From: "E. Mike" Subject: Re: [PRR] Zoo Tower Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 03:54:32 +0000 Its a green plastic catenary shield to protect workers et al from accidently comming into contact with the overhead wire of the track emerging from the underpass. It is standard equipment on everything that passes over an electrified line. >From: "John Cooper" >To: "PRR-TALK" >Subject: [PRR] Zoo Tower >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:42:43 -0800 > >Anyone know what is up with the green wall in the following picture of Zoo >Tower? >http://personalwebs.myriad.net/lruback/Philly/AMTK/AMTK_ZooTwr01.jpg > >BTW, there are good railfanning pictures of someone's trip to Philadelphia >at: >http://personalwebs.myriad.net/lruback/Philly/ > >John > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "parkvarieties" Subject: [PRR] For Sale Items Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 07:33:37 -0500 I have two items I would like to offer to listmembers. First is a factory sealed copy of Four Ways West Publishing's "Pennsylvania Railroad Color Pictorial Volume 3 - Chicago to Camden" by Dave Sweetland. Price is $35.95 plus Media Mail and optional insurance to your ZIP Code. Second item is a new in the box Proto 2000 HO PRR GP9 Ph. III; stock number 21643, enginre #7160. Price is $44.95 plus Parcel Post and optional insurance to your ZIP Code. If interested in either of these items, please contact me directly with your ZIP Code. Frank Brua ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:05:05 -0500 Subject: [PRR] Re: Project Update From: Jerry Britton Preston, Bruce: On 3/31/03 you wrote: > > Drawings arrived today... Glad everything is falling into place. It was unbelievably good timing that those drawings came available when they did, and the fact that the drive train has been worked out is a major breakthrough. As you know, this is what nixed the project twice before. I have confirmed painting & lettering diagrams coming from the other two roads, so we'll have those two schemes to offer in addition to the two Pennsy schemes. The fact that the PRR always ran them in pairs will certainly get us to our minimum orders faster. Remember, only need the trainphone on one of the two units. I doubt we'll have any problem given the expected price and inclusion of sound and DCC for the HO version. On the N scale version, since sound won't be possible, can we look at including DCC? There's certainly enough room. If not your decoder, perhaps an NCE decoder? Remember, the PRRT&HS convention is in four weeks. We really need to get part numbers and firm up road numbers by then. Look forward to hearing back from you. Thanks for all your hard work on this project! ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 08:15:22 -0600 From: Randy Williamson Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: Project Update --=====================_68344934==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed What Project? --=====================_68344934==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" What Project? --=====================_68344934==.ALT-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:28:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: Project Update From: Jerry Britton On 4/1/03 9:15 AM, Randy Williamson (pennsy@vbe.com) wrote: > What Project? Sorry, case of e-mail address "autofill" gone awry. Please disregard. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Jerry Shickler" Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: Project Update Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:38:21 -0500 Just checking my calendar... Jerry Shickler Visit the PRR E&P, P&E, & Chautauqua branch web page at: http://www.velocity.net/~geshick/prr/prrmain.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Britton" To: "Randy Williamson" ; "PRR-Talk LIST" Cc: "Bruce Smith" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: Project Update > On 4/1/03 9:15 AM, Randy Williamson (pennsy@vbe.com) wrote: > > > What Project? > > Sorry, case of e-mail address "autofill" gone awry. Please disregard. > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com > Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. > "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! > http://kc.pennsyrr.com > "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... > http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Chany, Christopher" Subject: RE: [PRR] Re: Project Update Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:01:19 -0500 As the forensic scientist on the list, looking at the evidence, I would say Centipedes from Broadway Limited. (Although the n-scale is new to Broadway) Chris Chany -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Britton [mailto:jerry@pennsyrr.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 9:05 AM To: PRR-Talk LIST Cc: Bruce Smith Subject: [PRR] Re: Project Update Preston, Bruce: On 3/31/03 you wrote: > > Drawings arrived today... Glad everything is falling into place. It was unbelievably good timing that those drawings came available when they did, and the fact that the drive train has been worked out is a major breakthrough. As you know, this is what nixed the project twice before. I have confirmed painting & lettering diagrams coming from the other two roads, so we'll have those two schemes to offer in addition to the two Pennsy schemes. The fact that the PRR always ran them in pairs will certainly get us to our minimum orders faster. Remember, only need the trainphone on one of the two units. I doubt we'll have any problem given the expected price and inclusion of sound and DCC for the HO version. On the N scale version, since sound won't be possible, can we look at including DCC? There's certainly enough room. If not your decoder, perhaps an NCE decoder? Remember, the PRRT&HS convention is in four weeks. We really need to get part numbers and firm up road numbers by then. Look forward to hearing back from you. Thanks for all your hard work on this project! ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:27:39 -0500 (EST) From: Derrick J Brashear Subject: RE: [PRR] Re: Project Update On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Chany, Christopher wrote: > As the forensic scientist on the list, looking at the evidence, I would say > Centipedes from Broadway Limited. (Although the n-scale is new to Broadway) As the sane guy, I'll go with "April Fooled" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 17:33:48 +0200 From: Burkhard Sanner Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: Project Update That would be Centipedes, guessing from the info given... Is this a new way to celebrate April 1st, raising expectations of the poor SPF family? Just say itīs not true, and I can relax again. ;-) Burkhard Sanner Jerry Britton schrieb: > On 4/1/03 9:15 AM, Randy Williamson (pennsy@vbe.com) wrote: > > > What Project? > > Sorry, case of e-mail address "autofill" gone awry. Please disregard. > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com > Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. > "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! > http://kc.pennsyrr.com > "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... > http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Chany, Christopher" Subject: RE: [PRR] Re: Project Update Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:43:45 -0500 Forgot it was April 1st, This ranks up there with "The Resin Rat" of a couple of years ago. Chris Chany -----Original Message----- From: Derrick J Brashear [mailto:shadow@dementia.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:28 AM To: PRR-Talk LIST Subject: RE: [PRR] Re: Project Update On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Chany, Christopher wrote: > As the forensic scientist on the list, looking at the evidence, I would say > Centipedes from Broadway Limited. (Although the n-scale is new to Broadway) As the sane guy, I'll go with "April Fooled" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ndbprr@att.net Subject: [PRR] April Fool's Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 15:56:18 +0000 To raise the hopes of all us SPF's like that is indeed a very cruel joke bordering on the humorless. May all your trains derail in the least accesible spot for that one. :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Chany, Christopher" Subject: RE: [PRR] Re-project update Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:46:32 -0500 Fred, Well at least this year we didn't have a link to a couple of photos of a gray painted brass loco claiming it was resin. Chris -----Original Message----- From: marlana freitas [mailto:mfreitas@sover.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 1997 4:27 AM To: PRR-talk@dsop.com Subject: [PRR] Re-project update Bob, Chris, drive train will again be delayed> Easter Bunny is tied up for the next six weeks. This moves production back until we can get the great pumpkin to ship the J-series. And to think that I was reallocating funds in my mind for over 3 minutes! Senior moment, being over 55. Could you arrange for the most inconvenient spot to be the middle level , 12 track, staging yard>>>that sounded about right to me. Fred in Vt. { and still more snow this a.m. - beginning to understand why Bill V. speaks so fondly of it.} ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:15:37 -0600 From: "Bruce F. Smith" Subject: RE: [PRR] Re-project update >Fred, > >Well at least this year we didn't have a link to a couple of photos of a >gray painted brass loco claiming it was resin. > >Chris Yeah, but boy the detail looked nice ...and we got nearly 30 requests to "reserve" models... Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:24:18 -0800 (PST) From: Ronald Di Orio Subject: [PRR] K-4 seats What material were the engineer's and fireman's seats in a K-4 made from? What color were they? Anyone know of a photo of the seats on line? Thanks. Ron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Ronald Di Orio Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:24:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PRR-FAX] K-4 seats What material were the engineer's and fireman's seats in a K-4 made from? What color were they? Anyone know of a photo of the seats on line? Thanks. Ron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Volkmer" Subject: [PRR] K-4 seats Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:58:15 -0500 All seat cushions were fabricated from a canvas like material that was covered on one side by black immitation leather. I had the upholstery shop fabricate a couple of camera cases using the material and I still have the cameras and bags, even though the 616 size film it used is no longer sold. WDV -----Original Message----- From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com] On Behalf Of Ronald Di Orio Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:24 PM To: PRR Fax; PRR Modeling; PRR Talk Subject: [PRR] K-4 seats What material were the engineer's and fireman's seats in a K-4 made from? What color were they? Anyone know of a photo of the seats on line? Thanks. Ron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Volkmer" Subject: [PRR] Not PRR but April Fool anyway Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:08:01 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2F858.1BA95D50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since we are all on the subject of April Fools, this one is currently circulating in the railroad circles. Thought you might enjoy the day. WDV MEMORANDUM 4-1-03 Subject: Restroom Upgrades Due to the rising cost of maintenance on the train onboard restrooms, strong consideration is being given to the following modifications to our tariffs in the future... Magnetic card readers will be installed on all restroom doors that can be actuated by a passenger inserting his/her currently valid ticket into the slot and turning the handle counterclockwise. ONLY PASSENGERS WITH VALID TICKETS will be admitted to the restrooms. If a passenger purchasing a ticket from a ticket vending machine feels that he/she will be needing to use the restroom during the trip, an upgraded ticket must be purchased by pressing the "upgrade" button on the TVM. The extra 25-cent surcharge will go towards restroom maintenance funding. A flashing light on the TVM will remind the passenger to MAKE THIS DECISION NOW! For those struck with a "sudden urge", we will be equipping the doors with a voice recognition sensor that will automatically unlock the restroom when it senses a person swearing under duress. Security officers are asked not to advise the passengers of this in advance, lest the privilege will be abused. In order to further ration the use of restrooms, timers will be installed with a three-minute warning buzzer. This will give the patron 30 seconds to "finish up" before the restroom door automatically flings open. As an additional incentive, 15 seconds following the warning buzzer, the toilet paper holders will retract and the toilets will automatically flush. It is hoped that this action will result in cleaner and more available restrooms, pleasing all patrons to no end. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2F858.1BA95D50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Since = we are all on=20 the subject of April Fools, this one is currently circulating in the = railroad=20 circles.
 
Thought you might=20 enjoy the day.
 
WDV
 

MEMORANDUM

 

 

4-1-03

 

 

Subject:           &nbs= p;           =20 Restroom Upgrades

 

Due to the rising cost of maintenance on the train onboard = restrooms,=20 strong consideration is being given to the following modifications to = our=20 tariffs in the future………

 

Magnetic card readers will be installed on all restroom doors = that can be=20 actuated by a passenger inserting his/her currently valid ticket into = the slot=20 and turning the handle counterclockwise. =20 ONLY PASSENGERS WITH VALID TICKETS will be admitted to the=20 restrooms.

 

If a passenger purchasing a ticket from a ticket vending = machine feels=20 that he/she will be needing to use the restroom during the trip, an = upgraded=20 ticket must be purchased by pressing the “upgrade” button on = the TVM.  The extra 25-cent surcharge = will go=20 towards restroom maintenance funding. =20 A flashing light on the TVM will remind the passenger to MAKE = THIS=20 DECISION NOW!

 

For those struck with a “sudden urge”, we will be = equipping the doors=20 with a voice recognition sensor that will automatically unlock the = restroom when=20 it senses a person swearing under duress. =20 Security officers are asked not to advise the passengers of this = in=20 advance, lest the privilege will be abused.

 

In order to further ration the use of restrooms, timers will be = installed=20 with a three-minute warning buzzer.  This will give the patron 30 = seconds to=20 “finish up” before the restroom door automatically flings = open.  As an additional incentive, 15 = seconds=20 following the warning buzzer, the toilet paper holders will retract and = the=20 toilets will automatically flush.

 

It is hoped that this action will result in cleaner and more = available=20 restrooms, pleasing all patrons to no end.

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2F858.1BA95D50-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Chany, Christopher" Subject: RE: [PRR] Re-project update Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:21:25 -0500 OK Jerry, Time to come clean and admit it's an April Fool Joke. Chris Chany ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 15:54:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] Re-project update From: Jerry Britton On 4/1/03 2:21 PM, Chany, Christopher (cpc1@westchestergov.com) wrote: > Time to come clean and admit it's an April Fool Joke. > > Yeah, yeah, so my imagination is shot. But do you know how much pressure is on me to pull off a good one? Gary Mittner jumped right on this one. Only took him about five minutes to tell me he'd been "waiting all morning" for my post! So what's your favorite been? The two that top my list are: * The first time, when I announced I was merging my site with the Internet's largest NYC site, to economize; * When NS was acquiring Conrail and I announced that legal parties out of Virginia told me to quit using the PRR logo as it would be coming back into use. Mark Bej, in on the joke, reported the same. Totally by coincidence, Bruce Smith's site was down. He went along with it, saying he was told to take it down. Boy did the speculation go wild on that one. I even got a call from a reporter out of Altoona! ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "William Bigler" Subject: [PRR] Re: Restroom Upgrades Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:20:06 -0500 I kind of like it. Another way for Amtrak to raise revenue. And those of us who don't want to bother with the "extra fare" coupon can just use the vestibules or showers on sleepers. Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:26:07 EST Subject: [PRR] April Fools Joke --part1_1c5.6ec218b.2bbb5def_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very glad this was a joke! One more Pennsy loco from BLI and I would need a second mortage and a divorce lawyer. Good one, Jerry B. and "crew". Evan Leisey RCT&HS 346 --part1_1c5.6ec218b.2bbb5def_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Very glad this was a joke!  One more Penns= y loco from BLI and I would need a second mortage and a divorce lawyer.

   Good one, Jerry B. and "crew".

Evan Leisey
RCT&HS  346 --part1_1c5.6ec218b.2bbb5def_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 16:47:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] April Fools Joke From: Jerry Britton > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3132060443_11642686 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 4/1/03 4:26 PM, "RDG2124@aol.com" wrote: > Very glad this was a joke! One more Pennsy loco from BLI and I would n= eed a > second mortage and a divorce lawyer. >=20 > Good one, Jerry B. and "crew". >=20 >=20 Some folks got downright nasty! Geez, lighten up! There may not be any centipedes now, but I gotta tell you, if I were considering switching to N scale today, it wouldn=B9t happen. Don=B9t get me wrong, N is going great, and my design totally fits my needs and will end u= p providing even more than I asked for. But since I switched, HO scalers have seen the release/announcements of R50b=B9s, M1=B9s, T1=B9s, J1=B9s, VO1000=B9s, G39=B9s, etc. Would be very tough to talk myself into that switch now! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@pennsyrr.com Member, PRRT&HS "Merchandise Service", a division of Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc., is a reseller of model railroad and railroadiana products. "MS" is also host to the web site "Keystone Crossings", the domain PENNSYRR.COM, and the mailing lists "PRR-Talk", "Conrail- Talk", and "Reading-Talk". When you purchase through "MS", you are providing financial support to these Internet endeavors. Please visit our eCommerce web site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ------------------------------Thank you!----------------------------- --B_3132060443_11642686 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [PRR] April Fools Joke On 4/1/03 4:26 PM, "RDG2124@aol.com" <RDG= 2124@aol.com> wrote:

 Very glad this = was a joke!  One more Pennsy loco from BLI and I would need a second mo= rtage and a divorce lawyer.

   Good one, Jerry B. and "crew".


Some folks got downright nasty! Geez, li= ghten up!

There may not be any centipedes now, but I gotta tell you, if I were consid= ering switching to N scale today, it wouldn’t happen. Don’t get = me wrong, N is going great, and my design totally fits my needs and will end= up providing even more than I asked for.

But since I switched, HO scalers have seen the release/announcements of R50= b’s, M1’s, T1’s, J1’s, VO1000’s, G39’s, = etc. Would be very tough to talk myself into that switch now!
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Jerry Britton, SPF      jerry@pennsyrr.com  &= nbsp;  Member, PRRT&HS

"Merchandise Service", a division of Desktop Solutions of
Pennsylvania, Inc., is a reseller of model railroad and railroadiana
products. "MS" is also host to the web site "Keystone Crossi= ngs",
the domain PENNSYRR.COM, and the mailing lists "PRR-Talk", "= Conrail-
Talk", and "Reading-Talk". When you purchase through "M= S", you are
providing financial support to these Internet endeavors. Please visit
our eCommerce web site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com.
------------------------------Thank you!-----------------------------
 --B_3132060443_11642686-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 18:11:05 -0500 From: Jerry Colman Subject: [PRR] Wanted Highline Back-Issues If anyone has a copy of "Highline" Vol. 1 or Vol 14 they would like to sell, please contact me off list at jcolman@on-net.net. Thanks, Jerry Colman ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Chany, Christopher" Subject: RE: [PRR] April Fools Joke Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:09:43 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2F918.9A6CEC9A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jerry wrote: There may not be any centipedes now, but I gotta tell you, if I were considering switching to N scale today, it wouldn't happen. Don't get me wrong, N is going great, and my design totally fits my needs and will end up providing even more than I asked for. But since I switched, HO scalers have seen the release/announcements of R50b's, M1's, T1's, J1's, VO1000's, G39's, etc. Would be very tough to talk myself into that switch now! Jerry and list: Didn't the buzz this generated prove that we need Centipedes! Broadway Limited are you listening? Chris Chany ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2F918.9A6CEC9A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Re: [PRR] April Fools Joke
 Jerry wrote: There may not be any centipedes now, but I gotta tell you, if I were considering switching to N scale today, it wouldn't happen. Don't get me wrong, N is going great, and my design totally fits my needs and will end up providing even more than I asked for.

But since I switched, HO scalers have seen the release/announcements of R50b's, M1's, T1's, J1's, VO1000's, G39's, etc. Would be very tough to talk myself into that switch now!
 
 Jerry and list:
 
Didn't the buzz this generated prove that we need Centipedes!  Broadway Limited are you listening?
 
 
Chris Chany
 
 
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I am trying to get a copy of the issue of the = Keystone=20 that had the first article on Renovo.  I have the issue with the = second=20 article from the 90's.  Not sure of date - early 80's or 70's I=20 think.  Also any Keystone with articles or significant coverage on=20 Williamsport.  Can anyone help?
 
Bill Bigler
Big Flats NY
Modeling PRR = Renovo=20 &
     Williamsport = WWII
------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C2F90A.234AF7A0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 19:43:52 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce F Smith Subject: RE: [PRR] April Fools Joke On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Chany, Christopher wrote: > Jerry wrote: There may not be any centipedes now, but I gotta tell you, if > I were considering switching to N scale today, it wouldn't happen. Don't get > me wrong, N is going great, and my design totally fits my needs and will end > up providing even more than I asked for. > Chris replied: > Jerry and list: > > Didn't the buzz this generated prove that we need Centipedes! Broadway > Limited are you listening? Chris, and all PRR-tlakers, As I indicated a couple of months ago, I am willing to push this project forward. Since that time I have recieved: 1) a stunning 16' long 3' wide drawing 2) complete roster information on the Seaboard units 3) photos (electronic) of the Seaborad schemes In addition, I have started to calalog detail variants (phases) on the PRR units. Still needed are paint and lettering diagrams for PRR, Seaboard, NdeM and roster info for the NdeM. Happy Rails (on the road - from PRR territory - Washington DC!) Bruce ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 21:16:09 -0500 From: Bill Lane Subject: [PRR] Looking for Jim Foster Hi All, I am looking for Jim Foster in the Philadelphia area. According to Frank Kozempel, he and Jim used to shoot the PRSL in the mid 50s. Frank also said that Jim sells O Scale trains. Jim, if you are on line, please contact me. If not, does anyone have a phone number? Thanks Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 08:39:53 -0500 From: "James L. McDaniel" Subject: [PRR] what is it? I was in Parksley yesterday, home of the Eastern Shore RR Museum. New to the grounds is a wood sided, steel outside braced tool or work car in rough shape but basically sound. I could find no markings anywhere, or anyone to talk to and ask about it. It looks like an X-23 to me based on drawings on at http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html with 4 small window per side and end doors. I have some digital photos but don't know how to post them on Jerry's site. Jim McDaniel, reporting from Delmarva ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 00:03:13 -0500 From: Gregory Vlassopoulos Jr Subject: [PRR] PRRTHS national meeting To everyon who have sent in registration forms: Originally, we were going to send a postcard to each registrant with a confimation number. I thought about it, and decided to only send a postcard to those who do not have an e-mail address to save the society mailing cost, postcard cost, and time. For everyone who is on this list, you will be receiving a confirmation e-mail within the next few days confirming your registration. Confirmation emails will go out according like the timely manner we are receiving the registrations. If a trip fills up, you will be notified so you can change your agenda accordingly. Your PRRTHS National membership number will be your confirmation number. For those bring their BETTER Halfs! a letter "b" will be placed after their own registration number unless the significant other is already a member. Thier were some concerns about the way the trips were listed in the flyer and how they appeared on the registration form (a slight mis-print). For the record: C & A trip A is the morning, Trip B is the afternoon. Juniata Terminal Trip A is the morning and Trip B is the afternoon. If you go with the way it is printed on the registration form, we will have no problems. So far, no problems have come up. The registration desk will have registration packets in alphabetical order. Everything is falling into place as expected. If you know people who do not have an e-mail address, you can let them know about the process or they can find out via snail mail. I look forward to meeting all of you at the meeting. See you in May. Greg Vlassopoulos, Jr. Registration Committee Chair. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Sam Vastano" Subject: [PRR] PRR Is it just me? Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 07:32:51 -0500 Is it just me or is there not have been any messages lately? Sam Vastano _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Charlie" Subject: [PRR] List master Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:01:09 -0500 Jerry, I have not received any postings since Wednesday, would check to see that my e-mail address has not been removed? Thanks Charlie ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bill Lane Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 08:14:38 -0500 Subject: [PRR-FAX] PRR X56 Hi All, I was corresponding with someone earlier this year that I thought was looking for PRR X56 photos. I did not have them then, but do now. Feel free to contact me if you are still interested. I just received 35 Builders photos that show the entire construction process very well, up to the completed cars. There was a lot of concentration on making the center sill that included a large cylinder that may have been hydraulic. It was definitely used in shock dampening somehow. Also included were the 3 views of the trucks used. While this car was built later then my modeling interests, it is still a PRR car, and it is very interesting to me to see the construction processes at work. Thanks Bill ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 08:14:38 -0500 From: Bill Lane Subject: [PRR] PRR X56 Hi All, I was corresponding with someone earlier this year that I thought was looking for PRR X56 photos. I did not have them then, but do now. Feel free to contact me if you are still interested. I just received 35 Builders photos that show the entire construction process very well, up to the completed cars. There was a lot of concentration on making the center sill that included a large cylinder that may have been hydraulic. It was definitely used in shock dampening somehow. Also included were the 3 views of the trucks used. While this car was built later then my modeling interests, it is still a PRR car, and it is very interesting to me to see the construction processes at work. Thanks Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 10:36:11 -0500 Subject: [PRR] We're Back! (We Think!) From: Listmaster After yet another three day bout with my ISP, saying it was at my end, the phone company finally came out and agreed that it was an ISP error. We're technically back online, but the immediate traffic is very heavy and things could be quite slow. Please be patient over the next few hours. Thanks. -------------------------------------- Listmaster Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc. http://www.dsop.com listmaster@dsop.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Eric Lauterbach" Subject: [PRR] Test Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 12:20:05 -0500

Just checking to see if the list is up. I have not received anything in a few days. The BLI GG1 is now listed as coming out this July. The Class A is now list as May. I wonder where this puts the M1a/b.
Eric
 
 
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----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 13:57:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] April Fools Joke From: Jerry Britton On 4/2/03 8:43 PM, "Bruce F Smith" wrote: > Still needed are paint and lettering diagrams for PRR, Seaboard, NdeM and > roster info for the NdeM. > Rails Northeast has the P&L diagrams for both BP60 and BH50. I have a copy that I was looking at last night. I think it was January 1980. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@pennsyrr.com Member, PRRT&HS "Merchandise Service", a division of Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc., is a reseller of model railroad and railroadiana products. "MS" is also host to the web site "Keystone Crossings", the domain PENNSYRR.COM, and the mailing lists "PRR-Talk", "Conrail- Talk", and "Reading-Talk". When you purchase through "MS", you are providing financial support to these Internet endeavors. Please visit our eCommerce web site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ------------------------------Thank you!----------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 14:06:16 -0500 Subject: [PRR] Cresson - Some Final Thoughts on Dates From: Jerry Britton I previously had indicated my research led me to believe the steam facility was still at Cresson circa 1954. Recently others led me to believe that was not the case. I am now certain I was correct, based on the following: 1) A valuation map current as of 1955 that shows "no changes" since 1948. It also shows the suggested removal of steam tracks and the suggested addition of diesel tracks. Since the diesel helpers were just being purchased in the late 1940's and early 1950's, it is doubtful that the facility would have converted immediately. 2) Steam service was alive and well on the Cresson-based branches well into the 1950's. They were serviced at Cresson and would have continued to need service. 3) Pat McKinney found a person who worked for the railroad out of Pitcairn through 1955. He recollected the steam shop was still there when he left. It was gone when he returned in 1964. 4) A valuation map current through 1958 that shows changes in '57 and '58. This leads me to believe the earliest change would have been 1957. 5) Under my nose the entire time was the January 1980 issue of Rails Northeast, with an article on the Cresson Roundhouse! The text is quite "iffy" and provides no exact dates. But more importantly are SEVERAL photos by Phil Hastings of the diesels being serviced right on the Gallitzin loop tracks in 1956. It is well documented that Hastings was photographing the area in 1956, so these dates are probably accurate. Therefore, It is my hypothesis that the facility changed from steam to diesel no earlier than 1957 and no later than 1958. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@pennsyrr.com Member, PRRT&HS "Merchandise Service", a division of Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc., is a reseller of model railroad and railroadiana products. "MS" is also host to the web site "Keystone Crossings", the domain PENNSYRR.COM, and the mailing lists "PRR-Talk", "Conrail- Talk", and "Reading-Talk". When you purchase through "MS", you are providing financial support to these Internet endeavors. Please visit our eCommerce web site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ------------------------------Thank you!----------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Steve Hoxie" Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR M1a/b [was: Test] Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:32:12 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_080F_01C2FB88.877F34E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Eric--Check Tony's Train Exchange for the latest. Go to http://www.ttx-dcc.com/locoreserve/broadway.htm Looks like August this year. Note that I am not suggesting you get your = M1 from him, but that is a good date summary. Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL ------=_NextPart_000_080F_01C2FB88.877F34E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Eric--Check Tony's Train Exchange = for the=20 latest.  Go to
 
http://www.ttx-d= cc.com/locoreserve/broadway.htm
 
Looks like August this year.  Note = that I am=20 not suggesting you get your M1 from him, but that is a good date=20 summary.
 
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL
------=_NextPart_000_080F_01C2FB88.877F34E0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 16:41:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR M1a/b [was: Test] From: "Jerry @ Pennsy" On Saturday, April 5, 2003, at 04:32 PM, Steve Hoxie wrote: > Hi Eric--Check Tony's Train Exchange for the latest.  Go to >   > http://www.ttx-dcc.com/locoreserve/broadway.htm >   > Looks like August this year.  Note that I am not suggesting you get > your M1 from him, but that is a good date summary. > Everyone needs to really take dates with a grain of salt. Just last week I received an "official dealer update" from BLI. It indicated that 7 of the GG-1 schemes would ship in the first release, instead of the 3 originally announced. The ETA was still holding from spring. Yet just days later, their web site now says July!!! I'm also amazed that, with the M slated for summer and the T slated for Fall, that the new NW2/SW7 are also scheduled for release this Fall. My advice: Don't hold your breath! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 19:21:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [PRR] Re- K4 & J1 Bell List, With the help from prr-talk member Steve Prosser, I now have a few sound samples of my Brass/Bronze PRR Bell and a Rolled Steel PRR Bell. Below are 2 .wav files. The first listed is the standard Brass/Bronze Bell, which is assumed to be from K4s 5389. The second is that of a Rolled Steel PRR J1 Bell, J1 number unknown. Plainly heard are the difference in the sounds. Warning, if you do not have a fast modem, please give them a few minutes to load and adjust your speakers accordingly. (note--these wav files really don't do the Bell sounds justice like one would hear if in person, but you will get the idea) K4s Bell: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/kbell.wav J1 Bell: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/jbell.wav A bit of history (from what I have been able to learn anyway) on the J1 Bell. Last year after I had purchased the Bell, the obvious question for me was to find out what Loco it came from. We know that 3 different PRR Class (and subclass) Steam Locos were built during the war. The Q's, T's and J's. Because of the War certain metals were in "rationed". Bell Brass Bronze was one of them. We do know however that the T's and Q's had Brass/Bronze Bells installed, photo evidence shows this. That meant the J1 was the only other candidate for this Steel Bell. Personal recollections also stated that the J1 Bell sounded different. More like todays diesels but with more of a "clung". After inspecting the J1 Bell further I noticed something strange. It looks like the Pennsy fabricated this Bell. One would have assumed it was made of 1 piece cast steel. It is not. The Bell was fabricated from 3 seperate pieces. First, you have 2 halves (rolled from plate steel). These were then welded together and the seams machined/ground flat. Then a top piece was machined with a cone then welded in place from the inside. That weld bead is plainly seen when looking in the inside. A standard PRR Air Clapper was then installed. I am not sure yet how the Bell was mounted behind the Pilot. I assume similar to the way diesel bells are mounted today with a flat plate. I just learned several days ago that when the J1's were retired, some Bells where then donated to other power. One was witnessed on a P5 Boxcab. That Clung Clung sound was unmistakenable. I will relay this sound bite to Broadway Limited Imports so they can sample the sound as well. This is the sound their new J needs to have. If QSI does not have this sound in their files, maybe a standard Diesel Bell wIll work? At least it would be better than a brass sounding bell that will most likely be used :-(......Gary Come visit my PRR Pages: Photos, Models, Historical Items and Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s, G5s and T1 WEB PAGES>>> PRR Loco Pics: http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com & http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html and...... PRR Pics, Memorabilia and Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 12:04:20 -0400 Subject: [PRR] BLI Update From: Jerry Britton Just yesterday I pointed out that the ETA's Broadway Limited was providing to their dealers (via a dealer mailing two weeks ago) conflicted with what is on their web site. I received another dealer mailing yesterday. It now syncs with the web site and indicates the GG-1's were bounced to July. HOWEVER, BLI has now announced April 30th as the final date for ordering GG-1's with guaranteed delivery. So if you want one, get your order in soon (somewhere). --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@pennsyrr.com Member, PRRT&HS "Merchandise Service", a division of Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc., is a reseller of model railroad and railroadiana products. "MS" is also host to the web site "Keystone Crossings", the domain PENNSYRR.COM, and the mailing lists "PRR-Talk", "Conrail- Talk", and "Reading-Talk". When you purchase through "MS", you are providing financial support to these Internet endeavors. Please visit our eCommerce web site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ------------------------------Thank you!----------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Huber25@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 14:18:29 EDT Subject: [PRR] Keystone --part1_198.1851bae6.2bc1c975_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone received the latest issue of the Keystone? I understand there was some type of computer problem and they were delayed. My last issue was Vol 35, #4, Winter 2002. Is there a more recent issue? Thanks, Roger Huber --part1_198.1851bae6.2bc1c975_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone received the latest issue of the Keystone?=20= I understand there was some type of computer problem and they were delayed.=20= My last issue was Vol 35, #4, Winter 2002. Is there a more recent issue?

Thanks,
Roger Huber --part1_198.1851bae6.2bc1c975_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 14:24:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Derrick J Brashear Subject: Re: [PRR] Keystone On Sun, 6 Apr 2003 Huber25@aol.com wrote: > Has anyone received the latest issue of the Keystone? I understand there was > some type of computer problem and they were delayed. My last issue was Vol > 35, #4, Winter 2002. Is there a more recent issue? A few days ago. (Trafford PA 15085) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 12:00:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Kisala Subject: [PRR] Color of M70b window grates Hello list, What color should the window grates be for the M70b? I'm almost done with my Bethelhem Car Works M70b. I've searched throughout the Spring 1993 Keystone; no color photos of the M70b there or in any of the Morning Sun Color guides. Doug __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 15:33:10 -0400 From: Bill Lane Subject: [PRR] driveshafts Hi All, Does anyone know where I can get drive shafts like this? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/driveshaft.jpg I know that Overland models come with them. I added the piece of brass square stock in a pinch. They are typically all plastic, and are telescopic. They need to be for all scales, since I need them for S Scale. Please reply to billlane@comcast.net Thanks Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "William Bigler" Subject: Re: [PRR] I gotta Complaint Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 16:18:49 -0400 Vince, Yes, I share your frustration, but there are several reasons behind what's in the Keystone. First, Chuck needs people to write the articles - he can only choose from what he's got on hand. Second, a lot of SPF's (slobbering Pennsy freaks) are really interested in the stuff that appears. Hopper cars that appear all the same to you and me are as different as night and day to others. As for some of those lists, lists of locomotive assignments or a CT-1000 (list of stations and sidings etc.) can keep me fascinated for hours on end. It's differences of opinion that make horse races and an interesting archive of Keystones. As I think back on past Keystones, there are issues I've nearly worn out going back to them again and again. So patience, Vince - Chuck will get to your areas of interest. If I remember correctly, aren't you Capt. Vinny, the retired towboat Captain? If so, why not get some help/guidance and research/write an article on the Pennsy's river crossings in the Steel City, for example? Or an article on how towboat loads and the Pennsy interfaced. Bet you shoved a lot of coal! Iron ore? Hope this somehow helps! Bill Bigler Big Flats NY Modeling PRR Renovo & Williamsport WWII ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vince Miller" To: "PRR Talk" Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 4:16 PM Subject: [PRR] I gotta Complaint > I have been recieving the Keystone for maybe 4-5 years , I'm not > quite sure . I've had this PRR talk maybe two years . I am not , by any > stretch of the imagination , a railroad nut , and I don't mean that as a > put down to any of You . I just don't have the knowlege most of you have > about railroads , let alone the Pennsy . > I got interested as a kid , and have loved Trains ever since . In a > bookstore , I ran into two booklets " The Pennsy in the Steel City" and > The Pennsylvania Railroad's Golden Triangle " These two little books > are fantastic , especially so because I live here in the X-Steel City . > Soon after I found out about the Keystone , I joined , and have been a > member ever since . > Now for my complaint , Some of the Magazines articles are very > interesting , some not so . This latest is almost entirely about Dining > Cars , another was mostly about Hopper Cars . I am sure some people > put lots of time , and work into the projects , and did a thorough Job , > so why is there a picture of a "K4" on the cover ? I suppose all those > lists are important , same with the Hopper Car article , all I got from > it was all Hopper Cars look alike , except for miner details . Seems to > me there must still be lots of former Pennys Rail-road Workers out there > who have great stories to tell , so why not more of that kind of stuff ? > One thing I'd like to see is more articles about Individual Branches . > Vince Miller > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "edmund burbage" Subject: [PRR] Keystone Magazine Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 16:23:55 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2FC58.EBACFEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I received my Spring issue last Thursday. I was looking for an article I = had written that was to be in this issue, it wasn't. 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I received my Spring issue last Thursday. I was looking for an = article I=20 had written that was to be in this issue, it wasn't.
 
Lee BURBAGE
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2FC58.EBACFEE0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "edmund burbage" Subject: [PRR] Keystone Complaint Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 16:32:12 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2FC5A.13CAA8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vince Miller registered his complaint about the Keystone. I too was = disappointed. I have worked on 4 different Railroads Including the = Pennsy and I have tried to write short but interesting articles about = the Railroad down here on the Delmarva Peninsula for the readres. It is kinda hard to get any articles printed but by the same token the = Editor does the best he can in the situation of having so many articles = to choose from to print in the magazine. I like Mr. Miller don't really = favor an issue all about one particular Car but sometimes it has to be = if we like it or not. All things taken into account where can we find a magazine that is = devoted to the Pennsylvania Railroad so completely? Lee Burbage BMCM USCG-Ret. And Ex-Railroader. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2FC5A.13CAA8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Vince Miller registered his complaint about the Keystone. I too was = disappointed. I have worked on 4 different Railroads Including the = Pennsy and I=20 have tried to write short but interesting articles about the Railroad = down here=20 on the Delmarva Peninsula for the readres.
 
It is kinda hard to get any articles printed but by the same token = the=20 Editor does the best he can in the situation of having so many articles = to=20 choose from to print in the magazine. I like Mr. Miller don't really = favor an=20 issue all about one particular Car but sometimes it has to be if we like = it or=20 not.
 
All things taken into account where can we find a magazine that is = devoted=20 to the Pennsylvania Railroad so completely?
 
Lee Burbage
BMCM USCG-Ret.
 
And Ex-Railroader.
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I still haven't receiv= ed my Spring issue but I did receive the Annual Meeting registration package= ....

I received the Spring issue of the Keystone yesterday. The entire issue is = an excellent article on the D78 class diners by Chuck Blardone. He did an aw= esome job and this article will be of great use to those modeling passenger = service.
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"Merchandise Service", a division of Desktop Solutions of
Pennsylvania, Inc., is a reseller of model railroad and railroadiana
products. "MS" is also host to the web site "Keystone Crossi= ngs",
the domain PENNSYRR.COM, and the mailing lists "PRR-Talk", "= Conrail-
Talk", and "Reading-Talk". When you purchase through "M= S", you are
providing financial support to these Internet endeavors. Please visit
our eCommerce web site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com.
------------------------------Thank you!-----------------------------
 --B_3132499468_5960581-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 18:46:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] I gotta Complaint From: Jerry Britton On 4/7/03 4:16 PM, "Vince Miller" wrote: > One thing I'd like to see is more articles about Individual Branches . If the press can't satisfy you, you may not be aware of the "Hobo's Guide to the Pennsy" section of my Keystone Crossings web site. It has histories of dozens of branches and a I am always interested in publishing more. Take a look... http://kc.pennsyrr.com/guide/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@pennsyrr.com Member, PRRT&HS "Merchandise Service", a division of Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc., is a reseller of model railroad and railroadiana products. "MS" is also host to the web site "Keystone Crossings", the domain PENNSYRR.COM, and the mailing lists "PRR-Talk", "Conrail- Talk", and "Reading-Talk". When you purchase through "MS", you are providing financial support to these Internet endeavors. Please visit our eCommerce web site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ------------------------------Thank you!----------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: zootowerprr@webtv.net Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] Price on "Pennsy Power 2" Can anyone tell me the going price for a first edition Pennsy Power 2 book in mint condition is now a days? And is the book still in print? Thanks in advance, Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 20:10:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Price on "Pennsy Power 2" From: "Jerry @ Pennsy" Book has been out of print for many years. Al Stouffer told me personally it would not be reprinted because the majority of its content went into PP3 as well. On Sunday, April 6, 2003, at 07:35 PM, zootowerprr@webtv.net wrote: > Can anyone tell me the going price for a first edition Pennsy > Power > 2 book in mint condition is now a days? And is the book still in print? > Thanks in advance, ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: zootowerprr@webtv.net Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 21:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [PRR] Price on "Pennsy Power 2" Thanks Guys....... I want to replace my old and beat up copy of Pennsy Power 2. I saw one today at the Timonium train show and went to purchase it. The guy wanted 150.00 for the book. OUCH!!! I passed. Maybe I'll see one at the PRRT&HS Annual meet. Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 21:11:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Price on "Pennsy Power 2" From: "Jerry @ Pennsy" Some of the used book vendors at the convention are greedy. You may or may not do better there. I bought mine on eBay for about $30. On Sunday, April 6, 2003, at 09:04 PM, zootowerprr@webtv.net wrote: > I want to replace my old and beat up copy of Pennsy Power 2. I > saw > one today at the Timonium train show and went to purchase it. The guy > wanted 150.00 for the book. OUCH!!! > I passed. > Maybe I'll see one at the PRRT&HS Annual meet. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gregg Mahlkov" Subject: Re: [PRR] Price on "Pennsy Power 2" Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 21:41:07 -0400 List, I'm on the board of the local Friends of the Public Libraries and got Pennsy Power II and two other steam locomotive books, including the Baldwin Locomotive Works history for $2.00 for all 3. I didn't get a lower price, I only got the chance to look through the surplus books before the public did at a book sale. Talk about serendiipity. Gregg Mahlkov ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry @ Pennsy" To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] Price on "Pennsy Power 2" > Some of the used book vendors at the convention are greedy. You may or > may not do better there. I bought mine on eBay for about $30. > > On Sunday, April 6, 2003, at 09:04 PM, zootowerprr@webtv.net wrote: > > > I want to replace my old and beat up copy of Pennsy Power 2. I > > saw > > one today at the Timonium train show and went to purchase it. The guy > > wanted 150.00 for the book. OUCH!!! > > I passed. > > Maybe I'll see one at the PRRT&HS Annual meet. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Craig Williams" Subject: Re: [PRR] I gotta Complaint Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 22:30:23 -0400 Vince Miller wrote: One thing I'd like to see is more articles about Individual Branches . My question to Vince Miller is, why don't you write such an article? Craig Williams ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 09:25:31 -0400 From: "Andrew S. Miller" Subject: Re: [PRR] driveshafts Bill, Have you tried Athearn's drive parts? They have several styles of telescoping universal drive shafts for their pre Genisis diesels. They are inexpensive, rugged, quiet, and usually in stock. Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org ================================================== Bill Lane wrote: > Hi All, > > Does anyone know where I can get drive shafts like this? > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/driveshaft.jpg I know that Overland > models come with them. I added the piece of brass square stock in a pinch. > They are typically all plastic, and are telescopic. They need to be for all > scales, since I need them for S Scale. > > Please reply to billlane@comcast.net > > Thanks > Bill > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "William Bigler" Subject: Re: [PRR] Price on "Pennsy Power 2" Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 13:27:13 -0400 A convention of two ago I remember seeing Al Stauffer with most of his books for sale (and happy to autograph them). Otherwise check Jerry's Merchandise Service, Strassberg RR. Bookstore, or Amazon.com. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 7:35 PM Subject: [PRR] Price on "Pennsy Power 2" > > Can anyone tell me the going price for a first edition Pennsy Power > 2 book in mint condition is now a days? And is the book still in print? > Thanks in advance, > > Dave > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:52:09 -0400 Subject: [PRR] Northern Central Chapter Meeting This Coming Sunday From: Jerry Britton This coming Sunday, April 13th, the Northern Central Chapter of the PRRT&HS will meet at 1:30 p.m. at the Otterbein United Methodist Church, York, Pa. Following the business meeting will be shown a video tape of a presentation Ed (?) Wrable gave at the 1995 convention on the PRR's Maryland Division. He authored the feature length article on Baltimore that appeared in The Keystone around the same time. You do not need to be a member to attend. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "PGrace" Subject: Re: [PRR] Price on "Pennsy Power 2" Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:01:26 +0100 Dave, I managed to pick up a copy for STG35 ( aboust us$ 56) last November Patrick www.prr.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 12:35 AM Subject: [PRR] Price on "Pennsy Power 2" > > Can anyone tell me the going price for a first edition Pennsy Power > 2 book in mint condition is now a days? And is the book still in print? > Thanks in advance, > > Dave > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 16:16:35 -0400 From: Vince Miller Subject: [PRR] I gotta Complaint I have been recieving the Keystone for maybe 4-5 years , I'm not quite sure . I've had this PRR talk maybe two years . I am not , by any stretch of the imagination , a railroad nut , and I don't mean that as a put down to any of You . I just don't have the knowlege most of you have about railroads , let alone the Pennsy . I got interested as a kid , and have loved Trains ever since . In a bookstore , I ran into two booklets " The Pennsy in the Steel City" and The Pennsylvania Railroad's Golden Triangle " These two little books are fantastic , especially so because I live here in the X-Steel City . Soon after I found out about the Keystone , I joined , and have been a member ever since . Now for my complaint , Some of the Magazines articles are very interesting , some not so . This latest is almost entirely about Dining Cars , another was mostly about Hopper Cars . I am sure some people put lots of time , and work into the projects , and did a thorough Job , so why is there a picture of a "K4" on the cover ? I suppose all those lists are important , same with the Hopper Car article , all I got from it was all Hopper Cars look alike , except for miner details . Seems to me there must still be lots of former Pennys Rail-road Workers out there who have great stories to tell , so why not more of that kind of stuff ? One thing I'd like to see is more articles about Individual Branches . Vince Miller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 17:10:27 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: [PRR] Price on "Pennsy Power 2" Al also usually has a table/display at the York TCA show which will be held April 25th and 26th this year. Bill morlitz >William Bigler wrote: > > A convention of two ago I remember seeing Al Stauffer with most of his books > for sale (and happy to autograph them). Otherwise check Jerry's Merchandise > Service, Strassberg RR. Bookstore, or Amazon.com. > > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 7:35 PM > Subject: [PRR] Price on "Pennsy Power 2" > > > > > Can anyone tell me the going price for a first edition Pennsy Power > > 2 book in mint condition is now a days? And is the book still in print? > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bennett Levin" Subject: [PRR] Beware Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:12:17 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2FD31.3904B5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Currently on auction on E-bay are several items that Eric and I believe = have been improperly removed from our collections and are being offered = for sale without our consent. We are currently taking steps through the = justice system to try to recover our property. The items currently offered are a PRR ink well that was purchased at a = Mauer Auction, A big Wheels in Safety Award, and several files of PRR = builder's photographs. While there is not much that can be done at this time to stop the sale = of these items I want everyone to know we are taking steps to recover = our property. We also believe that this has been going on for a protracted period of = time, and that Eric and I are not the only victims of this = misappropiation of property and its conversion and sale on E-bay by the = party that is offering them for sale. Bennett Levin Click here: eBay item 2168989047 (Ends Apr-13-03 17:00:00 PDT ) - 12 = RARE PRR RAILROAD PHOTOS BUSINESS CAR Z74=20 Click here: eBay item 2168756571 (Ends Apr-13-03 17:00:00 PDT ) - 5 RARE = PRR RAILROAD BLDR PHOTOS X54A BOXCAR=20 Click here: eBay item 2169012694 (Ends Apr-13-03 17:00:00 PDT ) - RARE = PRR 1800'S RAILROAD INK WELL AWESOME=20 Click here: eBay item 3217617023 (Ends Apr-13-03 17:00:00 PDT ) - 30 PRR = RAILROAD PULLMAN ACF BUILDERS PHOTOS=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2FD31.3904B5B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Currently on auction on E-bay are = several items=20 that Eric and I believe have been improperly removed from our = collections and=20 are being offered for sale without our consent. We are currently taking = steps=20 through the justice system to try to recover our property.
 
The items currently offered are a PRR = ink well that=20 was purchased at a Mauer Auction, A big Wheels in Safety Award, and = several=20 files of PRR builder's photographs.
 
While there is not much that can be = done at this=20 time to stop the sale of these items I want everyone to know we are = taking steps=20 to recover our property.
 
We also believe that this has been = going on for a=20 protracted period of time, and that Eric and I are not the = only=20 victims of this misappropiation of property and its conversion and sale = on E-bay=20 by the party that is offering them for sale.
 
 
Bennett Levin
 
 
Click here: eBay item 2168989047 (Ends Apr-13-03 = 17:00:00 PDT=20 ) - 12 RARE PRR RAILROAD PHOTOS BUSINESS CAR Z74
 
Click here: eBay item 2168756571 (Ends Apr-13-03 = 17:00:00 PDT=20 ) - 5 RARE PRR RAILROAD BLDR PHOTOS X54A BOXCAR

Click here: eBay item 2169012694 (Ends Apr-13-03 = 17:00:00 PDT=20 ) - RARE PRR 1800'S RAILROAD INK WELL AWESOME=20
 
Click here: eBay item 3217617023 (Ends Apr-13-03 = 17:00:00 PDT=20 ) - 30 PRR RAILROAD PULLMAN ACF BUILDERS PHOTOS
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2FD31.3904B5B0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bennett Levin" Subject: [PRR] Beware Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:15:24 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2FD31.A89C0FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Currently on auction on E-bay are several items that Eric and I believe = have been improperly removed from our collections and are being offered = for sale without our consent. We are currently taking steps through the = justice system to try to recover our property. The items currently offered are a PRR ink well that was purchased at a = Mauer Auction, A big Wheels in Safety Award, and several files of PRR = builder's photographs. While there is not much that can be done at this time to stop the sale = of these items I want everyone to know we are taking steps to recover = our property. We also believe that this has been going on for a protracted period of = time, and that Eric and I are not the only victims of this = misappropiation of property and its conversion and sale on E-bay. Bennett Levin Click here: eBay item 2168989047 (Ends Apr-13-03 17:00:00 PDT ) - 12 = RARE PRR RAILROAD PHOTOS BUSINESS CAR Z74=20 Click here: eBay item 2168756571 (Ends Apr-13-03 17:00:00 PDT ) - 5 RARE = PRR RAILROAD BLDR PHOTOS X54A BOXCAR=20 Click here: eBay item 2169012694 (Ends Apr-13-03 17:00:00 PDT ) - RARE = PRR 1800'S RAILROAD INK WELL AWESOME=20 Click here: eBay item 3217629099 (Ends Apr-13-03 17:00:00 PDT ) - RARE = PRR RAILROAD AWARD "BIG WHEELERS "=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2FD31.A89C0FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Currently on auction on E-bay are = several items=20 that Eric and I believe have been improperly removed from our = collections and=20 are being offered for sale without our consent. We are currently taking = steps=20 through the justice system to try to recover our property.
 
The items currently offered are a PRR = ink well that=20 was purchased at a Mauer Auction, A big Wheels in Safety Award, and = several=20 files of PRR builder's photographs.
 
While there is not much that can be = done at this=20 time to stop the sale of these items I want everyone to know we are = taking steps=20 to recover our property.
 
We also believe that this has been = going on for a=20 protracted period of time, and that Eric and I are not the = only=20 victims of this misappropiation of property and its conversion and sale = on=20 E-bay.
 
 
Bennett Levin
 
Click here: eBay item 2168989047 (Ends Apr-13-03 = 17:00:00 PDT=20 ) - 12 RARE PRR RAILROAD PHOTOS BUSINESS CAR Z74
 
Click here: eBay item 2168756571 (Ends Apr-13-03 = 17:00:00 PDT=20 ) - 5 RARE PRR RAILROAD BLDR PHOTOS X54A BOXCAR

Click here: eBay item 2169012694 (Ends Apr-13-03 = 17:00:00 PDT=20 ) - RARE PRR 1800'S RAILROAD INK WELL AWESOME=20
 

Click here: eBay item 3217629099 (Ends Apr-13-03 = 17:00:00 PDT=20 ) - RARE PRR RAILROAD AWARD "BIG WHEELERS "=20
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Mike Schock
Sandusky, Ohio
Modeling The PRR and some B&O in the Transition period
NMRA 122734 00 since Jan. 2001


 --part1_1e5.63b9de7.2bc3542c_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:02:14 EDT Subject: [PRR] Critiquing the Keystone --part1_151.1df51c47.2bc37996_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/7/03 1:11:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, PRR-Talk@dsop.com writes: > Now for my complaint , Some of the Magazines articles are very > interesting , some not so . This latest is almost entirely about Dining > Cars , another was mostly about Hopper Cars . I am sure some people > put lots of time , and work into the projects , and did a thorough Job , > so why is there a picture of a "K4" on the cover ? I suppose all those > lists are important , same with the Hopper Car article , all I got from > it was all Hopper Cars look alike , except for miner details . Seems to > me there must still be lots of former Pennys Rail-road Workers out there > who have great stories to tell , so why not more of that kind of stuff ? > One thing I'd like to see is more articles about Individual Branches . > Vince Miller Hi Vince, You ask good and valid questions. I probably shouldn't put in my 2 cents worth (I'm the criminal that wrote the extremely long article on covered hopper car lettering in 2000), but let me offer some comments on Keystone article content: 1. The magazine is written by the members. Every article is researched, written, and usually has pictures provided by the author. Thus, what you will see is a series of pieces on things that one person thought was worthwhile to present. 2. The magazine is edited and moderated by a volunteer named Chuck Blardone. As editor, Chuck has the almost thankless job of editing, supplementing with photos, formatting for publication, and whatever else it takes to get the magazine to the printers. Often, as you've noted, he will use a cover (and often back cover) that doesn't dovetail with the contents. It may happen that the photos provided by the authors just didn't include a good vertical suitable as the front cover. In addition, he brings along newbie authors like me -- and almost never loses his temper. This gentlemen does this job as far as I can see because he's qualified to do it and loves turning out a first-rate product for the Society. Of course, Chuck is just one of the hardworking volunteers that makes the PRRT&HS an outstanding organization. 3. The Keystone in particular and any magazine in general deals with many subjects in its lifetime. Over the years, many articles on engines, rolling stock, key sites, not-so-key branch lines, buildings, and the people of the Pennsy have already appeared. You're coming in in the middle of the process -- with many subjects covered to some degree, and for that matter with some of our original experts/authors gone to their reward. I'd suggest that no one is likely to be enthralled with each article, but each article has its enthusiasts -- and the body of knowledge on the Pennsy is increased. Also, don't be surprised to go back to old issues and find out that which didn't thrill you then is a winner now. 4. Bottom line -- the magazine, like the Society, is very much what we elect to make of it. I'm told by my friends that the Keystone is a best-of-kind -- for UP or C&O modelers to say it's a good magazine is praise indeed. I'm glad your'e concerned with content and appeal -- that bodes well for the future. As new folks join the Society, I think they need to take their place as students of the Pennsy, informed critics of the Keystone's articles, and ultimately writers of articles themselves. The ultimate tragedy for the Keystone would be if its readers don't care about its content -- fortunately, I don't see that happening any time soon. 5. You mention you're interested in some branch lines. I'd love to know more about those around Pittsburgh, where you live. You can shake a lot of info loose here on PRR-Talk. Ask questions about your Pennsy neighborhood, and then follow up any leads into books, magazines, the Internet sites, and to nearby libraries. Once your research is gathered and starts to make sense, you might decide to write the article, or through Chuck Blardone seek an author who could co-write with you. I think Chuck would agree with me that it's good to stay dissatisfied with the Keystone -- that way, we can look forward to improving it. Hope to meet you at an annual meeting, this year or maybe next year upriver in Cincinnati... Rick Tipton Louisville KY Remembering the Pennsylvania Railroad and especially PRR Lines West --part1_151.1df51c47.2bc37996_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 4/7/03 1:11:24 AM Eastern Daylight=20= Time, PRR-Talk@dsop.com writes:


Now for my  complaint , So= me of the Magazines articles are very
interesting , some not so . This latest is almost entirely about Dining
Cars , another  was mostly about Hopper Cars .  I am sure some peo= ple
put lots of time , and work into the projects , and did a thorough Job ,
so why is there a picture of a "K4" on the cover ? I suppose all those
lists are important , same with the Hopper Car article , all I got from
it was all Hopper Cars look alike , except for miner details . Seems to
me there must still be lots of former Pennys Rail-road Workers out there
who have great stories to tell , so why not more of that kind of stuff ?
One thing I'd like to see is more articles about Individual Branches .
       Vince Miller


Hi Vince,

You ask good and valid questions.  I probably shouldn't put in my 2 cen= ts worth (I'm the criminal that wrote the extremely long article on covered=20= hopper car lettering in 2000), but let me offer some comments on Keystone ar= ticle content:

1.  The magazine is written by the members.  Every article is rese= arched, written, and usually has pictures provided by the author.  Thus= , what you will see is a series of pieces on things that one person thought=20= was worthwhile to present.

2.  The magazine is edited and moderated by a volunteer named Chuck Bla= rdone.   As editor, Chuck has the almost thankless job of editing,= supplementing with photos, formatting for publication, and whatever else it= takes to get the magazine to the printers.  Often, as you've noted, he= will use a cover (and often back cover) that doesn't dovetail with the cont= ents.  It may happen that the photos provided by the authors just didn'= t include a good vertical suitable as the front cover.

In addition, he brings along newbie authors like me -- and almost never lose= s his temper.  This gentlemen does this job as far as I can see because= he's qualified to do it and loves turning out a first-rate product for the=20= Society.  Of course, Chuck is just one of the hardworking volunteers th= at makes the PRRT&HS an outstanding organization.

3.  The Keystone in particular and any magazine in general deals with m= any subjects in its lifetime.  Over the years, many articles on engines= , rolling stock, key sites, not-so-key branch lines, buildings, and the peop= le of the Pennsy have already appeared.  You're coming in in the middle= of the process -- with many subjects covered to some degree, and for that m= atter with some of our original experts/authors gone to their reward. =20= I'd suggest that no one is likely to be enthralled with each article, but ea= ch article has its enthusiasts -- and the body of knowledge on the Pennsy is= increased.  Also, don't be surprised to go back to old issues and find= out that which didn't thrill you then is a winner now.

4.  Bottom line -- the magazine, like the Society, is very much what we= elect to make of it.  I'm told by my friends that the Keystone is a be= st-of-kind -- for UP or C&O modelers to say it's a good magazine is prai= se indeed.  I'm glad your'e concerned with content and appeal -- that b= odes well for the future.  As new folks join the Society, I think they=20= need to take their place as students of the Pennsy, informed critics of the=20= Keystone's articles, and ultimately writers of articles themselves.  Th= e ultimate tragedy for the Keystone would be if its readers don't care about= its content -- fortunately, I don't see that happening any time soon.

5.  You mention you're interested in some branch lines.  I'd love=20= to know more about those around Pittsburgh, where you live.  You can sh= ake a lot of info loose here on PRR-Talk.  Ask questions about your Pen= nsy neighborhood, and then follow up any leads into books, magazines, the In= ternet sites, and to nearby libraries.  Once your research is gathered=20= and starts to make sense, you might decide to write the article, or through=20= Chuck Blardone seek an author who could co-write with you.

I think Chuck would agree with me that it's good to stay dissatisfied with t= he Keystone -- that way, we can look forward to improving it.  Hope to=20= meet you at an annual meeting, this year or maybe next year upriver in Cinci= nnati...


Rick Tipton
Louisville KY
Remembering the Pennsylvania Railroad and especially PRR Lines West <= /HTML> --part1_151.1df51c47.2bc37996_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 23:44:38 -0400 From: Vince Miller Subject: Re: [PRR] I gotta Complaint I guess I stirred up the bean pot with my remark about the Keystone , being boring once in a while ,well I'm sorry , but it is . As for your suggestion about me writing an article about a branch line , I'll look into it , maybe I will !! I'm interested in the Branch from Bradley Junction to Cherrytree . Have any idea where I could find any information . I don't even know the name of it , so you see I have a long way to go . I really look forward to getting my Keystone every quarter , so I'm sorry if I hurt some feelings , but some of this is far too detailed for me . Vince Miller Craig Williams wrote: > Vince Miller wrote: > > One thing I'd like to see is more articles about Individual Branches . > > > My question to Vince Miller is, why don't you write such an article? > > Craig Williams ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 12:54:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Di Orio Subject: [PRR] Streamlined Steam No responses received on this query, so I thought I'd try again. Does anyone know if any of the streamlined K-4s assigned to St. Louis trains ever ran all the way east to Pittsburgh, or vice versa, running from Pittsburgh to St Louis? Thank you. Ron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Ronald Di Orio Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 12:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PRR-FAX] Streamlined Steam No responses received on this query, so I thought I'd try again. Does anyone know if any of the streamlined K-4s assigned to St. Louis trains ever ran all the way east to Pittsburgh, or vice versa, running from Pittsburgh to St Louis? Thank you. Ron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Save Smiley. Help put Messenger back in the office. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4PqtEC/anyFAA/i5gGAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Andrew S. Miller" Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:32:39 -0400 Subject: [PRR-FAX] Re: [PRR] Streamlined Steam Ron, I have no specific data on that, but I don't think ANY steam ever ran that far. How far is Pittsburgh to St. Louis - 600 miles +/-? Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org ================================================== Ronald Di Orio wrote: > No responses received on this query, so I thought I'd > try again. Does anyone know if any of the streamlined > K-4s assigned to St. Louis trains ever ran all the way > east to Pittsburgh, or vice versa, running from > Pittsburgh to St Louis? Thank you. Ron ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Save Smiley. Help put Messenger back in the office. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4PqtEC/anyFAA/i5gGAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:32:39 -0400 From: "Andrew S. Miller" Subject: Re: [PRR] Streamlined Steam Ron, I have no specific data on that, but I don't think ANY steam ever ran that far. How far is Pittsburgh to St. Louis - 600 miles +/-? Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org ================================================== Ronald Di Orio wrote: > No responses received on this query, so I thought I'd > try again. Does anyone know if any of the streamlined > K-4s assigned to St. Louis trains ever ran all the way > east to Pittsburgh, or vice versa, running from > Pittsburgh to St Louis? Thank you. Ron ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: howdy@qnet.com Subject: [PRR] visit Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 20:39:48 GMT Now that it looks like the prr-talk is back online I will send this quick. I will be headed for the central Pa. area for a vacation from April 12th to the 20th and was wondering if there would be any club/home layouts open for a visit in that timeframe. Thanks in advance, Howdy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] Loco Whistle help List I was contacted by someone who viewed and listened to my K4 Whistle wav file that I have on my K4 website. He is a Live Steam modeler and wishes to duplcate this Whistle and sound on his 1/8" Scale K4. He asked me what the 3 notes the PRR used were. I do remember reading at one time what these notes were but now can not recall that info. Anyone here have this so I can pass it on? Thanks, Gary Come visit my PRR Pages: Photos, Models, Historical Items and Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s, G5s and T1 WEB PAGES>>> PRR Loco Pics: http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com & http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html and...... PRR Pics, Memorabilia and Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! X-eGroups-From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) From: mittner@webtv.net Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR-FAX] Loco Whistle help List I was contacted by someone who viewed and listened to my K4 Whistle wav file that I have on my K4 website. He is a Live Steam modeler and wishes to duplcate this Whistle and sound on his 1/8" Scale K4. He asked me what the 3 notes the PRR used were. I do remember reading at one time what these notes were but now can not recall that info. Anyone here have this so I can pass it on? Thanks, Gary Come visit my PRR Pages: Photos, Models, Historical Items and Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s, G5s and T1 WEB PAGES>>> PRR Loco Pics: http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com & http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html and...... PRR Pics, Memorabilia and Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:19:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Di Orio Subject: Re: [PRR] Streamlined Steam Sorry, I didn't state the question clearly. I did not mean did any streamlined steam (K-4s)run non-stop St. Louis to Pittsburgh. What I meant was did any of these locomotives regularly run on the section of the Panhandle that begins/ends in Pittsburgh, i.e, say Columbus to Pittsburgh or Pittsburgh to Columbus. Also, as another response mentioned, the locomotives didn't magically appear in St. Louis. But whether they got there by running over Panhandle rails is another question. They may have run originally to Chicago or some other point on Ft Wayne rails and ended up in St. Louis by a circuitous route. The idea of a circuitous route is not necessarily bizarre. I have been told by a man who used to be a tower operator here in Burgettstown that J class engines ran primarily westbound through town, and were rarely seen on eastbound trains. Evidently, they somehow returned east by a route that took them through Crestline. Anyone else ever heard of this? Ron --- "Andrew S. Miller" wrote: > Ron, > > I have no specific data on that, but I don't think > ANY steam ever ran that > far. How far is Pittsburgh to St. Louis - 600 miles > +/-? > > Regards, > > Andy Miller > asmiller@mitre.org > > ================================================== > Ronald Di Orio wrote: > > > No responses received on this query, so I thought > I'd > > try again. Does anyone know if any of the > streamlined > > K-4s assigned to St. Louis trains ever ran all the > way > > east to Pittsburgh, or vice versa, running from > > Pittsburgh to St Louis? Thank you. Ron > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Ronald Di Orio Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PRR-FAX] Re: [PRR] Streamlined Steam Sorry, I didn't state the question clearly. I did not mean did any streamlined steam (K-4s)run non-stop St. Louis to Pittsburgh. What I meant was did any of these locomotives regularly run on the section of the Panhandle that begins/ends in Pittsburgh, i.e, say Columbus to Pittsburgh or Pittsburgh to Columbus. Also, as another response mentioned, the locomotives didn't magically appear in St. Louis. But whether they got there by running over Panhandle rails is another question. They may have run originally to Chicago or some other point on Ft Wayne rails and ended up in St. Louis by a circuitous route. The idea of a circuitous route is not necessarily bizarre. I have been told by a man who used to be a tower operator here in Burgettstown that J class engines ran primarily westbound through town, and were rarely seen on eastbound trains. Evidently, they somehow returned east by a route that took them through Crestline. Anyone else ever heard of this? Ron --- "Andrew S. Miller" wrote: > Ron, > > I have no specific data on that, but I don't think > ANY steam ever ran that > far. How far is Pittsburgh to St. Louis - 600 miles > +/-? > > Regards, > > Andy Miller > asmiller@mitre.org > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Andy Cich" Subject: [PRR] Keystone Diner Article Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:49:05 -0500 There has been some comments on the Keystone lately, so I'll add my two cents. The diner article in the Spring Keystone is my idea of an excellent MODELING article. This article will be a great reference to anybody modeling these diners. There are plenty of photos and drawings. I'm really glad photos of the ends and trucks are included. To me, a good modeling article is a reference about the prototype. This information is timeless. I can learn actual modeling techniques elsewhere, and they change over time. 10 years from now someone modeling diners will ask on this list "which issue of the Keystone was it that that great diner article was in". The only thing that I would have liked to see included is a drawing of the underframe showing the layout of the brake system. But the isometrics do a good job of showing a lot of the major underframe parts. My hat's off to Chuck for an excellent article. Andy Cich ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Lewis J. Matt PhD" Subject: Re: [PRR] Keystone Diner Article Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 18:59:56 -0400 I second Andy's sentiments. This article and the previous mail car issue are phenomenal passenger car references. Put them together and t