Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 00:06:28 -0500 From: davep Subject: [PRR] A technical question about car floats Car floats were used by many RRs, more so in the past than presently. Many served in NY harbour, they crossed from Canada to US (Michigan), Milwaukee had some on the west coast of the US, Canadian West Coast had their share. A technical question tho: How Many Scoops of Ice Cream to make a Car Float? best dwp (PS: Happy 1 April....) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Michael DiMaio" Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 05:51:59 -0500 Subject: [PRR] Big Pennsy project!!! I am a fan of Microsoft's Train Simulator. A number of us have decided to rebuild the PRR's mainline in PA virtually. There are some going from Pittsburgh to Altoona, and others doing Philly to Harrisburg. Atleast one person is attempting to revbuild the mainline from NYC to Philly in this manner. The PRR line from DC to Philly is in operation. I, for better or worse, have taken on the route from Harrisburg to Altoona/ Tyrone. Using 3 dimensional cartographical software and USGS topographical maps I have just finished recreating in 3 dimensions all the topography of the main line from Steelton/Harrisburg to Tyrone/Altoona. The task of laying track or setting up a marker file which will tell me or others where to place the trackage. To do this I will again rely on USCS maps and overlays which show the trackage from the air. I have gone through what Jerry has available online as far as track maps go. If any one has clear maps that are on-line and easy to use, accesss to them would be appreciated. If any one has familiarity with MSTS and or its route editor, I would sure like some help in laying track. I will be uploading the Allegeny Mountains and all of the terrain from Altoona to Harrisburg at http://www.train-sim.com in the middle of the week., if any one is interested in downloading it. I am only concerned with thwe path of the Broadway Limited so, for that reason, although sidings will be provided, I do not plan to stray from the mainline. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SHanlon@dnr.state.md.us Subject: [PRR] conowingo line... Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 07:54:59 -0500 got this from our website... http://www.dnr.state.md.us/greenways/harford.html scroll to the bottom. Steven Hanlon Computer Information Services Specialist Information Technology Service 580 Taylor Ave., D4 Annapolis, Maryland 21401 Phone: 410-260-8955 Fax: 410-260-8373 ########################################### This message has been scanned for viruses. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 09:17:37 EST From: WAJK4@aol.com Subject: Re: [PRR] Those other PRR E8s This subject came up about a week ago with some friends of mine. I vaguely remember one of them was scraped for some reason or the frame and motor were needed for another project out west, and the shell was offered to a few people, but I don't know where it ended up. As for the fate of the second unit, I cannot recall exactly, but I think it is stil owned privately. Please correct me if I am wrong. Walt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: CENTGA@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:25:25 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Those other PRR E8s --part1_45.153ada26.29d9c7d5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/1/2002 9:22:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, WAJK4@aol.com writes: > > This subject came up about a week ago with some friends of mine. I vaguely > remember one of them was scraped for some reason or the frame and motor > were needed for another project out west, and the shell was offered to a > few people, but I don't know where it ended up. As for the fate of the > second unit, I cannot recall exactly, but I think it is stil owned > privately. Please correct me if I am wrong. > > > Walt > > Walt, It seems that someone sent me info awhile back on one of these units. If I remember correctly the motor was removed and the unit was put on display in NE Alabama. Todd Horton --part1_45.153ada26.29d9c7d5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/1/2002 9:22:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, WAJK4@aol.com writes:



This subject came up about a week ago with some friends of mine.  I vaguely remember one of them was scraped for some reason or the frame and motor were needed for another project out west, and the shell was offered to a few people, but I don't know where it ended up.  As for the fate of the second unit, I cannot recall exactly, but I think it is stil owned privately.  Please correct me if I am wrong.


Walt



Walt, It seems that someone sent me info awhile back on one of these units. If I remember correctly the motor was removed and the unit was put on display in NE Alabama. Todd Horton --part1_45.153ada26.29d9c7d5_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 10:14:02 -0500 Subject: [PRR] Broadway Limited Excursion From: Jerry Britton Mark your calendars... > The "Broadway Limited" railfan excursion, sponsored by the Windy City > Chapter of the National Historic Railway Society (NHRS), is indeed set for > October 12-15 (Columbus Day weekend). > > The New York-Chicago round-trip excursion will commence at New York City > with pickups at Philadelphia and Harrisburg. Both coach seat and private car > accommodations will be available. > > The excursion will be headed by a pair of restored E8 diesel locomotives. > Most coaches will be MARC coaches that were once PRR sleeper cars. A > surviving mid-train lounge from the FALLS series will be in the consist, as > will a restored VIEW series observation bringing up the rear. > > The full itinerary and fare schedule will be released in about four weeks. > > If this trip is successful, there are already plans to do a "Penn Texas" > excursion in conjunction with the Missouri Pacific Society. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:56:52 -0600 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] More Broadway Limited M1 Information Gary sez: >Anyway, I am not into DCC but I was >alerted by Charles W. of this list, that Soundtraxx does not have a PRR >item in their inventory of sounds. Nope, although some of us think that the whistle on the British L-1 tank engine sounds an awful lot like a PRR banshee. Which, with your comment on boiler pressure, brings to mind a comment by OP Orr in Set Up Running. He noted that when boiler pressure was increased, the frequency of the banshee became so high as to be inaudible over at least half its range. > I remember awhile back that listers >were wishing for a GG-1 sound from them. Nothing ever come from >requests? I TRIED very hard to get this, to the point that we had lined up everything we needed (thanks again gang!) but my email and phone calls to Soundtraxx just resulted in one delay after another. I just gave up after a while. Hopefully QSI will pick up the banner. It was recommend by Charles that I make contact with >Soundtraxx and offer them the sounds of my PRR 3 Chime Whstle. if not >I suppose they will wait for 1361 to hit the rails again. Oh well, I >will post their response when I hear more Their reluctance is difficult to understand, since the tools are there to make a good recording and the applications are available (like a drop in decoder for the Bachman K4) >PS: Soundtraxx wanted me to send my Whistle out to them in Colorodo so >they could get the whistle sounds they are looking for. They have access >to steam. I said I don't think so! That is particularly odd since they told me that all they needed were high quality recordings, with no background. Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Ted Andrews" Subject: Re: [PRR] Broadway Limited Excursion Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 15:57:00 +0000 April Fools. Right? >From: Jerry Britton >To: PRR-Talk LIST >Subject: [PRR] Broadway Limited Excursion >Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 10:14:02 -0500 > >Mark your calendars... > > > > The "Broadway Limited" railfan excursion, sponsored by the Windy City > > Chapter of the National Historic Railway Society (NHRS), is indeed set >for > > October 12-15 (Columbus Day weekend). > > > > The New York-Chicago round-trip excursion will commence at New York City > > with pickups at Philadelphia and Harrisburg. Both coach seat and private >car > > accommodations will be available. > > > > The excursion will be headed by a pair of restored E8 diesel >locomotives. > > Most coaches will be MARC coaches that were once PRR sleeper cars. A > > surviving mid-train lounge from the FALLS series will be in the consist, >as > > will a restored VIEW series observation bringing up the rear. > > > > The full itinerary and fare schedule will be released in about four >weeks. > > > > If this trip is successful, there are already plans to do a "Penn Texas" > > excursion in conjunction with the Missouri Pacific Society. > >----------------------------------------------------------- >Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com >Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. >"Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! > http://kc.pennsyrr.com >"Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... > http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 11:01:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] Broadway Limited Excursion From: Jerry Britton More details in. See http://www.pennsyrr.com/excursion/ >> Mark your calendars... >> >> >>> The "Broadway Limited" railfan excursion, sponsored by the Windy City >>> Chapter of the National Historic Railway Society (NHRS), is indeed set >> for >>> October 12-15 (Columbus Day weekend). >>> >>> The New York-Chicago round-trip excursion will commence at New York City >>> with pickups at Philadelphia and Harrisburg. Both coach seat and private >> car >>> accommodations will be available. >>> >>> The excursion will be headed by a pair of restored E8 diesel >> locomotives. >>> Most coaches will be MARC coaches that were once PRR sleeper cars. A >>> surviving mid-train lounge from the FALLS series will be in the consist, >> as >>> will a restored VIEW series observation bringing up the rear. >>> >>> The full itinerary and fare schedule will be released in about four >> weeks. >>> >>> If this trip is successful, there are already plans to do a "Penn Texas" >>> excursion in conjunction with the Missouri Pacific Society. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:15:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [PRR] More Broadway Limited M1 Information Bruce, Well, my 5 minute video of my PRR 3 Chime Whistle being blown is on its way to Soundtraxx. Plenty of sounds there for them to choose from. From short toots, low moans and grade crossing type screams. The ball is in their court. If they are serious they should consider these. If not they may wait for the 1361 to hit the rails (another 2 years?) to record the sounds they are after. By that time they may be behind the competitors. Now that QS1 is hitting the HO sound market, they may be the ones to wach?.....Gary Come visit my PRR Pages: Photos, Models, Historical Items and Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s, G5s and T1 WEB PAGES>>> PRR Loco Pics: http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com & http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html and...... PRR Pics, Memorabilia and Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:44:26 -0800 Subject: [PRR] Hell Gate Models New Product Announcement From: "Douglas Nelson" Hell Gate Models is pleased to announce our next product: After much research and popular request from our customers, we have chosen our next project to follow up on our successful N Scale PRR B60b Baggage Car. We are making this special product available for the first time in any scale (other than 1:1). It will be sure to get those SPF juices flowing: The Raymond Lowey-designed official PRR Trash Receptacle in N Scale. This icon of streamlined design was Lowey's first of many projects for the PRR. The streamlined styling gave the effect that the trash can was moving even when standing still! This beauty is sure to spill up those N Scale passenger platforms. Finely cast in pure resin with simulated aluminum fluting, this item is ready to run. And best of all, there will be not more excuses for trash to litter your layout. Demand is expected to be very high, so get your orders in early. Quantity discounts available! If that isn't exciting enough for you, check our next product to follow soon: Our new N Scale PRR BM70k Railway Post Office/Baggage Cars. Visit the website: www.HellGateModels.com Sincerely: Hell Gate Models ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Chany, Christopher" Subject: RE: [PRR] Hell Gate Models New Product Announcement Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:28:55 -0500 Happy April 1st! Bur really folks, does anyone have a picture of the "famous" trash can and where were they used. Chris (waiting for the z scale version)Chany -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Nelson [mailto:dougnelson@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 11:44 AM To: PRR-Talk@dsop.com Subject: [PRR] Hell Gate Models New Product Announcement Hell Gate Models is pleased to announce our next product: After much research and popular request from our customers, we have chosen our next project to follow up on our successful N Scale PRR B60b Baggage Car. We are making this special product available for the first time in any scale (other than 1:1). It will be sure to get those SPF juices flowing: The Raymond Lowey-designed official PRR Trash Receptacle in N Scale. This icon of streamlined design was Lowey's first of many projects for the PRR. The streamlined styling gave the effect that the trash can was moving even when standing still! This beauty is sure to spill up those N Scale passenger platforms. Finely cast in pure resin with simulated aluminum fluting, this item is ready to run. And best of all, there will be not more excuses for trash to litter your layout. Demand is expected to be very high, so get your orders in early. Quantity discounts available! If that isn't exciting enough for you, check our next product to follow soon: Our new N Scale PRR BM70k Railway Post Office/Baggage Cars. Visit the website: www.HellGateModels.com Sincerely: Hell Gate Models ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 12:52:13 -0500 Subject: [PRR] Cove, Rockville, Enola Pics Posted From: Jerry Britton Was railfanning at Cove, Rockville, and Enola this past Friday. Posted the pics. Best bet is to go to the archive, do not select any search criteria, but set the sort to "Photo ID newest first". http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/photos/ Included are pics of the Rockville Bridge the day before its 100th birthday. Also, the ex-PRR turntable used in service at Enola. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:23:40 EST Subject: [PRR] Extra video and book Product of having too much "stuff". I found that by accident I have two of the following. If anyone is interested contact me offlist. Softcover publication "Heart of the PRR", Mainline Phila-Pitts, Kalmbach publication in Golden Yeras of Railroading series. Video PRR Powr Vol II from Railroad Video Productions. Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "S J Lash" Subject: Re: [PRR] E.C.W Passenger Trucks Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:42:31 -0500 DR Freed, I just pulled up ECW's web site and can't find #'s 9042 or 9043. Possibly should they be 9052 and 9053? Jim Lash ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Edmond L. Freed" To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 9:08 PM Subject: [PRR] E.C.W Passenger Trucks > Listers- > > Can anyone add a Pullman or PRR class number to the following ECW trucks: > For example- > #9007 = 41-BNO > > #9003 = > #9005 = > #9006 = > #9040 = > #9041 = > #9042 = > #9043 > > Thanks in advance, > > Eddie > Dr. Edmond L. Freed > PRRT&HS # 156 > Modeling Harrisburg & the C&PD in HO > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: zootowerprr@webtv.net (Dave Hopson) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:21:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [PRR] Those other PRR E8s That's a sad ending for those E units. I saw them a few years back, up at Horseshoe Curve (with a Conrail SD40-2 leading). I think they were former PRR units(?) As a teenager, I would go to Bay Head N.J. to take photos of the E units in the yard. This was the Penn Central era but you could still see Keystones underneath the black paint. Got lucky one day and was offered a ride in one the old Es. The trailing unit was a E7. The last one on the system. Real lucky! Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Chrisandbelton2@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:57:44 EST Subject: [PRR] Passenger car detail/kitbashing --part1_10e.ee4d972.29da5c08_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With the Branchline Pullmans delayed "indefinitely" and the selection of other manufacturers' heavyweight Pullmans being what they are (yuk!) one would think the NERS would be doing land-boom business on its Pullman detail parts business. After all, it's the best way to derive a favorite model using the Rivarossi 12&1 as a basis. However I have just learned that NERS parts supplies are dwindling rapidly at all the hobby shop locations I've searched. Has NERS gone under?? I have purchased a few brass cars recently but to outfit a fleet of trains in brass would be outrageously expensive -- and I'm not sure my motive power is capable of hauling a 10-car heavyweight consist of brass beauties. Any suggestions out there?? Thanks, Chris --part1_10e.ee4d972.29da5c08_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With the Branchline Pullmans delayed "indefinitely" and the selection of other manufacturers' heavyweight Pullmans being what they are (yuk!) one would think the NERS would be doing land-boom business on its Pullman detail parts business.  After all, it's the best way to derive a favorite model using the Rivarossi 12&1 as a basis.  However I have just learned that NERS parts supplies are dwindling rapidly at all the hobby shop locations I've searched.  Has NERS gone under??

I have purchased a few brass cars recently but to outfit a fleet of trains in brass would be outrageously expensive -- and I'm not sure my motive power is capable of hauling a 10-car heavyweight consist of brass beauties.  Any suggestions out there??

Thanks,
Chris --part1_10e.ee4d972.29da5c08_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Subject: [PRR] Gondloa guru needed Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:59:02 -0500 Hi All, I had a potential customer ask the following question: I am just trying to confirm whether or not the upcoming Pennsy S Models G26 gondola is a match to Seaboard Air Line's GB 6500 series gondola, which were 65' long, had a 70 ton capacity, and had a 3'6" inside height... and had drop-ends. They were built by Pullman-Standard in 1949 to the AAR design. I question the use of his term of "match", however, perhaps you have a photo of the SAL car as a comparison. Please reply to billlane@snip.net, because I do not receive email from most of my groups. Thank You Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:59:02 -0500 Subject: [PRR-FAX] Gondloa guru needed Hi All, I had a potential customer ask the following question: I am just trying to confirm whether or not the upcoming Pennsy S Models G26 gondola is a match to Seaboard Air Line's GB 6500 series gondola, which were 65' long, had a 70 ton capacity, and had a 3'6" inside height... and had drop-ends. They were built by Pullman-Standard in 1949 to the AAR design. I question the use of his term of "match", however, perhaps you have a photo of the SAL car as a comparison. Please reply to billlane@snip.net, because I do not receive email from most of my groups. Thank You Bill ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Access the Worlds Largest network of Web Developers & Designers Post your Project for FREE Designers & Developers Bid to get your Business http://us.click.yahoo.com/rXNj8C/W.zDAA/cosFAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Dennis @ D & S Hobbies" Subject: [AD] Re: [PRR] Passenger car detail/kitbashing Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 22:28:40 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C1D9CC.93389800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NERS is still very much in business. He no longer distributes his = products through Walthers. You may order them direct from NERS. Or, we = have all available parts in stock. For currently available products, = please click on the NEW ENGLAND RAIL SERVICE listing on our web site at = http://www.onerrave.com. I hope this helps. Dennis Mailto: dennis@onerrave.com D & S HOBBIES (732) 271-0800 Voice http://www.onerrave.com (732) 271-0805 FAX 34 Main Street South Bound Brook, NJ 08880 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chrisandbelton2@aol.com=20 To: prr-talk@dsop.com=20 Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:57 PM Subject: [PRR] Passenger car detail/kitbashing With the Branchline Pullmans delayed "indefinitely" and the selection = of other manufacturers' heavyweight Pullmans being what they are (yuk!) = one would think the NERS would be doing land-boom business on its = Pullman detail parts business. After all, it's the best way to derive a = favorite model using the Rivarossi 12&1 as a basis. However I have just = learned that NERS parts supplies are dwindling rapidly at all the hobby = shop locations I've searched. Has NERS gone under?? I have purchased a few brass cars recently but to outfit a fleet of = trains in brass would be outrageously expensive -- and I'm not sure my = motive power is capable of hauling a 10-car heavyweight consist of brass = beauties. Any suggestions out there?? Thanks, Chris=20 ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C1D9CC.93389800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
NERS is still very much in business.  He no longer distributes = his=20 products through Walthers.  You may order them direct from = NERS.  Or,=20 we have all available parts in stock.  For currently available = products,=20 please click on the NEW ENGLAND RAIL SERVICE listing on our web = site at http://www.onerrave.com.

I hope this helps.
 
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Subject: [PRR] Passenger car=20 detail/kitbashing

With the Branchline Pullmans delayed = "indefinitely" and the=20 selection of other manufacturers' heavyweight Pullmans being what they = are=20 (yuk!) one would think the NERS would be doing land-boom business on = its=20 Pullman detail parts business.  After all, it's the best way to = derive a=20 favorite model using the Rivarossi 12&1 as a basis.  However = I have=20 just learned that NERS parts supplies are dwindling rapidly at all the = hobby=20 shop locations I've searched.  Has NERS gone under??

I = have=20 purchased a few brass cars recently but to outfit a fleet of trains in = brass=20 would be outrageously expensive -- and I'm not sure my motive power is = capable=20 of hauling a 10-car heavyweight consist of brass beauties.  Any=20 suggestions out there??

Thanks,
Chris=20 ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C1D9CC.93389800-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Earl Myers" Subject: [PRR] PRR X30 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 01:24:13 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1D9E5.191DB500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anybody know if a good picture of this Fire Engine carrying boxcar = exists?? Earl Myers ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1D9E5.191DB500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anybody know if a good picture of this = Fire Engine=20 carrying boxcar exists??
Earl Myers
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1D9E5.191DB500-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 22:59:49 -0800 Subject: [PRR] Signals Question From: "Douglas Nelson" Pennsy signals are a subject of much mystery to many of us. I wonder if there is a simple answer to the following question? In a 1956 photo of the signal bridge that sat about a quarter mile west of AR Tower (Gallitzen) there are four tracks and four targets (facing eastbound trains), each with a different arrangement of lights. The southernmost track signal (#0 Track on the diagram) shows only three horizontal lights: o o o The next signal (Siding #1 on the diagram) has the full 7 lights: o o o o o o o The next track (labeled #1 Track Ewd. Frt.) has 5 lights with the following pattern: o o o o o The northernmost track (labeled #2 Track Ewd. Pass.) has 5 lights with the following pattern: o o o o o The question is why are these all different? Why no approach and no proceed on some tracks? Seems like a simple question, I suspect the answer is not so simple, but any help is appreciated. Thanks, Doug Nelson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Douglas Nelson" Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 22:59:49 -0800 Subject: [PRR-FAX] Signals Question Pennsy signals are a subject of much mystery to many of us. I wonder if there is a simple answer to the following question? In a 1956 photo of the signal bridge that sat about a quarter mile west of AR Tower (Gallitzen) there are four tracks and four targets (facing eastbound trains), each with a different arrangement of lights. The southernmost track signal (#0 Track on the diagram) shows only three horizontal lights: o o o The next signal (Siding #1 on the diagram) has the full 7 lights: o o o o o o o The next track (labeled #1 Track Ewd. Frt.) has 5 lights with the following pattern: o o o o o The northernmost track (labeled #2 Track Ewd. Pass.) has 5 lights with the following pattern: o o o o o The question is why are these all different? Why no approach and no proceed on some tracks? Seems like a simple question, I suspect the answer is not so simple, but any help is appreciated. Thanks, Doug Nelson ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> *** Save Time & Money *** Outsource Your Database Design & Development at Elance Post Your Project for FREE. 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You'll want to have http://broadway.pennsyrr.com/Rail/Prr/Maps/Itlk/ar.gif open for reference. You'll also want open a copy of the rule book to the signal indication section to see what the aspects look like and what they mean. 10R only needs a horizontal top arm, because it can only display Medium clear, Slow Approach, and Restricting. Medium clear (30mph) is the most favorable indication possible because all routes use the diverging side of switch 3. Medium clear would be given for the route towards 20R on the siding (switch 5 normal). Slow Approach (15mph,prepared to stop at next signal) would be displayed across switch 5 reverse, because its a #10 switch, or if 20R on the siding is displaying a stop indication. Restricting would be displayed if the track to the next signal was occupied. 2R has all three arms in the top head because it can display Clear (maximum authorized speed) and Approach (stop at next signal). These indications would be used when the route contains no diverging movements across a switch (ie straight ahead to 20R). Clear or Approach would be chosen based on the indication on the next signal (20R). Notice the medium clear (30mph) is not possible because any diverging routes are across #10 switches, and require 15mph. Therefore Slow Approach (15mph, prepare to stop at next signal) would be used for diverging moves here. Approach Slow (slowdown to 15mph for next signal) is theoretically possible, but there is no way to determine if it was wired to display this indication. It would be proper to use it if 20R was displaying Slow Approach (15mph), but often Approach was used instead of Approach Slow. 4R has two arms in the top head. Clear is not possible here because ... shoot ... someone help me out ... I was on a roll. 16R (the next signal) appears to be able to display Approach Medium (slowdown to 30mph for next signal) because of the bottom vertical. Medium Clear (30mph) would be the only other possibility but doesn't seem appropriate because there's no diverging routes possible. So 4R should be able to display at least the same as 16R if not better (Approach Medium or Clear which would be better), but the diagram shows neither of these are possible. This 4R, 16R, 20R sequence is beyond me. We'll have to seek the advice of someone who actually does signals for a living. Or quite possibly the drawing is wrong. Can you check your photo to see if maybe there is a vertical on the bottom head of 4R? A bottom vertical would make sense on 4R allowing Approach Medium. Anyway, on to 6R. 6R has no diverging routes, however, the stopping distance to 18R is not sufficient to display approach. In general, to display Approach (stop at next signal), the train must be able to get stopped from (at least) 30mph. Since 667+75 feet to 18R is insufficient to stop a 30mph train, this signal displays SlowApproach instead when 18R is at Stop. Slow Approach only requires the train to get stopped from 15mph because the train must not be exceeding 15mph when it passes the Slow Approach. For completeness, note that 18R displays the same indications as 6R for the same reasons, 16R I can't explain, and 20R on Frt#1 displays the same indications as 10R for the same reasons. I'll pose the 4R, 16R, 20R sequence to the PRRSignaling list where there are signaling professionals. John -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Nelson To: PRR@yahoogroups.com ; PRR-Talk@dsop.com Date: Monday, April 01, 2002 11:11 PM Subject: [PRR] Signals Question >Pennsy signals are a subject of much mystery to many of us. I wonder if >there is a simple answer to the following question? In a 1956 photo of the >signal bridge that sat about a quarter mile west of AR Tower (Gallitzen) >there are four tracks and four targets (facing eastbound trains), each with >a different arrangement of lights. > >The southernmost track signal (#0 Track on the diagram) shows only three >horizontal lights: > >o o o > >The next signal (Siding #1 on the diagram) has the full 7 lights: > > o o >o o o > o o > > >The next track (labeled #1 Track Ewd. Frt.) has 5 lights with the following >pattern: > > o >o o o > o > > >The northernmost track (labeled #2 Track Ewd. Pass.) has 5 lights with the >following pattern: > > o >o o o > o > > >The question is why are these all different? Why no approach and no proceed >on some tracks? Seems like a simple question, I suspect the answer is not >so simple, but any help is appreciated. > >Thanks, >Doug Nelson > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Nick Kulp" Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:27:18 -0500 Subject: [PRR] PRRT&HS Convention Listers, I have been asked to be one of the open house layout tours for the convention in Camp Hill, Pa. this year in May. I had accepted and the crew and I are in the process of doing some cosmetic improvements involving scenery. For those of you that visited the Cornwall Railroad during the 2000 convention there will be several new items. 1. I have installed a signaling system using Bruce Chubb's Computer Model Railroad Interface. (about 75% complete) 2. I have rebuilt the trackwork in the Lebanon Yard area and double-ended the yard. 3. There are two new industrial areas on the layout, Colebrook and Calcite Quarry. 4. Mock-ups and pictures of the prototype Cornwall Mines crusher are located at the Cornwall mine area. The area will be extensively remodeled later this year to actually include a model of the crusher to more closely represent the prototype. 5. The infamous Gate at the entrance of the layoutis being replaced with a drop-in bridge. Humidity and temperature changes have required this change to improve reliability. 6. I have added a dispatcher's desk out of the layout area. My dispatcher, Steve Mallery, can follow train movements via a graphic CTC display on the main computer that controls the signaling system and now throw switches using a laptop through the Loconet. If anyone from the committee can contact me, I would appreciate it. I have not yet heard from anyone regarding my participation beyond the original request from Jerry. People will need maps to my home or at least instructions. I'd prefer they were distributed by the organizers as I can't respond to all requests for directions. Regards and I hope to see many of you in May. I will only be participating in the Friday tour, the lack of visitors on the Sunday tour has prompted this decision. Only 4 people showed up on Sunday during the 2000 convention versus the 75 visitors I had on Friday night between 7PM and 9PM. Cheers, Nick Kulp http://www.igateway.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 08:03:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] PRRT&HS Convention From: Jerry Britton On 4/2/02 7:27 AM, Nick Kulp (caseyj@igateway.com) wrote: > If anyone from the committee can contact me, I would appreciate it. I have not > yet heard from anyone regarding my participation beyond the original request > from Jerry. People will need maps to my home or at least instructions. I'd > prefer > they were distributed by the organizers as I can't respond to all requests for > directions. > No alarms needed. All is well. Brochures will be complete this week. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Ted Andrews" Subject: [PRR] "P" Company Stantions Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 13:42:15 +0000 Gentlemen: I am looking for some brass bridge railing/stantions for an upcoming project. I believe that the "P" Co. imported some, both the 2 and 3 rail versions. Right now I am looking for the two rail version, about 250 scale feet. Does anyone know where these are still being sold? TIA Ted Andrews Carmel, Indiana _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:57:41 -0500 From: Mark Bej Subject: Re: [PRR] Signals Question On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 12:39:06AM -0800, John Cooper wrote: > The short answer is that only the lights needed to display all > appropriate indications for a given situation are used. > > So the question is how do you determine the appropriate set of > indications needed for a given situation. That's complicated to outline how > to determine the set, but is fairly easy to work backwards and figure out why > the set was determined the way it was. Actually, I'll disagree with John slightly. I think it can be quite difficult in some situations to "get in the signal [design] engineer's head" based on an interlocking diagram alone. Observing from the field gives you essentially the same info that you get from an interlocking diagram. In places where you have straight trackage and repetitive, uncomplicated interlockings, this may be easy. (But note that I said may be, not is.) In places like AR, it can be quite difficult because of the curves, tunnels, and hills producing limited sighting distances; and to that add the very complicated trackage arrangements. > The signals in question are (in order mentioned) 10R, 2R, 4R, and 6R. > You'll want to have http://broadway.pennsyrr.com/Rail/Prr/Maps/Itlk/ar.gif > open for reference. You'll also want open a copy of the rule book to the > signal indication section to see what the aspects look like and what they > mean. The PRR rulebook can be found at http://broadway.pennsyrr.com/Rail/Prr/Bor1956/ > 10R only needs a horizontal top arm [...] > 2R has all three arms in the top head [...] > 4R has two arms in the top head. Clear is not possible here because ... > shoot ... someone help me out ... I was on a roll. I think I can help. Briefly, it's because of the short-block signaling (if that's the correct term) needed because of the short block following [in advance of] the 16R signal. Blocks shorter than braking distance require some subtle changes in the signal aspect sequence - something I have had the opportunity to observe closely at the former HUDSON interlocking (may he rest in peace) near me, but have not had the chance to observe at AR. To flesh this out some: observe from the interlocking diagram that the distance from 4R to 16R is only 742 feet. This is much less than braking distance. If 16R were at Stop, a train going full speed would have a hard time stopping before reaching 16R. The solution at HUDSON, which had a similar short block, was that the signal in the rear, analogous to AR's 4R signal, would show Slow Approach, not Approach, and that the signal in the rear of _that_ one (analogous to AR's 14R signal) would be the one showing Approach. But this does not answer why 4R has no Clear aspect. Look at the diagram again and notice that there are 742 feet from 4R to 16R, and only 932 additional feet, for a total of 1674 feet, to 20R. At 20R the track goes through the curved side of a #15 switch. This distance is still, I suspect, much less than braking distance. Thus, given the distance, 4R must prepare the engineer not only for the portion of the interlocking directly in front of AR tower, but also for the reversed #21 switch. So, if a route were cleared the entire way through the interlocking via #1 track, I would suspect that the aspects would be as follows: 20R - Medium Clear 16R - Approach Medium 4R - Approach Note I am speculating. It would be nice to find someone that has the aspect tree for this interlocking to confirm. Why not Approach Medium at 4R? It _could_ be used, but the diagram indicates no vertical position on the lower arm of 4R. Why would it have not been put in? I suspect so that the same aspect is not repeated on 2 subsequent signals - something which signal engineers try to avoid. > 16R (the next signal) > appears to be able to display Approach Medium (slowdown to 30mph for next > signal) because of the bottom vertical. Medium Clear (30mph) would be the > only other possibility but doesn't seem appropriate because there's no > diverging routes possible. So 4R should be able to display at least the > same as 16R if not better (Approach Medium or Clear which would be better), > but the diagram shows neither of these are possible. This 4R, 16R, 20R > sequence is beyond me. We'll have to seek the advice of someone who > actually does signals for a living. Or quite possibly the drawing is wrong. > Can you check your photo to see if maybe there is a vertical on the bottom > head of 4R? A bottom vertical would make sense on 4R allowing Approach > Medium. > Anyway, on to 6R. 6R has no diverging routes, however, the stopping > distance to 18R is not sufficient to display approach. In general, to > display Approach (stop at next signal), the train must be able to get > stopped from (at least) 30mph. Since 667+75 feet to 18R is insufficient to > stop a 30mph train, this signal displays SlowApproach instead when 18R is at > Stop. > Slow Approach only requires the train to get stopped from 15mph because the > train must not be exceeding 15mph when it passes the Slow Approach. And this is very similar to what I described above for HUDSON. -- Mark D. Bej bejm@eeg.ccf.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:57:56 -0800 Subject: [PRR] Re: Signals Question From: "Douglas Nelson" On closer examination, I now see that there are lower signals on the bridge, but without the targets, making them hard to pick out. For those interested, I have posted the photo on the PRRsignaling (yahoo groups) photo page (I could not seem to post it to the PRR-FAX photo section??). Thanks for the several responses. Doug. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:15:29 -0500 From: "Andrew S. Miller" Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: Signals Question This raises another signals question I have always had. Why does the lower signal never have a target background, or at best only a background behind the "green" aspect? It seems that is the easiest way to tell a PRR position light from a N&W one. The N&W seemed to use full targets behind both. Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org ================================================== Douglas Nelson wrote: > On closer examination, I now see that there are lower signals on the bridge, > but without the targets, making them hard to pick out. > > For those interested, I have posted the photo on the PRRsignaling (yahoo > groups) photo page (I could not seem to post it to the PRR-FAX photo > section??). > > Thanks for the several responses. > > Doug. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:33:48 -0500 From: Mark Bej Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: Signals Question On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 03:15:29PM -0500, Andrew S. Miller wrote: > This raises another signals question I have always had. Why does the lower > signal never have a target background, or at best only a background behind the > "green" aspect? It seems that is the easiest way to tell a PRR position light > from a N&W one. The N&W seemed to use full targets behind both. PRR practice varied on this. I do not know of any PRR documentation stating general rules for when to use what target, but this does not mean such does not exist. >From my own person observation I can give you this much: 1) Interlocking signals often had full targets for both the upper and lower arm. (Note that the full target for the lower arm was not a circle, but had cut-outs on both sides.) This is particularly true west of signals on signal bridges. 2) Distant signals (the signal immediately in the rear of ("before") the home signal) usually had a full target for the upper arm and only the narrow vertical target on the lower arm. 3) In electrified territory, where signals were often placed on the vertical catenary post, the lower arm often had only the narrow vertical target, not the full lower target with the cut off sides. Speculation: this might have been done because of clearance reasons. 4) In many other situations, there seemed (to me) to be no rhyme or reason. I have seen lower arms with: only a vertical | or diagonal / or \ aspect and with a full target a vertical and 1 diagonal aspect, but with only a narrow vertical target all 3 aspects | / \, but with only a narrow vertical target. 5) I do not ever recall seeing a single lower marker light with any sort of target around it. 6) There were only 2 locations to my knowledge where the upper arm had no target at all, and both of these were special signals with short inter-lamp spacing due to the cramped quarters. 7) I have never PRR employ the N&W practice of using a narrow target, placed horizontally, on the upper arm of a signal. N&W often did this on signals whose upper arm only had a horizontal aspect. -- Mark D. Bej bejm@eeg.ccf.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "John Cooper" Subject: Re: [PRR] Signals Question Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:52:31 -0800 -----Original Message----- From: Mark Bej To: John Cooper Cc: Douglas Nelson ; PRR-Talk@dsop.com Date: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [PRR] Signals Question >On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 12:39:06AM -0800, John Cooper wrote: > >> So the question is how do you determine the appropriate set of >> indications needed for a given situation. That's complicated to outline how >> to determine the set, but is fairly easy to work backwards and figure out why >> the set was determined the way it was. > >Actually, I'll disagree with John slightly. I think it can be quite difficult >in some situations to "get in the signal [design] engineer's head" based on >an interlocking diagram alone. Observing from the field gives you essentially >the same info that you get from an interlocking diagram. In places where you >have straight trackage and repetitive, uncomplicated interlockings, this may >be easy. (But note that I said may be, not is.) In places like AR, it can be >quite difficult because of the curves, tunnels, and hills producing limited >sighting distances; and to that add the very complicated trackage arrangements. > Point taken, as I discovered with the 4R,16R,20R sequence. >So, if a route were cleared the entire way through the interlocking via >#1 track, I would suspect that the aspects would be as follows: > 20R - Medium Clear > 16R - Approach Medium > 4R - Approach I assume an Approach Medium in advance of that at 14R? This is a very unusual progression. Surely there must be some engineers on-line somewhere that can confirm this. And what about the diverging route over 7 reverse? As a #15 switch, a Medium Clear would seem appropriate, but there is no bottom vertical. I checked the photo Doug posted and indeed the bottom vertical is not present. John ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:12:32 -0500 From: "Andrew S. Miller" Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: Signals Question As an additional note, I have noticed that there is no PRR aspect (other than interlocking) in which the lower head shows "red". That makes the green-only, and the clipped sides targets possible. -- Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org ================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Brian J Carlson" Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR X30 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:21:34 -0500 I know of 1 page 34 of Bill Caloroso's Elmira Branch book. Car was 1 specially made for the Lafarge Fire Truck Company. I didn't see any in the 3 color guides but it was a quick flip. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Earl Myers To: PRR Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:24 AM Subject: [PRR] PRR X30 Anybody know if a good picture of this Fire Engine carrying boxcar exists?? Earl Myers ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Rob Schoenberg" Subject: RE: [PRR] PRR X30 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:57:42 -0500 Isn't it the American LaFrance company? There's also a photo of the X30 lettered "Experimental" in Wayner's Cars of the Pennsy book... For a diagram and a tiny bit more info, see my web page at: http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=X30 Rob -----Original Message----- From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com]On Behalf Of Brian J Carlson Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:22 PM To: Earl Myers Cc: PRR Talk Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR X30 I know of 1 page 34 of Bill Caloroso's Elmira Branch book. Car was 1 specially made for the Lafarge Fire Truck Company. I didn't see any in the 3 color guides but it was a quick flip. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Earl Myers To: PRR Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:24 AM Subject: [PRR] PRR X30 Anybody know if a good picture of this Fire Engine carrying boxcar exists?? Earl Myers ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Eric Lauterbach" Subject: [PRR] USRA 0-6-0 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:32:32 -0500

Has there been any word on when these will actually be out? I heard that there was an undecorated one at the Hobby Show last weekend. Also, has anyone heard wether the Pennsy version will be in DGLE and have the Pennsy head light and generator placement?
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----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: VVA249@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:43:58 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] USRA 0-6-0 In a message dated 4/2/02 10:26:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, ealauterbach@earthlink.net writes: << Also, has anyone heard wether the Pennsy version will be in DGLE and have the Pennsy head light and generator placement? >> More important question is whether a PRR version will have the standard Pennsy smoke door - Photographic evidence indicates that the USRA headlight and smokebox was very short lived - If they ever even entered servivce that way (photos I have show a standard PRR electric headlamp on what looks to be an oil headlamp bracket) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gregg Mahlkov" Subject: Re: [PRR] USRA 0-6-0 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:16:40 -0500 List: What about the running board ridge on the cab side above the old USRA running board? Gregg Mahlkov ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] USRA 0-6-0 > In a message dated 4/2/02 10:26:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > ealauterbach@earthlink.net writes: > > << Also, has anyone heard wether the Pennsy version will be in DGLE and have > the Pennsy head light and generator placement? >> > > More important question is whether a PRR version will have the standard > Pennsy smoke door - Photographic evidence indicates that the USRA headlight > and smokebox was very short lived - If they ever even entered servivce that > way (photos I have show a standard PRR electric headlamp on what looks to be > an oil headlamp bracket) > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Brian J Carlson" Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR X30 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:21:12 -0500 Thanks, Bill, my bad, I should have read the complete caption. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Laird" To: "Brian J Carlson" Cc: "Talk PRR" Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR X30 > The company that built the fire trucks was "American LaFrance". > > Bill Laird > (Firefighter, many long years ago) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian J Carlson" > To: "Earl Myers" > Cc: "PRR Talk" > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR X30 > > > > I know of 1 page 34 of Bill Caloroso's Elmira Branch book. Car was 1 > > specially made for the Lafarge Fire Truck Company. I didn't see any in the > 3 > > color guides but it was a quick flip. > > > > Brian > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Earl Myers > > To: PRR Talk > > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:24 AM > > Subject: [PRR] PRR X30 > > > > > > Anybody know if a good picture of this Fire Engine carrying boxcar > > exists?? > > Earl Myers > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "dfc PRR 7002" Subject: Re: [PRR] Rau Display at The Library Company Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:05:00 -0500 The Rau exhibit was well worth the trip. After a drive across the commonwealth, my wife and I took the Media Local into Suburban Station and walked a few short blocks to The Library Company. To be able to see these 18x22 original images was breathtaking. The photograph of Johnstown after the flood was very haunting as several buildings that are still there today were very noticable. The clarity of the images was well worth the visit. Thank you to Dan Cupper for the recommendation. I cannot wait to read the book. On a side note, has anyone else noticed that the new Kimmel Center for the Performing Arts looks a lot like the old train shed at the extinct Broad Street Station? DF Cramer--Teacher-Trombonist-Conductor-Historian www.geocities.com/armconband _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:25:50 -0500 Subject: [PRR] Re: Derailment Near Altoona, PA From: Jerry Britton Don't know if you've heard about this, but I got a call from Bill Lewis (president, Northern Central Chapter PRRT&HS) last evening, who heard from Tim Treaster in Lewistown. Apparently they are building a new road in Altoona that parallels the right of way from 24th Street to the Brickyard Crossing. Word has it that a grader rolled over and into a westbound coal train. This train, in turn, knocked into an eastbound truck train, and it into yet a third train. System was totally closed as of last evening! On 4/2/02 7:46 PM, NS Service Alert at (owner-alert@nscorp.com) wrote: > > Norfolk Southern Service Alert > > Derailment Near Altoona, PA > > April 2, 2002 > > A Norfolk Southern train derailed 10 miles west of Altoona, PA, > Tuesday, April 2, 2002, blocking all mainlines. > > Efforts are currently underway to clear and repair the tracks. > Traffic moving through this area may incur delays. Updates > will be posted as details are made available. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@pennsyrr.com Member, PRRT&HS "Merchandise Service", a division of Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc., is a reseller of model railroad and railroadiana products. "MS" is also host to the web site "Keystone Crossings", the domain PENNSYRR.COM, and the mailing lists "PRR-Talk", "Conrail- Talk", and "Reading-Talk". When you purchase through "MS", you are providing financial support to these Internet endeavors. Please visit our eCommerce web site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ------------------------------Thank you!----------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SHanlon@dnr.state.md.us Subject: [PRR] NS on fire at Altoona Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:31:59 -0500 http://www.wtajtv.com/pixpage.html -steve hanlon ########################################### This message has been scanned for viruses. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ndbprr@att.net Subject: [PRR] Altoona wreck Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 16:47:24 +0000 This link will take you to a brief article on the event. There is a second page of pictures you can access from the link. Except for the injury it doesn't appear to be too serious an event. www.geocities.com/cprg44/00NP/nws.html ------------------------------------------------ Get the award winning ISP, AT&T WorldNet Service http://download.att.net/webtag ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:52:02 -0800 (PST) From: robert netzlof Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: Derailment Near Altoona, PA --- Jerry Britton wrote: [...] > Apparently they are building a new road in Altoona > that parallels the right > of way from 24th Street to the Brickyard Crossing. > Word has it that a grader > rolled over and into a westbound coal train. This > train, in turn, knocked > into an eastbound truck train, and it into yet a > third train. That is what I heard as of WTAJ noon news (2 April). However, the 11:00 pm news sounded more like: 1) Container/Trailer train derailed, cause not known 2) Coal trains (both empty) derailed by collision with cars from first train 3) Cars from one coal train fell over and around the backhoe, trapping the operator As noted in another post, www.wtajtv.com has several photos, some of them taken by a doctor on the medevac helicopter. ===== Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Cadwell, Marvin L" Subject: RE: [PRR] Re: Derailment Near Altoona, PA Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:06:34 -0600 No disruption in service would have ocurred if Conrail had not abandoned Muleshoe! -----Original Message----- From: robert netzlof [mailto:wb3iqe@rocketmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:52 AM To: Jerry Britton; PRR-Talk; Conrail-Talk Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: Derailment Near Altoona, PA --- Jerry Britton wrote: [...] > Apparently they are building a new road in Altoona > that parallels the right > of way from 24th Street to the Brickyard Crossing. > Word has it that a grader > rolled over and into a westbound coal train. This > train, in turn, knocked > into an eastbound truck train, and it into yet a > third train. That is what I heard as of WTAJ noon news (2 April). However, the 11:00 pm news sounded more like: 1) Container/Trailer train derailed, cause not known 2) Coal trains (both empty) derailed by collision with cars from first train 3) Cars from one coal train fell over and around the backhoe, trapping the operator As noted in another post, www.wtajtv.com has several photos, some of them taken by a doctor on the medevac helicopter. ===== Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:11:03 -0800 (PST) From: robert netzlof Subject: [PRR] The derailment near Altoona WTAJ just (12:05 3 April) aired an interview with a guy wearing an NS hard hat. He said: 1) A portion of the hillside gave way, dumping rocks and dirt into the side of an empty coal train. 2) Cars from the empty coal train "bulged out" into the container train on the next track. 3) Cars from the container train, in turn, pushed cars of a loaded coal train on the third track off the track. The pictures in the background of all this showed several backhoes moving dirt and rocks. Several NS TopGons sitting clear of the track, one on its side looking very burned. I heard no definite statement, but thought I saw at least one track clear through the site. ===== Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 12:12:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: Derailment Near Altoona, PA From: Jerry Britton On 4/3/02 12:06 PM, Cadwell, Marvin L (cadwelml@bp.com) wrote: > No disruption in service would have ocurred if Conrail had not abandoned > Muleshoe! > ...or kept a fourth track in service (debatable). ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. 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From: JONS6755@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:30:11 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Altoona wreck --part1_157.badf928.29dc9623_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/3/02 8:59:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, ndbprr@att.net writes: > Except for the injury it doesn't > appear to be too serious an event. > Injury or no injury. . . Any accident of this magnitude that shuts down the entire three track main line of a major railroad is a "serious event" ! Jon S. --part1_157.badf928.29dc9623_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/3/02 8:59:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, ndbprr@att.net writes:


Except for the injury it doesn't
appear to be too serious an event.


Injury or no injury. . . Any accident of this magnitude that shuts down the entire three track main line of a major railroad is a "serious event" !

Jon S. --part1_157.badf928.29dc9623_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: JONS6755@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:33:36 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: Derailment Near Altoona, PA --part1_f8.193fc809.29dc96f0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/3/02 9:27:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, jerry@pennsyrr.com writes: > ...or kept a fourth track in service (debatable). > Murphys Law says... If there still was a forth track still in service we would have a forth train involved in this mess ! ! ;-) Jon S. --part1_f8.193fc809.29dc96f0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/3/02 9:27:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, jerry@pennsyrr.com writes:


...or kept a fourth track in service (debatable).


Murphys Law says... If there still was a forth track still in service we would have a forth train involved in this mess ! !  ;-)

Jon S. --part1_f8.193fc809.29dc96f0_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SHanlon@dnr.state.md.us Subject: [PRR] of Muleshoe Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:34:01 -0500 >:No disruption in service would have ocurred if Conrail had >:not abandoned Muleshoe! we all know the reasons behind CR abandoning Muleshoe. Sure traffic would be kept moving, but a bottleneck would have occurred at the wye and thus the railroad would have been jammed to the hilt. they would have had to stage the trains on the main so the helpers would never have to deadhead up or down the mountian blocking the route. if they left the Holidaysburg and Peterburg branch in place, they would have had an easier time of getting eastbound loads out of the way. PRR had a great deal of redundant lines, but they were not there to keep trains moving, they existed in a time when there were line-side customers. -steve hanlon ########################################### This message has been scanned for viruses. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ndbprr@att.net Subject: Re: [PRR] Altoona wreck Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:52:52 +0000 I didn't say it wasn't serious. I said it wasn't too serious. I doubt if the clean up will take very long to get at least two of the tracks back in service in a short period of time. No engines were involved. There doesn't appear to be any signaling or other infrastucture damaged. There were no hazardous materials involved. Etc. The costs should be minimal for this type of event. Yes it shuts down the hill while they clean it up but it could have been a lot worse. The train coming down grade could have piled a lot more cars into the event. So it remains more of an incovenience and delay then something that is going to require days and millions to repair. It is a minor wreck compared to the potential. They will shove the cars down the embankment and have things rolling again in fairly short order. The cost of the wreck and this is the first one to shut down the hill that I remember is probably far less than the cost would have been to maintain Muleshoe for all these years it has been gone. > In a message dated 4/3/02 8:59:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, ndbprr@att.net > writes: > > > > Except for the injury it doesn't > > appear to be too serious an event. > > > > Injury or no injury. . . Any accident of this magnitude that shuts down the > entire three track main line of a major railroad is a "serious event" ! > > Jon S. ------------------------------------------------ Get the award winning ISP, AT&T WorldNet Service http://download.att.net/webtag ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Al Buchan Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:16:33 -0500 Subject: [PRR-FAX] Roberta Adams It is with much regret that I advise you that PRRT&HS President Dick Adams' wife Roberta, has passed away. A service will be held at 11 AM at The Pine Street Presbyterian Church, 310 North Third Street, Harrisburg, PA on Saturday 6 April 2002. (717-238-9304) Al ------------------------ Yahoo! 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(717-238-9304) Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:24:28 -0500 (EST) From: Derrick J Brashear Subject: Re: [PRR] Altoona wreck When I got to the area around 1:30pm, track 1 was passable and traffic was moving. Track 2 was cleared, with a speed restriction and a guard posted, at 2:02pm. The "last" westbound on track 1 cleared at 2:09pm. The speed restriction was from milepost 239.0 to 240.0, and nothing was visible from the road aside from Hulcher's trailers, which were parked at the brickyard crossing. While I was there, they brought all their equipment out and started loading it. -D ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:42:22 -0600 Subject: [PRR] RE: PRR those other E-8s From: Beth Caples The other unit #5898 was sold to the St. Louis Iron Mountain and Southern RR near Cape Girardeau, MO. I saw the unit there in Nov. of 2000 and it still looked "intact". It had surface rust and was not polished like I saw it when it ran on the Blue Mountain and Reading RR. It was a sad sight but from what I understand the new owners do have future plans for the loco. John Caples ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:42:22 -0600 Subject: [PRR] RE: PRR those other E-8s From: Beth Caples The other unit #5898 was sold to the St. Louis Iron Mountain and Southern RR near Cape Girardeau, MO. I saw the unit there in Nov. of 2000 and it still looked "intact". It had surface rust and was not polished like I saw it when it ran on the Blue Mountain and Reading RR. It was a sad sight but from what I understand the new owners do have future plans for the loco. John Caples ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: KEMACPRR@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 23:59:50 EST Subject: [PRR] New PRR decals Just a heads up . Some of the new PRR decals I mentioned which were at the East Coast Hobby show have hit the streets. The 87-21 diesel set and the 87-1210 cabin car set are at hobby shops this week. I picked up my sets at Rule's in Manheim Pa this afternoon. ---------------- Ken McCorry ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:21:03 -0600 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: [PRR] PRRT&HS Model Room Howdy Y'all, 28 modeling days to the annual meeting! I hope you modelers are working on something to bring! In keeping with the idea of bringing models that "match" some of the presentations, I opened a Westerfield GRa kit last night...don't know if that one will make it to the meeting! One other thing...please let me know OFF list (smithbf@mail.auburn.edu) if 1) You are planning on shipping models to the meeting and 2) if you would need a "return" shipping pickup at the hotel. Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. 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I think I stumbled onto a photo of a similar tower, this one located in Buzzard's Bay, MA - ex. NYNH&H RR Co. http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?200203050912292889.jpg:byrail::byrail%3A3%3ACape_Cod_Central I haven't seen too many of these, then again I haven't been researching this, just happened upon it. Would this make #5 on your list Bob? (See message below) Ben Sullivan PRRT&HS #6998 Date: Saturday, December 29, 2001 at 9:41 PM (show header) From: robert netzlof (wb3iqe@rocketmail.com) Subject: Re: [PRR] Pennsy Interlocking Tower No reason it should, for it was built by the Buffalo, Rochester and Pittsburgh Railway. It is one of 4 that I know of: 1) C&M Junction, a couple miles SE of DuBois. 2) The one you saw. 3) About 12 miles north of DuBois, where the Erie-owned West Clarion RR left/joined the BR&P. 4) Ashford, NY where the Buffalo and Rochester lines diverged. There were other BR&P towers, but I know of no others of that design. The BR&P main line was extensively re-located/re-built in the first decade of the 20th century and those towers date from that time. The B&O bought the BR&P in 1931. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 11:51:19 -0500 Subject: [PRR] Updated Story Behind Derailment at Altoona From: Jerry Britton What follows is the most thorough explanation I have seen yet about the Altoona wreck. Pictures can be seen at the following but it takes awhilte to download. http://www.wtajtv.com/pixpage.html MAJOR DERAILMENT BLOCKS TRIPLE MAIN IN ALTOONA, PA: What may have started as a routine day for one Norfolk Southern maintenance worker, ended in a nightmare for him and the railroad company as a whole. A large backhoe tractor was working along the railroad's busy triple-track Pittsburgh Line, just west of Altoona, Pennsylvania, when it allegedly slid off an embankment and into the side of westbound empty hopper train 593-01 on number three track. The 3,794-ton, 128-car train experienced an emergency brake application after the tractor impacted the train and derailed thirteen hoppers at 16:30 EST yesterday afternoon. Train 593-01 cars derailed into the side of double-stack train 20G-02, operating eastbound on number two track, derailing fifteen double-stack well cars and sparking a fire. Simultaneously, 12,730-ton, 95-car loaded coal train 506-02, operating eastbound on number one track, was impacted by derailing double-stack wells and sent one coal hopper off the rails. Fire from the wreckage quickly spread to the adjacent hillside, ridden with dry brush. Wreckage blocked all three tracks of the Pittsburgh Line, just east of the McGarvey Signal at milepost 239.7. The backhoe operator was trapped for a period of time, however escaped serious injury and spent the night in an Altoona hospital. None of the train crews were injured in the mishap. Two divisions of Hulcher Wrecking Services were dispatched to the scene and were expected to arrive before 01:00 EST. Acccording to Norfolk Southern, number one track would be back in service as soon as the single derailed coal hopper was rerailed and train 506-01 cleared from the line. Trackage was not damaged under the wrecked coal hopper and officials expected to have trains rolling through the area by early this morning, albeit with slow orders in place. Firefighters on the ground were assisted by helicopters dropping water to help extinguish the mountain fire that consumed several acres. Railroad crews were expected to replace at least eighty feet of trackage on number two track and more than 120-feet of trackage on number three track. Crews from Hulcher and the railroad were constructing a new access road along the Pittsburgh Line between 24th Street and the Mill Run Road (Brickyard) grade crossing. Amtrak canceled service between Altoona and Pittsburgh, busing passengers around the wreckage. Norfolk Southern held dozens of trains on either side of the wreckage, staging them for movement through the wreck site today. An investigation is under way to determine how the tractor wound up fouling the right-of-way and the circumstances behind the derailment. (Information courtesy of Kevein Burkholder/Eastern Rail News ) ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. 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Norm Bell ------------------------------------------------ Get the award winning ISP, AT&T WorldNet Service http://download.att.net/webtag ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 12:42:57 -0500 From: "Andrew S. Miller" Subject: Re: [PRR] BR&P style interlocking tower in Buzzard's Bay, MA (?) This style of tower was very common on the NH. Buzzards Bay is just one of them. Many more exist on the corridor. The B&M had at least one that I have heard of. I was surprised to hear that the prototype for the Ertl model was the BR&P. -- Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org ================================================== Benjamin Sullivan wrote: > Hi all, > > In a thread from a few months back there was a discussion about the concrete, > "pagoda-style" roof interlocking towers located on the BR&P (Buffalo, Rochester > & Pittsburgh). I think I stumbled onto a photo of a similar tower, this one > located in Buzzard's Bay, MA - ex. NYNH&H RR Co. > > http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?200203050912292889.jpg:byrail::byrail%3A3%3ACape_Cod_Central > > I haven't seen too many of these, then again I haven't been researching this, > just happened upon it. Would this make #5 on your list Bob? (See message below) > > Ben Sullivan > PRRT&HS #6998 > > Date: > Saturday, December 29, 2001 at 9:41 PM (show header) > > From: > robert netzlof (wb3iqe@rocketmail.com) > > Subject: > Re: [PRR] Pennsy Interlocking Tower > > No reason it should, for it was built by the Buffalo, > Rochester and Pittsburgh Railway. It is one of 4 that > I know of: > > 1) C&M Junction, a couple miles SE of DuBois. > 2) The one you saw. > 3) About 12 miles north of DuBois, where the > Erie-owned West Clarion RR left/joined the BR&P. > 4) Ashford, NY where the Buffalo and Rochester lines > diverged. > > There were other BR&P towers, but I know of no others > of that design. The BR&P main line was extensively > re-located/re-built in the first decade of the 20th > century and those towers date from that time. The B&O > bought the BR&P in 1931. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:11:44 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Altoona wreck In a message dated 4/4/02 11:18:56 AM Central Standard Time, ndbprr@att.net writes: << In looking at the pictures the empty westbound hoppers appear to be silver. Would that make them Maintenance of way hoppers or ballast cars? >> Pictures are pretty dim, but look like regular unit train coal hopper/gons to me. I think these were originally made from aluminum. Are other materials such as unpainted alloy steel used now as well? Bob Zoeller Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 13:17:12 -0500 Subject: [PRR] Rt. 39 Bridge Over RoW in Harrisburg From: Jerry Britton Route 39 (aka Lingoestown Road) crosses the ex-PRR main line just below Rockville and about 1/4 mile inland from the river. Today the bridge is a typical steel/concrete structure. Does anyone know what kind of bridge was here prior...back in the 1950's days? I am making the assumption that Route 39 was in existence then, perhaps not by that name. On my layout I have compressed the distance from State Street in Harrisburg to Route 39 to "zero". I am considering using a view block through the layout with the corresponding bridges on either side. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gregg Mahlkov" Subject: Fw: [PRR] Altoona wreck Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:48:08 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregg Mahlkov" To: Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] Altoona wreck > Folks, > > It looks to me from viewing the TV Station's web pictures, that the cars > derailed were NS's "Top Gon" coal gondolas made from hoppers. NS Painted > these gray to insure they were not mistaken for hoppers at the mines. > > Gregg Mahlkov > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: [PRR] Altoona wreck > > > > In a message dated 4/4/02 11:18:56 AM Central Standard Time, > ndbprr@att.net > > writes: > > > > << In looking at the pictures the empty westbound hoppers > > appear to be silver. Would that make them Maintenance > > of way hoppers or ballast cars? >> > > > > Pictures are pretty dim, but look like regular unit train coal hopper/gons > to > > me. I think these were originally made from aluminum. Are other materials > > such as unpainted alloy steel used now as well? > > > > Bob Zoeller > > > > Bob Zoeller > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: 05 Apr 2002 10:02:34 -0500 From: Doug Drew Subject: [PRR] RE: Altoona wreck/NS hoppers Reply to: RE: Altoona wreck/NS hoppers Norm Bell wrote: "In looking at the pictures the empty westbound hoppers appear to be silver. Would that make them Maintenance of way hoppers or ballast cars?" I believe these are NS "Top Gon" coal gondolas. Not for MOW or Ballast service, but coal cars. Not sure what color NS paints their MOW equipment. According to this site: http://www.krunk.org/~joeshaw/pics/ns/coal-gon/ they *are* aluminum. I thought Top Gons were conversions from steel hoppers and just repainted, but apparently not. Doug Drew ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:28:30 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] RE: Altoona wreck/NS hoppers --part1_70.1aabd0c1.29df1c9e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 04/05/2002 10:09:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, ddrew@channing-bete.com writes: > they *are* aluminum. I thought Top Gons were conversions > from steel hoppers and just repainted, but apparently not. > > Doug, If you get close enough and can read the fine print on the side of the Top Gons, you will see a "Rebodied" date. Most of these were rebodied in the 80's and early 90's. The original cars were 60's vintage. Rich Orr --part1_70.1aabd0c1.29df1c9e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 04/05/2002 10:09:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, ddrew@channing-bete.com writes:


they *are* aluminum. I thought Top Gons were conversions
from steel hoppers and just repainted, but apparently not.



Doug,

If you get close enough and can read the fine print on the side of the Top Gons, you will see a "Rebodied" date.  Most of these were rebodied in the 80's and early 90's.  The original cars were 60's vintage.  

Rich Orr --part1_70.1aabd0c1.29df1c9e_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 11:34:23 -0500 Subject: [PRR] TANGENT - Web Hosting From: Jerry Britton The Internet costs of providing railroad web and list services through Desktop Solutions are offset by financial support from advertisers and companies that have their commercial web hosting via the system. We only solicit enough commercial web hosting business to offset our costs. Though there is no jeopardy for current services, we recently have lost two of our commercial hosting customers. They have grown to a point that they are both taking their systems in-house. Therefore, I am looking to replace this lost income with new hosting customers. If your company has a need for hosting, we offer several plans, from a Basic plan to a full eCommerce plan. We are also introducing a new Entry Level eCommerce Plan. It has a limit of 100 products and customer payments are received via PayPal only. For more information, please see http://www.dsop.com/webhosting.ws4d Please contact sales@dsop.com off-list for more information. Thank you. I repeat, current railroad list and web services are not at risk. Unlike Yahoo, we are not inserting ads into list mail, we are not inserting ads randomly as you search the list archives, and we are not releasing your e-mail address information to e-mail marketers (this happened last week, if you didn't know). With the exception of the sole rotating banner ads that top some web pages, we do not plan any changes. Continue to enjoy! ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 11:36:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] "The Rockville Limited" From: Jerry Britton For some reason, this list member did not wish to post direct... On 4/5/02 11:30 AM, James Kelling (james.kelling@nara.gov) wrote: > You may want to point out to your list members that a PRR boxcar (built 3-51) > sits on the right just after you pass the Conowingo dam overpass. Its shadow > Keystone is barely visible on the side that you will see, but looks better on > the other side. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 11:39:55 -0500 From: "Vagel C. Keller, Jr." Subject: Re: [PRR] of Muleshoe --On Wednesday, April 3, 2002 12:34 -0500 SHanlon@dnr.state.md.us wrote: > >> :No disruption in service would have ocurred if Conrail had >> :not abandoned Muleshoe! > > PRR had a great deal of redundant lines, but they were not there to keep > trains moving, they existed in a time when there were line-side customers. ---------------- A couple observations that may, if you wish, be taken as questions needing an answer/reply: 1) The paper mill (now just an envelop making plant) at Williamsburg on the Little Juniata and the small stone quarry a few miles east of Hollidaysburg were hardly justification enough to construct the high fill and miles of winding grade through subsistence farming and hunt-for-food country that is the Petersburg cut-off. 2) I thought the Petersburg cut-off was constructed specifically to allow through traffic of a bulk-tonnage nature to bypass Altoona congestion. 3) The geniuses in the Main Line of Public Works built the New Portage line (muleshoe curve and tunnel), not the PRR. 4) I thought that the only reason the PRR/PC maintained the Petersburg cut-off/new portage line as long as it did was as a by-pass. Of course, PC might have kept it going because it was too high and dry to have six feet of roadbed washed out by flooding, thereby justifying abandonment! Vagel Keller Pittsburgh ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SHanlon@dnr.state.md.us Subject: RE: [PRR] of Muleshoe Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:09:43 -0500 >:The paper mill (now just an envelop making plant) at >:Williamsburg on the Little Juniata and the small stone quarry a few miles east of >:Hollidaysburg were hardly justification enough to construct the high fill >:and miles of winding grade through subsistence farming and hunt-for-food >:country that is the Petersburg cut-off. >:2) I thought the Petersburg cut-off was constructed >:specifically to allow >:through traffic of a bulk-tonnage nature to bypass Altoona congestion. the "petersburg cut-off" is not a cut-off. it was the original alignment of the main line. the new line was built to tyrone as the cut-off. >:3) The geniuses in the Main Line of Public Works built the >:New Portage line (muleshoe curve and tunnel), not the PRR. correct, but the PRR did use and use it they did. millions of tons were carried over the route to get slow moving coal and empties out of the way of the express trains. >:4) I thought that the only reason the PRR/PC maintained the >:Petersburg cut-off/new portage line as long as it did was as a by-pass. >:Of course, PC might have kept it going because it was too high and dry to >:have six feet of roadbed washed out by flooding, thereby justifying abandonment! late prr/pc did not have the traffic volume and they just didn't use it "as much" or if a train was to be routed south to hollidaysburg/bedford/toward cumberland. -steve ########################################### This message has been scanned for viruses. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: zootowerprr@webtv.net (Dave Hopson) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:52:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: [PRR] of Muleshoe Talking to some PRR/PC employees in the Altoona area, the New Portage Branch was kept for mostly westbound ore drags. A PRR dispatcher told me that once a w/b ore train got past SLOPE interlocking, the mainline was down to three tracks because of the slow movement of those trains. Ore trains had to have at least 8 diesels (midtrain,rearend) just to do 15-20mph. In the 1960s, the Pennsy was still using that line for such trains. The first time I visited the Horseshoe/Gallitzin area was in 1975. The line was overgrown with weeds, but PC was still using it. I not sure but i think PC stop using it for ore drags by then. Just locals out of Hollidaysburg. I don't think that the New Portage Branch could handle a 12,000 ton ore train by the mid 70s. The track looked real bad. Dave Hopson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: hanel29@att.net Subject: [PRR] Possible virus Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 01:02:46 +0000 Subject: ALERT TO A VIRUS Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:47:03 EST Subject: Virus (FOR THOSE THAT DONT KNOW, "WATCH" STANDS FOR THE WORLD TRADE CENTER......WHICH MAKES THIS VIRUS REALLY DANGEROUS BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL OPEN IT RIGHT AWAY.....THINKING ITS A STORY RELATING TO 9/11.....PLEASE BE CAREFUL....... :) BIGGS TROUBLE !!!! DO NOT OPEN "WATCH Survivor"! It is a virus that will erase your whole "CO" drive. It will come to you in the form of an I-Mail from a familiar person. I repeat, a friend sent it to me, but called and warned me before I opened it. He was not so lucky and now he can't even start his computer! Forward this to everyone in your address book. I would rather receive this 25 times than not at all. If you receive an email called "WATCH Survivor" Do Not Open It. Delete it right away! This virus removes all dynamic link libraries (.dll files) from your computer. ------------------------------------------------ Get the award winning ISP, AT&T WorldNet Service http://download.att.net/webtag ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 20:18:20 -0500 Subject: [PRR] PRRT&HS Convention Layout Tours From: "Jerry @ pennsyrr.com" This evening I have finalized the layout tour arrangements for this year's convention. You may view details at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/prrths/. There are six layouts off-site plus one modular layout on-site. Five are HO scale, one is N scale, and one is 1" scale. Four run on Digitrax DCC. One runs on live steam. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton jerry@pennsyrr.com http://kc.pennsyrr.com Modeling the PRR in 1954 in N scale -- http//kc.pennsyrr.com/layout/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: JONS6755@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:25:27 EST Subject: [PRR] N.S. Wreek Questions --part1_156.bc661d5.29dfb697_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Two questions about the N.S. wreek of earler this week. One, which direction was the mixed freight on the center track traveling, east or west? And Two, does anyone know if there where any UPS containers or trailers mixed into the train? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks Jon S. --part1_156.bc661d5.29dfb697_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Two questions about the N.S. wreek of earler this week. One, which direction was the mixed freight on the center track traveling, east or west?  And Two, does anyone know if there where any UPS containers or trailers mixed into the train?
Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks
Jon S. --part1_156.bc661d5.29dfb697_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 20:54:18 -0600 Subject: [PRR] PRR (sort of): Montour RR From: "Donald E. Harper, Jr" Yunz I have always been partial to the Montour RR. I played at Montour Junction on the P&LE when I was a kid, and a lot of my family roots, going back to my gr-gr-gr-gr-great grandfather, is in Imperial, right on the Montour line. It is, as you are all aware, difficult to get cars lettered for the Montour, even though Montour hoppers were a common sight in PRR (and P&LE) coal drags. This may be remedied in the near future. I queried the folks at Longview Shops (http://members.aol.com/longvwshop/LVS/LVSMR.htm) specialists in Pittsburgh area railroading, about whether they ever planned on making Montour hopper decals in the 17000 series for USRA hoppers. Here is their reply: - - - - - From: LongvwShop@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:09:29 EST To: polychaete@ev1.net Subject: Re: Montour RR Hi Don, We are hoping this year to do a bunch of different USRA hopper schemes on the Accurail cars. These will be very low volume, limited run kit projects. For the Montour that would include the 15000, 16000, and 17000 series in possibly a couple schemes each but definately as they were delivered and as well, the 17000 "Coal goes to war" scheme. We are not started on these yet but would like to get them completed this year. Ed LVS - - - - - So if any of you besides me is interested in getting a bunch of USRA hoppers and lettering them for the Montour, drop these guys a line and encourage them to get to work. By the way, Accurail has a single Montour hopper in the 17000 series available. To see what the lettering would look like, check it out at: http://www.accurail.com/accurail/art/2500/2526.jpg Don Harper ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 08:45:20 -0500 From: WAJK4@aol.com Subject: [PRR] Rockville Bridge Party If I remember correctly, today is the party for Rockville Bridge in Marysville. I heard that there is going to be a post card offered for the first time today with a special cancelation during this event. If anyone is going today I have a request to make... please pick up three of the postcards for me and I will make sure to pay you for them as well as postage. Please contact me off of this list if you are able to do this for me. Thank you very much. Walt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Kevin Trichtinger" Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR (sort of): Montour RR Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 09:27:25 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald E. Harper, Jr" > Yunz > It is, as you are all aware, difficult to get cars lettered for the > Montour, even though Montour hoppers were a common sight in PRR (and P&LE) > coal drags. This may be remedied in the near future. > Good news indeed. Montour hoppers were a staple on the PRR Chartiers branch, from the interchange at Hills Station. I can remember them sometimes outnumbering the PRR hoppers. They're one of the things I can really use. That, and an N6b. And Longview Shops does very nice work. I've got a few of their P&WV channel side hoppers. Peace Kevin T. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:36:52 EST Subject: [PRR] PRR EMD E Units --part1_11b.ea1361e.29e10ac4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List, Did the Pennsy own E units prior to the purchase of the E-7? Many thanks, Evan Leisey --part1_11b.ea1361e.29e10ac4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List,

 Did the Pennsy own E units prior to the purchase of the E-7?

Many thanks,

Evan Leisey --part1_11b.ea1361e.29e10ac4_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gregg Mahlkov" Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR EMD E Units Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 22:17:41 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1DDB8.DE20D860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Evan,=20 Remember, the PRR was busy trying to perfect the T1 duplex, so did not = order passenger Diesels until after World War II, by which time the E7 = was in production. Gregg Mahlkov ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RDG2124@aol.com=20 To: PRR-Talk@dsop.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 9:36 PM Subject: [PRR] PRR EMD E Units List,=20 Did the Pennsy own E units prior to the purchase of the E-7?=20 Many thanks,=20 Evan Leisey=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1DDB8.DE20D860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Remember, the PRR was busy trying to perfect the T1 = duplex, so=20 did not order passenger Diesels until after World War II, by which time = the E7=20 was in production.
 
Gregg Mahlkov
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 Did=20 the Pennsy own E units prior to the purchase of the E-7?

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Evan Leisey ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1DDB8.DE20D860-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 08:32:50 EDT Subject: [PRR] PRR EMD E units --part1_26.25d1a3b5.29e19672_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List, Thanks for the responses to the question of the Pennsy ever having E units earlier than the E-6 diesels. Many thanks, Evan Leisey --part1_26.25d1a3b5.29e19672_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List,

 Thanks for the responses to the question of the Pennsy ever having E units earlier than the E-6 diesels.  

Many thanks,

Evan Leisey --part1_26.25d1a3b5.29e19672_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Subject: [PRR] a bunch of (B-1) Rats Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 08:55:53 -0400 Hi All, There was some recent discussion on my S Scale list about the B-1 Rat switcher, because of the photos I posted of Keith Thompson's beautiful Scratchbuilt B-1. I purchased the following photo yesterday at the Phila. Chapter meeting of the PRR T&HS because I thought it was interesting. http://users.snip.net/~billlane/b1.jpg The back says it is 46th St. in Philadelphia 2-62. Enjoy! Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 08:55:53 -0400 Subject: [PRR-FAX] a bunch of (B-1) Rats Hi All, There was some recent discussion on my S Scale list about the B-1 Rat switcher, because of the photos I posted of Keith Thompson's beautiful Scratchbuilt B-1. I purchased the following photo yesterday at the Phila. Chapter meeting of the PRR T&HS because I thought it was interesting. http://users.snip.net/~billlane/b1.jpg The back says it is 46th St. in Philadelphia 2-62. Enjoy! Bill ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Find the Best Software/ Application Developers at Elance Post Your Project for FREE to receive Competitive Proposals from multiple vendors http://us.click.yahoo.com/DmjnND/8A0DAA/cosFAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 07:56:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Andrews Subject: [PRR] Rockville Limited My wife and I are really looking forward to next Saturday's trip. Jerry's original post mentioned parking in a nearby parking deck. Does anyone know for sure that the deck will be open that early on a saturday morning? I'm kind of leery of parking all day on a city street that's 80 miles from home. Joe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Eric Lauterbach" Subject: [PRR] Broadway Limited Imports Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:56:39 -0400

Has anyone heard when they will have samples of their upcoming Hudson available for viewing? Last I head they were supposed to have samples in March. I am waiting until I see the Hudson before making a decision on the M1b.
Eric
 
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----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:01:39 EDT Subject: [PRR] PRR's first two E units In a message dated 4/7/02 2:12:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, PRR-Talk@dsop.com writes: << Subject: PRR EMD E Units From: Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:36:52 EST --part1_11b.ea1361e.29e10ac4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List, Did the Pennsy own E units prior to the purchase of the E-7? Many thanks, Evan Leisey >> Evan, No. One of my all-time favorite Trains magazine articles was "A Reputation for Reliability" by W.A. Gardner, in January 1979 trains. It describes the installation at Harrisburg of the first two E-7A's (5900+5901) in "early fall 1945", arriving the same day as the first two production T-1's (5501 and 5501). This yarn goes on to reveal that at 6 months, these E's, running every day, had accumulated 69000 miles, while the highest-mileage T-1 had run "only 2800". Note that both models were brand new and going through their teething problems. But the diesel availablity was much higher. Rick Tipton Business manager for the Jack Fravert collection, an estate including builder plates, number plates, railroad hardware, books, paper collectibles, and other railroadiana. Email RickTipton@aol.com Phone or fax 502-228-4997 (8am to 8pm please) Wolf Penn Station 5108 Wolf Pen Woods Drive Prospect, KY 40059-9197 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Chrisandbelton2@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 21:51:03 EDT Subject: [PRR] PRRT&HS Discussion Wwb --part1_93.1b127461.29e25187_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All of this weekend, whenever I try to go to the Discussion Web on the PRRT& HS site, all I can get is a pop-up for the Yellow Pages. Is there something wrong with their site or is the problem my system?? Someone please advise. Thanks, Chris --part1_93.1b127461.29e25187_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit