light. In my opinion, however, it is a good color and definitely no= t "too green" as was reported with the GG1's. I think it compares well with=20= recent releases from Atlas and Life Like


I just received notice that mine is in and will ship next week while I am aw= ay in Cocoa Beach... I will have the first test shot of the Athearn Genesis=20= F3's with me.  There are some corrections that need to be made but the=20= color is a dead match for the originals.  I go the Okay to show they re= gardless of the corrections, which are already in the making.

I will compare the A/G to the T1 one and report back.  The photos of th= e Life Like corrected color look very promising ...

Now let's see what how BLI stands up...

Greg Martin --part1_1c2.1395bb27.2d29b921_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Ted Andrews" Subject: Re: [PRR] Passenger Extra question Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:30:27 -0500 Bill: In the case of Train 55, The Pennsylvania Limited, it was due at Warsaw = at 1:29pm. On January 3, 1965, Train PX55 departed Warsaw at 1:53pm = while Train 55 departed at 2:18pm.=20 On January 4, Train 49, The General, was due at Warsaw at 6:35am. Train = 49 departed Warsaw at 6:58am while Train PX49 departed on 7:31am.=20 As you can see, both trains are late. That may not be a surprise since = they are on the homestretch of a long trip. But I do concur with you = reasoning that PX55 was predominately mail while PX49 was a coach = section. 49 was the 2nd hottest passenger train on the Ft. Wayne. It = would not make sense for the Pennsy to make it in a mail train = especially when they had 2 dedicated mail trains already. (45 and 52) Ted Warsaw Tower tease of the day: Train FW-24 (Chicago-Ft. Wayne) on Jan 2, = was led by PRR 9722, a SHARK! In the first half of 1965, engines such as = these would appear primarily on locals in Warsaw. By the end of the = year, they were replaced by GP-9's.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: WAMMP236@aol.com=20 To: Ted_Andrews@msn.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [PRR] Passenger Extra question Hello, In the case of 55, my thought would be it would have been a = mail train. #55 hauled a Post Office car right up untill Amtrak NYP PGH = and was always a heavy mail and express hauler. In 49s case I would think that one section would have been an = all Pullman section and the other an all coach section. I would be interested in the times. The second section of #49 = would have to have left AFTER the scheduled departure time of the First = section as it carried passengers. In the case of #55 the first section = could have left ahead of the scheduled passenger departure since it = carried only mail and express. = Bill = ------=_NextPart_000_04CB_01C3D2CF.4C74EBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Bill:
 
In the case of Train 55, The Pennsylvania Limited, it was due at = Warsaw at=20 1:29pm. On January 3, 1965, Train PX55 departed Warsaw at 1:53pm while = Train 55=20 departed at 2:18pm.
 
On January 4, Train 49, The General, was due at Warsaw at 6:35am. = Train 49=20 departed Warsaw at 6:58am while Train PX49 departed on 7:31am.
 
As you can see, both trains are late. That may not be a surprise = since they=20 are on the homestretch of a long trip. But I do concur with you = reasoning that=20 PX55 was predominately mail while PX49 was a coach section. 49 was the = 2nd=20 hottest passenger train on the Ft. Wayne. It would not make sense for = the Pennsy=20 to make it in a mail train especially when they had 2 dedicated mail = trains=20 already. (45 and 52)
 
Ted
 
 
Warsaw Tower tease of the day: Train FW-24 (Chicago-Ft. Wayne) on = Jan 2,=20 was led by PRR 9722, a SHARK! In the first half of 1965, engines such as = these=20 would appear primarily on locals in Warsaw. By the end of the=20 year, they were replaced by GP-9's. 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: WAMMP236@aol.com
To: Ted_Andrews@msn.com
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 = 11:12=20 AM
Subject: Re: [PRR] Passenger = Extra=20 question

Hello,
       In the case of 55, my = thought would=20 be it would have been a mail train. #55 hauled a Post Office car right = up=20 untill Amtrak NYP PGH and was always a heavy mail and express = hauler.
        In 49s case I would = think that=20 one section would have been an all Pullman section and the other an = all coach=20 section.
        I would be interested = in the=20 times.  The second section of #49 would have to have left AFTER = the=20 scheduled departure time of the First section as it carried = passengers. =20 In the case of #55 the first section could have left ahead of the = scheduled=20 passenger departure since it carried only mail and express.
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------=_NextPart_000_04CB_01C3D2CF.4C74EBA0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Mark Taylor" Subject: RE: [PRR] Centralia P85br coach seats Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 14:43:54 -0500 >From: RDG2124@aol.com >Subject: [PRR] Centralia P85br coach seats >Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 00:17:13 EST Cc: prr-talk@dsop.com From: Jerry @ Pennsy Subject: Re: [PRR] More BLI T1 Notes Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:59:57 -0500 To: TGREGMRTN@aol.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: On Jan 4, 2004, at 1:44 PM, TGREGMRTN@aol.com wrote: > > I just received notice that mine is in and will ship next week while I=20= > am away in Cocoa Beach... I will have the first test shot of the=20 > Athearn Genesis F3's with me.=A0 There are some corrections that need = to=20 > be made but the color is a dead match for the originals.=A0 I go the=20= > Okay to show they regardless of the corrections, which are already in=20= > the making. > > I will compare the A/G to the T1 one and report back.=A0 The photos of=20= > the Life Like corrected color look very promising ... > > Now let's see what how BLI stands up... If the USPS cooperates, Bruce Smith will have his T1 at Cocoa Beach.=20 It's shipping out to him tomorrow. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:47:47 EST Subject: [PRR-FAX] Xenia and the Springfield Branch In a message dated 1/3/04 3:51:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, PennsyWest@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 11:16:23 -0800 > From: "Douglas Kirkpatrick" > Subject: Fallen Flags NetSite > > Jim, > > Thanks for the tip to this fascinating site. > > Did one of you guys write the summary about Xenia, OH? > (http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/prr/xenia.html) It hints/says that the Springfield branch of the > PRR actually continued north of Springfield at one time. Do any of you know > about that? > > Thanks. > > Doug Kirkpatrick > Medford, OR > I hadn't seen this before, and am unsure of its author. It wouldn't be either me nor Tom Vondruska. The overall site is owned by George Elwood. Some comments I'd offer: 1. Dayton Union Station is MP 16.0 from Xenia. Therefore the "15 miles apart" is a little off -- although probably accurate via highway. 2. We locals would have said "up Detroit Street", as the Springfield Branch climbed from Xenia's station to the trackage passing Greene County's courthouse. 3. PRR nee Little Miami's Springfield Branch never went north of Springfield. However, trains connected with those of the Mad River & Lake Erie (later Big Four and then NYC) to Sandusky, forming the first through route from Cincinnati to New York City circa 1847. Soon the Little Miami's affiliate Columbus & Xenia reached Columbus, with connections eastward, and most traffic went that way. 4. The interlocking where the B&O crossed the PRR Cincinnati main was just west of Xenia's station and interlocking, but was manned separately as "West Greene". 5. That "fairly good grade" eastward from Dayton was 1.6%, and had apparently been 2% before its last elevation project (involving an underpass at Linden Avenue). The upgrade continued to Clement Yard -- and necessitated either helpers or doubleheaded K4s. The westbound grade into Clement could and did also trap underpowered trains. The line through Beavercreek Township (between Clement and Xenia) did not carry heavy freight traffic, and so was never heavily rebuilt to reduce its grades. 6. The Springfield Branch was cut near Xenia circa 1966 due to a bridge problem. The whole Branch was superfluous with the Penn Central merger. 7. The Cincinnati line lost its signals in 1974; traffic shifted at that time to PRR Columbus-Xenia-Dayton-NYC Cincinnati or PRR Columbus-London-NYC Springfield-Dayton-Cincinnati. More on the PRR's Cincinnati Division in the upcoming Keystone -- guess who drew the short straw to write that article? Rick Tipton - Louisville KY Planning a new Panhandle Route in HO (Pennsylvania RR Buckeye Div. 1966-1968) And Remembering PRR Lines West [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PRR/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:47:43 EST Subject: [PRR-FAX] Some Cincinnati plans In a message dated 1/3/04 4:04:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 weiglin@sbcglobal.net writes: > Rick -- >=20 > I have been trying to get location information for the Cincinnati PRRT&HS= =20 > convention, and was told that the info would be out in early March. >=20 > That's relatively short notice. (I'd also like to mention it in the=20 > magazine.)=20 > Do you know at what hotel/facility the convention will be? >=20 > Peter Weiglin > San Mateo, CA > (Associate Editor, Mainline Modeler) Hi Peter, I see you're with us on the program. The Society has released the followin= g=20 (which can be found at=20 http://www.prrths.com/E%20News/PRR_e-News-Nov2003-N38.html): ***************************************************************************= *** ***************** 2004 Cincinnati Chairman Rick Bailey has provided KeN with the following=20 preliminary information about the 2004 annual meeting in Cincinnati (subjec= t to=20 change in final planning). Looks like a great program is coming together fo= r=20 this first ever, west of Pittsburgh event, mark this weekend on your calend= ar now=20 - Thursday April 29th =E2=80=93 Sunday May 2nd. =C2=B7 Programs Gib Youngblut Cincinnati Union=20 Terminal Al Westerfield XL Box Cars Rick Tipton PRR in Louisvill= e=20 or PRR in Dayton (I'm augmenting the Louisville one) Ron Widman PRR in Columbus James Hunter PRR in Indianapol= is Rich Berg Freight Cars Gary Shaffer Pittsburgh,=20 Youngstown and Ashtabula Mike Havron Colsan and Sandusk= y=20 Branch Bill Harvey and Gary Salzgaber Passenger Equipment Jack White Origins of PRR i= n=20 Cincinnati Jon Barker Lines West Woode= n=20 Structures Ted Andrews PRR in Warsaw India= na Peter Weiglin Pennsy Diesels Richard Wallace Rail facilities=20 around Terre Haute (1 =C2=BD hours) Elden Gatwood and Al Buchan Modeling Committee Forum Bob Johnson Annual Station and= =20 Archives Report =C2=B7 Banquet Speakers Dan Finfrock Railroads in=20 Cincinnati DonWood The Sandusky Branch =C2=B7 = =20=20=20=20 Railfan Tours o Rail Expo in Latonia Guided tours of the museum. Will try and have the PRR equipment set up=20 together.Date: Friday, April 30 Time: First run @ 9:30. Second @ 11:00 = =C2=B7=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Non-Rail Tours=20 Riverboat Cruise with Lunch and Aquarium Lunch on a B&B Riverboat, Tour=20 Aquarium, and sightsee Newport on the Levee and the riverfrontDate: Friday= , April=20 30 Time: 10:00 to 6:00=20 Lebanon, Ohio Lunch at the Golden Lamb and self-guided tour of antique=20 storesDate: Saturday May 1 Time: 9:30 =E2=80=93 1:30=C2=B7 = =20 Banquet Cincinnati Union Terminal =E2=80=93 Dinner and presentations Grif Teller Exhibition Cincinnati In Motion (historical museum exhibit with themed scale scenes) Tower A at CUT (Cincinnati Railroad Club's eagles' nest high above the rail= =20 yards in the Mill Creek Valley) ***************************************************************************= *** ***************** I know there's more plans than this now finalized. For example, our hotel= =20 will be the Best Western Springdale, which I stayed at as recently as last= =20 spring. I believe the negotiated price is $71, a good one for that part of= =20 northern Cincinnati. You should be able to get additional info from Rick B= ailey at=20 513-523-1034 or his email . Rick Tipton - Louisville KY Planning a new Panhandle Route in HO (Pennsylvania RR Buckeye Div. 1966-1968) And Remembering PRR Lines West=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remember= ing Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to =3D PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com=20 Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PRR/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/=20 !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:47:47 EST Subject: [PRR] Xenia and the Springfield Branch In a message dated 1/3/04 3:51:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, PennsyWest@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 11:16:23 -0800 > From: "Douglas Kirkpatrick" > Subject: Fallen Flags NetSite > > Jim, > > Thanks for the tip to this fascinating site. > > Did one of you guys write the summary about Xenia, OH? > (http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/prr/xenia.html) It hints/says that the Springfield branch of the > PRR actually continued north of Springfield at one time. Do any of you know > about that? > > Thanks. > > Doug Kirkpatrick > Medford, OR > I hadn't seen this before, and am unsure of its author. It wouldn't be either me nor Tom Vondruska. The overall site is owned by George Elwood. Some comments I'd offer: 1. Dayton Union Station is MP 16.0 from Xenia. Therefore the "15 miles apart" is a little off -- although probably accurate via highway. 2. We locals would have said "up Detroit Street", as the Springfield Branch climbed from Xenia's station to the trackage passing Greene County's courthouse. 3. PRR nee Little Miami's Springfield Branch never went north of Springfield. However, trains connected with those of the Mad River & Lake Erie (later Big Four and then NYC) to Sandusky, forming the first through route from Cincinnati to New York City circa 1847. Soon the Little Miami's affiliate Columbus & Xenia reached Columbus, with connections eastward, and most traffic went that way. 4. The interlocking where the B&O crossed the PRR Cincinnati main was just west of Xenia's station and interlocking, but was manned separately as "West Greene". 5. That "fairly good grade" eastward from Dayton was 1.6%, and had apparently been 2% before its last elevation project (involving an underpass at Linden Avenue). The upgrade continued to Clement Yard -- and necessitated either helpers or doubleheaded K4s. The westbound grade into Clement could and did also trap underpowered trains. The line through Beavercreek Township (between Clement and Xenia) did not carry heavy freight traffic, and so was never heavily rebuilt to reduce its grades. 6. The Springfield Branch was cut near Xenia circa 1966 due to a bridge problem. The whole Branch was superfluous with the Penn Central merger. 7. The Cincinnati line lost its signals in 1974; traffic shifted at that time to PRR Columbus-Xenia-Dayton-NYC Cincinnati or PRR Columbus-London-NYC Springfield-Dayton-Cincinnati. More on the PRR's Cincinnati Division in the upcoming Keystone -- guess who drew the short straw to write that article? Rick Tipton - Louisville KY Planning a new Panhandle Route in HO (Pennsylvania RR Buckeye Div. 1966-1968) And Remembering PRR Lines West --part1_129.38a93565.2d2a0e33_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 1/3/04 3:51:38 P= M Eastern Standard Time, PennsyWest@yahoogroups.com writes:


Message: 3
   Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 11:16:23 -0800
   From: "Douglas Kirkpatrick" <kirkpat@charter.net>
Subject: Fallen Flags NetSite

Jim,

Thanks for the tip to this fascinating site.

Did one of you guys write the summary about Xenia, OH? (http://www.rr-fallen= flags.org/prr/xenia.html) It hints/says that the Springfield branch of the P= RR actually continued north of Springfield at one time. Do any of you know a= bout that?

Thanks.

Doug Kirkpatrick
Medford, OR


I hadn't seen this before, and am unsure of its author.  It wouldn't be= either me nor Tom Vondruska.  The overall site is owned by George Elwo= od.

Some comments I'd offer:

1. Dayton Union Station is MP 16.0 from Xenia.  Therefore the "15 miles= apart" is a little off -- although probably accurate via highway.

2. We locals would have said "up Detroit Street", as the Springfield Branch=20= climbed from Xenia's station to the trackage passing Greene County's courtho= use.

3. PRR nee Little Miami's Springfield Branch never went north of Springfield= .  However, trains connected with those of the Mad River & Lake Eri= e (later Big Four and then NYC) to Sandusky, forming the first through route= from Cincinnati to New York City circa 1847.  Soon the Little Miami's=20= affiliate Columbus & Xenia reached Columbus, with connections eastward,=20= and most traffic went that way.

4. The interlocking where the B&O crossed the PRR Cincinnati main was ju= st west of Xenia's station and interlocking, but was manned separately as "W= est Greene".

5. That "fairly good grade" eastward from Dayton was 1.6%, and had apparentl= y been 2% before its last elevation project (involving an underpass at Linde= n Avenue).  The upgrade continued to Clement Yard -- and necessitated e= ither helpers or doubleheaded K4s.  The westbound grade into Clement co= uld and did also trap underpowered trains.  The line through Beavercree= k Township (between Clement and Xenia) did not carry heavy freight traffic,=20= and so was never heavily rebuilt to reduce its grades.

6.  The Springfield Branch was cut near Xenia circa 1966 due to a bridg= e problem.  The whole Branch was superfluous with the Penn Central merg= er.

7.  The Cincinnati line lost its signals in 1974; traffic shifted at th= at time to PRR Columbus-Xenia-Dayton-NYC Cincinnati or PRR Columbus-London-N= YC Springfield-Dayton-Cincinnati.  More on the PRR's Cincinnati Divisio= n in the upcoming Keystone -- guess who drew the short straw to write that a= rticle?

           &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;    Rick Tipton - Louisville KY
            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;   Planning a new Panhandle Route in HO
(Pennsylvania RR Buckeye Div. 1966-1968)
            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;   And Remembering PRR Lines West
--part1_129.38a93565.2d2a0e33_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:47:43 EST Subject: [PRR] Some Cincinnati plans Content-Language: en In a message dated 1/3/04 4:04:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 weiglin@sbcglobal.net writes: > Rick -- >=20 > I have been trying to get location information for the Cincinnati PRRT&HS=20 > convention, and was told that the info would be out in early March. >=20 > That's relatively short notice. (I'd also like to mention it in the=20 > magazine.)=20 > Do you know at what hotel/facility the convention will be? >=20 > Peter Weiglin > San Mateo, CA > (Associate Editor, Mainline Modeler) Hi Peter, I see you're with us on the program. The Society has released the following= =20 (which can be found at=20 http://www.prrths.com/E%20News/PRR_e-News-Nov2003-N38.html): ****************************************************************************= ** ***************** 2004 Cincinnati Chairman Rick Bailey has provided KeN with the following=20 preliminary information about the 2004 annual meeting in Cincinnati (subject= to=20 change in final planning). Looks like a great program is coming together for= =20 this first ever, west of Pittsburgh event, mark this weekend on your calenda= r now=20 - Thursday April 29th =E2=80=93 Sunday May 2nd. =C2=B7 Programs Gib Youngblut Cincinnati Union=20 Terminal Al Westerfield XL Box Cars Rick Tipton PRR in Louisville= =20 or PRR in Dayton (I'm augmenting the Louisville one) Ron Widman PRR in Columbus James Hunter PRR in Indianapoli= s Rich Berg Freight Cars Gary Shaffer Pittsburgh,=20 Youngstown and Ashtabula Mike Havron Colsan and Sandusky= =20 Branch Bill Harvey and Gary Salzgaber Passenger Equipment Jack White Origins of PRR in= =20 Cincinnati Jon Barker Lines West Wooden= =20 Structures Ted Andrews PRR in Warsaw Indian= a Peter Weiglin Pennsy Diesels Richard Wallace Rail facilities=20 around Terre Haute (1 =C2=BD hours) Elden Gatwood and Al Buchan Modeling Committee Forum Bob Johnson Annual Station and=20 Archives Report =C2=B7 Banquet Speakers Dan Finfrock Railroads in=20 Cincinnati DonWood The Sandusky Branch =C2=B7 =20= =20 Railfan Tours o Rail Expo in Latonia Guided tours of the museum. Will try and have the PRR equipment set up=20 together.Date: Friday, April 30 Time: First run @ 9:30. Second @ 11:00=20= =C2=B7 =20 Non-Rail Tours=20 Riverboat Cruise with Lunch and Aquarium Lunch on a B&B Riverboat, Tour=20 Aquarium, and sightsee Newport on the Levee and the riverfrontDate: Friday,= April=20 30 Time: 10:00 to 6:00=20 Lebanon, Ohio Lunch at the Golden Lamb and self-guided tour of antique=20 storesDate: Saturday May 1 Time: 9:30 =E2=80=93 1:30=C2=B7 =20 Banquet Cincinnati Union Terminal =E2=80=93 Dinner and presentations Grif Teller Exhibition Cincinnati In Motion (historical museum exhibit with themed scale scenes) Tower A at CUT (Cincinnati Railroad Club's eagles' nest high above the rail=20 yards in the Mill Creek Valley) ****************************************************************************= ** ***************** I know there's more plans than this now finalized. For example, our hotel=20 will be the Best Western Springdale, which I stayed at as recently as last=20 spring. I believe the negotiated price is $71, a good one for that part of=20 northern Cincinnati. You should be able to get additional info from Rick Ba= iley at=20 513-523-1034 or his email . Rick Tipton - Louisville KY Planning a new Panhandle Route in HO (Pennsylvania RR Buckeye Div. 1966-1968) And Remembering PRR Lines West=20 --part1_41.389dc9bf.2d2a0e2f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en In a message dated 1/3/04 4:04:19 P= M Eastern Standard Time, weiglin@sbcglobal.net writes:


Rick --

I have been trying to get location information for the Cincinnati PRRT&H= S
convention, and was told that the info would be out in early March.

That's relatively short notice.  (I'd also like to mention it in the ma= gazine.)
Do you know at what hotel/facility the convention will be?

Peter Weiglin
San Mateo, CA
(Associate Editor, Mainline Modeler)


Hi Peter,

I see you're with us on the program.  The Society has released the foll= owing (which can be found at http://www.prrths.com/E%20News/PRR_e-News-Nov20= 03-N38.html):

****************************************************************************= *******************

2004 Cincinnati Chairman Rick Bailey has provided KeN with the= following preliminary information about the 2004 annual meeting in Cincinna= ti (subject to change in final planning). Looks like a great program is comi= ng together for this first ever, west of Pittsburgh event, mark this weekend= on your calendar now - Thursday April 29th  =E2=80=93 Sunday May 2nd.<= /FONT>=

=C2=B7        Programs

Gib Youngblut       &= nbsp;            = ;            &nb= sp;           Cincinnati U= nion Terminal
Al Westerfield          &n= bsp;            =             &nbs= p;        XL Box Cars
Rick Tipton           = ;            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;           PRR in Lou= isville or PRR in Dayton (I'm augmenting the Louisville one)
Ron Widman           =             &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;         PRR in Columbus
James Hunter          &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            =           PRR in Indianapolis Rich Berg           &= nbsp;            = ;            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp; Freight Cars
Gary Shaffer          &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            =            Pittsburgh, You= ngstown and Ashtabula
Mike Havron           = ;            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;         Colsan and Sandusky Br= anch
Bill Harvey and Gary Salzgaber     Passenger Equipment Jack White           =             &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            Origi= ns of PRR in Cincinnati
Jon Barker           =             &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            Lines= West Wooden Structures
Ted Andrews           = ;            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;        PRR in Warsaw Indiana
Peter Weiglin          &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;            = ;          Pennsy Diesels
Richard Wallace          &= nbsp;            = ;            &nb= sp;     Rail facilities around Terre Haute  (1 =C2= =BD hours)
Elden Gatwood and Al Buchan       Modeling Com= mittee Forum
Bob Johnson           = ;            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;         Annual Station and Arc= hives Report

=C2=B7        Banquet Speakers=

Dan Finfrock          =             &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;          Railroads in Cinc= innati
DonWood           &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;            = ; The Sandusky Branch =C2=B7       = ;
Railfan Tours
o       Rail Expo in Latonia
Guided tours of the museum.  Will try and have the PRR equipment se= t up together.Date:  Friday, April 30 Time:  First run @ 9:30.&nbs= p; Second @ 11:00 =C2=B7      &n= bsp;

Non-Rail Tours
Riverboat Cruise with Lunch and Aquarium Lunch on a B&B Riverboat, Tour=20= Aquarium, and sightsee Newport on the Levee and the riverfrontDate:  Fr= iday, April 30 Time:  10:00 to 6:00

Lebanon, Ohio Lunch at the Golden Lamb and self-guided tour of antique store= sDate:  Saturday May 1 Time:   9:30 =E2=80=93 1:30=C2=B7 = ;      

Banquet

Cincinnati Union Terminal =E2=80=93 Dinner and presentations
Grif Teller Exhibition
Cincinnati In Motion (historical museum exhibit with themed scale scenes) Tower A at CUT (Cincinnati Railroad Club's eagles' nest high above the rail=20= yards in the Mill Creek Valley)

****************************************************************************= *******************

I know there's more plans than this now finalized.  For example, our ho= tel will be the Best Western Springdale, which I stayed at as recently as la= st spring.  I believe the negotiated price is $71, a good one for that=20= part of northern Cincinnati.  You should be able to get additional info= from Rick Bailey at 513-523-1034 or his email <rb@woh.rr.com>.


           &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;    Rick Tipton - Louisville KY
            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;   Planning a new Panhandle Route in HO
(Pennsylvania RR Buckeye Div. 1966-1968)
            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;   And Remembering PRR Lines West






































































--part1_41.389dc9bf.2d2a0e2f_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Al Buchan" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 20:04:53 -0500 Subject: RE: [PRR-FAX] Some Cincinnati plans More details on the meeting will be posted on the PRRT&HS website as soon as they are received. I talked with Rick Bailey the other day. They're having a planning meeting today (01-04). I'll try to make contact with Rick tomorrow. More info will hopefully be forthcoming with the January e-NEWS due out 01-16. Al -----Original Message----- From: RickTipton@aol.com [mailto:RickTipton@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 7:48 PM To: weiglin@sbcglobal.net Cc: Rick Bailey; abbuchan1@comcast.net; CandOrail@att.net; jhediger@mrmag.com; davesbooks43015@yahoo.com; jhunter@iupui.edu; LCklarue@aol.com; Larry and Phyllis Morgan; Ogarasteam@aol.com; Vic Paynter; PennsyWest@egroups.com; PRR@yahoogroups.com; PRR-Talk@dsop.com; f40ph@fuse.net; Gary Rauch; monon@uscom.com; Patrick.Rose@ae.ge.com; prrsignals@adelphia.net; rmighpr@erols.com; Stuthayer@aol.com; ELTSk8@aol.com; KTTipton@aol.com; Keith Vande Stadt; Tom Vondruska Subject: [PRR-FAX] Some Cincinnati plans In a message dated 1/3/04 4:04:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, weiglin@sbcglobal.net writes: > Rick -- > > I have been trying to get location information for the Cincinnati > PRRT&HS > convention, and was told that the info would be out in early March. > > That's relatively short notice. (I'd also like to mention it in the > magazine.) > Do you know at what hotel/facility the convention will be? > > Peter Weiglin > San Mateo, CA > (Associate Editor, Mainline Modeler) Hi Peter, I see you're with us on the program. The Society has released the following (which can be found at http://www.prrths.com/E%20News/PRR_e-News-Nov2003-N38.html): ************************************************************************ ****** ***************** 2004 Cincinnati Chairman Rick Bailey has provided KeN with the following preliminary information about the 2004 annual meeting in Cincinnati (subject to change in final planning). Looks like a great program is coming together for this first ever, west of Pittsburgh event, mark this weekend on your calendar now - Thursday April 29th - Sunday May 2nd. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. 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More info will hopefully be forthcoming with the January e-NEWS due out 01-16. Al -----Original Message----- From: RickTipton@aol.com [mailto:RickTipton@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 7:48 PM To: weiglin@sbcglobal.net Cc: Rick Bailey; abbuchan1@comcast.net; CandOrail@att.net; jhediger@mrmag.com; davesbooks43015@yahoo.com; jhunter@iupui.edu; LCklarue@aol.com; Larry and Phyllis Morgan; Ogarasteam@aol.com; Vic Paynter; PennsyWest@egroups.com; PRR@yahoogroups.com; PRR-Talk@dsop.com; f40ph@fuse.net; Gary Rauch; monon@uscom.com; Patrick.Rose@ae.ge.com; prrsignals@adelphia.net; rmighpr@erols.com; Stuthayer@aol.com; ELTSk8@aol.com; KTTipton@aol.com; Keith Vande Stadt; Tom Vondruska Subject: [PRR-FAX] Some Cincinnati plans In a message dated 1/3/04 4:04:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, weiglin@sbcglobal.net writes: > Rick -- > > I have been trying to get location information for the Cincinnati > PRRT&HS > convention, and was told that the info would be out in early March. > > That's relatively short notice. (I'd also like to mention it in the > magazine.) > Do you know at what hotel/facility the convention will be? > > Peter Weiglin > San Mateo, CA > (Associate Editor, Mainline Modeler) Hi Peter, I see you're with us on the program. The Society has released the following (which can be found at http://www.prrths.com/E%20News/PRR_e-News-Nov2003-N38.html): ************************************************************************ ****** ***************** 2004 Cincinnati Chairman Rick Bailey has provided KeN with the following preliminary information about the 2004 annual meeting in Cincinnati (subject to change in final planning). Looks like a great program is coming together for this first ever, west of Pittsburgh event, mark this weekend on your calendar now - Thursday April 29th - Sunday May 2nd. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PRR/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 20:28:05 EST Subject: [PRR] PRR P85br coaches Is anyone installing lighting in the new Centralia coaches (HO) that is compatible with DCC? Evan Leisey RCT&HS 346 PRRT&HS (Phila.) 2036 CNJ -------------------------------1073266085 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
  Is anyone installing lighting in the new Centralia coaches (HO)=20= that is compatible with DCC?

Evan Leisey
RCT&= ;HS 346
PRRT&HS (Phila.) 2036
CNJ
-------------------------------1073266085-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 21:37:31 EST Subject: [PRR] PRR GP35 phases I need a little help. The first GP35's which the PRR ordered were phase 1a. Where in the GP35 number series did the phase 1a body types end. TIA Rich Orr --part1_47.37aa4e40.2d2a27eb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" I need a little help.  The fir= st GP35's which the PRR ordered were phase 1a.  Where in the GP35 numbe= r series did the phase 1a body types end.

TIA

Rich Orr --part1_47.37aa4e40.2d2a27eb_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Volkmer" Subject: RE: [PRR] Alco PB's Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 08:28:52 -0500 I seem to remember the 5756B as being a single stripe Tuscan paint job, not 5758B. Could be wrong, but it'll be the first time. -----Original Message----- From: TGREGMRTN@aol.com [mailto:TGREGMRTN@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 3:27 PM To: ndbprr@att.net; Prr-Talk@dsop.com Subject: Re: [PRR] Alco PB's Norm Bell writes: > Did these remain DGLE with five stripes for their entire life or were they repainted? Did any ever make it to DGLE single stripe? > Thanks Norm and all, All the ALCo PB_1's started out in DGLE 5 stripes and were repainted into Tuscan with 5 stripe with on unit repainted into Sinle Broad Stripe/Billboard lettering. None were painted DGLE single stripe. Greg Martin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C3D365.F44E5DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Message
I seem=20 to remember the 5756B as being a single stripe Tuscan paint job, not=20 5758B.  Could be wrong, but it'll be the first = time.
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Norm Bell writes:

> Did these remain DGLE = with five=20 stripes for their entire life or were they repainted?  Did any = ever make=20 it to DGLE single stripe? 
> Thanks

Norm and = all,

All=20 the ALCo PB_1's started out in DGLE 5 stripes and were repainted into = Tuscan=20 with 5 stripe with on unit repainted into Sinle Broad Stripe/Billboard = lettering. None were painted DGLE single stripe.

Greg=20 = Martin 

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------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C3D365.F44E5DC0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:17:17 -0500 Subject: [PRR] Forum for Southcentral Pennsylvania Model Railroads From: Jerry Britton Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: By request, I've added a forum for "Southcentral Pennsylvania Model Railroads" to my new Forum site... http://forum.pennsyrr.com:8010/forum/ This new forum is a place where layout operators within 30 miles of Harrisburg, York, and Lancaster can share experiences and announce work sessions, operating sessions, and open houses. A few of us have discussed creating in southcentral Pennsylvania an annual open house tour event like the one held in southeastern, Pa., every November. They are now over 100 layouts. This new forum will be a venue to find out what other layouts are out there... regardless of road modeled. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 06:21:34 -0800 From: Peter Weiglin Subject: [PRR] Re: Some Cincinnati plans Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Thank you, guys. I hope that by now you know that BOTH Kenneth Douglas and Peter Weiglin (who co-authored the book) will be presenting the clinic on Pennsy Diesels. Please add Ken's name to the list of presenters; I feel lonely on that list. I am looking forward to this meeting! It'll also give me a chance to see how Cincinnati has changed snce we lived there. Peter Weiglin San Mateo, CA = = = = RickTipton@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/3/04 4:04:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, > weiglin@sbcglobal.net writes: > > >>Rick -- >> >>I have been trying to get location information for the Cincinnati PRRT&HS >>convention, and was told that the info would be out in early March. >> >>That's relatively short notice. (I'd also like to mention it in the >>magazine.) >>Do you know at what hotel/facility the convention will be? >> >>Peter Weiglin >>San Mateo, CA >>(Associate Editor, Mainline Modeler) > > > Hi Peter, > > I see you're with us on the program. The Society has released the following > (which can be found at > http://www.prrths.com/E%20News/PRR_e-News-Nov2003-N38.html): > > ****************************************************************************** > ***************** > > 2004 Cincinnati Chairman Rick Bailey has provided KeN with the following > preliminary information about the 2004 annual meeting in Cincinnati (subject to > change in final planning). Looks like a great program is coming together for > this first ever, west of Pittsburgh event, mark this weekend on your calendar now > - Thursday April 29th – Sunday May 2nd. > > · Programs > > Gib Youngblut Cincinnati Union > Terminal > Al Westerfield XL Box Cars > Rick Tipton PRR in Louisville > or PRR in Dayton (I'm augmenting the Louisville one) > Ron Widman PRR in Columbus > James Hunter PRR in Indianapolis > Rich Berg Freight Cars > Gary Shaffer Pittsburgh, > Youngstown and Ashtabula > Mike Havron Colsan and Sandusky > Branch > Bill Harvey and Gary Salzgaber Passenger Equipment > Jack White Origins of PRR in > Cincinnati > Jon Barker Lines West Wooden > Structures > Ted Andrews PRR in Warsaw Indiana > Peter Weiglin Pennsy Diesels > Richard Wallace Rail facilities > around Terre Haute (1 ½ hours) > Elden Gatwood and Al Buchan Modeling Committee Forum > Bob Johnson Annual Station and > Archives Report > > · Banquet Speakers > > Dan Finfrock Railroads in > Cincinnati > DonWood The Sandusky Branch · > Railfan Tours > o Rail Expo in Latonia > Guided tours of the museum. Will try and have the PRR equipment set up > together.Date: Friday, April 30 Time: First run @ 9:30. Second @ 11:00 · > > Non-Rail Tours > Riverboat Cruise with Lunch and Aquarium Lunch on a B&B Riverboat, Tour > Aquarium, and sightsee Newport on the Levee and the riverfrontDate: Friday, April > 30 Time: 10:00 to 6:00 > > Lebanon, Ohio Lunch at the Golden Lamb and self-guided tour of antique > storesDate: Saturday May 1 Time: 9:30 – 1:30· > > Banquet > > Cincinnati Union Terminal – Dinner and presentations > Grif Teller Exhibition > Cincinnati In Motion (historical museum exhibit with themed scale scenes) > Tower A at CUT (Cincinnati Railroad Club's eagles' nest high above the rail > yards in the Mill Creek Valley) > > ****************************************************************************** > ***************** > > I know there's more plans than this now finalized. For example, our hotel > will be the Best Western Springdale, which I stayed at as recently as last > spring. I believe the negotiated price is $71, a good one for that part of > northern Cincinnati. You should be able to get additional info from Rick Bailey at > 513-523-1034 or his email . > > > Rick Tipton - Louisville KY > Planning a new Panhandle Route in HO > (Pennsylvania RR Buckeye Div. 1966-1968) > And Remembering PRR Lines West > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Peter Weiglin Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 06:21:34 -0800 Subject: [PRR-FAX] Re: Some Cincinnati plans Thank you, guys. I hope that by now you know that BOTH Kenneth Douglas and Peter Weiglin (who co-authored the book) will be presenting the clinic on Pennsy Diesels. Please add Ken's name to the list of presenters; I feel lonely on that list. I am looking forward to this meeting! It'll also give me a chance to see how Cincinnati has changed snce we lived there. Peter Weiglin San Mateo, CA = = = = "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PRR/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ELDEN GATWOOD Subject: [PRR] Feedback on Clinics at Meets Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:07:06 -0800 Feedback on Clinics at Meets

Hi all!
I hope you all had a great weekend and = holidays.

Also, I hope you all have a chance to look at the = latest issue of TKM. Tell us what you think, and what you'd like to see = in the future.

I am also very interested in what types of = clinics/presentations you all like best.  What would you like to = learn about?  Building kits?  Scratchbuilding?  = Kitbashing?  Weathering? Detailing?  Research?  Who = really lit your fire?

Thanks for any feedback!

Elden

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D3BF.1C3140B0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ELDEN GATWOOD Subject: [PRR] RE: PRR "one-off" cars Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:21:43 -0800