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From: amato@mchsi.com Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 14:56:41 +0000 Subject: [PRR] I received my Jan copy of Trains over the weekend, and promptly dug into Bill Volkmer's PRR article. It's a great overview of the Susquehanna District operations in the 60s. One thing I was expecting was a detailed map of the Northumberland facilities. Alas, looks like I will have to wait for Triumph VII. Unless anyone out there has such a map? Thanks for taking the time to write this article, Bill! Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:08:00 -0500 From: "Andrew S. Miller" Subject: Re: [PRR] Walthers PRR PS 52 coach This is a model of a C&O coach. It is distinctive with a center lounge. While only the C&O ran them, they did appear on the PRR on the Penn Station connection from the FFV, Sportsman, and GW. They may have later been sold to the Seaboard and have appeared on FL - NY trains. Regards, Andrew S. Miller ======================================================= Geoffrey Van Dooren wrote: > Expected to arrive on Christmas Eve is a Pullman Standard 52 coach > painted for PRR and other roads. Is this a correct Pennsy model or > would this be seen on Pennsy rails used by another RR?Thx,Geoffrey-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Weldon G" Subject: [PRR] 1938 PRR Broadway Paint Colors Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:02:40 -0500 Does anyone know or have a source for the appropriate colors for the two-tone red originally used on the '38 Broadway cars? Which available paints would be appropriate to use to paint these cars? All the best to you and yours Weldon All outgoing emails scanned with Norton Anti-virus ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Earl Myers" Subject: [PRR] NYC loads on PRR flats... Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:35:38 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C3B7FF.3DF907E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greg; Where are these two pictures "loaded" up to, Rob's site, or??? Earl Myers Lines West ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C3B7FF.3DF907E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greg;

Where are these two pictures = "loaded" up to,=20 Rob's site, or???

Earl Myers

Lines West

------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C3B7FF.3DF907E0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: amato@mchsi.com Subject: [PRR] January article in Trains mag Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:07:17 +0000 (sent this earlier, but forgot a Subject) I received my Jan copy of Trains over the weekend, and promptly dug into Bill Volkmer's PRR article. It's a great overview of the Susquehanna District operations in the 60s. One thing I was expecting was a detailed map of the Northumberland facilities. Alas, looks like I will have to wait for Triumph VII. Unless anyone out there has such a map? Thanks for taking the time to write this article, Bill! Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:43:25 -0500 Subject: [PRR] Bowser N8 Test Shots From: Jerry Britton Lee English sent me some test shots of the forthcoming HO scale N8 cabin car. I have to tell you, this model is really coming along and I think, by far, most modelers will be very pleased. The report made about two months ago was a bit premature. It was an earlier test shot and I don't know that the person who made the original comments really knew what they were looking at. At that time, the model was only at the point of getting the major parts to fit together. Details were not yet an issue. Even at this point, the roof has no detailing, but it is promised. With regard to the hand rails: They are not molded onto the body. They are separate pieces. They are smaller than was originally reported, and Lee plans to reduce them even further. They are also molded in yellow plastic, so painting will not be an issue. Since they are separate pieces, those who desire true wire rails will be able to lop them off that much easier. Roof walks: Wow! The roof walks are very fine and see-through. They are unlike any roof walks ever done by Bowser before. I've seen better, but only in etched brass. The steps look very good and the body detailing is good. The one-piece "glass" insert fit well. I cannot/will not post photos of the test shots as there is no way to insure that the "pre production" comments stay with them. Bowser does not need further bad PR based on misgivings about what is seen. Lee thinks this will be the finest plastic model Bowser has ever created and I have to agree that it probably will be. Exercise patience, and you HO modelers will have a fine PRR cabin car in a few months. (Now I just need it in N scale!) ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: amato@mchsi.com Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 14:56:41 +0000 Subject: [PRR] Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:08:00 -0500 From: "Andrew S. Miller" Subject: Re: [PRR] Walthers PRR PS 52 coach Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 1070292029.40646.mx01.eclipse.net This is a model of a C&O coach. It is distinctive with a center lounge. While only the C&O ran them, they did appear on the PRR on the Penn Station connection from the FFV, Sportsman, and GW. They may have later been sold to the Seaboard and have appeared on FL - NY trains. Regards, Andrew S. Miller ======================================================= Geoffrey Van Dooren wrote: > Expected to arrive on Christmas Eve is a Pullman Standard 52 coach > painted for PRR and other roads. Is this a correct Pennsy model or > would this be seen on Pennsy rails used by another RR?Thx,Geoffrey-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Weldon G" Subject: [PRR] 1938 PRR Broadway Paint Colors Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:02:40 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Charter-MailScanner-Information: X-Charter-MailScanner: Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 1070295183.65585.mx01.eclipse.net Does anyone know or have a source for the appropriate colors for the two-tone red originally used on the '38 Broadway cars? Which available paints would be appropriate to use to paint these cars? All the best to you and yours Weldon All outgoing emails scanned with Norton Anti-virus ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Earl Myers" Subject: [PRR] NYC loads on PRR flats... Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:35:38 -0500 Greg; Where are these two pictures "loaded" up to, Rob's site, or??? Earl Myers Lines West ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C3B7FF.3DF907E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Greg;

Where are these two pictures = "loaded" up to,=20 Rob's site, or???

Earl Myers

Lines West

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Gents;

Being fairly new to railroading = and living at=20 MP94.8 on the Ft. Wayne.....why has there not been more published (than = what is=20 in typical PRR orientated books) about the PRR out here? Our area = contained the=20 S & Q locomotives, lots of T-1 action and long, high speed passenger = runs,=20 ore drags down the C&P and many more interesting aspects. Thru this = area=20 (Canton) in the steam years, there were 4 mainline tracks, not just two, = there=20 were (still are) the 2.5 mile long yards at Canton and Crestline, the = enourmous=20 steel and concrete roundhouses at Canton & Crestline, Canton's huge=20 railyard, the large facilities at Dennison on the Panhandle, large = facilities at=20 Columbus & Ft. Wayne, the list goes on.........how could all this be = so=20 ignored??

Earl Myers

Linew West, = 1944

------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C3B8BE.BE810790-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Rob Schoenberg" Subject: [PRR] RE: [PRRPro] An interesting F30a load... Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:11:32 -0500 Guys, I finally got the larger photos uploaded. The tender is at: http://prr.railfan.net/photos/PRRPro/prr_f30aflat_tender002.jpg and for the loco: http://prr.railfan.net/photos/PRRPro/prr_f30aflat_tender.jpg Sorry for the delay... I was on the beach in Aruba ignoring my e-mail! Rob -----Original Message----- From: TGREGMRTN@AOL.COM [mailto:TGREGMRTN@AOL.COM] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 2:24 AM To: PRRPro@yahoogroups.com Cc: prr-talk@dsop.com; prr-modeling@yahoogroups.com Subject: [PRRPro] An interesting F30a load... Let me try this again... Hey Yuze Gize... I just loaded a photo (small JPEG) of a PRR F30a with an interesting load... A streamlined NYC Tender! I believe the photo may have been an original contact print. It is in my collection and I never really paid much attention to it... Any scratch builders out there? Just another idea for a load. It doesn't have to be this exact tender any tender will do ... use your modeling license but watch your clearance diagrams... 3^) Remember I don't grade your work ... just my own... Rob Schoenberg has a much bigger file copy of this and the F 36 (a possible bash form an F 30) load just ahead of this one and it was the Locomotive itself... 3^) When you need to get the job done, call Pennsy... Greg Martin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: PRRPro-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3B8D5.CE8DA500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Guys,

I=20 finally got the larger photos uploaded.

The=20 tender is at: = http://prr.railfan.net/photos/PRRPro/prr_f30aflat_tender002.jpg

and=20 for the loco: htt= p://prr.railfan.net/photos/PRRPro/prr_f30aflat_tender.jpg

Sorry=20 for the delay... I was on the beach in Aruba ignoring my=20 e-mail!

Rob

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: TGREGMRTN@AOL.COM=20 [mailto:TGREGMRTN@AOL.COM]
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 = 2:24=20 AM
To: PRRPro@yahoogroups.com
Cc: = prr-talk@dsop.com;=20 prr-modeling@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PRRPro] An = interesting F30a=20 load...

Let me try = this=20 again...

Hey Yuze Gize...

I just loaded a photo (small = JPEG) of=20 a PRR F30a with an interesting load... A streamlined NYC Tender! I = believe the=20 photo may have been an original contact print. It is in my collection = and I=20 never really paid much attention to it... Any scratch builders out=20 there? Just another idea for a load. It doesn't have to be = this=20 exact tender any
tender will do ... use your modeling license but = watch=20 your clearance diagrams... 3^) Remember I don't grade your work ... = just my=20 own...

Rob Schoenberg has a much bigger file copy of this and = the F 36=20 (a possible bash form an F 30) load just ahead of this one and it was = the=20 Locomotive itself... 3^) When you need to get the = job=20 done, call Pennsy...

Greg Martin

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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3B8D5.CE8DA500-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:44:29 -0600 Subject: [PRR] Re: [PRRPro] An interesting F30a load... From: Bruce Smith Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On Tuesday, December 2, 2003, at 12:11 PM, Rob Schoenberg wrote: > Guys, > =A0 > I finally got the larger photos uploaded.=A0 > =A0 > The tender is at:=A0 =20 > http://prr.railfan.net/photos/PRRPro/prr_f30aflat_tender002.jpg > and for the loco: =20 > http://prr.railfan.net/photos/PRRPro/prr_f30aflat_tender.jpg Greg originally noted these as a streamlined NYC loco and tender. I =20 think rather that they are non-standard gauge locomotives for export, =20= most likely being shipped from and photographed at the Baldwin Loco =20 Works in Eddystone. The F30A has a reweigh date of 1949 and the F39 =20 seems to show 1948, indicating that the photo was shot in or after =20 1949. The spoked wheels on the front truck and the front pilot were =20 key for me...the pilot has a tiny little hole, for a link coupler? and =20= no obvious place for a US style coupler Export locos make GREAT loads! Check out all of the strapping and =20 blocking. Very cool... Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin =20= Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ = ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ = =20 | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | =20 ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| =20 |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0= --Apple-Mail-10--258326991 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tuesday, December 2, 2003, at 12:11 PM, Rob Schoenberg wrote: = Arial0000,0000,FFFFGuys, =A0 = Arial0000,0000,FFFFI finally got the larger photos uploaded.=A0 =A0 = Arial0000,0000,FFFFThe tender is at:=A0 = 0000,6666,0000= http://prr.railfan.net/photos/PRRPro/prr_f30aflat_tender002.jpg<= /color> = Arial0000,0000,FFFFand for the loco: = 0000,6666,0000= http://prr.railfan.net/photos/PRRPro/prr_f30aflat_tender.jpg Greg originally noted these as a streamlined NYC loco and tender. I think rather that they are non-standard gauge locomotives for export, most likely being shipped from and photographed at the Baldwin Loco Works in Eddystone. The F30A has a reweigh date of 1949 and the F39 seems to show 1948, indicating that the photo was shot in or after 1949. The spoked wheels on the front truck and the front pilot were key for me...the pilot has a tiny little hole, for a link coupler? and no obvious place for a US style coupler < Export locos make GREAT loads! Check out all of the strapping and blocking. Very cool... Happy Rails Bruce HelveticaBruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. = =20 Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<<+--+>________________\__/___ =20 ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __=20 __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0= --Apple-Mail-10--258326991-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bennett Levin" Subject: Re: [PRR] RE: [PRRPro] An interesting F30a load... Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:06:38 -0500 I believe that this was part of a Baldwin order for India at the end of = production. Bennett ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rob Schoenberg=20 To: PRRPro@yahoogroups.com=20 Cc: prr-talk@dsop.com ; prr-modeling@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: [PRR] RE: [PRRPro] An interesting F30a load... Guys, I finally got the larger photos uploaded. =20 The tender is at: = http://prr.railfan.net/photos/PRRPro/prr_f30aflat_tender002.jpgI believe = this was part of an order and for the loco: = http://prr.railfan.net/photos/PRRPro/prr_f30aflat_tender.jpg Sorry for the delay... I was on the beach in Aruba ignoring my = e-mail! Rob -----Original Message----- From: TGREGMRTN@AOL.COM [mailto:TGREGMRTN@AOL.COM] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 2:24 AM To: PRRPro@yahoogroups.com Cc: prr-talk@dsop.com; prr-modeling@yahoogroups.com Subject: [PRRPro] An interesting F30a load... Let me try this again... Hey Yuze Gize... I just loaded a photo (small JPEG) of a PRR F30a with an interesting = load... A streamlined NYC Tender! I believe the photo may have been an = original contact print. It is in my collection and I never really paid = much attention to it... Any scratch builders out there? Just another = idea for a load. It doesn't have to be this exact tender any=20 tender will do ... use your modeling license but watch your = clearance diagrams... 3^) Remember I don't grade your work ... just my = own...=20 Rob Schoenberg has a much bigger file copy of this and the F 36 (a = possible bash form an F 30) load just ahead of this one and it was the = Locomotive itself... 3^) When you need to get the job done, call = Pennsy...=20 Greg Martin=20 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20 =20 =20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: PRRPro-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. = ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3B8DD.80D91760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

I believe that this was part of a = Baldwin order for=20 India at the end of production.

Bennett

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rob=20 Schoenberg
To: PRRPro@yahoogroups.com =

Cc: prr-talk@dsop.com ; prr-modeling@yahoogroups.com= =20

Sent: Tuesday, December 02, = 2003 1:11=20 PM

Subject: [PRR] RE: [PRRPro] An=20 interesting F30a load...

Guys,

I=20 finally got the larger photos uploaded.

The=20 tender is at: http://prr.railfan.net/photos/PRRPro/prr_f30aflat_tender002.jpgI=20 believe this was part of an order

and=20 for the loco: htt= p://prr.railfan.net/photos/PRRPro/prr_f30aflat_tender.jpg

Sorry for the delay... I was on the beach in Aruba = ignoring my=20 e-mail!

Rob

-----Original = Message-----
From: TGREGMRTN@AOL.COM=20 [mailto:TGREGMRTN@AOL.COM]
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 = 2:24=20 AM
To: PRRPro@yahoogroups.com
C= c:=20 prr-talk@dsop.com; prr-modeling@yahoogroups.com=
Subject:=20 [PRRPro] An interesting F30a = load...

Let me try this again...

Hey Yuze = Gize...

I=20 just loaded a photo (small JPEG) of a PRR F30a with an interesting = load... A=20 streamlined NYC Tender! I believe the photo may have been an = original=20 contact print. It is in my collection and I never really paid much = attention=20 to it... Any scratch builders out there? Just another idea for = a=20 load. It doesn't have to be this exact tender any
tender = will do=20 ... use your modeling license but watch your clearance diagrams... = 3^)=20 Remember I don't grade your work ... just my own...

Rob = Schoenberg=20 has a much bigger file copy of this and the F 36 (a possible bash = form an F=20 30) load just ahead of this one and it was the = Locomotive=20 itself... 3^) When you need to get the job done, call = Pennsy...=20

Greg Martin

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ADVERTISEMENT

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A few minutes ago, I was given the following book: A Special Histo= ry Study of Pennsylvania Railroad Shops and Works, Altoona, Pennsylvania. &n= bsp;The author is John C. Paige and the date is 1989 (February???). Th= e book is soft cover, 156 pages, and appears to be published by the U.S. Dep= artment of the Interior, National Park Service.

Can anyone shed any light on this document for me? For example, wh= y was it written and for whom, etc.

I haven't read it yet but, since the subject is PRR, I'm looking for to=20= getting into it.

Thanks.

Bob Martin
York, PA --part1_14c.279dd6c2.2cfe3ea1_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gregg Mahlkov" Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: [PRRPro] An interesting F30a load... Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:26:39 -0500 List, The photos Rob posted are indeed of an Indian Railways broad gauge (5 = ft. 3 in). Pacific of a group built by Baldwin in the 1949-1953 period. = The "dead giveaway" is the louvered shutter on the front of the tender - = an Indian Railways feature to protect the fireman from monsoon rains. = The cab would have similar shutters, but they are boarded over. The = locomotive and tender were no doubt loaded on flatcars at Eddystone for = movement to the Port of Philadelphia. These were among Baldwin's very last steam locomotives, if not THE very = last. Gregg Mahlkov ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bruce Smith=20 To: PRRPro@yahoogroups.com=20 Cc: prr-talk@dsop.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:44 PM Subject: [PRR] Re: [PRRPro] An interesting F30a load... On Tuesday, December 2, 2003, at 12:11 PM, Rob Schoenberg wrote: Guys, =20 I finally got the larger photos uploaded.=20 =20 The tender is at: = http://prr.railfan.net/photos/PRRPro/prr_f30aflat_tender002.jpg and for the loco: = http://prr.railfan.net/photos/PRRPro/prr_f30aflat_tender.jpg Greg originally noted these as a streamlined NYC loco and tender. I = think rather that they are non-standard gauge locomotives for export, = most likely being shipped from and photographed at the Baldwin Loco = Works in Eddystone. The F30A has a reweigh date of 1949 and the F39 = seems to show 1948, indicating that the photo was shot in or after 1949. = The spoked wheels on the front truck and the front pilot were key for = me...the pilot has a tiny little hole, for a link coupler? and no = obvious place for a US style coupler Export locos make GREAT loads! Check out all of the strapping and = blocking. Very cool... Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D.=20 Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin = Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| = |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C3B8E0.4CEEA840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

List,

The photos Rob posted are indeed of an Indian = Railways broad=20 gauge (5 ft. 3 in). Pacific of a group built by Baldwin in the 1949-1953 = period.=20 The "dead giveaway" is the louvered shutter on the front of the tender - = an=20 Indian Railways feature to protect the fireman from monsoon rains. The = cab would=20 have similar shutters, but they are boarded over. The locomotive and=20 tender were no doubt loaded on flatcars at Eddystone for movement = to the=20 Port of Philadelphia.

These were among Baldwin's very last steam = locomotives, if=20 not THE very last.

Gregg Mahlkov

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Bruce=20 Smith

To: PRRPro@yahoogroups.com =

Cc: prr-talk@dsop.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 02, = 2003 1:44=20 PM

Subject: [PRR] Re: [PRRPro] An=20 interesting F30a load...

On Tuesday, December 2, 2003, at 12:11 PM, Rob = Schoenberg=20 wrote:

Guys,
= ;
I=20 finally got the larger photos = uploaded.

The=20 tender is at: = http://prr.railfan.net/photos/PRRPro/prr_f30aflat_tender002.jpg
and=20 for the loco: htt= p://prr.railfan.net/photos/PRRPro/prr_f30aflat_tender.jpg<= ?/color>

Greg=20 originally noted these as a streamlined NYC loco and tender. I think = rather=20 that they are non-standard gauge locomotives for export, most likely = being=20 shipped from and photographed at the Baldwin Loco Works in Eddystone. = The F30A=20 has a reweigh date of 1949 and the F39 seems to show 1948, indicating = that the=20 photo was shot in or after 1949. The spoked wheels on the front truck = and the=20 front pilot were key for me...the pilot has a tiny little hole, for a = link=20 coupler? and no obvious place for a US style coupler = <G>

Export=20 locos make GREAT loads! Check out all of the strapping and blocking. = Very=20 cool...

Happy Rails
Bruce
Bruce F.=20 Smith V.M.D., Ph.D.
Scott-Ritchey Research Center
334-844-5587, = 334-844-5850 = (fax)
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Beer is=20 proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin = Franklin
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|=20 O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C3B8E0.4CEEA840-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: John Frantz Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: [PRRPro] An interesting F30a load... Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:08:25 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: I concur with Bruce's observation of the locomotive. To further support this, although i am no NYC expert While, similar in shroud design to a Hudson, an hudson was a 4-6-4 whilst this is clearly a 4-6-2 Pacific. From some things I know oversees this locomtoive is either bound for Germany, Russia, or possibly England IMHO. One more note, the engine is actually loaded on an F36 flatcar. Very interesting pair of photos and as Bruce said would make a great load. My 10 cents worth. John Bruce wrote: Greg originally noted these as a streamlined NYC loco and tender. I think rather that they are non-standard gauge locomotives for export, most likely being shipped from and photographed at the Baldwin Loco Works in Eddystone. The F30A has a reweigh date of 1949 and the F39 seems to show 1948, indicating that the photo was shot in or after 1949. The spoked wheels on the front truck and the front pilot were key for me...the pilot has a tiny little hole, for a link coupler? and no obvious place for a US style coupler ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:37:09 -0500 From: TGREGMRTN@aol.com Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: [PRRPro] An interesting F30a load... Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Gregg Mahlkov writes: > List, > > The photos Rob posted are indeed of an Indian Railways broad gauge (5 ft. 3 in). Pacific of a group built by Baldwin in the 1949-1953 period. The "dead giveaway" is the louvered shutter on the front of the tender - an Indian Railways feature to protect the fireman from monsoon rains. The cab would have similar shutters, but they are boarded over. The locomotive and tender were no doubt loaded on flatcars at Eddystone for movement to the Port of Philadelphia. > > These were among Baldwin's very last steam locomotives, if not THE very last. > > Gregg Mahlkov Well, I never knew but it looked NYC to me... It's a funky piece... 3^) It was a contact print (like Polaroid, shoot, wait and peel)in a collection I inherited. It is begining to detieroate and I needed to pressure it. I send a copy to Richard Hendrickson to add to his seminar on open top loadings for Cocoa Beach this January. I guess at some point I need to go back through the entire collection and preserve other photos from this collection, such as the massive collection of passenger cars and locomotives. Hope you all enjoy these shots and perhaps we can come up with some interesting open top loadings for our PRR PROJECT list... I think Richard's seminar in Cocoa Beach will give us a kick in the rear! Greg Martin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "David McDonald" Subject: [PRR] Re: PRR Study Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:13:28 -0500 Bob: I don�t know anything about the book, but it is for sale at the following web site: http://www.allegheny.org/store/Publications/SpecialHistoryStudy.htm for $20.00. I�d be interested in your review and if you think it might be worth the money. Thanks. Dave McDonald ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C3B8EF.38CE6210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Bob:

I don’t know anything about the book, but it is for sale at = the following web site:

http://www.allegheny.org/store/Publications/SpecialHistoryStudy.htm

for $20.00. I’d be interested in your review and if you = think it might be worth the money.

Thanks.

Dave McDonald

Folks,

As one of our members recently = pointed out,=20 the 2005 annual meeting at Camp Hill will fall on Mother's Day weekend. = Although=20 we have a contract with the Radisson for that weekend there is a = possibility=20 that we could move it back to the weekend of 5/19-5/22. We could not use = any of=20 the facilities until after 5 p.m. on Thursday the 19th, other than that = things=20 seem to be okay.

I need to know quickly if the = consensus is=20 to try and move it to avoid the Mother's Day weekend or to go ahead as=20 originally planned.

Thanx for the = feedback.

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Earl,

It is west of = Philadelphia.

Jack Consoli

(equally frustrated Pittsburgh = native)

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Earl = Myers=20

To: PRR TALK

Cc: Pennsy West

Sent: Tuesday, December 02, = 2003 10:26=20 AM

Subject: [PRR] Lines West

Gents;

Being fairly new to railroading = and living=20 at MP94.8 on the Ft. Wayne.....why has there not been more published = (than=20 what is in typical PRR orientated books) about the PRR out here? Our = area=20 contained the S & Q locomotives, lots of T-1 action and long, high = speed=20 passenger runs, ore drags down the C&P and many more interesting = aspects.=20 Thru this area (Canton) in the steam years, there were 4 mainline = tracks, not=20 just two, there were (still are) the 2.5 mile long yards at Canton and = Crestline, the enourmous steel and concrete roundhouses at Canton = &=20 Crestline, Canton's huge railyard, the large facilities at Dennison on = the=20 Panhandle, large facilities at Columbus & Ft. Wayne, the list goes = on.........how could all this be so ignored??

Earl Myers

Linew West,=20 1944

------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C3B919.BD90A4C0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:43:59 EST Subject: [PRR] PRR Lines West is a niche market (the nasty secret) In a message dated 12/2/03 2:38:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, PRR-Talk@dsop.com writes: > Subject: Lines West > From: "Earl Myers" > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:26:27 -0500 > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C3B8BE.BE810790 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Gents; > Being fairly new to railroading and living at MP94.8 on the Ft. = > Wayne.....why has there not been more published (than what is in typical = > PRR orientated books) about the PRR out here? Our area contained the S & = > Q locomotives, lots of T-1 action and long, high speed passenger runs, = > ore drags down the C&P and many more interesting aspects. Thru this area = > (Canton) in the steam years, there were 4 mainline tracks, not just two, = > there were (still are) the 2.5 mile long yards at Canton and Crestline, = > the enourmous steel and concrete roundhouses at Canton & Crestline, = > Canton's huge railyard, the large facilities at Dennison on the = > Panhandle, large facilities at Columbus & Ft. Wayne, the list goes = > on.........how could all this be so ignored?? > Earl Myers > Linew West, 1944 > Earl, See the archives of PennsyWest@yahoo for several years of discussion on this subject. You'll also find more of our earlier screaming and whining on PRR-Talk's archives -- go back a couple of years. Many thoughts have been aired, from the (interesting) hypothesis that Lines West people were just too stupid to save anything, to the (perfectly logical) observation that west of the state of Pennsylvania there were a lot of other railroads to be interested in. However, my opinion is, it's mostly demographics -- for whatever reason, only a small percentage of Pennsy fans live/lived west of Harrisburg. OTOH, there is a huge concentration on the East Coast. Also, railfan photographers I know chose to shoot the quaint and unusual -- not standard engines like on the Standard Railroad of the World. Again, the Pennsy dieselized early, discouraging the taking of pictures in that era. And photo collections are the lifeblood of articles and books. Finally, there seem to be fewer Pennsy writers west of the Pittsburgh area (challenge, guys). So the current fan base is tiny. I know of two other Pennsy fans here in Louisville, neither very active. If I want to see active modeling or writing, I have to drive 2 hours to the north side of Cincinnati (and that's why the PRRT& HS is meeting there next May). Then from there, it's another two hours to Columbus. I never knew one real Pennsy fan while I was growing up in Dayton; I've discovered a couple since, but like me they live elsewhere. All in all, there aren't that many of us interested in PRR Lines West, so why publish for a niche market when you can crank out books for bigger audiences (like New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and DC)? That's simple economics -- and less risky. BTW, you wouldn't believe what we went through to find pictures for the upcoming Keystone article on Cincinnati, and I had friends there to do a lot of the searching. Still, we're lucky to have a Society magazine willing to print Lines West articles -- it wouldn't happen in the popular magazines. Like I said, it's a matter of demographics -- we're not a mass market, and that's not something we can change by wishing. Thank goodness we have the web! Rick Tipton - Louisville KY Planning a new Panhandle Route in HO (Pennsylvania RR Buckeye Div. 1966-1968) And Remembering PRR Lines West --part1_1d1.154d183c.2cfeb5ff_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 12/2/03 2= :38:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, PRR-Talk@dsop.com writes:

Subject: Lines West
From: "Earl Myers" <emyers5@neo.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:26:27 -0500

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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Gents;
Being fairly new to railroading and living at MP94.8 on the Ft. =3D
Wayne.....why has there not been more published (than what is in typical=20= =3D
PRR orientated books) about the PRR out here? Our area contained the S &= =3D
Q locomotives, lots of T-1 action and long, high speed passenger runs, =3D ore drags down the C&P and many more interesting aspects. Thru this area= =3D
(Canton) in the steam years, there were 4 mainline tracks, not just two,=20= =3D
there were (still are) the 2.5 mile long yards at Canton and Crestline, =3D<= BR> the enourmous steel and concrete roundhouses at Canton & Crestline, =3D<= BR> Canton's huge railyard, the large facilities at Dennison on the =3D
Panhandle, large facilities at Columbus & Ft. Wayne, the list goes =3D on.........how could all this be so ignored??
Earl Myers
Linew West, 1944

Earl,

See the archives of PennsyWest@yahoo for several years of discussion on this= subject. You'll also find more of our earlier screaming and whining o= n PRR-Talk's archives -- go back a couple of years. Many thoughts have= been aired, from the (interesting) hypothesis that Lines West people were j= ust too stupid to save anything, to the (perfectly logical) observation that= west of the state of Pennsylvania there were a lot of other railroads to be= interested in.

However, my opinion is, it's mostly demographics -- for whatever reason, onl= y a small percentage of Pennsy fans live/lived west of Harrisburg. OTO= H, there is a huge concentration on the East Coast. Also, railfan phot= ographers I know chose to shoot the quaint and unusual -- not standard engin= es like on the Standard Railroad of the World. Again, the Pennsy diese= lized early, discouraging the taking of pictures in that era. And phot= o collections are the lifeblood of articles and books.

Finally, there seem to be fewer Pennsy writers west of the Pittsburgh area (= challenge, guys).

So the current fan base is tiny. I know of two other Pennsy fans here=20= in Louisville, neither very active. If I want to see active modeling o= r writing, I have to drive 2 hours to the north side of Cincinnati (and that= 's why the PRRT&HS is meeting there next May). Then from there, it= 's another two hours to Columbus. I never knew one real Pennsy fan whi= le I was growing up in Dayton; I've discovered a couple since, but like me t= hey live elsewhere.

All in all, there aren't that many of us interested in PRR Lines West, so wh= y publish for a niche market when you can crank out books for bigger audienc= es (like New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and DC)? That's simple eco= nomics -- and less risky.

BTW, you wouldn't believe what we went through to find pictures for the upco= ming Keystone article on Cincinnati, and I had friends there to do a lot of=20= the searching. Still, we're lucky to have a Society magazine willing t= o print Lines West articles -- it wouldn't happen in the popular magazines.<= BR>
Like I said, it's a matter of demographics -- we're not a mass market, and t= hat's not something we can change by wishing. Thank goodness we have t= he web!

    = ;            &nb= sp;            Rick T= ipton - Louisville KY
            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;   Planning a new Panhandle Route in HO
(Pennsylvania RR Buckeye Div. 1966-1968)
            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;   And Remembering PRR Lines West
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Passenger routing on "1" and "2" track is obvious through the whole area. Freight traffic in and out of Enola is also obvious. Eastbound freight on "3" track moves onto "A" track at BANKS, ducks under "1" and "2" tracks just east of the Marysville Station, rises behind the west end of the bridge, and enters Enola. Westbound freight departs Enola on "D" track and merges with "4" track at BANKS. Alternatively, the "Old Line" could be used between Enola and BANKS, passing through the Marysville Yard. Westbound freight from Harrisburg would be on the bridge on "4" track, would stay close to the river all the way to BANKS. Just prior to the main BANKS plant it would merge with the "Old Line" and "D" tracks. Eastbound freight towards Harrisburg is where my question lies. They would come through BANKS on "3". If they continue on "3", which passes through Marysville Yard, they end up with a fairly steep grade to get back up to the Rockville Bridge. This "appears" to be the main route, however. The alternative is to take "4" within the BANKS interlocking to the "Old Line" (still inside BANKS interlocking), continuing through the Marysville Yard on a bit of a thoroughfare track, then rising to the Rockville Bridge on "0" track. This appears to have a lesser grade than using "3" track out of the yard, but I am not sure. A drawing of the trackage, correct for 1954, may be viewed at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/layout/images/triumph2_249.jpg Can any of the former employees out there shed light on eastbound freight movement in this area? Thanks! ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:05:10 EST Subject: [PRR-FAX] Mothers Day a minefield In a message dated 12/3/03 4:22:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, PRR-Modeling@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:20:17 -0500 > From: "Al Buchan" > Subject: PRRT&HS 2005 Annual Meeting > > Folks, > > As one of our members recently pointed out, the 2005 annual meeting at > Camp Hill will fall on Mother's Day weekend. Although we have a contract > with the Radisson for that weekend there is a possibility that we could > move it back to the weekend of 5/19-5/22. We could not use any of the > facilities until after 5 p.m. on Thursday the 19th, other than that > things seem to be okay. > > I need to know quickly if the consensus is to try and move it to avoid > the Mother's Day weekend or to go ahead as originally planned. > > Thanx for the feedback. > > Al > Al, The annual meeting has always conflicted with the Kentucky Derby (the first Saturday in May for like the past 100 years). That's a medium-size sacrifice for Louisvillians. However, blotting out Mothers Day would be REAL TROUBLE on a national scale. My vvote would be to move the date if possible -- hope this is not an expensive change. Thanks for being sensitive to this problem. Rick Tipton - Louisville KY Planning a new Panhandle Route in HO (Pennsylvania RR Buckeye Div. 1966-1968) And Remembering PRR Lines West [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:05:12 EST Subject: [PRR-FAX] Lines West Blues? In a message dated 12/2/03 10:47:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, PRR-Talk@dsop.com writes: > Subject: Re: [PRR] Lines West > From: "jconsoli" > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:17:50 -0500 > > > Earl, > > It is west of Philadelphia. > > Jack Consoli > (equally frustrated Pittsburgh native) Jack, I had to laugh (heartily), even though I know you're right. I was waiting for someone else to complain "the world ends at the Gallitzin tunnels", but you have trumped me. Of course, you realize in the course of authoring those two books on Pittsburgh, you were adding greatly to Lines West information (including all those juicy pictures of rolling stock with PENNSYLVANIA LINES and VANDALIA on them). We LW people have to be grateful for favors where we find them. Rick Tipton - Louisville KY Planning a new Panhandle Route in HO (Pennsylvania RR Buckeye Div. 1966-1968) And Remembering PRR Lines West [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! 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In a message dated 12/2/03 10:47:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, PRR-Talk@dsop.com writes: > Subject: Re: [PRR] Lines West > From: "jconsoli" > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:17:50 -0500 > > > Earl, > > It is west of Philadelphia. > > Jack Consoli > (equally frustrated Pittsburgh native) Jack, I had to laugh (heartily), even though I know you're right. I was waiting for someone else to complain "the world ends at the Gallitzin tunnels", but you have trumped me. Of course, you realize in the course of authoring those two books on Pittsburgh, you were adding greatly to Lines West information (including all those juicy pictures of rolling stock with PENNSYLVANIA LINES and VANDALIA on them). We LW people have to be grateful for favors where we find them. Rick Tipton - Louisville KY Planning a new Panhandle Route in HO (Pennsylvania RR Buckeye Div. 1966-1968) And Remembering PRR Lines West --part1_12e.36ac3a15.2cff55a8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 12/2/03 1= 0:47:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, PRR-Talk@dsop.com writes:

Subject: Re: [PRR] Lines West From: "jconsoli" <jconsoli@paonline.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:17:50 -0500

Earl,

It is west of Philadelphia.

Jack Consoli
(equally frustrated Pittsburgh native)

Jack,

I had to laugh (heartily), even though I know you're right. I was wait= ing for someone else to complain "the world ends at the Gallitzin tunnels",=20= but you have trumped me.

Of course, you realize in the course of authoring those two books on Pittsbu= rgh, you were adding greatly to Lines West information (including all those=20= juicy pictures of rolling stock with PENNSYLVANIA LINES and VANDALIA on them= ). We LW people have to be grateful for favors where we find them.

    = ;            &nb= sp;            Rick T= ipton - Louisville KY
            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;   Planning a new Panhandle Route in HO
(Pennsylvania RR Buckeye Div. 1966-1968)
            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;   And Remembering PRR Lines West
--part1_12e.36ac3a15.2cff55a8_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:05:10 EST Subject: [PRR] Mothers Day a minefield In a message dated 12/3/03 4:22:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, PRR-Modeling@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:20:17 -0500 > From: "Al Buchan" > Subject: PRRT&HS 2005 Annual Meeting > > Folks, > > As one of our members recently pointed out, the 2005 annual meeting at > Camp Hill will fall on Mother's Day weekend. Although we have a contract > with the Radisson for that weekend there is a possibility that we could > move it back to the weekend of 5/19-5/22. We could not use any of the > facilities until after 5 p.m. on Thursday the 19th, other than that > things seem to be okay. > > I need to know quickly if the consensus is to try and move it to avoid > the Mother's Day weekend or to go ahead as originally planned. > > Thanx for the feedback. > > Al > Al, The annual meeting has always conflicted with the Kentucky Derby (the first Saturday in May for like the past 100 years). That's a medium-size sacrifice for Louisvillians. However, blotting out Mothers Day would be REAL TROUBLE on a national scale. My vvote would be to move the date if possible -- hope this is not an expensive change. Thanks for being sensitive to this problem. Rick Tipton - Louisville KY Planning a new Panhandle Route in HO (Pennsylvania RR Buckeye Div. 1966-1968) And Remembering PRR Lines West --part1_129.36850c84.2cff55a6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 12/3/03 4:22:13 AM Eastern Standard= Time, PRR-Modeling@yahoogroups.com writes:

Message: 3
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:20:17 -0500
From: "Al Buchan" <abbuchan1@comcast.net>
Subject: PRRT&HS 2005 Annual Meeting

Folks,

As one of our members recently pointed out, the 2005 annual meeting at
Camp Hill will fall on Mother's Day weekend. Although we have a contract
with the Radisson for that weekend there is a possibility that we could
move it back to the weekend of 5/19-5/22. We could not use any of the
facilities until after 5 p.m. on Thursday the 19th, other than that
things seem to be okay.

I need to know quickly if the consensus is to try and move it to avoid
the Mother's Day weekend or to go ahead as originally planned.

Thanx for the feedback.

Al

Al,

The annual meeting has always conflicted with the Kentucky Derby (the first=20= Saturday in May for like the past 100 years). That's a medium-size sac= rifice for Louisvillians. However, blotting out Mothers Day would be R= EAL TROUBLE on a national scale. My vvote would be to move the date if= possible -- hope this is not an expensive change.

Thanks for being sensitive to this problem.

    = ;            &nb= sp;            Rick T= ipton - Louisville KY
            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;   Planning a new Panhandle Route in HO
(Pennsylvania RR Buckeye Div. 1966-1968)
            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;   And Remembering PRR Lines West
--part1_129.36850c84.2cff55a6_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: charliehoran@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:28:39 EST Subject: [PRR-FAX] Re: [PRRSignaling] PRRT&HS 2005 Annual Meeting Al: We have always tried religiously to avoid Mother's Day. I think we probably should continue to do that. However, seeing actual response to this situation will be interesting. My guess is that, even apart from those that are addressed on your message, attendance would be reduced if the date is not changed. I don't think the restrictions on facility availability until after 5 PM will generate any major problems. However, I do think it will present some issues. Typically, the Camp Hill site has not included Vendor room access on Thursday Evenings, except for a short Vendor setup period. The 5 PM restriction shouldn't be a real problem with that, assuming the pattern of the past is continued. But, early registrations are likely to be somewhat problematic. That problem might be "worked around" with some assistance from the hotel (temporary set up in the hotel lobby?). We probably do need to change the date! ceh ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Charles Blardone, Jr." Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 10:21:32 -0500 Subject: [PRR-FAX] Re: PRRT&HS 2005 Annual Meeting Al: It's a guessing game with the members. Personally, either is okay with me, as my mother and mother-in-law have both passed away and Carol will understand me not being around if we opt for Mother's Day weekend. It's hard to forecast what the members will think. Some will appreciate a move due to the conflict and others will grouse about moving the meeting from its customary time. If I have to vote, I vote to move it away from Mother's Day weekend. Chuck Al Buchan wrote: > Folks, > > > > As one of our members recently pointed out, the 2005 annual meeting at > Camp Hill will fall on Mother's Day weekend. Although we have a > contract with the Radisson for that weekend there is a possibility > that we could move it back to the weekend of 5/19-5/22. We could not > use any of the facilities until after 5 p.m. on Thursday the 19th, > other than that things seem to be okay. > > > > I need to know quickly if the consensus is to try and move it to avoid > the Mother's Day weekend or to go ahead as originally planned. > > > > Thanx for the feedback. > > > > Al > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:26:11 -0800 (PST) From: Geoffrey Van Dooren Subject: [PRR] Model Power Sharks From: ndbprr@att.net Subject: [PRR] MDC ore cars Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:40:52 +0000 From: "Al Buchan" Subject: RE: [PRR] MDC ore cars Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:25:11 -0500 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <120320032140.11401.4b22@att.net> Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: RE: Are the MDC HO ore cars fairly close to the PRR version? No not really close. There was an article years ago about how to make them more respectable PRR models. But as I recall it was a lot of work. And if you calculate time as money, you might be better off with the Stewart cars or maybe even wait until the Eel River Models of the G39/G39a come out. See Greg Martin's notice in September's issue of TKM. Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Al Buchan" Subject: RE: [PRR] MDC ore cars Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:17:34 -0500 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005d01c3b92d$f34a3720$06f70041@dial.home.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Ben, Thanx for the comparison - and yes I agree on the $7.48 extra/car being worth it. Life's too short to convert an inaccurate car into an accurate car when an accurate car exists in a fairly reasonable price range. Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Benjamin Frank Hom" Subject: Re: [PRR] MDC ore cars Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:44:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Norm asked: "Are the MDC HO ore cars fairly close to the PRR version? " Al replied: "No not really close." The two MDC ore gons are great models of SP Class G-100-1 ore cars but not of PRR Class G39/G39A. I've sent Al and Norm a side-by-side which graphically illustrates what Al's talking about. Contact me OFF-LIST if you want a copy. Al recommended: ...And if you calculate time as money, you might be better off with the Stewart cars or maybe even wait until the Eel River Models of the G39/G39a come out. YMMV, but an accurate model is certainly worth an extra $7.48 per car. (MSRP: MDC $8.50, Stewart $15.98). Ben Hom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! X-Original-From: "Dominic Mazoch" Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 02:18:46 GMT Subject: [PRR] From: Dominic Mazoch Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:45:14 -0500 From: "Vagel C. Keller, Jr." Subject: [PRR] Re: PRR Lines West niche market Content-Disposition: inline Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Earl Myers asked: >> Being fairly new to railroading and living at MP94.8 on the Ft. = >> Wayne.....why has there not been more published (than what is in typical >> PRR orientated books) about the PRR out here? and replied: > ... my opinion is, it's mostly demographics ... Also, railfan > photographers I know chose to shoot the quaint and unusual -- not > standard engines like on the Standard Railroad of the World. And some words about what (and where) photographers shot on the PRR. I now live in Pittsburgh, on the cusp, so to speak, and really have an interest in Lines West, but suffer from its lack of coverage. But, I am also a native of Chambersburg, PA, on the Cumberland Valley line. There is also a sad lack of coverage of this important secondary line in print after 1919, including structures, roster shots, and action shots. And during steam-to-diseasal declention -- er, transition -- it was a really neat mix of L1, Alco covered wagons, other butt-ugly EMD road switchers and d-e shifters, N5 and N6b's. The Hagerstown roundhouse was a joint PRR/NW roster shot cornucopia. Great local runs on the South Penn and Waynesboro branches. Lots of neat small industrial towns, wood-frame feed and grain/building supply/coal/sand/gravel dealerships, great trackside photo-ops with small and medium-size passenger stations as backdrops, LEMO/J tower, street running, etc, etc. Tons of industrial shifting in Chambersburg. And yet largely ignored by the "biggies" in the photography side of the railfan community. It just wasn't sexy enough. In other words, yinz Lines West guys, n'at, ain't alone in the "left out in the cold" crowd. Geez Louise! Well, at least there's a book (out of print) on the CV prior to 1919. That's something, at least. Vagel "born too late" Keller Pittsburgh ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "PGrace" Subject: Re: [PRR] Model Power Sharks Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 07:52:26 -0000 Geoffrey, Assuming they are the same as the ER Models/Roco model the couplings are = held in by friction pins that just pull out. Patrick=20 www.prr.org.uk www.scanrailsoc.org.uk ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Geoffrey Van Dooren=20 To: PRR talk list=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: [PRR] Model Power Sharks Hi list, I am looking at a Model Power Shark (made by Roco), so it crossed the = Atlantic twice and is now back in Europe, but I have no idea how to = remove the couplers. Some tips? Thanks, Geoffrey -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? 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Geoffrey,

Assuming they are the same as the ER = Models/Roco=20 model the couplings are held in by friction

pins that just pull out.

Patrick

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From:=20 Geoffrey Van Dooren =

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Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 9:26=20 PM

Subject: [PRR] Model Power = Sharks

Hi list,

I am looking at a Model Power Shark (made by Roco), so it crossed = the=20 Atlantic twice and is now back in Europe, but I have no idea how to = remove the=20 couplers.

Some tips?

Thanks,

Geoffrey

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= Free=20 Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C3BA3B.8F695E70-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Subject: [PRR] Large K4 mural Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 07:35:46 -0500 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Hi All, If you live in the Phila./South Jersey area, you will notice all the new Commerce Banks that have been built recently. They feature an 8' x 8' mural of a historic scene that is local to that bank on a very visible wall. The Commerce Bank that is on Rt. 30 White Horse Pike just south of the Atco movies has a modernized K4 pulling about 4 coaches that look like P70 in front of a station that is probably Berlin. The colors on the K4 look fine, but the coaches are a medium green with Oxide Red roofs. I don't know why. I am thinking it may have been an error on the graphics arts company that made the mural. It is still worth a quick look if you are in the area. Thanks Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Subject: RE: [PRR] Re: PRR Lines West niche market Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:30:09 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PRR] Re: PRR Lines West niche market Thread-Index: AcO6EpolvgggtZDDSuiWEBrOGfa7IgAYEuPQ From: "Cadwell, Marvin L" To: "Vagel C. Keller, Jr." , "PRR-Talk" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2003 14:30:09.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[1EF11FB0:01C3BA73] Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: I've seen a fair amount of colored photos in the Morning Sun-like books = of PRR's activities in Hagarstown, including the roundhouse, station, = and the yard. -----Original Message----- From: Vagel C. Keller, Jr. [mailto:vck@andrew.cmu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 8:45 PM To: PRR-Talk Subject: [PRR] Re: PRR Lines West niche market Earl Myers asked: >> Being fairly new to railroading and living at MP94.8 on the Ft. =3D >> Wayne.....why has there not been more published (than what is in = typical >> PRR orientated books) about the PRR out here? and replied: > ... my opinion is, it's mostly demographics ... Also, railfan > photographers I know chose to shoot the quaint and unusual -- not > standard engines like on the Standard Railroad of the World. And some words about what (and where) photographers shot on the PRR. I now live in Pittsburgh, on the cusp, so to speak, and really have an=20 interest in Lines West, but suffer from its lack of coverage. But, I am = also a native of Chambersburg, PA, on the Cumberland Valley line. There = is=20 also a sad lack of coverage of this important secondary line in print = after=20 1919, including structures, roster shots, and action shots. And during=20 steam-to-diseasal declention -- er, transition -- it was a really neat = mix=20 of L1, Alco covered wagons, other butt-ugly EMD road switchers and d-e=20 shifters, N5 and N6b's. The Hagerstown roundhouse was a joint PRR/NW=20 roster shot cornucopia. Great local runs on the South Penn and = Waynesboro=20 branches. Lots of neat small industrial towns, wood-frame feed and=20 grain/building supply/coal/sand/gravel dealerships, great trackside=20 photo-ops with small and medium-size passenger stations as backdrops,=20 LEMO/J tower, street running, etc, etc. Tons of industrial shifting in=20 Chambersburg. And yet largely ignored by the "biggies" in the = photography=20 side of the railfan community. It just wasn't sexy enough. In other words, yinz Lines West guys, n'at, ain't alone in the "left out = in=20 the cold" crowd. Geez Louise! Well, at least there's a book (out of=20 print) on the CV prior to 1919. That's something, at least. Vagel "born too late" Keller Pittsburgh ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 07:35:46 -0500 Subject: [PRR-FAX] Large K4 mural Hi All, If you live in the Phila./South Jersey area, you will notice all the new Commerce Banks that have been built recently. They feature an 8' x 8' mural of a historic scene that is local to that bank on a very visible wall. The Commerce Bank that is on Rt. 30 White Horse Pike just south of the Atco movies has a modernized K4 pulling about 4 coaches that look like P70 in front of a station that is probably Berlin. The colors on the K4 look fine, but the coaches are a medium green with Oxide Red roofs. I don't know why. I am thinking it may have been an error on the graphics arts company that made the mural. It is still worth a quick look if you are in the area. Thanks Bill ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Ted Andrews" Subject: [PRR] Armstrong Lever Question Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:31:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:14:06 -0600 Subject: Re: [PRR] Armstrong Lever Question From: Bruce Smith Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Thursday, December 4, 2003, at 09:31 AM, Ted Andrews wrote: > PRR- Listers: > > I was wondering if armstrong levers were sometimes interconnected such > that they would need to be thrown together. For example, two armstrong > levers, adjacent to on the interlocking machine, were mechanically > linked together so that both levers would be thrown simulateaously. > These levers were typically used in towers to turnouts, signals, and > blocking devices. Ted, For an OUTSTANDING primer on mechanical interlocking plants, see Bill Darnaby's article in the most recent MR. While I doubt that the answer to your question was yes very often, I guess it is possible. More often, the levers would require sequential activation to correctly set up a route. After all, they weren't called "armstrong" levers because you could move them with a finger...you were actually throwing the switch (yes, the "switch", the mobile part of a "turnout") when you pulled that lever! An example from Bill's article of sequential levers would be a lever that unlocked the switch and then a second lever to throw the switch. In some cases, One lever might do two things, like throw a switch and open a derail or throw two switches. My interlockings will all be "electropneumatic" Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 --Apple-Mail-6--94550089 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Thursday, December 4, 2003, at 09:31 AM, Ted Andrews wrote: PRR- Listers: I was wondering if armstrong levers were sometimes interconnected such that they would need to be thrown together. For example, two armstrong levers, adjacent to on the interlocking machine, were mechanically linked together so that both levers would be thrown simulateaously. These levers were typically used in towers to turnouts, signals, and blocking devices. Ted, For an OUTSTANDING primer on mechanical interlocking plants, see Bill Darnaby's article in the most recent MR. While I doubt that the answer to your question was yes very often, I guess it is possible. More often, the levers would require sequential activation to correctly set up a route. After all, they weren't called "armstrong" levers because you could move them with a finger...you were actually throwing the switch (yes, the "switch", the mobile part of a "turnout") when you pulled that lever! An example from Bill's article of sequential levers would be a lever that unlocked the switch and then a second lever to throw the switch. In some cases, One lever might do two things, like throw a switch and open a derail or throw two switches. My interlockings will all be "electropneumatic" < Happy Rails Bruce HelveticaBruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 --Apple-Mail-6--94550089-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Ted Andrews" Subject: Re: [PRR] Armstrong Lever Question Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:41:39 +0000 >From: Bruce Smith >Subject: Re: [PRR] Armstrong Lever Question >Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:14:06 -0600 From: "John Peters" Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:09:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR-FAX] Large K4 mural PRSL did use RDG coaches in summer but red roofs?................................boomer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Lane" To: "PRR Fax" ; "PRR Talk" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 7:35 AM Subject: [PRR-FAX] Large K4 mural > Hi All, > > If you live in the Phila./South Jersey area, you will notice all the new > Commerce Banks that have been built recently. They feature an 8' x 8' mural > of a historic scene that is local to that bank on a very visible wall. The > Commerce Bank that is on Rt. 30 White Horse Pike just south of the Atco > movies has a modernized K4 pulling about 4 coaches that look like P70 in > front of a station that is probably Berlin. The colors on the K4 look fine, > but the coaches are a medium green with Oxide Red roofs. I don't know why. I > am thinking it may have been an error on the graphics arts company that made > the mural. > > It is still worth a quick look if you are in the area. > > Thanks > Bill > > > > > "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. > > To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = > PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Coming soon will be 12 road numbers in the later "PRR Keystone" scheme. Part number has been assigned, so your dealer can take reservations. Don't miss out! ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: r.r.farquharson@att.net Subject: [PRR] T1 on the Middle Division Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:08:58 +0000 From: b.hom@att.net Subject: [PRR] Kids, Don't Try This at Home - Accurail PRR Reefer Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:19:22 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Subject: RE: [PRR] Second Run of P85's in HO Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:48:17 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PRR] Second Run of P85's in HO Thread-Index: AcO6o0x+Ub1HH+BKRFSMzeUPc2NfywAA5eRw From: "Cadwell, Marvin L" To: "Jerry Britton" , "PRR-Talk LIST" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2003 20:48:20.0263 (UTC) FILETIME=[F36A2370:01C3BAA7] Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: I noticed one problem associated with the HO version of these cars. It = appears as if the interior is comprised of a single molding similar to = that employed in the Rivarossi and Bachman cars to represent the seats. = Unfortunately, this interior moling on the Intermountain cars is not = always positioned properly. If one looks inside the windows of some of = the cars, it will be seen that seat backs located at the end of the cars = are higher than those in the middle. This would be simple matter to = fix, BUT, (I've been told) the roof has been glued on to the car sides, = and there is no easy way to get into the interior of the car. I saw several of these cars at the last flea market I visited, and = nearly all had this problem. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Britton [mailto:jerry@pennsyrr.com] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:39 PM To: PRR-Talk LIST Subject: [PRR] Second Run of P85's in HO For those salivating for even more of the built-up P85b's from=20 Centralia Car Shops (via Des Plaines Hobbies / InterMountain), the=20 second paint scheme has been announced. Coming soon will be 12 road=20 numbers in the later "PRR Keystone" scheme. Part number has been=20 assigned, so your dealer can take reservations. Don't miss out! ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. 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Thanks, Jeff Warner ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:08:44 -0600 Subject: Re: [PRR] Kids, Don't Try This at Home - Accurail PRR Reefer From: Bruce Smith Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Thursday, December 4, 2003, at 02:19 PM, b.hom@att.net wrote: > However, Accurail #4802 (Fruit Growers Express) is an excellent car for > Pennsy reefer blocks of the 1940s-1950s: > http://www.accurail.com/accurail/art/4800/4802.jpg Actually, I don't think so ! The car itself is an excellent model of the BREX reefer (or FGEX with a new unterframe), but the P&L on the #4802 accurail car is only suitable for post 1950's, and the reweigh date is 1962! Pennsy modelers of the 40's and 50's want the 5th Ave Car shops version of that car (under custom decorating on the Accurail site)....believe me...I have 3 of the Accurails ready for repaints, once the microscale decals come back into stock. Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us