Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 18:19:08 +1000 From: "Mick Molloy" Subject: [PRR] GG1 equipment This will probably sound a silly question but.... Did any or all of the GG1s have any form of regenerative or dynamic braking? I have just seen an oblique reference to 'dynamic' braking on the GGs in an old notebook published by General Electric in 1948. Mick ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: VVA249@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 08:04:39 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] GG1 equipment I think all electric locos (and street cars) had the "dynamic" braking ability - but they didn't waste the extra energy - they put it back up into the overhead wire, for use elsewhere - I remember reading - in an old "Trains" how the GN had electric meters (from the power company) that ran both directions - once a train crested the Cascades - the meter started to run backwards. Dick ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Sam Vastano" Subject: Re: [PRR] (PRR) Proto 1000 F3A units Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 08:15:45 -0400 Steve & group, Thanks for the input. I might give it a try, I like a challenge. Sam >From: "Steve Hoxie" >To: >Subject: Re: [PRR] (PRR) Proto 1000 F3A units >Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:56:21 -0500 > >Hi Sam--They run ok. For appearances-- > >--Remove the pilot, replace with an Intermountain Passenger Pilot. > >--Add nose lift rings, preferably CalScale 190-415 which will stay on much >better than the Detail Associates part. > >--Depending on the year you model, add Detail Associates 229-2215, Grab >Irons for F and E units. > >--The hardest part: locate and cut two rectangular holes for the dynamic >brake grills. > >--Add Detail Associates Eye Bolt Lift Rings 229-1101. > >--Add the antenna system, CalScale 190-402. For details of the >installation >of the antenna on the rear of F units, the photo on page Pennsy Power II >remains our best reference. However, Greg Martin has sent out a photo of >the right rear of an F3 which I can forward offlist if you want. > >--Scrape off the handrails and replace with wire. > >That about does it except for cut levers and MU hoses on the rear and >windshield wipers. > >The bottom line--they are ok, but they require a lot of work to get right >for the PRR. There are easier ways to go. > >Steve Hoxie >Pensacola FL > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. Sam Vastano McClymonds Supply & Transit Co., Inc. PH 724-368-8040 X243 Fax 724-368-9677 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ndbprr@att.net Subject: Re: [PRR] GG1 equipment Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 12:57:32 +0000 PCC class Trolleys used magnetic brakes. If you have ever seen one running you will see a horizontal bar outboard on the truck bouncing up and down a couple of inches above the rail. This would become a magnet when current was applied and clamp down on the rail to stop the car. I don't know about G's but I doubt they did have regenerative braking. I would suspect the FF-1's did however. > I think all electric locos (and street cars) had the "dynamic" braking > ability - but they didn't waste the extra energy - they put it back up into > the overhead wire, for use elsewhere - > I remember reading - in an old "Trains" how the GN had electric meters (from > the power company) that ran both directions - once a train crested the > Cascades - the meter started to run backwards. > Dick > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 09:45:52 -0700 From: davep Subject: Re: [PRR] GG1 equipment ndbprr@att.net wrote: > PCC class Trolleys used magnetic brakes. If you have > ever seen one running you will see a horizontal bar > outboard on the truck bouncing up and down a couple of > inches above the rail. This would become a magnet when > current was applied and clamp down on the rail to stop > the car. Just so. More like dynamics than strict regen. > I don't know about G's but I doubt they did > have regenerative braking. It's not mentioned in the operators handbook, or in the technical descriptions in the trade press when the GG1s were new. >I would suspect the FF-1's did however. Quite possible: FF1 used induction motors: regen is (nearly) 'free' with those. FF1 was (to some extent) intended as a test bed for mountain grade electrification, where regen would be useful. Regen (and dynamics) costs money. More or less added equipment has to be designed, installed and maintained. While 'some' energy is recovered, energy is actually one of the least costs in RR operation. In flat profiles and infrequent stop service, it adds little. Grade operation, or frequent stops (eg: transit) change the balance. >>I think all electric locos (and street cars) had the >>"dynamic" braking ability cf above. It costs money to add regen. It was designed in where needed. >>- but they didn't waste the extra energy - they put it back up into >>the overhead wire, for use elsewhere - That's the definition of regen. When used on diesels (and even some electrics) with braking resistors, the term is 'dynamic'. Savings in brake gear wear, wheel wear, and improved train handling justify it, even with no energy recovery, when the grades justify it. >>I remember reading - in an old "Trains" how the GN had electric >>meters (from the power company) that ran both directions All power meters will. >> - once a train crested the Cascades - the meter started to run >>backwards. If no other trains were on the upgrade. GN used motor generator (later) electrics, which were designed for regen, due to the grades. CMStP&P was the first large scale user of e-loks capable of regen, and had provision for metering power back to the power grid. If an quote from the "GE Notebook" were provided, it might be interesting. best dwp ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 10:30:56 -0400 Subject: [PRR] Updated Convention Forecast From: Jerry Britton Public service announcement... The updated weather forecast for the PRRT&HS convention, for those who are packing, is as follows... Thursday Strong storms High of 77 Friday Partly cloudy High of 60 Saturday Partly cloudy High of 71 Sunday Partly cloudy High of 75* *The live steam open house is weather dependent. This is a favorable forecast. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 11:40:58 -0500 Subject: [PRR] FW: Old Stone Bridge in Johnstown From: "Donald E. Harper, Jr" My brother sent me this. Don Harper Texas A&M Marine Lab 5007 Avenue U Galveston, TX 77551 409/740-4540 While looking up information on the Portage Railroad for my field trip next weekend, I came across this website. If you are interested in railroad bridge designs, this one might fascinate you. The bridge was built by the Pennsylvania Railroad in 1887-88 and was strong enough to withstand the 1889 Johnstown flood. In fact, it acted as a dam to catch the debris. After the flood subsided, the debris caught fire and a myriad of people trapped in the debris who had survived the flood were burned alive. So its history is far greater than just the railroad. http://www.railroadextra.com/jfbridge.Html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 15:10:36 -0400 From: Charles Ring Subject: Re: [PRR] GG1 equipment VVA249@aol.com wrote: > I think all electric locos (and street cars) had the "dynamic" braking > ability - but they didn't waste the extra energy - they put it back up into > the overhead wire, for use elsewhere - > I remember reading - in an old "Trains" how the GN had electric meters (from > the power company) that ran both directions - once a train crested the > Cascades - the meter started to run backwards. > Dick > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. with AC power such as the 25cps used by the GG-1, how could it synchronize the waveform so as to boost and not buck the supply? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 19:01:27 -0400 From: Mark Murtha Subject: [PRR] #120 sighting today While in Newark, NJ, today, I saw restored passenger car #120 at the end of an Amtrak passenger train pulling out of Penn Station heading south toward Philadelphia. Mark Murtha Willow Grove, PA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Wayne S. Betty" Subject: RE: [PRR] GG1 equipment Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:50:38 -0400 The GG1's had A/C series commutator motors. The wiring to change an A/C reciprocating device from using electricity to producing electricity would be extremely complex. Usually A/C motors stay motors and alternators stay alternators. The wiring may have been set up to provided high current to the rotor during low speed operations (hence the need for a commutator on an A/C motor), a typical industrial application of an A/C motor. Remember that 11K HP short time rating. Remember back in the mid 30's there was no silicon technology (GE's E2b of 1951), and arc technology was early in the development stage (Baldwin/Westinghouse E2c and E3B of 1951 and the first 60 of the E44s). The last 6 came with the "new" solid-state rectifiers; the other 60 got them too. The PRR did use dynamic brakes on the E44s. How much money did the Pennsy waste on insisting GE use the arc tube rather then GE's rectifiers? But that's for another thread. Cos Wayne S. Betty Cos Communications, Inc. Small business IT services. Lancaster & Atlantic Rail Road NMRA, MER, Susquehanna Div, 11 NHRS, Lancaster & PRRT&HS #7061 http://www.wsbcos.com.trainsmenu.htm at the west end of the PRR electrified zone -----Original Message----- From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com]On Behalf Of Mick Molloy Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:19 AM To: PRR Talk Discussion Group Subject: [PRR] GG1 equipment This will probably sound a silly question but.... Did any or all of the GG1s have any form of regenerative or dynamic braking? I have just seen an oblique reference to 'dynamic' braking on the GGs in an old notebook published by General Electric in 1948. Mick ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 22:31:11 -0400 From: Bill Lane Subject: [PRR] Rare PRR & PRSL Baldwin Builders photos Hi All, I have listed a few rare Baldwin PRR & PRSL Builders photos. Perhaps you bid against me recently for the negatives. :) Here is you chance to own the photos without the exposure to the hazardous chemicals! I will be listing more including PRSL #6007 and #6024 when I return from the PRR T & HS convention. Please give a look. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1098292295 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1098294363 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1098420146 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1098423255 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1098426556 Thanks Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 22:46:28 -0700 From: davep Subject: Re: [PRR] GG1 equipment Wayne S. Betty wrote: > The GG1's had A/C series commutator motors. > The wiring to change an A/C reciprocating Reciprocating??? > device from using electricity to producing electricity would >be extremely complex. It's exactly like that used to do dynamic braking on diesels, tho a bit more complex to match phase. >Usually A/C motors stay motors and alternators stay alternators. check the N&W, VGN and GN electrics. Check any elevator system. Induction (and synchronous) type motors regen 'automatically' when driven over synchronous speed. > The wiring may have been set up to provide high current to the >rotor during low speed operations ?? Basic motor control theory is to maintain current constant as the motor accelerates. cf the GG1 schematics. > (hence the need for a commutator on an A/C motor), The commutator provides for the reversal of the magnetic polarity as the motor rotates. Control is by tap changing. > a typical industrial application of an A/C motor. RR traction is different in many regards. (in fact: 'field shunting' allows higher relative current to the rotor (armature) as speed goes UP.) > Remember that 11K HP short time rating. Indeed. I can't see any relation to regeneration? > Remember back in the mid 30's there was no silicon technology >(GE's E2b of 1951), and arc technology was early in the >development stage (Baldwin/Westinghouse E2c and E3B of 1951 and >the first 60 of the E44s). The last 6 came with the "new" >solid-state rectifiers; the other 60 got them too. > The PRR did use dynamic brakes on the E44s. >How much money did the Pennsy waste on insisting GE use the >arc tube rather then GE's rectifiers? How much would it have cost if the _experimental_ solid state gear had gone wrong? Did PRR 'insist' or did GE supply? best dwp ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "erik seidelmann" Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 21:43:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] #120 sighting today Does anyone have any info on the circle trip around Phila.? I heard a rumor that 5809, 5711 and 120 are making a trip around "the belt line". ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Murtha Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 19:01:27 -0400 To: PRR-talk@dsop.com Subject: [PRR] #120 sighting today > While in Newark, NJ, today, I saw restored passenger car #120 at the end of > an Amtrak passenger train pulling out of Penn Station heading south toward > Philadelphia. > > Mark Murtha > Willow Grove, PA > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Greg Vlassopoulos, Jr." Subject: Re: [PRR] #120 sighting today Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 23:37:31 -0400 Wednesday May 8th their is an event going on at the Hyatt Regency Penns Landing. I heard May 9th at 2pm the E-8's will depart from the front of the Hyatt on Delaware Ave(Christopher Columbus Blvd???) toward/through Greenwich up I believe through East Side yard to CP-Belmont, then back over the high line and down the elevated branch through Greenwich again and back up to the Hyatt. Dont quote me on this, I heard something of the sort. I can't remember exactly. Greg V ----- Original Message ----- From: "erik seidelmann" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] #120 sighting today > Does anyone have any info on the circle trip around Phila.? I heard a rumor that 5809, 5711 and 120 are making a trip around "the belt line". > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Murtha > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 19:01:27 -0400 > To: PRR-talk@dsop.com > Subject: [PRR] #120 sighting today > > > > While in Newark, NJ, today, I saw restored passenger car #120 at the end of > > an Amtrak passenger train pulling out of Penn Station heading south toward > > Philadelphia. > > > > Mark Murtha > > Willow Grove, PA > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "dfc PRR 7002" Subject: Re: [PRR] GG1 equip/ electric trolleys Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 05:56:58 -0400 Virtually all electric trolleys have an emergency form or dynamic braking. You perform different action depending upon the controller type. The dynamic (or regenerative) braking operation will slow a car to 3-4 MPH and then the hand brake must be used. On cars with K controllers, you move the controller to the off position, move the reverser key the opposite direction of travel, move the main overhead canopt switch to off and then move the controller to full parallel and wind up the hand brake. On cars with HL controllers you move the controller to the off position, move the reverse key to the opposite direction of travel and quickly take one point of power with the controller and back off. Then wind the hand brake. PCC cars are foot controller cars. You push the brake pedal to the floor and move the reverser to the neutral position. The track brake (magnetic) is an emergency/parking brake. There are other brakes on the car. You never want to get into a slide, a rolling vehicle will stop faster than a sliding one. DF Cramer > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "dfc PRR 7002" Subject: [PRR] Rare Mileage Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 06:03:40 -0400 http://www.ohiocentralrr.com/trolley/index.html Enjoy a train ride over a former PRR branch that winds along the Chartiers Creek Valley. This line has not seen a passenger train on it since the late 1950's. The Pennsylvania Trolley Museum and the Ohio Central Railroad are offering 3 fun filled days of excursions over this very scenic and wonderfully historic railroad line. All excursions will leave at the East Main Street crossing in downtown Carnegie, PA and take you to the Pennsylvania Trolley Museum in Washington, PA. Times and schedules are as follows: August 3 & 4, 2002 Depart Carnegie 10 am Arrive Arden 12 noon Lunch & layover at Pennsylvania Trolley Museum for 2 ½" hours. Depart Arden 2:30 pm Arrive Carnegie 4:30 pm Ticket prices for August 3, 4, box lunch included; Adults $35.00 Children $30.00 August 10, 2002 Dp Carnegie 9am Ar Arden 11am Layover at Pennsylvania Trolley Museum & Washington County Fair Grounds for 4 hours. Dp Arden 3pm Ar Carnegie 5pm Ticket price; includes County Fair admission; Adults $35.00 Children $30.00 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 08:31:50 -0400 From: "Andrew S. Miller" Subject: Re: [PRR] #120 sighting today Considering Amtrak's situation, they may be kidnapping it for ransom ;-) Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org ================================================== Mark Murtha wrote: > While in Newark, NJ, today, I saw restored passenger car #120 at the end of > an Amtrak passenger train pulling out of Penn Station heading south toward > Philadelphia. > > Mark Murtha > Willow Grove, PA > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 18:49:25 -0700 From: davep Subject: Re: [PRR] telephone poles > The poles lining the PRR right of ways were the > heart of the inductive "Trainfone" communication > system Sometimes. The coverage was less than system wide. > that allowed towers to communicate, along > non-electrified lines, with train crews in locomotive > or cabin cars equipped with the Pennsy's distinctive > inductive loop antenna some called "hand rails" train > watchers and modelers unfamiliar with the "Standard > Railroad of the World." > Each pole supported 24 lead-clad copper lines. > Weathered, they appeared like to dark grey. The green > of oxidized copper would only appear where the lead > casing was stripped from the lines. This would not be > seen until the worm (Penn Central's intertwined PC > herald) ate the the Keystone (Merger with NYC 1/1/68). > These lines were heavy. They were supported four > crossbars which carried six lines, three on either > side of the pole. Because of the weight of their load > this "trademark" sighting cues of a PRR line was > carried on what seems to be extremely close set > centers, only from 100' to 150' apart, when compared > with other utility lines. These are standard comms cabling, used for signal control wiring, dispatchers phone (non trainfone) and usually a couple with AC power for the rest. These SAME WIRES (standard to any RR) were used by the trainfone system on divisions so equipped. > The Trainfone was a passive system in that no real > signals were transmitted. Transmission was by relatively low powered, low frequency FM transmitters, both in towers and equipped loks and cabin cars. > The receivers detected flucuations in the magnetic fields >of with the trackside line or train borne Pie pan like\ >inductive senders. The intense fields surrounding electrified > lines prevented use along electrified line. Trainfone worked fine in electrified areas, as the catenary and other OHLE carried the signals. The trainfone was on 30 odd KHz, well away from the 25 Hz of the traction supply. There seem to have been two reasons for not using trainfone more in the electrified areas: It worked TOO WELL, due to the OHLE carrying the trainfone signals: they propagated too far, leading to jamming of conversations. Electrified territories had, in general, frequent towers, set up for high traffic, so adding another com system was unnecessary. > Voice signals were ony part of the data transmitted along this >lines. cf above. The com lines were for conventional phone, telegraph and signal, with trainfone usage piggy backing. > Because apparently [they?] were used to carry some CTC or >signaling information, these poles could be seen along ex-PRR >lines still in use until at least the late 1980s. cf above. This is the principal use, trainfone was an added benefit. These signals were in either baseband, or carrier, independent of trainfone. (I'm paraphrasing from an article by the system manufacturer, in Railway Signalling & Communication, ca 1947.) > You'd most likely find them along those > CTC-equipped lines. In western Ohio that meant the > PRR's Columbus-Cincinnati, -St. Louis, and -Chicago > lines carried the lines while the 142-mile Zanesville > branch, the longest unsignalized line east of the > Mississippi, the Springfield branch and the > Cincinnati, Lebanon & Northern did not have the poles. Just so. No signals, no need for poles to support signal wires. best dwp ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Ted Andrews" Subject: [PRR] Bachmann K-4 Question Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 21:22:30 -0500 ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1F21F.778CAAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PRR-Listers: I am about to purchase a new Bachmann Spectrum K-4 Pacific. This is the l= atest release with the re-worked boiler. =20 Does Bachmann include a parts list in the box? If so, do they list the re= -worked boiler as a part that can be ordered separately? TIA Ted Andrews ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1F21F.778CAAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1F21F.778CAAE0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 23:24:38 -0400 From: Joe Witcofsky Subject: RE: [PRR] #120 sighting today You guys are bad!!!!! FYI Yesterday, 5/1/02, Bennet Levins PRR120 and what appears to be an ex Sunset Coffee Shop tavern were on the Rear of # 91 NYP to FLA. In honor of this occasion, the normal 1 to 3 roadrailers were not added on at PHL. Rumor had it that Amtrak's new Reichfuhrer David Gunn was a guest. JW -----Original Message----- From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com]On Behalf Of Andrew S. Miller Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:32 AM To: Mark Murtha Cc: PRR-talk@dsop.com Subject: Re: [PRR] #120 sighting today Considering Amtrak's situation, they may be kidnapping it for ransom ;-) Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org ================================================== Mark Murtha wrote: > While in Newark, NJ, today, I saw restored passenger car #120 at the end of > an Amtrak passenger train pulling out of Penn Station heading south toward > Philadelphia. > > Mark Murtha > Willow Grove, PA > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: JSZARMACH@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 08:06:01 EDT Subject: [PRR] RR Museum of PA If there is anyone on the list that is an active member or administrator of the Railroad Museum of PA, would you kindly email me? I have a few questions I would like to ask off-list. Thanks! Joseph Szarmach ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 08:19:29 -0400 From: "Andrew S. Miller" Subject: Re: [PRR] Bachmann K-4 Question AFAIK Bachmann does not sell parts. PRR fans have been pleading for their passenger car trucks for years, to no avail. I would love to be able to buy the underbody details from their Pullman, or the 110P-84 tender for their K4. Ted Andrews wrote: > PRR-Listers: I am about to purchase a new Bachmann Spectrum K-4 > Pacific. This is the latest release with the re-worked boiler. Does > Bachmann include a parts list in the box? If so, do they list the > re-worked boiler as a part that can be ordered separately? TIA Ted > Andrews > -- Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org ================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 08:49:04 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Bachmann K-4 Question In a message dated 5/3/02 7:30:35 AM Central Daylight Time, asmiller@mitre.org writes: << AFAIK Bachmann does not sell parts. >> Well, they will, but only in major assemblies. Thus, if you need a brush for the K4 motor, they will sell you a new motor and flywheel assembly for $24.50. Every other time I have looked for a part, the bill always seems to wind up $24.00. Fortunately, when I lost the brush, I had a scrap box full of the Spectrum K4's of their early production pieces of ---- that I could cannibalize. I will have to get out some of those older boilers to compare again. If Bachmann improved the new boiler it isn't obvious to me, but I will reserve judgment until I do the actual comparison. Was it also supposed to be an improvement over their first run of the DCC-ready versions? If so, that isn't obvious to me either, but I will compare the two when I go to the club (where mine currently reside) in the next two days. Should be an easy comparison as they almost always have to be double-headed to pull a train of 5 or more cars. End of sarcasm for the day (I promise). In fairness, the new DCC-ready mechanisms run smoother and don't have the characteristic lope of their predecessors. Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 09:59:29 -0400 From: Bennett Levin Subject: Re: [PRR] #120 sighting today Pretty Close, but a day early! Bennett "Greg Vlassopoulos, Jr." wrote: > > Wednesday May 8th their is an event going on at the Hyatt Regency Penns > Landing. I heard May 9th at 2pm the E-8's will depart from the front of the > Hyatt on Delaware Ave(Christopher Columbus Blvd???) toward/through Greenwich > up I believe through East Side yard to CP-Belmont, then back over the high > line and down the elevated branch through Greenwich again and back up to the > Hyatt. Dont quote me on this, I heard something of the sort. I can't > remember exactly. > Greg V > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "erik seidelmann" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:43 PM > Subject: Re: [PRR] #120 sighting today > > > Does anyone have any info on the circle trip around Phila.? I heard a > rumor that 5809, 5711 and 120 are making a trip around "the belt line". > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mark Murtha > > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 19:01:27 -0400 > > To: PRR-talk@dsop.com > > Subject: [PRR] #120 sighting today > > > > > > > While in Newark, NJ, today, I saw restored passenger car #120 at the end > of > > > an Amtrak passenger train pulling out of Penn Station heading south > toward > > > Philadelphia. > > > > > > Mark Murtha > > > Willow Grove, PA > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > > > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 10:25:47 -0400 From: Bennett Levin Subject: Re: [PRR] #120 sighting today FYI: The southbound move on 91 was to WAS, for the Harriman Awards Ceremony. Conrail (CSAO) was the "Gold" winner in their category and their representitives, including agreement people were my guests for the trip to and from WAS. Bennett Joe Witcofsky wrote: > > You guys are bad!!!!! > > FYI Yesterday, 5/1/02, Bennet Levins PRR120 and what appears to be an ex > Sunset Coffee Shop tavern were on the Rear of # 91 NYP to FLA. In honor of > this occasion, the normal 1 to 3 roadrailers were not added on at PHL. > Rumor had it that Amtrak's new Reichfuhrer David Gunn was a guest. > > JW > > -----Original Message----- > From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com]On Behalf Of Andrew S. > Miller > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:32 AM > To: Mark Murtha > Cc: PRR-talk@dsop.com > Subject: Re: [PRR] #120 sighting today > > Considering Amtrak's situation, they may be kidnapping it for ransom ;-) > > Regards, > > Andy Miller > asmiller@mitre.org > > ================================================== > Mark Murtha wrote: > > > While in Newark, NJ, today, I saw restored passenger car #120 at the end > of > > an Amtrak passenger train pulling out of Penn Station heading south toward > > Philadelphia. > > > > Mark Murtha > > Willow Grove, PA > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: VVA249@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 15:50:42 EDT Subject: [PRR] RRMoPa - Newsletter Anyone else notice that, in addition to a very near plagiarism of the Baltimore museum, the architect of the proposed "roundhouse" doesn't seem to know much about the subject. The RRMoPa is another one of those outfits that seem driven to change their image frequently - (State employees with altogether to much time on their hands?) They've just introduced another new logo - Featuring what looks to be a PRR J-1, a loco the Museum does not own - An odd choice, I think as none were saved - the engineering guys must not have regarded it as a Pennsy loco. RR ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Greg Vlassopoulos, Jr." Subject: Re: [PRR] Bachmann K-4 Question Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 00:54:37 -0400 Mainline modeler recently did a 2 issue spread on up-grading bachmann K-4s. check it out. i believe it was jan & feb of 2002. greg ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [PRR] Bachmann K-4 Question > In a message dated 5/3/02 7:30:35 AM Central Daylight Time, > asmiller@mitre.org writes: > > << AFAIK Bachmann does not sell parts. >> > > Well, they will, but only in major assemblies. Thus, if you need a brush for > the K4 motor, they will sell you a new motor and flywheel assembly for > $24.50. Every other time I have looked for a part, the bill always seems to > wind up $24.00. Fortunately, when I lost the brush, I had a scrap box full > of the Spectrum K4's of their early production pieces of ---- that I could > cannibalize. > > I will have to get out some of those older boilers to compare again. If > Bachmann improved the new boiler it isn't obvious to me, but I will reserve > judgment until I do the actual comparison. Was it also supposed to be an > improvement over their first run of the DCC-ready versions? If so, that > isn't obvious to me either, but I will compare the two when I go to the club > (where mine currently reside) in the next two days. Should be an easy > comparison as they almost always have to be double-headed to pull a train of > 5 or more cars. > End of sarcasm for the day (I promise). In fairness, the new DCC-ready > mechanisms run smoother and don't have the characteristic lope of their > predecessors. > > Bob Zoeller > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Justin Silverman" Subject: [PRR] N5 Lettering Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 07:57:16 -0400 ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1F40A.795812F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone, Does anyone know of the height, width, and spacing of the letters on a N5= cabin car? This would be for the following diagram without the under an= d over lining, PENNSYLVANIA 487213 N5 Built 8-18 Thanks! Sincerely, Justin SilvermanGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http= ://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1F40A.795812F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Sounds like another good show is planned next year with the "Artists" being the the ones featured. .....Thanks to all who put the programs together.........Gary Come visit my PRR Pages: Photos, Models, Historical Items and Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s, G5s and T1 WEB PAGES>>> PRR Loco Pics: http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com & http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html and...... PRR Pics, Memorabilia and Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "S J Lash" Subject: [PRR] F-M erie bilts Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 16:37:52 -0400 List, Is there anyone who can steer me to pictures of the roof detail of the Erie built's showing the trainfone antenna and the steam generator details? These pictures may be very scarce, as the Pennsy changed these units to freight about 1952. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Jim ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 17:32:42 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] F-M erie bilts In a message dated 5/5/02 3:50:29 PM Central Daylight Time, sjlash@tcis.net writes: << List, Is there anyone who can steer me to pictures of the roof detail of the Erie built's showing the trainfone antenna and the steam generator details? >> I asked this question about 8 months ago and one respondent on this or the Railway Prototype Modelers' list sent me a scan of a photo from either Rails Northeast or Pennsy Journal which shows a not very good angle view of the steam generator on a B-unit. When I ever get around to it, I may just install the generator which is used on the PAs and E-units, one of which is included in the P2K undec E7 kits and is also available in a metal casting from another vendor. If interested, Jim, I can email you the 375K file of the Erie-built photo. Let me know offlist. BTW, I don't think the dearth of photos is due to the conversion of all to freight service---I don't think they removed the external evidence of the generators. Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: zootowerprr@webtv.net Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 18:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] PRRT&HS Convention List, I agree with Gary about the Don Wood ceremony. It was great! I was lucky enough to be one of the raffle winners and get a Don Wood photo. I finally got to put some faces to all these "email names". Met a lot of people and made some new freinds. The programs were nice also. I'm glad these conventions are only once a year. I come home flat broke everytime. Can't wait till next year. Dave Hopson. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! X-eGroups-From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) From: mittner@webtv.net Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 14:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR-FAX] Convention, Lists, Just got home from the annual convention. Not here to get to specific on the events, but just to say I was glad to finally put faces to the many email names I have known for the past 4+ years on the internet. To the listers unable to make it, the ceremony for Don Wood and the other photographers was great! Meeting and talking to Don Wood was even better. Winning a raffle of one of Don's favorite prints and having it signed was the icing on the cake, for me. Sounds like another good show is planned next year with the "Artists" being the the ones featured. .....Thanks to all who put the programs together.........Gary Come visit my PRR Pages: Photos, Models, Historical Items and Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s, G5s and T1 WEB PAGES>>> PRR Loco Pics: http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com & http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html and...... PRR Pics, Memorabilia and Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Thanks, Jim Cullen -------------------------------------------- Jim's N-Scale Model Railroading http://members.tripod.com/jimcullen Jim's Railroad Pictures http://www.geocities.com/jimcullen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Ted Andrews" Subject: Re: [PRR] F-M erie bilts Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 19:12:52 -0500 ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1F468.DAE680C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim: Check Pennsy Power II on page 270. There is a good shot of two Erie Built= s from above; one with DB and one without. =20 I hope that this gives you the info that you are looking for. Ted Andrews =20 Carmel, Indiana =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: S J Lash Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 3:51 PM To: PRR-Talk Subject: [PRR] F-M erie bilts =20 List, Is there anyone who can steer me to pictures of the roof detail of = the Erie built's showing the trainfone antenna and the steam generator detail= s? These pictures may be very scarce, as the Pennsy changed these units to freight about 1952. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Jim ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1F468.DAE680C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim:
 
Check Pennsy Power II on page 270. T= here is a good shot of two Erie Builts from above; one with DB = and one without. 
 
I hope that this giv= es you the info that you are looking for.
 
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Ted Andrews
Carmel, Indiana
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sun= day, May 05, 2002 3:51 PM
To: PRR-Talk
Subject: [PRR] F-= M erie bilts
 
List, Is there anyone who can steer m= e to pictures of the roof detail of the
Erie built's showing the train= fone antenna and the steam generator details?
These pictures may be ve= ry scarce, as the Pennsy changed these units to
freight about 1952.&nb= sp; Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks Jim


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We experienced this especially in reverse when the middle driver wheel kicked. * That the bell was not the final version. * That more of the parts underneath would be blackened on the production version. With that in mind, we placed the unit on a short test track connected to a Digitrax Chief II DCC system. The following were observed: * The headlight would not work. It would not operate with the DCC standard code for the headlight. Not being my model, I did not mess with the CV's to see if it had been programmed. The rep had said it was working the previous day, but that was under DC. * Sound was fantastic. Scores an A easily! * Construction was good. Hold up well to Life Like Heritage series, which I think was the intent. Scores a B on appearance. Perhaps better. Today we ran the unit on two layouts. Unfortunately, a score of F here... * On Bob Martin's layout (see forward of his comments in a second post to follow this one) the unit was unable to pull a 10 car passenger consist previously being pulled by two Spectrum K4's. The cars were NMRA weighted and we had to pare it down to three cars to get it to make it up a 2% grade. * On Jeff Warner's layout the unit did an excellent job on a decent consist going downhill, but had to be stripped to five cars going up a 2% grade. Again, unacceptable. The techies at Jeff's layout spent a few additional minutes analyzing the situation. They found that: * Slight lateral wobble -- caused by rough track or perhaps a turnout -- could cause the tender to lift its wheels momentarily, breaking electrical contact with the track in the process. This creates a "hiccup" of power flow. The suggestion was more spring tension on the tender axles or weight in the tender. * Though not really a locomotive specific problem, this loco did hiccup when travelling slowly over insulated frogs that were unpowered. * Weight, weight, weight! * There should be a working front coupler, not a dummy, for double-heading. I reported these opinions to the BLI rep along with the suggestion that the coal load be "dimpled" to suggest the unit was already in use and that some of the coal had been sucked through the auger. This is how LL did the 2-8-8-2 and it really looks good. The BLI rep conceded that he knew about the traction issue and almost withheld the loaner unit because of it. He went ahead with the loan so people could see the unit and hear the unit. He said they will resolve the traction issues before shipping. Just to force the issue, I volunteered to test any future test units that bear "corrections". He made two clarifications that people had asked about... * The headlight is an LED, not a bulb * The unlettered version is truly unlettered, not un-numbered. All I can think of or recall at the moment. This line looks truly promising, but does indeed need work. Fortunately, the first PRR units will be the third units out. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton jerry@pennsyrr.com http://kc.pennsyrr.com Modeling the PRR in 1954 in N scale -- http//kc.pennsyrr.com/layout/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 21:19:17 -0400 Subject: [PRR] FW: Loco Demonstration Results Disappointing From: "Jerry @ dsop" The following are Bob Martin's comments on the BLI NYC J1e test run on his layout today. This was sent to me privately, but I share it here... ------------(snip)------------ Hello Folks, May 5, 2002 Here's my unscientific review of the Broadway Limited Hudson locomotive. As most of you know, my railroad was part of the PRRT&HS Annual Convention layout tour on Sunday, May 5, 2002. A couple weeks ago, new found model railroad friend and fellow SPF Jerry Britton asked if my railroad could be used to run the Broadway Limited locomotive for about half an hour. Of course I said yes. I was hoping the locomotive would be a pre-production model of a PRR M1 that the company will release in December since I had read about it and was anxious to see how it performed. But, having any loco demonstration on the layout before it hits the stores is an honor so here's the Hudson story. The Hudson looked good but what do I know about a NYC locomotive (ouch-but ya gotta remember, I'm a SPF). The locomotives come equipped with a DCC decoder and sound. The sound was the best that I've heard so far in an HO scale locomotive. The chuffs & huffs appeared to be properly synchronized. The whistle was fantastic, far superior than any I've heard, and the bell was very good also. Unfortunately, that's where the positive comments must end and the disappointment begins. We put the loco on the main at York on the CPRR. This area is located right next to the York Yard and is flat. The train I decided to use was a PRR passenger train consisting of Rivarossi cars weighted to one ounce per 10 scale feet. There were eight 85', two 72', and one 52' cars for a total weight of about 11.67 pounds. The Hudson was not able to move the train more than a few inches before it started to slip. We started taking cars off until the train moved (unfortunately, I didn't record how many). That, however, was the easy part. After leaving York, the track runs through a slight upgrade "S" curve through Jimville where the locomotive started to slip but it made it through that area. The real test came on a straight track 2% grade between Jimville and Robertsdale. We removed cars until we got to three 85' coaches at which point the loco, still slipping, managed to get the train up the grade with a little index finger weight on the sand dome. We continued to run the three car train for about 25 minutes but the performance on this grade did not improve. The Hudson ran well on all other parts of the CPRR. I believe everyone present was disappointed with its performance. I ran the same test with a Spectrum K4 later in the day. The K4 pulled three cars up the grade with less slipping than the Hudson but could not pull four cars up the grade. The K4 did manage to pull the train away from the Yard. I'd say that in pulling power, the two locomotives are almost equal with the K4 having a slight edge. Anyhow, I was disappointed with the Broadway Limited offering. I suspect the operating characteristics of the coming PRR M1 will be different but I will have to see it in action before I buy one. Unfortunately, the last three steam engines I purchased, 2 Bachman Spectrum K4's and a Athearn Genesis Mikado, all look great but all have about the same pulling power, i.e. not much. On the flat they're OK but they just don't have the weight to handle a fairly typical HO layout grade. All three of these locos are at their limit with about 7 or 8 40' freight cars (weighted 1 oz to 10 scale feet) on a 2 % grade. Looks like Bowser is still among the few with a heavy enough locomotive to pull a decent size train up a grade. The manufacturers of high end plastic steam engines need to figure out how to get additional weight into the boiler. That, as far as I'm concerned, is the only drawback of the otherwise new generation of great looking and running steam engines. Happy railroading, Bob Martin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton jerry@pennsyrr.com http://kc.pennsyrr.com Modeling the PRR in 1954 in N scale -- http//kc.pennsyrr.com/layout/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 21:23:51 -0400 Subject: [PRR] Convention Wrap From: "Jerry @ pennsyrr.com" Another excellent convention... * No political issues (that I know of) * Decent financial report * Decent progress report on the archives at Lewistown * Excellent number of model submissions. (Bruce Smith won three, even though his models were CLEARLY marked not for judging...congrats to Bruce!) Doug and Claus had winners in N scale, which is to be expected! * Great to see some folks who rarely get to the convention, or made first time appearances...Bruce Smith, George Pierson, etc. * Great sessions, with kudos to George Pierson on two excellent talks! * Others have spoken on the Don Wood/Bob Maliknoski tribute. I can't add much. I was awestruck! Until next year... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton jerry@pennsyrr.com http://kc.pennsyrr.com Modeling the PRR in 1954 in N scale -- http//kc.pennsyrr.com/layout/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 21:51:48 -0400 From: Bill Lane Subject: [PRR] an interesting photo Hi all, Here is a photo that I bought at the PRR T &HS convention. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/n&w.jpg I found one detail that was very interesting to me. Perhaps you can spot it and tell me if it was common for these locos, or a one of a kind. Thanks Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 21:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [PRR] an interesting photo Bill, Nice find. Is this a Y4 5 or 6? Never seen Train Phone similar to PRR on another road before....Gary Come visit my PRR Pages: Photos, Models, Historical Items and Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s, G5s and T1 WEB PAGES>>> PRR Loco Pics: http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com & http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html and...... PRR Pics, Memorabilia and Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 22:01:43 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] an interesting photo In a message dated 5/5/02 8:56:47 PM Central Daylight Time, billlane@comcast.net writes: << Perhaps you can spot it and tell me if it was common for these locos, or a one of a kind. >> Looks like an inductive trainphone antenna on the tender. Haven't a clue as to why, or whether it was on another piece of equipment on an adjacent track? Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Ted Andrews" Subject: Re: [PRR] an interesting photo Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 22:00:38 -0500 ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C1F480.4AA800C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill: Interesting photo indeed! Since the PRR was the largest stock holder of = the N&W, could this clout be expressed in configuring some of N&W's engin= es in areas where both railroads may pool their trains/operations? Perhap= s Columbus, Ohio was such a location. My 2 cents..... Ted Andrews =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Lane Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 8:57 PM To: PRR Talk; PRR Fax Subject: [PRR] an interesting photo =20 Hi all, Here is a photo that I bought at the PRR T &HS convention. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/n&w.jpg I found one detail that wa= s very interesting to me. Perhaps you can spot it and tell me if it was com= mon for these locos, or a one of a kind. Thanks Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C1F480.4AA800C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill:
 
Interesting photo indeed!  Since the PRR&n= bsp;was the largest stock holder of the N&W, could this clout be= expressed in configuring some of N&W's engines in areas&nb= sp;where both railroads may pool their trains/operations? Perhaps Co= lumbus, Ohio was such a location.
 
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Ted Andrews 
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill L= ane
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 20= 02 8:57 PM
To: PRR Talk; PRR= Fax
Subject: [PRR] an inter= esting photo
 
Hi all,

Here is a photo that I= bought at the PRR T &HS convention.
http://mywebpages.comcast.net= /billlane/n&w.jpg I found one detail that was
very interesting to = me. Perhaps you can spot it and tell me if it was common
for these loc= os, or a one of a kind.

Thanks
Bill


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On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/Ey.GAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 09:16:48 -0700 From: davep Subject: Re: [PRR] an interesting photo Ted Andrews wrote: > Bill: > Interesting photo indeed! Since the PRR was the largest stock holder of > the N&W, could this clout be expressed in configuring some of N&W's > engines in areas where both railroads may pool their trains/operations? > Perhaps Columbus, Ohio was such a location. There were other installations of train phone, off the PRR. I disrecall where, nor have i got a handy reference, there were some. N&W, due to the partial PRR ownership is a likely candidate. best dwp ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 09:19:21 -0400 Subject: [PRR] Don Wood's Web Site From: Jerry Britton During Don Wood's introduction, it was mentioned that Don is just now returning to railroad photography following a hiatus. The interesting news is that he is returning to it with a digital camera in hand! What is ironic is that magazines are saying they don't like digital pics. And here you have one of the greatest magazine photographers of all time (28 covers on Trains) converting to digital! Perhaps the magazine publishes aren't technically savvy enough yet to deal with them properly? Also announced was Don's new web site where you will be able to order prints directly. The URL is http://www.irememberpennsy.com (It was down a few minutes ago, but I did confirm it yesterday.) Though Don should be the one with this domain name (after one of his books), I am amazed that nobody else had previously thought of it. It's great! I imagine there will now be a run on other domain names... pennsyremembered.com pennsysteamyears.com pennsydieselyears.com etc. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 06:29:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Andrews Subject: Re: [PRR] Chartiers Branch info desired Sorry, I haven't any photos of the Chartiers branch, but I sure have memories. This branch could be an excellent choice. The Fort Pitt Bridge Works in Canonsburg built some very interesting steel bridge and building structures that made spectacular 65' gondola loads, Pennsylvania transformer shipped transformers of all types and sizes on flat cars, Continental Can shipped out canstock waste in gondolas that had special high wooden sides. All this in addition to the mine runs and the daily commuter run to Pittsburgh behind a 10 wheeler. Hmm, now you've got me thinking. Joe --- Jim Cullen wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm looking at the Pennsy's Chartiers Branch line as > inspiration for my next > n scale layout. The Chartiers Branch line (Central > Region, Panhandle > Division) ran from southwest of Pittsburgh > (Carnegie) for about 23 miles to > Washington, PA. > > Some good sources of information that I have already > found are: > > The Spring 1994 issue of THE KEYSTONE from the PRR > T&HS. > The Hobo's Guide to the Chartiers Branch on > http://kc.pennsyrr.com > and the Canonsburg article on www.chartiers.com > > I was looking for any additional sources of pictures > and information of this > PRR branch lines such as pictures of the industries > along the way, > especially the coal tipples and mines, and pictures > of some of the 19 > bridges on this line. > > Thanks, > Jim Cullen > > -------------------------------------------- > Jim's N-Scale Model Railroading > http://members.tripod.com/jimcullen > > Jim's Railroad Pictures > http://www.geocities.com/jimcullen > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Subject: Re: [PRR] Don Wood's Web Site Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 06:34:20 -0700 List, I just checked it out...so far none of the galleries are running. But it's probably quite new (there is a reference to the lifetime award), so I'm not suprised. As to the digital end of things, I don't think inability to handle digital images is the problem with most publishers...the problem is a lack of quality. Most digital images are good enough for web sites, but woefully lacking in detail suitable for reproduction. As we used to say, "there is no substitute for square inches!" Reminds me of something that happened to me some years ago...I was talking to Jim Boyd, then editor or RAILFAN regarding a possible photographic submission. He was trying to get me to shoot B&W in 35mm format, and I was reluctant to (with good reason). I mentioned to him the oft-repeated story of how David P. Morgan had got Don into quality photography by suggesting that he go out and get himself a 4x5 Speed Graphic. Don did so and the rest is, as they say, history. Mr Boyd's comment (and I quote) was "Don Wood is retired and David P. Morgan dosen't know shit from shinola about photography!" I thanked him for his opinion, hung up and NEVER made that submission to RAILFAN. Glad to see Don back out again! Bill Daniels Tucson, AZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 09:57:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Don Wood's Web Site From: Jerry Britton On 5/6/02 9:34 AM, billd@gci-net.com (billd@gci-net.com) wrote: > As to the digital end of things, I don't think inability to > handle digital images is the problem with most > publishers...the problem is a lack of quality. Most digital > images are good enough for web sites, but woefully lacking > in detail suitable for reproduction. As we used to say, > "there is no substitute for square inches!" > In my opinion, most blurbs from magazines on the subject aren't clear enough about "why" many camera's aren't good enough. There is absolutely nothing wrong with using a digital camera to shoot publication quality photos. But the specs should be stated for minimums...such as nothing less than 3 megapixel capability, further emphasizing number of pixels per shot. While a default image may come in at 100 dpi, if it is sufficient in size, that data can be increased in resolution to 300 dpi as the image is reduced, often resulting in publication-quality images of half-page size, etc. In color publishing, even far less than 300 dpi may be usable, depending on the type of press the job is being run on. The colors are each printed at different angles which reduces the need for the higher resolutions (but that's a long story!). FWIW, I was the directory of publications for a four-year college for six years and was responsible for photo selection and usage in projects such as the college's alumni magazine. This followed a stint selling desktop publishing systems in the latter half of the 1980's. Of course, we didn't have digital cameras then, but we had to know of the same factors as it dictated how prints were scanned for use in publishing. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 10:12:05 -0400 From: "Andrew S. Miller" Subject: Re: [PRR] Broadway Limited Imports Running Results It may have garnered an "F" for this, but I personally am relieved to know that a NYC J1 could NOT outpull 2 K4s! ;-) -- Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org ================================================== "Jerry @ pennsyrr.com" wrote: in part > ....... > > * On Bob Martin's layout (see forward of his comments in a second post to > follow this one) the unit was unable to pull a 10 car passenger consist > previously being pulled by two Spectrum K4's. The cars were NMRA weighted > and we had to pare it down to three cars to get it to make it up a 2% grade. > > . . . > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jerry Britton jerry@pennsyrr.com http://kc.pennsyrr.com > Modeling the PRR in 1954 in N scale -- http//kc.pennsyrr.com/layout/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 10:16:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Broadway Limited Imports Running Results From: Jerry Britton On 5/6/02 10:12 AM, Andrew S. Miller (asmiller@mitre.org) wrote: > It may have garnered an "F" for this, but I personally am relieved to know > that > a NYC J1 could NOT outpull 2 K4s! ;-) > When I returned the demo to the sales rep and reported my findings and opinions, I told him... ...as a dealer, I really want to see this thing work because I know a lot of PRR modelers will be VERY happy with BLI down the road. ...as a modeler, I have no problem with seeing this thing dead on the tracks! ;-) ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 09:09:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vondruska Subject: Re: [PRR] N5 Lettering --- Justin Silverman wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Does anyone know of the height, width, and spacing > of the letters on a N5 cabin car? This would be for > the following diagram without the under and over > lining, > > PENNSYLVANIA > > 487213 > N5 Built 8-18 > > Thanks! > > Sincerely, > Justin SilvermanGet more from the Web. FREE MSN > Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > Justin, I'll check my PRR Compendium when I get home. Hopefully someone else will reply before I can. I won't be able to respond correctly 'til tomorrow, Tues. 5/7/02. Tom V. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 12:31:25 -0400 From: Nick Kulp Subject: [PRR] additional Info on J1 test --=====================_3838348==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I was the operator for the BLI J1 at Jeff Warner's house. These are my observations I made while operating the model: 1. The loco looked fine for a J1. Some detail was a little "fuzzy" but I am not a rivet counter and I am a NYC fan. O own an early Tenshoda J1 and the detail on the BLI model is far superior to the Tenshoda model. 2. The SOUND was fantastic although somewhat more muted than I prefer. I especially liked the whistle and the ability to "play" it by holding the function button. Nice touch. The exhaust had a great sound, nice and throaty and well synchronized with the drivers. 3. The tender wheels needed more play. They derailed way too easily and it could be part of the electrical pickup problem, more then likely. 4. The traction was an issue but I will reserve judgement until after the production run. 5. Paint and lettering was sharp and crisp. Very readible, even with my trifocals. 6. The boiler had that well proportioned "beefy" NYC look present in their Hudsons and Mohawks. The blackened drivers gave it a perfect "lacy" look that really makes this a well proportioned undercarriage. If BLI addresses these issues and corrects them this model will be a great addition to any NYC fan's roster. This loco also gives us PRR fans some hope that FINALLY a manufacturer will produce an affordable, sound equipped, DCC (or not) ready M1a. This is a locomotive that only the brass collectors have had available in a detailed, ready-to-run model as long as I remember. Also the sound system will finally give those folks at Soundtrax a little competition. Great synchronized exhaust, a fantastic whistle, NO FIREMAN FRED or AUTOCHUFF. Maybe they will take the hint. Last but not least the whole enchilada costs less than the MSL of a P2K Heritage loco and it has a decoder plus sound. Put me down for one of the M1a locos when they come out. This will be worth it. Nick Kulp Cornwall Railroad President --=====================_3838348==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I was the operator for the BLI J1 at Jeff Warner's house. These are my observations I made while operating the model:

1. The loco looked fine for a J1. Some detail was a little "fuzzy" but I am not a rivet counter and I am a NYC fan. O own an early Tenshoda J1 and the detail on the BLI model is far superior to the Tenshoda model.

2. The SOUND was fantastic although somewhat more muted than I prefer. I especially liked the whistle and the ability to "play" it by holding the function button. Nice touch. The exhaust had a great sound, nice and throaty and well synchronized with the drivers.

3. The tender wheels needed more play. They derailed way too easily and it could be part of the electrical pickup problem, more then likely.

4. The traction was an issue but I will reserve judgement until after the production run.

5. Paint and lettering was sharp and crisp. Very readible, even with my trifocals.

6. The boiler had that well proportioned "beefy" NYC look present in their Hudsons and Mohawks. The blackened drivers gave it a perfect "lacy" look that really makes this a well proportioned undercarriage.

If BLI addresses these issues and corrects them this model will be a great addition to any NYC fan's roster. This loco also gives us PRR fans some hope that FINALLY a manufacturer will produce an affordable, sound equipped, DCC (or not) ready M1a. This is a locomotive that only the brass collectors have had available in a detailed, ready-to-run model as long as I remember. Also the sound system will finally give those folks at Soundtrax a little competition. Great synchronized exhaust, a fantastic whistle, NO FIREMAN FRED or AUTOCHUFF. Maybe they will take the hint. Last but not least the whole enchilada costs less than the MSL of a P2K Heritage loco and it has a decoder plus sound.

Put me down for one of the M1a locos when they come out. This will be worth it.

Nick Kulp
Cornwall Railroad President

--=====================_3838348==_.ALT-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 12:59:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] additional Info on J1 test From: Jerry Britton On 5/6/02 12:31 PM, Nick Kulp (caseyj@mail.igateway.com) wrote: > 3. The tender wheels needed more play. They derailed way too easily and it > could be part of the electrical pickup problem, more then likely. > Nick, just to clarify, as I was in the next room most of the time... Did the unit actually derail, as in the wheel coming off the track laterally? My understanding was that as the truck rolled over bumpy spots, frogs, grade crossings, that the truck laterally "wobbled", causing one side to go airborne and break contact for a split second, but coming back down onto the rail. Which is it? The latter might be corrected with spring tension on the pickups or weight in the tender. Just a side note, the grade crossings actually rose above the rails. You could easily feel the rise with your fingers. The diesels ran through fine, however, so I am not saying this is the cause. Nor is it attributable to locomotive length, as double-headed HH-1's ran fine. (And boy did they look nice!) ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Chany, Christopher" Subject: RE: [PRR] Convention Wrap Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:01:05 -0400 Listers, Jerry pretty much summed up the meeting. However as a vendor he didn't get a chance to get out to the layout tours on Fri. By the way thanks Jerry for setting them up. Only got to one layout since I went to the 7pm talk. The one nearest to the hotel (Jeff Warner"?). However it had to be the most beautiful non-scenicked (sp?) I have ever seen. The owner must have gotten into model railroading late because he did not have the required junk that I've seen under most layouts. The valence and fascia gave the layout that finished look. Also overheard from various sources about upcoming models. These are rumors but some I heard from more than one person. A N-8 from Bowser A R-50 from Walthers along with complete passenger trains for all the passenger cars they have released so far. Chris Chany -----Original Message----- From: Jerry @ pennsyrr.com [mailto:jerry@pennsyrr.com] Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 9:24 PM To: PRR-talk Subject: [PRR] Convention Wrap Another excellent convention... * No political issues (that I know of) * Decent financial report * Decent progress report on the archives at Lewistown * Excellent number of model submissions. (Bruce Smith won three, even though his models were CLEARLY marked not for judging...congrats to Bruce!) Doug and Claus had winners in N scale, which is to be expected! * Great to see some folks who rarely get to the convention, or made first time appearances...Bruce Smith, George Pierson, etc. * Great sessions, with kudos to George Pierson on two excellent talks! * Others have spoken on the Don Wood/Bob Maliknoski tribute. I can't add much. I was awestruck! Until next year... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton jerry@pennsyrr.com http://kc.pennsyrr.com Modeling the PRR in 1954 in N scale -- http//kc.pennsyrr.com/layout/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 12:12:48 -0500 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: [PRR] PRRT&HS Convention Howdy, Well, it was my second convention and definitely not my last! Some additions to Jerry's list of great stuff! 1) New products (not a complete list at all!) -Middle Division HO FOM passenger car decals - due in 4-6 weeks -Rail Classics F40 - another super car...and the pace of production is picking up ! -Railworks FD2/FW1 - saw an undec...very nice with decals...we need these for all those old ALCO models FD2/FW1 models out there -NKP has 3 new P70 kits coming (two modernized coaches and a modernized combine - I forget classes, not being a passenger car freak, but I have the handout and saw the sides...VERY nice!) -BLI NYC J1e - I agree with all comments to date. I would place molding quality below P2K but better than the Bachman K4. You get what you pay for and for the price, this is a nice loco. It is a $150-$200 loco (with an additional $100-$150 of electronics), not a $400 loco (ie P2K, or the new C&O H-8). I feel comfortable with my order of M1s. 2) Model Room - Keith Thompson did a great job in a short time getting the details worked out. The response was great! Over 100 models (and that counts MUs as only one!) John Teichmoeller had a fantastic display of the HO PRR gons available from different sources. Gary Mittner brought all FOUR large scale cabin cars...one word...AWESOME! I had a great time hanging in the model room and chatting with folks...I know we can do even better next year! 3) Program - hats off to Al Buchan...it was fantastic and Al kept things rolling right along (well, maybe Saturday night went a little long ). Some notables amongst the great program were Rick Tipton's tour Louisville, George Pierson's two talks on narrow gauge and modeling the PRR in the 20's, Ian Fisher's fantastic run through of almost every class (and subclass) of PRR gons, Gary Rauch's wonderful presentation on single sheathed house cars and the team of Mike Bezilla and Bob Watson talking about the P5s. 4) Layout Tours - Hats off to Jerry for helping set these up! And thanks to all of the owners for letting us troup through their train rooms. The best was saved for last and PRR live steam on a gorgeous Sunday afternoon was a mind blowing experience...the smell of coal smoke, the sound of an M1 working uphill....Next year there may be a 1.5" scale T1 in the model room! (sign me up to help carry it in!) Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. 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By the way thanks Jerry for > setting them up. Only got to one layout since I went to the 7pm talk. The > one nearest to the hotel (Jeff Warner"?). However it had to be the most > beautiful non-scenicked (sp?) I have ever seen. The owner must have gotten > into model railroading late because he did not have the required junk that > I've seen under most layouts. The valence and fascia gave the layout that > finished look. This was Jim Clay's layout, actually. It's about a 250' run on the Cumberland Valley branch. Main line is all in...on immaculate benchwork in an otherwise spotless basement. He really did it up nice. > > Also overheard from various sources about upcoming models. These are rumors > but some I heard from more than one person. > > A N-8 from Bowser Lee English publicly acknowledged this many months ago. I was in touch with him about a month ago and he indicated the boiler was pretty much done. Looking for an end-of-year release. He is not yet releasing price or part numbers, which is why you don't see dealers taking reservations yet. > A R-50 from Walthers along with complete passenger trains for all the > passenger cars they have released so far. > This was less publicly announced a while back and should make a lot of HO modelers happy. I don't know the ETA, but I think you are into next year. Speaking of which, there will be an N scale R50b from another vendor next year. Given that, I suppose I can wait a little longer for a BM70m. ;-) As an FYI, supposedly the Crown trucks are complete at Bowser and the N scale H21a's will roll in a week or so. Too bad they missed the convention! ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ndbprr@att.net Subject: [PRR] Convention Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 18:02:43 +0000 What happens to the presentations made at the convention? Do they wind up being printed in the Keystone as articles in coming years or is it an attend or don't get the information type situation? Any chance of them publishing the info if it doesn't go to the Keystone for those of us that attending is impractical? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 14:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Convention From: Jerry Britton On 5/6/02 2:02 PM, ndbprr@att.net (ndbprr@att.net) wrote: > What happens to the presentations made at the > convention? Do they wind up being printed in the > Keystone as articles in coming years or is it an attend > or don't get the information type situation? Any chance > of them publishing the info if it doesn't go to the > Keystone for those of us that attending is impractical? > Most of the presentations are a "once and done" deal. It is much easier for someone to stand for 45 minutes and tell what they know than it is to have them put it down on paper in a publishable form. However, sometimes the handouts end up on the Internet. Al Buchan's "Modeling 1960's Non-Revenue Equipment" handout from 2000 is available from Keystone Crossings, as is Paul Backenstose's "Capturing the Flavor of the PRR on Your Model Railroad" (structures) from 2001. From 2002, George Pierson has promised to provide his handout from "Modeling the PRR in the 1920's". ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 14:29:38 -0400 From: "Andrew S. Miller" Subject: Re: [PRR] Convention Wrap Jerry Britton wrote: (in part) > On 5/6/02 1:01 PM, Chany, Christopher (cpc1@westchestergov.com) wrote: > . . . > > > > A N-8 from Bowser > > Lee English publicly acknowledged this many months ago. I was in touch with > him about a month ago and he indicated the boiler was pretty much done. > Looking for an end-of-year release. What kind of "Boiler" did an N-8 have? Did they use it to make tea? ;-) -- Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org ================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 14:33:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Convention Wrap From: Jerry Britton On 5/6/02 2:29 PM, Andrew S. Miller (asmiller@mitre.org) wrote: > Jerry Britton wrote: (in part) > >> On 5/6/02 1:01 PM, Chany, Christopher (cpc1@westchestergov.com) wrote: >> . . . >>> >>> A N-8 from Bowser >> >> Lee English publicly acknowledged this many months ago. I was in touch with >> him about a month ago and he indicated the boiler was pretty much done. >> Looking for an end-of-year release. > > What kind of "Boiler" did an N-8 have? Did they use it to make tea? > ;-) > Ouch! I was thinking of two product announcements at once! Sorry, Chris...yes, the N8 is a go. I was thinking of the B6 that's coming. Uggghh! I hate when I do dat!!!! Maybe on April 1st there would be an N8 with a boiler! ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ndbprr@att.net Subject: Re: [PRR] Convention Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 19:01:21 +0000 It seems to me that if someone was going to tell the died in the wool attendees what they know verbally that it would be pretty accurate. Also it wouldn't be difficult to record it and have a steno service type the remarks or just for the society to duplicate and sell tapes or CD's with a set of prints to go with the lecture showing the pictures used to illustrate the lecture. I think I would probably buy several of them or they could just do the whole convention as a set. > On 5/6/02 2:02 PM, ndbprr@att.net (ndbprr@att.net) wrote: > > > What happens to the presentations made at the > > convention? Do they wind up being printed in the > > Keystone as articles in coming years or is it an attend > > or don't get the information type situation? Any chance > > of them publishing the info if it doesn't go to the > > Keystone for those of us that attending is impractical? > > > Most of the presentations are a "once and done" deal. It is much easier for > someone to stand for 45 minutes and tell what they know than it is to have > them put it down on paper in a publishable form. > > However, sometimes the handouts end up on the Internet. Al Buchan's > "Modeling 1960's Non-Revenue Equipment" handout from 2000 is available from > Keystone Crossings, as is Paul Backenstose's "Capturing the Flavor of the > PRR on Your Model Railroad" (structures) from 2001. From 2002, George > Pierson has promised to provide his handout from "Modeling the PRR in the > 1920's". > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com > Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. > "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! > http://kc.pennsyrr.com > "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... > http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 15:08:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Convention From: Jerry Britton On 5/6/02 3:01 PM, ndbprr@att.net (ndbprr@att.net) wrote: > It seems to me that if someone was going to tell the > died in the wool attendees what they know verbally that > it would be pretty accurate. Also it wouldn't be > difficult to record it and have a steno service type the > remarks or just for the society to duplicate and sell > tapes or CD's with a set of prints to go with the > lecture showing the pictures used to illustrate the > lecture. I think I would probably buy several of them > or they could just do the whole convention as a set. I suppose that could be done, but I think it would negatively impact attendence at conventions which, in the end, will reduce membership in the Society itself. The Society would just become a bookstore. Getting together and meeting new people and sharing experiences at the convention is well worth the trip...perhaps more so than the seminars themselves. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 15:15:10 -0400 Subject: [PRR] Need Northern Division Employee Timetable from April 1954 From: Jerry Britton Every few months I speak up, looking for items for my 1954 CD-ROM project. Two of the 19 employee timetables have been eluding me, but I picked up one at the convention. Now I am down to needing only one!!! I did make a forward step towards the last one. Not all divisions published twice a year. And, although I am looking for those in effect as of Sept. 26, 1954, not all divisions published on that date nor were they timetable #7. What I did find was that the Northern Division published ETT #6 on April 26, 1954 and published ETT #7 on April 26, 1955. That means the one I actually need is the #6 from April. If anyone has a Northern Division ETT #6 from April 1954, I would appreciate being able to borrow it for about two weeks for scanning purposes. In return you will get a free copy of the CD-ROM which will have a full set of ETT's or all 19 divisions as well as many other documents from the era. Please respond off-list. Thanks! ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Chany, Christopher" Subject: RE: [PRR] Convention Wrap Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 15:55:56 -0400 Good because I almost bought a Quality Craft N-8 to guarantee that one would be produced in plastic. Chris Chany -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Britton [mailto:jerry@pennsyrr.com] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 2:34 PM To: Andrew S. Miller Cc: PRR-Talk LIST Subject: Re: [PRR] Convention Wrap On 5/6/02 2:29 PM, Andrew S. Miller (asmiller@mitre.org) wrote: > Jerry Britton wrote: (in part) > >> On 5/6/02 1:01 PM, Chany, Christopher (cpc1@westchestergov.com) wrote: >> . . . >>> >>> A N-8 from Bowser >> >> Lee English publicly acknowledged this many months ago. I was in touch with >> him about a month ago and he indicated the boiler was pretty much done. >> Looking for an end-of-year release. > > What kind of "Boiler" did an N-8 have? Did they use it to make tea? > ;-) > Ouch! I was thinking of two product announcements at once! Sorry, Chris...yes, the N8 is a go. I was thinking of the B6 that's coming. Uggghh! I hate when I do dat!!!! Maybe on April 1st there would be an N8 with a boiler! ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:10:25 -0400 From: Al Buchan Subject: [PRR] RE: PRRT&HS Convention Bruce said "well, maybe Saturday night went a little long " Yes it did - if you stayed to the bitter end, watching the three Steinheimer add-on shows, as many did it was over about 12:30 a.m. I think we set a new banquet record ;^). We had too many Wood photos to raffle off ;^) - that's what made it too long. Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Mark Franke" Subject: Re: [PRR] Convention Wrap Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 15:48:42 -0400 Any other N scale news? What did Hell Gate Models bring. Has anyone seen The New Microscale PRR decals? Mark Franke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Britton" To: "Andrew S. Miller" Cc: "PRR-Talk LIST" Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] Convention Wrap > On 5/6/02 2:29 PM, Andrew S. Miller (asmiller@mitre.org) wrote: > > > Jerry Britton wrote: (in part) > > > >> On 5/6/02 1:01 PM, Chany, Christopher (cpc1@westchestergov.com) wrote: > >> . . . > >>> > >>> A N-8 from Bowser > >> > >> Lee English publicly acknowledged this many months ago. I was in touch with > >> him about a month ago and he indicated the boiler was pretty much done. > >> Looking for an end-of-year release. > > > > What kind of "Boiler" did an N-8 have? Did they use it to make tea? > > ;-) > > > Ouch! I was thinking of two product announcements at once! > > Sorry, Chris...yes, the N8 is a go. I was thinking of the B6 that's coming. > > Uggghh! I hate when I do dat!!!! > > Maybe on April 1st there would be an N8 with a boiler! > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com > Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. > "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! > http://kc.pennsyrr.com > "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... > http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:49:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Convention Wrap From: Jerry Britton On 5/6/02 3:48 PM, Mark Franke at (mfranke@cox.rr.com) wrote: > Any other N scale news? What did Hell Gate Models bring. Has anyone seen The > New Microscale PRR decals? Hell Gate Models had a test shot of their new BM70k. Doug had also painted and finished an earlier test shot of same. Looked fantastic! should be out real sone. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@pennsyrr.com Member, PRRT&HS "Merchandise Service", a division of Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc., is a reseller of model railroad and railroadiana products. "MS" is also host to the web site "Keystone Crossings", the domain PENNSYRR.COM, and the mailing lists "PRR-Talk", "Conrail- Talk", and "Reading-Talk". When you purchase through "MS", you are providing financial support to these Internet endeavors. Please visit our eCommerce web site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ------------------------------Thank you!----------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:47:29 -0400 From: Al Buchan Subject: [PRR] RE: Convention It was asked "What happens to the presentations made at the convention?" As Jerry replied "Most of the presentations are a 'once and done' deal." What he said is basically true. However, let me elaborate on this some more by program. Rockville Bridge - 100 years - Presenter Dan Cupper has a new book out on this subject. Many of the slides he used during the program are in the book. Metroliners - Several of us who were associated with that project on the PRR have been threatening to write an article on this subject for "The Keystone." I talked with Bob Watson about this after the presentation and we may now get off dead center seeing we have the program notes/outlines and photos. There have been some articles already in the magazine about same. The PRR in Louisville - This was covered by Rick in a recent issue of "The Keystone." However, he told me he wants to do a follow-up article and I know Bob Watson has photos of the then new EH in Jeffersonville, as he was EH Foreman there when they moved from 14th Street. Composite Single-Sheathed Box (House) Cars - There has been some information on these type cars in earlier editions of "The Keystone." However, I'll ask Gary if he'll do a follow-up with an article. Lanterns of the PRR - This has already been covered in previous issues. My Peter Lerro Painting - Not appropriate for an article - this was a personal presentation by Ken about a commissioned painting. PA. Narrow Gauge Railroads That Connected with the PRR and Modeling the PRR in the 1920s - George's notes, maps and diagrams will be posted on the PRRT&HS website. PRR Photos of Phil Hastings - Doug has a book ready to be published on this subject. Pennsy Juice - The Class P5 - See current Society book offering, available on the website. This was a presentation by one of the authors and Bob Watson, former EH Ass't Foreman at Enola, who also contributed a lot of photos for the book. PRR Gondolas - Ian has covered some of the earlier gons in an early issue, and some others have been subsequently covered also. Ian may well do another article for "The Keystone," I'll ask him. As an example of some follow-up that does happed, Rick Tipton gave a talk on lettering PRR covered hoppers at the 2000 annual meeting and it is now coming out in the summer 2002 edition of "The Keystone." Chuck showed me a draft of the issue during the BoD meeting and it looks like a winner. Sometimes we just have to be patient. This is the kind of modeling article I think we need more of - information about the real thing to assist modelers do a better job of capturing the PRR. Also in the summer edition finally is a review of Richard Wallis' excellent book - "The PRR at Bay." Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:57:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] additional Info on J1 test From: Eugene Nowlan Nick, Was this an all wheel pickup or one side of the engine and the other side from the tender? Gene ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [PRR] RE: PRRT&HS Convention Al, I think the story behind all the Don Wood prints was this. He was asked to choose 20 of his favorites to bring for raffle. He said it was impossible to choose so he brought, what, 60+ along. The more the merrier!!! :-) Pleasure meeting you Al........Gary Original message: Bruce said "well, maybe Saturday night went a little long " Yes it did - if you stayed to the bitter end, watching the three Steinheimer add-on shows, as many did it was over about 12:30 a.m. I think we set a new banquet record ;^). We had too many Wood photos to raffle off ;^) - that's what made it too long. Al Come visit my PRR Pages: Photos, Models, Historical Items and Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s, G5s and T1 WEB PAGES>>> PRR Loco Pics: http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com & http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html and...... PRR Pics, Memorabilia and Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Eric Lauterbach" Subject: Re: [PRR] additional Info on J1 test Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:20:1 -0400 I guess one way to look at the results from the J1 test is that they are working out the kinks in their operation with a NYC engine and not a Pennsy engine! Even if the final result is only a little better than the Bachmann Spectrum offerings, that still is pretty darn good. I am very satisfied with all of the Spectrum steam that I own, except for the old tooling K4. (I have a new one on order) One other thing to consider is that, if I am not mistaken, Oriental imported a M-1a/b in the past. This, because of the association with Oriental, may give Broadway Limited a leg up in making the M-1a/b. Eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Greg Vlassopoulos, Jr." Subject: Re: [PRR] Convention Wrap Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:16:37 -0400 Chris and list- Bowser is working on the N-8 to my knowledge. I also believe it will have to-be applied grab irons. Last year, the PRRTHS Phila chpt modelers meeting took a survey on the request for a N-8. It was just about unanimous that a N-8 could work in favor for Bowser to produce. I do not know of the exact details. Greg Vlassopoulos, Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chany, Christopher" To: "PRR-talk" Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: RE: [PRR] Convention Wrap > Listers, > > Jerry pretty much summed up the meeting. However as a vendor he didn't get a > chance to get out to the layout tours on Fri. By the way thanks Jerry for > setting them up. Only got to one layout since I went to the 7pm talk. The > one nearest to the hotel (Jeff Warner"?). However it had to be the most > beautiful non-scenicked (sp?) I have ever seen. The owner must have gotten > into model railroading late because he did not have the required junk that > I've seen under most layouts. The valence and fascia gave the layout that > finished look. > > Also overheard from various sources about upcoming models. These are rumors > but some I heard from more than one person. > > A N-8 from Bowser > A R-50 from Walthers along with complete passenger trains for all the > passenger cars they have released so far. > > > Chris Chany > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry @ pennsyrr.com [mailto:jerry@pennsyrr.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 9:24 PM > To: PRR-talk > Subject: [PRR] Convention Wrap > > > Another excellent convention... > > * No political issues (that I know of) > > * Decent financial report > > * Decent progress report on the archives at Lewistown > > * Excellent number of model submissions. (Bruce Smith won three, even though > his models were CLEARLY marked not for judging...congrats to Bruce!) Doug > and Claus had winners in N scale, which is to be expected! > > * Great to see some folks who rarely get to the convention, or made first > time appearances...Bruce Smith, George Pierson, etc. > > * Great sessions, with kudos to George Pierson on two excellent talks! > > * Others have spoken on the Don Wood/Bob Maliknoski tribute. I can't add > much. I was awestruck! > > Until next year... > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Jerry Britton jerry@pennsyrr.com http://kc.pennsyrr.com > Modeling the PRR in 1954 in N scale -- http//kc.pennsyrr.com/layout/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Cadwell, Marvin L" Subject: RE: [PRR] an interesting photo Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 19:41:03 -0500 I've seen pictures of Kansas City Southern E-Units with trainphones similar to the PRR. One of them is pictured in one of Don Ball's all-colored picture books entitled "America's Colorful Railroads". -----Original Message----- From: davep [mailto:davep@quik.com] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:17 AM To: Ted Andrews Cc: Bill Lane; PRR Talk; PRR Fax Subject: Re: [PRR] an interesting photo Ted Andrews wrote: > Bill: > Interesting photo indeed! Since the PRR was the largest stock holder of > the N&W, could this clout be expressed in configuring some of N&W's > engines in areas where both railroads may pool their trains/operations? > Perhaps Columbus, Ohio was such a location. There were other installations of train phone, off the PRR. I disrecall where, nor have i got a handy reference, there were some. N&W, due to the partial PRR ownership is a likely candidate. best dwp ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Brian J Carlson" Subject: Re: [PRR] RE: PRRT&HS Convention Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:13:41 -0400 Long but fun, even if I didn't win a Wood photo, I almost left before those last slide shows, actually multi-media experience, by Ted Benson. Glad I didn't. It was good to meet all of those people I have been talking with for years on line. I also think I found a G26 or G26a on the way home to Buffalo. More on that when I get the slides back. Also stopped in Lewistown on the way home, and hung out for few hours watching trains. Took photo's of the two ex PRR cars at the engine terminal, and a beautiful Juniata Valley SW8. Basically I railfanned all the way home. Brian Carlson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Mittner" To: "Al Buchan" Cc: "PRR-TALK" Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] RE: PRRT&HS Convention > Al, > > I think the story behind all the Don Wood prints was this. He was > asked to choose 20 of his favorites to bring for raffle. He said it was > impossible to choose so he brought, what, 60+ along. The more the > merrier!!! :-) > Pleasure meeting you Al........Gary > > Original message: > > Bruce said "well, maybe Saturday night went a little long " > Yes it did - if you stayed to the bitter end, watching the three > Steinheimer add-on shows, as many did it was over about 12:30 a.m. I > think we set a new banquet record ;^). We had too many Wood photos to > raffle off ;^) - that's what made it too long. > Al > > > > > > > Come visit my PRR Pages: Photos, Models, Historical Items and Art > Work!.......and MY NEW K4s, G5s and T1 WEB PAGES>>> > > PRR Loco Pics: > http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com > > & > > http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html > and...... > > PRR Pics, Memorabilia and Models: > > http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 00:29:15 -0400 From: Bill Lane Subject: [PRR] an Encounter with Greatness Hi All, I would like to share with you what was BY FAR the highlight of this PRR T & HS convention. A picture can speak volumes. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/DonWood.jpg I am accepting my ORIGINAL Don Wood photo from the master himself on Friday 5-3-02. While many took home Don's images as a door prize, I think mine is different. Don said this particular print; "Woods Curve" is one of his favorites. It is on the center spread of pages 141-142 of "I Remember Pennsy." Furthermore, it is one of the last images that Don printed on photographic paper with his enlarger from the original negative. He has completely involved with the creative process of this print. He signed the back with a personal inscription. I am EXTREMELY HONORED to able to call this print my own. After this photo was taken, Don sat with us in the lobby for 45 minutes as if we were old friends. How can you possibly top this as a convention memory? Thanks Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 06:20:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] an Encounter with Greatness From: Jerry Britton On 5/7/02 12:29 AM, Bill Lane at (billlane@comcast.net) wrote: > I would like to share with you what was BY FAR the highlight of this PRR T & > HS convention. A picture can speak volumes. > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/DonWood.jpg I am accepting my > ORIGINAL Don Wood photo from the master himself on Friday 5-3-02. While many > took home Don's images as a door prize, I think mine is different. Don said > this particular print; "Woods Curve" is one of his favorites. It is on the > center spread of pages 141-142 of "I Remember Pennsy." Furthermore, it is > one of the last images that Don printed on photographic paper with his > enlarger from the original negative. He has completely involved with the > creative process of this print. He signed the back with a personal > inscription. I am EXTREMELY HONORED to able to call this print my own. > > After this photo was taken, Don sat with us in the lobby for 45 minutes as > if we were old friends. How can you possibly top this as a convention > memory? > That is truly one of his best prints and I, too, found Don to be extremely sociable as he spent some time with our crew in the lobby before dinner. Excellent time! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@pennsyrr.com Member, PRRT&HS "Merchandise Service", a division of Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc., is a reseller of model railroad and railroadiana products. "MS" is also host to the web site "Keystone Crossings", the domain PENNSYRR.COM, and the mailing lists "PRR-Talk", "Conrail- Talk", and "Reading-Talk". When you purchase through "MS", you are providing financial support to these Internet endeavors. Please visit our eCommerce web site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ------------------------------Thank you!----------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Nick Kulp" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 07:21:51 -0400 Subject: [PRR] Re: additional Info on J1 test Gene, I didn't get a chance to look that closely at the model while I was running it. Jerry put it on the track and took it off. The only time I handled the