From: Mark Bej Subject: Re: [PRR] Named freights Date: Fri, 21 Dec 101 13:31:40 -0500 (EST) Norm Bell scribit: > > I saw a reference to the "Ace" yesterday. Can anyone giove me any details > please? Also what name freights ran on the corridor between Zoo and > Trenton. Thank you, Norm Bell Norm et al., please see my pages at http://broadway.pennsyrr.com/Rail/Prr/Frtsched/ for answers to all ofthese questions, and more ... at least for 1960. Jerry has also scanned a shorter version of the freight schedules for Keystone Crossings. -- Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: hanel29@att.net Subject: [PRR] Atheard Mikado as PRR L-2 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 02:21:43 +0000 >From Hank Englisch - Cal-Scale is advertising a superdetailing kit to make a PRR L-2 from an Athearn 2-8-2 Mikado (HO). Some questions - 1. Will the loco and S-D kit make up into a credible PRR representation? 2. Anyone have experience with this - if so what is your estimate of skill level required? 3. Would it be necessary to buy the undec, hi-headlight version,(#9011)in order to proceed? 4. Is the tender supplied with the loco the right PRR tender? 5. Any general comments will be much appreciated. HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL ! -HANK ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 02:41:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: Bowser (MP54s) From: "M. E Allen" Or the Union Transportation Company, Tuckerton RR, NYS&W, Midland Continental, Piedmont and Northern, or the Washington Terminal Company. MEA On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:49:40 -0800 (PST) robert netzlof writes: > --- N2ICV[SMTP:N2ICV@home.com] said: > > Lets not forget the P-RSL. > > --- John Cooper wrote: > > Nor Penn Central > > and I add: > > 1) Ligonier Valley RR had one, and borrowed/rented > several for special events at Idlewild Park. > > 2) Once, sometime during WW2 saw a P-RSL MP-54 in a > Pittsburgh to Derry commuter train. > > > > ===== > Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just > $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "pgrace" Subject: Re: [PRR] Atheard Mikado as PRR L-2 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:04:37 -0000 Hank, It is worth looking at the photo on page 47 of "America's Workhorse Locomotive: the 2-8-2", to see if you think that the effort involved is worth it. I looked when the model first came out and decided that the differences such as they are,are far to minor. Glad Jul... Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 2:21 AM Subject: [PRR] Atheard Mikado as PRR L-2 > >From Hank Englisch - Cal-Scale is advertising a > superdetailing kit to make a PRR L-2 from an Athearn > 2-8-2 Mikado (HO). Some questions - > 1. Will the loco and S-D kit make up into a credible PRR > representation? > 2. Anyone have experience with this - if so what is your > estimate of skill level required? > 3. Would it be necessary to buy the undec, hi-headlight > version,(#9011)in order to proceed? > 4. Is the tender supplied with the loco the right PRR > tender? > 5. Any general comments will be much appreciated. > > HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL ! -HANK > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "aidrian.bridgeman-sutton" Subject: Re: [PRR] Atheard Mikado as PRR L-2 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:34:05 -0000 > 1. Will the loco and S-D kit make up into a credible PRR > representation? Without knowing the contents of the superdetailing kit, I wouln't want to comment.However the basic Athearn model will make up into a credible PRR engine with minimal work, so the kit should be too hard to work with > 2. Anyone have experience with this - if so what is your > estimate of skill level required? Based on typical detailing kits basic drilling, filing, gluing and painting skills will be needed. You'll find that the changes needed are pretty minimal - I can't help feeling this would be a really good starter project for a beginner. The most obvious change in service is that the smokebox front and door was changed to a more Pennsy-ish look with a small door and that distinctive headlight bracket and lamp. If you want to get more involved you can try scraping off some of the moulded pipes and fiitings and replacing them with wire and castings > 3. Would it be necessary to buy the undec, hi-headlight > version,(#9011)in order to proceed? I can't answer this one without knowing the makeup of the kit. If there is a new smokebox front and lamp bracket in the detailing kit then the headlight position is probably not going to be of huge importance, but get the footboard version. > 4. Is the tender supplied with the loco the right PRR > tender? Yes, but with a qualification. The few pictures I have seen of L-2 mikes suggest most, and possibly all, retained the USRA tenders throughout their lives. That qualification relates to the way that Athearn modelled the tender - it has high side sheets to the coal space which weren't really typical of these tenders. Some post war copies and the earliest (B&O) engine has a tender like this, but the more usual pattern had slightly lower sides to the coal space I also believe that this represents tender for a hand fired engine. The terminally fussy will find a Spectrum tender shell is a better bet for most purposes and can be purchased as a spare at about $15 odd. Aidrian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 16:26:29 -0600 From: Randy Williamson Subject: [PRR] Website Name Change To everyone interested. I have changed the name to my website to get rid of the annoying %20 that show up. From this moment on the website url is: www.randsrailstuff.net/PennsylvaniaRailroadFreightSchedules/HOME.htm I am sorry about the inconvenience but have had too many people tell me that they have had problems accessing the sight. I have added PH-10 train schedule to the site and a 1950 listing of icing stations on the Pennsylvania Railroad. Thanks, Randy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Randy Williamson Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 16:26:29 -0600 Subject: [PRR-FAX] Website Name Change To everyone interested. I have changed the name to my website to get rid of the annoying %20 that show up. From this moment on the website url is: www.randsrailstuff.net/PennsylvaniaRailroadFreightSchedules/HOME.htm I am sorry about the inconvenience but have had too many people tell me that they have had problems accessing the sight. I have added PH-10 train schedule to the site and a 1950 listing of icing stations on the Pennsylvania Railroad. Thanks, Randy ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> See What You've Been Missing! Amazing Wireless Video Camera. Click here http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: WBKosin@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:42:32 EST Subject: [PRR] Re: PRR-Talk Digest - 12/01/01 --part1_132.5918f66.293ac4e8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/1/01 1:11:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, PRR-Talk@dsop.com writes: > Good Morning, > > Sorry if this does not meet list requirements. I tried the Kalmbach > directory and it is down due to a possible hack. > > My daughter is in Vienna and trying hard to please her modeling Dad. Anyone > have an address or a line on a hobby shop in Vienna?? > > Tell your daughter to go to the front of St. Stephen's Cathederal (Stephansdom) and walk the street along the left side of the church ( where the horse drawn carriages are) . the hobby shop is a block or 2 down the street on the left hand side. Dave Kosin --part1_132.5918f66.293ac4e8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/1/01 1:11:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, PRR-Talk@dsop.com writes:


Good Morning,

Sorry if this does not meet list requirements. I tried the Kalmbach
directory and it is down due to a possible hack.

My daughter is in Vienna and trying hard to please her modeling Dad. Anyone
have an address or a line on a hobby shop in Vienna??



Tell your daughter to go to the front of St. Stephen's Cathederal (Stephansdom) and walk the street along the left side of the church ( where the horse drawn carriages are) . the hobby shop is a block or 2  down the street on the left hand side.
                                                                                                         Dave Kosin --part1_132.5918f66.293ac4e8_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Subject: [PRR] X31 boxcars Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 15:46:06 -0700 Hi List... Does anybody out there have any informtaion on which X31 boxcars had the inset roofs and which ones had the flush roofs? And how many of these cars had the National B-1 trucks installed (I do know about 70311...and I suspect it has an inset roof as well...) Bill Daniels Tuscan, AZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:06:20 -0500 From: bobp@tsc.com (Bob Poortinga) Subject: Re: [PRR] Crestline, Ohio "TJ LInk" writes: > Does anyone have any information or know anyone with information and or > photos of the roundhouse, yards or service facilities in Crestline, Ohio? Here are some photos I took in June '96. It was in pretty sad shape then and I'm sure it gotten worse. These are public accessible and you are not required to join Yahoo groups or the PennsyWest list to view them. -- Bob Poortinga (mailto:bobp@tsc.com) Bloomington, Indiana US ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Steve Hoxie" Subject: Re: [PRR] X31 boxcars Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 02:23:36 -0600 Hi Bill--From The Keystone, March 1981-- Inset Roof: X31 (double door) 59862-60111, 60222-60721, 69500-69999 X31A (single door) 67400-68999, 70000-70399, 76400-81099 (double door) 69000-69499 Flush Roof: X31B (double door) 61100-62799 X31C (double door) 60800-61099, 62800-63309 These are the as-built numbers. Confusion, of course, comes with the X31A in both single and double doors. According to this info, 70311 would have had an inset roof. Can't help with the trucks. Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 10:57:30 -0500 Subject: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote From: Jerry Britton For the modelers out there, what is the best way to deal with the "frayed" edges created when you cut homasote? I planned to use sandpaper, but that seems to aggravate the situation. Is it the choice of blade for a jigsaw? I'm using a fairly course blade, as one would use for plywood. Would a fine blade produce less of a messy edge? ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com For brass collectors... http://www.brasstrains.net Free serving of railroad web sites... http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: bobsin@nac.net Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:25:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote After trying various saw blades over the years I gave up and use sharp utility knives to cut Homasote. It takes multiple passes. It helps if you can start to bend the Homasote apart after the first cut or two, to relieve friction on the blade. It makes very clean cuts, no fuzz at all. BTW when I make track roadbed from Homasote, I make it a lot wider than seems necessary -- about 2-1/2" for an HO single track. This allows for the ballast profile, plus a flat section beyond the ballast that makes it easy to merge with scenery. Remember that the slope of ballast is about 1 in 2; much commercially sold roadbed appears entirely too steep. I also made some simple jigs to help create the ballast profile; these hold knife blades inside slots and the roadbed is drawn through to start the cuts for the profiles. Be careful when using knives! I once cut a small piece off the tip of my thumb when holding a long straightedge for the knife; my thumb overhung the straigtedge by 1/8 inch and --- chomp! Fortunately it healed. And on a tangent to a tangent, I once had a very puzzling short circuit on some hand-laid track. Eventually I had to pump a high current, maybe 10 amps, into the track to figure out where the short was, using a digital voltmeter to track the current by looking at the voltages along the rail. I couldn't believe it; the current seemed to disappear in the middle of a rail section. It developed that spikes on rails of different polarities had both contacted a piece of metal buried within the Homasote! One for the record book, I guess. John Bobsin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 10:31:17 -0600 From: Greg Johnson Subject: Re: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote Jerry, Sears makes a very fine saber saw blade. It looks different from their other blades because every other tooth is short. It makes the finest cuts in wood and homosote that I have seen. I use a new box cutter blade or a single edge razor blade to shave the edges. If you are cutting in an area that is used for other purposes (i.e.- existing layout, kids play area, etc...), you may want to consider draping a large piece of drop cloth plastic over and around the area you are cutting in. It will help localize the "gray fuzz storm". Regards, Greg Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Britton" To: "PRR-Talk LIST" Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:57 AM Subject: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote > For the modelers out there, what is the best way to deal with the "frayed" > edges created when you cut homasote? > > I planned to use sandpaper, but that seems to aggravate the situation. > > Is it the choice of blade for a jigsaw? I'm using a fairly course blade, as > one would use for plywood. Would a fine blade produce less of a messy edge? > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com > Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. > "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! > http://kc.pennsyrr.com > "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... > http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com > For brass collectors... > http://www.brasstrains.net > Free serving of railroad web sites... > http://www.railfancentral.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 16:31:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [PRR] Aero Train, From: Bill on 12/3/01 8:08 PM, Gary Mittner at mittner@webtv.net wrote: > > List, > > MTH has just released a very nice looking set of the PRR Aerotrain. > Set includes the Loco, 2 coaches and 1 tail car. Anyone know if you can > purchase individual cars, like 7 more coaches, to make the complete 10 > car set? TIA, Gary > > > > > > Come visit my PRR Pages: Photos, Models, Historical Items and Art > Work!.......and MY NEW K4s, G5s and T1 WEB PAGES>>> > > PRR Loco Pics: > http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com > > & > > http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html > and...... > > PRR Pics, Memorabilia and Models: > > http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html Gary, As of now, MTH has not announced any additional cars. But knowing Mike and Andy Edleman (sales director), opportunities like that will not be passed up. They have announced additional cars for the Burlington Zephyr and the Union Pacific M1000 about a year after the additional release. Bill Morlitz ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: bobsin@nac.net Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:32:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote 0100,0100,0100On reflection, maybe this is not a "tangent" at all. Homasote is made in Trenton -- could they have been a PRR shipper? (Today their PO box is West Trenton, so they might've been a Reading customer, I suppose.) And it was first called (1909-1916) "Agasote;" the company first sold their product as panels for railroad passenger car roofs! See their website, homasote.com. John Bobsin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Norm Bell" Subject: [PRR] Proto PRR 2-8-8-2 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:19:45 -0600 Does anybody known the minimum radius for this engine? thanks, Norm Bell ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:34:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [PRR] Proto PRR 2-8-8-2 Norm, Proto says 18 in radius. Probably true. It is double articulated, Front drivers as well as rear drivers (unprototypical). I have ran one of mine on a club layout branchline and it is quite sharpe. Flawlesssssss...Gary Come visit my PRR Pages: Photos, Models, Historical Items and Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s, G5s and T1 WEB PAGES>>> PRR Loco Pics: http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com & http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html and...... PRR Pics, Memorabilia and Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Dennis @ D & S Hobbies" Subject: Re: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:57:58 -0500 I have used the metal cutting / hacksaw blade to cut down on Homasote "dust". You do have to allow a little more time for the blade to cut the material. If you push on the saw to make it go faster (like I do), the blade will break. I always make sure I have an extra pack of the blades before I start - I tend to push the blade. Dennis mailto: dennis@onerrave.com D & S HOBBIES http://www.onerrave.com Featuring over 10,000 IN-STOCK model railroad items 34 Main Street South Bound Brook, NJ 08880 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Britton To: PRR-Talk LIST Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:57 AM Subject: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote > For the modelers out there, what is the best way to deal with the "frayed" > edges created when you cut homasote? > > I planned to use sandpaper, but that seems to aggravate the situation. > > Is it the choice of blade for a jigsaw? I'm using a fairly course blade, as > one would use for plywood. Would a fine blade produce less of a messy edge? > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com > Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. > "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! > http://kc.pennsyrr.com > "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... > http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com > For brass collectors... > http://www.brasstrains.net > Free serving of railroad web sites... > http://www.railfancentral.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:08:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [PRR] Aero Train, List, MTH has just released a very nice looking set of the PRR Aerotrain. Set includes the Loco, 2 coaches and 1 tail car. Anyone know if you can purchase individual cars, like 7 more coaches, to make the complete 10 car set? TIA, Gary Come visit my PRR Pages: Photos, Models, Historical Items and Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s, G5s and T1 WEB PAGES>>> PRR Loco Pics: http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com & http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html and...... PRR Pics, Memorabilia and Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Bigler" Subject: Re: [PRR] Crestline, Ohio Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:40:50 -0500 Just went to open the Crestline roundhouse pictures on the Yahoo site as mentioned in a post with an attachment, and it had a virus, so I nuked it. Someone might want to let Yahoo know - since I nuked the message I can't. By the way, if you update your virus program and scan for viruses weekly, and save all downloads to floppy disk and scan them before opening, you can pretty well avoid ever getting a virus. Works for me anyway - your mileage may vary . . . ! Thanks! Bill Bigler Big Flats NY Modeling downtown Williamsport & Renovo PA, WWII ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Poortinga" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] Crestline, Ohio > "TJ LInk" writes: > > > Does anyone have any information or know anyone with information and or > > photos of the roundhouse, yards or service facilities in Crestline, Ohio? > > Here are some photos I took in June '96. It was in pretty sad shape then and > I'm sure it gotten worse. > > > > These are public accessible and you are not required to join Yahoo groups > or the PennsyWest list to view them. > > -- > Bob Poortinga (mailto:bobp@tsc.com) > Bloomington, Indiana US > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:53:23 -0500 From: bobp@tsc.com (Bob Poortinga) Subject: Re: [PRR] Crestline, Ohio "Bill Bigler" writes: > Just went to open the Crestline roundhouse pictures on the Yahoo site as > mentioned in a post with an attachment, and it had a virus, so I nuked it. > Someone might want to let Yahoo know - since I nuked the message I can't. I'm not sure what you are referring to as a 'post with an attachment'. My message did not contain any attachments and was incapable of being infected by a Windows virus because I use a Unix-based email program. I still have the copy of my message that was sent to the list and it contains no attachments. It is also impossible to spread a virus through an image. I suspect that Bill was already infected or was infected by another message. It is also possible that his anti-virus program triggered a false positive. If anyone else received an attachment with my message, I would be very interested in seeing it. -- Bob Poortinga (mailto:bobp@tsc.com) Bloomington, Indiana US ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 22:55:51 -0600 From: Randy Williamson Subject: [PRR] Update To My Website To all who might be interested: I have added the Philadelphia Region Local Arranged Freight Schedule to my website. http://www.randsrailstuff.net/PennsylvaniaRailroadFreightSchedules/HOME.htm Thanks, Randy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Randy Williamson Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 22:55:51 -0600 Subject: [PRR-FAX] Update To My Website To all who might be interested: I have added the Philadelphia Region Local Arranged Freight Schedule to my website. http://www.randsrailstuff.net/PennsylvaniaRailroadFreightSchedules/HOME.htm Thanks, Randy ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> See What You've Been Missing! Amazing Wireless Video Camera. Click here http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: MarkCFry@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 00:03:41 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote --part1_160.4f9b405.293db32d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, there is a saber saw blade that is perfect for homosote. It has very fine teeth and creates a smooth edge when cut. The finer the teeth, the smoother the cut. It's almost like a utility knife blade for a saber saw. Mark In a message dated 12/3/01 11:36:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, greg1950@swbell.net writes: > Jerry, > > Sears makes a very fine saber saw blade. It looks different from their other > blades because every other tooth is short. It makes the finest cuts in wood > and homosote that I have seen. I use a new box cutter blade or a single edge > razor blade to shave the edges. > --part1_160.4f9b405.293db32d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, there is a saber saw blade that is perfect for homosote.  It has very fine teeth and creates a smooth edge when cut.  The finer the teeth, the smoother the cut.  It's almost like a utility knife blade for a saber saw.

Mark

In a message dated 12/3/01 11:36:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, greg1950@swbell.net writes:


Jerry,

Sears makes a very fine saber saw blade. It looks different from their other
blades because every other tooth is short. It makes the finest cuts in wood
and homosote that I have seen. I use a new box cutter blade or a single edge
razor blade to shave the edges.


--part1_160.4f9b405.293db32d_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:33:37 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote --part1_c6.2c653b4.293e2ab1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerry, A quick pass with the good old propane torch takes off all except the largest remnants of the cutting. Otherwise, seal it with primer then sand when dry. An almost dustless but slower way is to get a rubber/synthetic cutting blade for the jigsaw. This is a blade with a knife edge like the edge of a utility knife. But you have to go slow or it burns the edge off. Both Hansen and Vermont American brands offer these blades. I usually get mine at a Sentery Hardware store. I gave up on Homasote and use another pressed paper board called Upsom board. It comes with an upgrade paper covering on one side and is available in 1/8", 3/16" and 1/4" thicknesses. I have found it to hold spikes better than Homasote and can more easily be cut, with much less dust, with a utility knife. I glue it down then brush a sealer coat over it before setting the ties. Also, on the club's modular layout we us the 1/4" x 1" pine strip which is meant for tacking window screen to wood frame screen doors. The edges are filled with water putty to form the roadbed contour. Much more rugged than Homasote or Upsom board for layouts that are moved often plus very inexpensive and easy to work with. Good Luck, Evan Leisey --part1_c6.2c653b4.293e2ab1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerry,  

  A quick pass with the good old propane torch takes off all except the largest remnants of the cutting.  Otherwise,  seal it with primer then sand when dry.

 An almost dustless but slower way is to get a rubber/synthetic cutting blade for the jigsaw.  This is a blade with a knife edge like the edge of a utility knife.   But you have to go slow or it burns the edge off.   Both Hansen and Vermont American brands offer these blades.  I usually get mine at a Sentery Hardware store.

 I gave up on Homasote and use another pressed paper board called Upsom board.  It comes with an upgrade paper covering on one side and is available in 1/8", 3/16" and 1/4" thicknesses.  I have found it to hold spikes better than Homasote and can more easily be cut, with much less dust, with a utility knife.  I glue it down then brush a sealer coat over it before setting the ties.  

 Also, on the club's modular layout we us the 1/4" x 1" pine strip which is meant for  tacking window screen to wood frame screen doors.  The edges are filled with water putty to form the roadbed contour.  Much more rugged than Homasote or Upsom board for layouts that are moved often plus very inexpensive and easy to work with.

 Good Luck,

 Evan Leisey --part1_c6.2c653b4.293e2ab1_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Bigler" Subject: Re: [PRR] Crestline, Ohio Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:49:38 -0500 WRT my Crestline virus message: I got your post on the pictures and when I went to open them, it took me to a Yahoo page with the pictures. The second picture in the left hand column triggered my virus program. I checked it several times and each time the virus program listed it as a message. I'm not sure where the attachment indicator appeared, but I do remember one associated with that message. At age 61 however, it could certainly be partzheimers. If you find anything more, please let me know; I'll do likewise. By the way, I'd like to see the Crestline pictures, so would you please forward your original post to me? TIA Thanks for your patience! Bill Bigler Big Flats NY Modeling downtown Williamsport & Renovo PA, WWII ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Poortinga" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] Crestline, Ohio > "Bill Bigler" writes: > > > Just went to open the Crestline roundhouse pictures on the Yahoo site as > > mentioned in a post with an attachment, and it had a virus, so I nuked it. > > Someone might want to let Yahoo know - since I nuked the message I can't. > > I'm not sure what you are referring to as a 'post with an attachment'. My > message did not contain any attachments and was incapable of being infected > by a Windows virus because I use a Unix-based email program. I still have > the copy of my message that was sent to the list and it contains no > attachments. It is also impossible to spread a virus through an image. > > I suspect that Bill was already infected or was infected by another message. > It is also possible that his anti-virus program triggered a false positive. > > If anyone else received an attachment with my message, I would be very > interested in seeing it. > > -- > Bob Poortinga (mailto:bobp@tsc.com) > Bloomington, Indiana US > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Norm Bell" Subject: Re: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:05:45 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C17C9A.7A277AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just started using the pine strip also. I get it at Menards in 1/2" = by 16' lengths. My method is to put down an entire sheet of homasote = and then tack the pine strip down with brads. My only concern is that I = find it a little high for my liking. In the past I have put down the = sheet of homasote and ripped cheap paneling into one inch strips. The = I slot the strips on a radial arm saw about every inch. This allows 30" = radius curves with ease. One sheet of paneling yields 48 pieces 8' long = (384 linear feet) and allows easier transitions into yards and = industrial sidings. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RDG2124@aol.com=20 To: jerry@pennsyrr.com ; PRR-Talk@dsop.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote Jerry, =20 A quick pass with the good old propane torch takes off all except = the largest remnants of the cutting. Otherwise, seal it with primer = then sand when dry.=20 An almost dustless but slower way is to get a rubber/synthetic = cutting blade for the jigsaw. This is a blade with a knife edge like = the edge of a utility knife. But you have to go slow or it burns the = edge off. Both Hansen and Vermont American brands offer these blades. = I usually get mine at a Sentery Hardware store.=20 I gave up on Homasote and use another pressed paper board called = Upsom board. It comes with an upgrade paper covering on one side and is = available in 1/8", 3/16" and 1/4" thicknesses. I have found it to hold = spikes better than Homasote and can more easily be cut, with much less = dust, with a utility knife. I glue it down then brush a sealer coat = over it before setting the ties. =20 Also, on the club's modular layout we us the 1/4" x 1" pine strip = which is meant for tacking window screen to wood frame screen doors. = The edges are filled with water putty to form the roadbed contour. Much = more rugged than Homasote or Upsom board for layouts that are moved = often plus very inexpensive and easy to work with.=20 Good Luck,=20 Evan Leisey=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C17C9A.7A277AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just started using the pine strip = also.  I=20 get it at Menards in 1/2" by 16' lengths.  My method is to put down = an=20 entire sheet of homasote and then tack the pine strip down with = brads.  My=20 only concern is that I find it a little high for my liking. In the past = I have=20 put down the sheet of homasote and ripped cheap paneling into one inch=20 strips.  The  I slot the strips on a radial arm saw about = every=20 inch.  This allows 30" radius curves with ease.  One sheet of = paneling=20 yields 48 pieces 8' long (384 linear feet) and allows easier transitions = into=20 yards and industrial sidings.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 RDG2124@aol.com=20
To: jerry@pennsyrr.com ; PRR-Talk@dsop.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, = 2001 7:33=20 AM
Subject: Re: [PRR] TANGENT - = Cutting=20 Homasote

Jerry, =  =20

  A quick pass with the good old propane torch takes = off all=20 except the largest remnants of the cutting.  Otherwise, =  seal it=20 with primer then sand when dry.

 An almost dustless but = slower=20 way is to get a rubber/synthetic cutting blade for the jigsaw. =  This is a=20 blade with a knife edge like the edge of a utility knife. =   But you=20 have to go slow or it burns the edge off.   Both Hansen and = Vermont=20 American brands offer these blades.  I usually get mine at a = Sentery=20 Hardware store.

 I gave up on Homasote and use another = pressed=20 paper board called Upsom board.  It comes with an upgrade paper = covering=20 on one side and is available in 1/8", 3/16" and 1/4" thicknesses. =  I have=20 found it to hold spikes better than Homasote and can more easily be = cut, with=20 much less dust, with a utility knife.  I glue it down then brush = a sealer=20 coat over it before setting the ties.  

 Also, on = the club's=20 modular layout we us the 1/4" x 1" pine strip which is meant for =  tacking=20 window screen to wood frame screen doors.  The edges are filled = with=20 water putty to form the roadbed contour.  Much more rugged than = Homasote=20 or Upsom board for layouts that are moved often plus very inexpensive = and easy=20 to work with.

 Good Luck,

 Evan = Leisey=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C17C9A.7A277AA0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:13:24 -0500 Subject: TANGENT- Viruses (was Re: [PRR] Crestline, Ohio) From: Jerry Britton Sounds like the list has been exonerated of spreading a virus, that the virus came from an image on a Yahoo web site. If the exoneration of the list is not correct, let me know. One comment indicated that a virus cannot be spread via an image. Well, not true. It's actually the web page itself that can spread a virus. This is pretty new, and most folks don't know about it. If the server is based on Microsoft ISS, there is a server virus that can propagate several ways, and one of them is via an infected web page. There are several variants of this virus, but the class is called "nimda"..."Admin" spelled backwards. That is what you need to protect against. Enough about viruses...back to the PRR! On 12/4/01 8:49 AM, Bill Bigler (wbigler@stny.rr.com) wrote: > WRT my Crestline virus message: I got your post on the pictures and when I > went to open them, it took me to a Yahoo page with the pictures. The second > picture in the left hand column triggered my virus program. I checked it > several times and each time the virus program listed it as a message. > > I'm not sure where the attachment indicator appeared, but I do remember one > associated with that message. At age 61 however, it could certainly be > partzheimers. > > If you find anything more, please let me know; I'll do likewise. > > By the way, I'd like to see the Crestline pictures, so would you please > forward your original post to me? TIA > > Thanks for your patience! > > Bill Bigler > Big Flats NY > Modeling downtown Williamsport & > Renovo PA, WWII > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Poortinga" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:53 PM > Subject: Re: [PRR] Crestline, Ohio > > >> "Bill Bigler" writes: >> >>> Just went to open the Crestline roundhouse pictures on the Yahoo site as >>> mentioned in a post with an attachment, and it had a virus, so I nuked > it. >>> Someone might want to let Yahoo know - since I nuked the message I > can't. >> >> I'm not sure what you are referring to as a 'post with an attachment'. My >> message did not contain any attachments and was incapable of being > infected >> by a Windows virus because I use a Unix-based email program. I still have >> the copy of my message that was sent to the list and it contains no >> attachments. It is also impossible to spread a virus through an image. >> >> I suspect that Bill was already infected or was infected by another > message. >> It is also possible that his anti-virus program triggered a false > positive. >> >> If anyone else received an attachment with my message, I would be very >> interested in seeing it. >> >> -- >> Bob Poortinga (mailto:bobp@tsc.com) >> Bloomington, Indiana US >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, Listmaster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:33:47 EST Subject: [PRR] Homasote sawdust In a message dated 12/4/01 1:11:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, PRR-Talk@dsop.com writes: << For the modelers out there, what is the best way to deal with the "frayed" edges created when you cut homasote? I planned to use sandpaper, but that seems to aggravate the situation. Is it the choice of blade for a jigsaw? I'm using a fairly course blade, as one would use for plywood. Would a fine blade produce less of a messy edge? >> Using a sawblade on Homasote will fill your heating system's ducts up with a fine grey powder (ask me how I know). You want to aquire a knife blade for your saber saw (buy two blades for starters). And in use on halfinch Homosote, pause frequently so it doesn't overheat and ruin its temper. This will give you a polished edge that doesn't shed the rest of its life, and which in fact absorbs less water than the normal Homosote surface. When you need to make small cuts, multiple passes with a carton knife will do nicely. If you're extremely brave and/or foolish, use a butcher knife. But watch your knees and other body parts -- knives slip. Homosote's great stuff -- Homosote sawdust isn't. Rick Tipton Louisville KY Remembering the Pennsylvania Railroad and especially PRR Lines West ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "W. Terry Stuart" Subject: Re: [PRR] Tower Sheets Online Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:07:05 -0500 Tower Sheets precipitated the use of the term, "OS." Every train that passed a tower/interlocking plant had to be fully-recorded, as Jerry outlined. Thus, a train was "OS'ed" by each tower. In other words, its pertinent information was written by the Operator ON the tower's SHEET. We use the term on our website to note significant moves passing us on the NS and CSX. Terry Stuart The FALLSTON FLAGSTOP Railfan B&B 62 Beaver Street Fallston, PA 15066 www.forcomm.net/flagstop -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Britton To: PRR-Talk LIST Date: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 4:15 PM Subject: [PRR] Tower Sheets Online >For those that have never seen a Tower Sheet, prepare to be amazed at the >amount of information that may be gleened from one. > >Each tower maintained a Tower Sheet, akin to a ledger, that recorded the >passing of every train over a 24 hour period. > >Each entry would include the numbers of the motive power, the number of >cars, the time of passing, and all sorts of other notes. > >Thanks to David Hopson, Keystone Crossings is starting a collection of Tower >Sheets online. The first four are posted in the Documents section... > > http://kc.pennsyrr.com/docs/ > >They are > > LEMO 6/9/67 > LEMO 6/10/67 > THORN 1/1/64 > THORN 1/2/64 > >I am working on a full-size Dispatcher Sheet for the Philadelphia Division >from the 1950's. > >Thanks, Dave! >----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: RE: TANGENT- Viruses (was Re: [PRR] Crestline, Ohio) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:04:43 -0800 From: "John Cooper" Incorrect, the server itself that is running IIS is vulnerable to the the Nimda virus. Not the client accessing pages from it. johncoop@microsoft.com > ---------- > From: Jerry Britton[SMTP:jerry@pennsyrr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 6:13 AM > To: Bill Bigler; bobp@tsc.com; PRR-Talk LIST > Subject: TANGENT- Viruses (was Re: [PRR] Crestline, Ohio) > > One comment indicated that a virus cannot be spread via an image. Well, not > true. It's actually the web page itself that can spread a virus. This is > pretty new, and most folks don't know about it. If the server is based on > Microsoft ISS, there is a server virus that can propagate several ways, and > one of them is via an infected web page. > > There are several variants of this virus, but the class is called > "nimda"..."Admin" spelled backwards. That is what you need to protect > against. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:13:30 -0500 Subject: Re: TANGENT- Viruses (was Re: [PRR] Crestline, Ohio) From: Jerry Britton On 12/4/01 1:04 PM, John Cooper (johncoop@microsoft.com) wrote: > Incorrect, the server itself that is running IIS is vulnerable to the the > Nimda virus. Not the client accessing pages from it. > > johncoop@microsoft.com > Incorrect, and I have worked direct with the FBI on this one. It is IIS that is vulnerable to the nimda virus, but it can indeed be propagated via an infected web page (served by an infected IIS server). I know, as I experienced it first-hand hours before CERT, SARC, the NIPC, the FBI, and other agencies knew it existed. In fact, I reported it myself to the local FBI Special Agent. Ironically, the site I was browsing when I encountered it was NIPC (National Infrastructure Protection Center). Being on a Mac, however, it was harmless to me. Please refer to CERT Advisory CA-2001-26: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-26.html In the Overview section it details five methods through which nimda propagates. The third one reads "from web server to client via browsing of compromised web sites". Enough said, on-list. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com For brass collectors... http://www.brasstrains.net Free serving of railroad web sites... http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: BlockTruck@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:34:25 EST Subject: [PRR] FP-7 4359 in brass After the recent discussion here about the one-of-a-kind FP-7, and the article in the newest Diesel Era showing the unit with its FT nose replacement, I have learned that they are being imported in HO brass. Division Point model DP-2098 is due in April 2002. I know there is a certain sense of being disenfranchised when something is not available in plastic, but you kind of have to expect a one-of-a kind prototype like this to lend itself to brass. If you don't have place to get Division Point, you can visit DivisionPoint.com and I am sure they can find you somebody. George T. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:36:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [PRR] New Keystone List, Received the winter issue of the Keystone yesterday. There is a good follow up article on the T1. Slippery T1's is the topic. Includes technical info on the slipping drivers. It appears to me after all is said, the experience of the engineer is the main reason. Nice insert as well. The lettering diagram for the T1.......Gary Come visit my PRR Pages: Photos, Models, Historical Items and Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s, G5s and T1 WEB PAGES>>> PRR Loco Pics: http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com & http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html and...... PRR Pics, Memorabilia and Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 15:55:20 -0500 Subject: [PRR] Tower Sheets Online From: Jerry Britton For those that have never seen a Tower Sheet, prepare to be amazed at the amount of information that may be gleened from one. Each tower maintained a Tower Sheet, akin to a ledger, that recorded the passing of every train over a 24 hour period. Each entry would include the numbers of the motive power, the number of cars, the time of passing, and all sorts of other notes. Thanks to David Hopson, Keystone Crossings is starting a collection of Tower Sheets online. The first four are posted in the Documents section... http://kc.pennsyrr.com/docs/ They are LEMO 6/9/67 LEMO 6/10/67 THORN 1/1/64 THORN 1/2/64 I am working on a full-size Dispatcher Sheet for the Philadelphia Division from the 1950's. Thanks, Dave! ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com For brass collectors... http://www.brasstrains.net Free serving of railroad web sites... http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:37:34 -0800 (PST) From: CHUCK S Subject: Re: TANGENT- Viruses (was Re: [PRR] Crestline, Ohio) At this point it pays to have your anti-virus program up to date and working. i did the same thing and had no alert--Does not AOL & Yahoo screen for bugs? --- Jerry Britton wrote: > Sounds like the list has been exonerated of > spreading a virus, that the > virus came from an image on a Yahoo web site. If the > exoneration of the list > is not correct, let me know. > > One comment indicated that a virus cannot be spread > via an image. Well, not > true. It's actually the web page itself that can > spread a virus. This is > pretty new, and most folks don't know about it. If > the server is based on > Microsoft ISS, there is a server virus that can > propagate several ways, and > one of them is via an infected web page. > > There are several variants of this virus, but the > class is called > "nimda"..."Admin" spelled backwards. That is what > you need to protect > against. > > Enough about viruses...back to the PRR! > > On 12/4/01 8:49 AM, Bill Bigler > (wbigler@stny.rr.com) wrote: > > > WRT my Crestline virus message: I got your post > on the pictures and when I > > went to open them, it took me to a Yahoo page with > the pictures. The second > > picture in the left hand column triggered my virus > program. I checked it > > several times and each time the virus program > listed it as a message. > > > > I'm not sure where the attachment indicator > appeared, but I do remember one > > associated with that message. At age 61 however, > it could certainly be > > partzheimers. > > > > If you find anything more, please let me know; > I'll do likewise. > > > > By the way, I'd like to see the Crestline > pictures, so would you please > > forward your original post to me? TIA > > > > Thanks for your patience! > > > > Bill Bigler > > Big Flats NY > > Modeling downtown Williamsport & > > Renovo PA, WWII > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob Poortinga" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [PRR] Crestline, Ohio > > > > > >> "Bill Bigler" writes: > >> > >>> Just went to open the Crestline roundhouse > pictures on the Yahoo site as > >>> mentioned in a post with an attachment, and it > had a virus, so I nuked > > it. > >>> Someone might want to let Yahoo know - since I > nuked the message I > > can't. > >> > >> I'm not sure what you are referring to as a 'post > with an attachment'. My > >> message did not contain any attachments and was > incapable of being > > infected > >> by a Windows virus because I use a Unix-based > email program. I still have > >> the copy of my message that was sent to the list > and it contains no > >> attachments. It is also impossible to spread a > virus through an image. > >> > >> I suspect that Bill was already infected or was > infected by another > > message. > >> It is also possible that his anti-virus program > triggered a false > > positive. > >> > >> If anyone else received an attachment with my > message, I would be very > >> interested in seeing it. > >> > >> -- > >> Bob Poortinga (mailto:bobp@tsc.com) > >> Bloomington, Indiana US > >> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> For assistance with this list, please visit > http://lists.dsop.com. > >> > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For assistance with this list, please visit > http://lists.dsop.com. > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Jerry Britton, Listmaster > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: zootowerprr@webtv.net (Dave Hopson PRR/ Penn Central Art) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:12:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [PRR] Tower Sheets Online Hello PRR fans, I hope you guys enjoy the PRR Tower and Dispatcher Sheets as much as I do. It's hard to imagine that PRR was able to keep track of all those trains and keep them from running into each other. My ultimate find was the ZOO dispatch sheets. Because of the amount of traffic through ZOO interlocking, freights and passenger trains are on seperate sheets. The ZOO dispatch sheet for freights also includes the Trenton Cutoff/P&T Branch trains and all freights crossing the Deleware River to Camden NJ. Dave Hopson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: GPandelios@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:19:51 EST Subject: [PRR] Re: Round roof & no doors David & List: I've uploaded a bunch of Weirton Steel, Weirton Jct, and Ohio River PRR bridge photos to Jerry. Hopefully he'll be able to get them onto Keystone Crossings soon. In the meantime, check out: http://hometown.aol.com/gpandelios/myhomepage/collection.html George (yes, I missed this post ;^) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Chany, Christopher" Subject: [PRR] Washingtonian/Montrealer Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 08:38:49 -0500 Listers, My friend models northern New England railroads (B&M/Rutland etc). He mentioned that the Montrealer continued on to Washington on the PRR as the Washingtonian. We want to know whether there was any PRR equipment on the Montrealer. It will give me a great excuse to run my PRR stuff on his layout! Chris Chany ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:06:05 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote --part1_129.8bd42e2.293f83cd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/4/2001 7:18:12 AM Mountain Standard Time, cadwelml@bp.com writes: > PRR-Talk@dsop.com > I have had swelling with both but the Homasote was the most extreme. Our club went to North Platte, Nebraska for the NMRA regional with our modular layout. The modules live in Denver, Colorado and the change of humidity turned my 2' x 8' staging yard modules into an ocean-like surface (take note if you want to model water with swells) very wavy! Once home and the swelling disappeared the track was removed and the Homasote was sealed with latex primer then two coats of latex paint. Subsequent trips to humid areas have not exhibited the swelling. The Upsom board also was sealed with varnish and have not had any swelling problems. The swelling was just barely noticeable prior to the sealing. Bottom line -- a moisture proof sealer is necessary. Also, the sealer is applied an inch or two each side of the roadbed. Evan --part1_129.8bd42e2.293f83cd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/4/2001 7:18:12 AM Mountain Standard Time, cadwelml@bp.com writes:


PRR-Talk@dsop.com

 I have had swelling with both but the Homasote was the most extreme.  Our club went to North Platte, Nebraska for the NMRA regional with our modular layout.  The modules live in Denver, Colorado and the change of humidity turned my 2' x 8' staging yard modules into an ocean-like surface (take note if you want to model water with swells) very wavy!   Once home and the swelling disappeared the track was removed and the Homasote was sealed with latex primer then two coats of latex paint.  Subsequent trips to humid areas have not exhibited the swelling.   

  The Upsom board also was sealed with varnish and have not had any swelling problems.  The swelling was just barely noticeable prior to the sealing.

  Bottom line -- a moisture proof sealer is necessary.  Also,  the sealer is applied an inch or two each side of the roadbed.

 Evan
--part1_129.8bd42e2.293f83cd_boundary-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gregg Mahlkov" Subject: Re: [PRR] Washingtonian/Montrealer Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:34:24 -0500 Chris:- I personally rode in a PRR P70 coach from Penn Station, NY, to Montreal, PQ on the "Montrealer" in 1956. The car had two groups of passengers on special tickets - a railfan group and some French speaking Belgian immigrants enroute to Canada, so it was an "added" car and not part of the regular consist. But, it WAS a PRR car. Gregg Mahlkov ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chany, Christopher" To: "PRR-Talk LIST" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 8:38 AM Subject: [PRR] Washingtonian/Montrealer > Listers, > > My friend models northern New England railroads (B&M/Rutland etc). He > mentioned that the Montrealer continued on to Washington on the PRR as the > Washingtonian. We want to know whether there was any PRR equipment on the > Montrealer. It will give me a great excuse to run my PRR stuff on his > layout! > > Chris Chany > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:54:05 -0500 From: "Andrew S. Miller" Subject: Re: [PRR] Washingtonian/Montrealer While I can not claim any definitive source, I am reasonably confidant that PRR coaches (P70Ks would be the likely choice) and sleepers (Betterment HWs?) ran through to Montreal on frequent occasions. I am also under the impression that PRR diners never ran through and that the lounge car was NH. BTW the train was called the "Montrealer" over its entire Wash-Montreal Northbound route, and the "Washingtonian" southbound. Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org ================================================== "Chany, Christopher" wrote: > Listers, > > My friend models northern New England railroads (B&M/Rutland etc). He > mentioned that the Montrealer continued on to Washington on the PRR as the > Washingtonian. We want to know whether there was any PRR equipment on the > Montrealer. It will give me a great excuse to run my PRR stuff on his > layout! > > Chris Chany > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:37:29 -0600 Subject: [PRR] PRR: GLa hoppers From: "Donald E. Harper, Jr" I finally had a chance to get into the GLa hoppers I bought and spent a lot of time looking for details and reading Teichmoller's treatise. One prominent feature of both the GLa and H12a is the AB reservoir bracket mounted to the side sill. While I like detailing things, the idea of making a lot of these out of 15/64 styrene channel does not sound like a lot of fun. Does anyone make the brackets in either styrene or metal? I've not seen them in the catalogues. Also, exactly what was the brake lever hanger shape and how was it mounted? On p. 27 of Teichmoller's book there is a side shot of a GLa and the hanger looks looks an elbow with the two ends attached to the slope sheet and the brake lever pivoting at the elbow, but in some other photos it looks like there is a wire or thick tube from the end vertical to the slope sheet. p. 33 has an excellent modeling detail photo of an H21a B end, showing the piping from the reservoir to the valve, but the piston and hanger bracket are in shadow. Bruce Smith commented negatively on the coal load provided. Actually with a little work you can make these look OK. Sand down the sides so the can be removed easily. Glue florist's foam or some other filler between the humps and sculpt to suit yourself. Grind down the peaks a little if you want. Then spread Elmer's glue all over the surface, making sure to wipe it off the sides. Place the coal load in a box and cover it with coal of the size you prefer. Leave it overnight. Next morning you have a reasonable facsimile of a coal load. And they can all be different if you so choose. Don Harper Texas A&M Marine Lab 5007 Avenue U Galveston, TX 77551 409/740-4540 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Burnley, Charles" Subject: RE: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:58:10 -0500 Evan and all, Homasote is a product made from ground up newspaper. It is very succeptable to changes in humidity. I have used it, and "Homabed", a homasote roadbed product with great success. The trick is to seal it immediately after you put it into place. I use cheap latex wall paint and this seems to do the trick. Just slop it on with a brush, cover everything you can, let it dry a day or two, and you're all set. I'm from South Jersey and the humidity down here gets pretty unbearable in the Summer months. So far, no problems at all. Buzz -----Original Message----- From: RDG2124@aol.com [mailto:RDG2124@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:06 AM To: cadwelml@bp.com; PRR-Talk@dsop.com Subject: Re: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote In a message dated 12/4/2001 7:18:12 AM Mountain Standard Time, cadwelml@bp.com writes: PRR-Talk@dsop.com I have had swelling with both but the Homasote was the most extreme. Our club went to North Platte, Nebraska for the NMRA regional with our modular layout. The modules live in Denver, Colorado and the change of humidity turned my 2' x 8' staging yard modules into an ocean-like surface (take note if you want to model water with swells) very wavy! Once home and the swelling disappeared the track was removed and the Homasote was sealed with latex primer then two coats of latex paint. Subsequent trips to humid areas have not exhibited the swelling. The Upsom board also was sealed with varnish and have not had any swelling problems. The swelling was just barely noticeable prior to the sealing. Bottom line -- a moisture proof sealer is necessary. Also, the sealer is applied an inch or two each side of the roadbed. Evan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:20:11 -0600 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR: GLa hoppers Don sez: >One prominent feature of both the GLa and H12a [sic] is the AB reservoir >bracket >mounted to the side sill. While I like detailing things, the idea of making >a lot of these out of 15/64 styrene channel does not sound like a lot of >fun. Does anyone make the brackets in either styrene or metal? I've not >seen them in the catalogues. My suggestion is to make one set, and then a mold, and cast the rest in rsin - very easy...I'll be happy to help, if it means I get 24 sets of the part!! >Bruce Smith commented negatively on the coal load provided. Actually with a >little work you can make these look OK. Sand down the sides so the can be >removed easily. Glue florist's foam or some other filler between the humps >and sculpt to suit yourself. Grind down the peaks a little if you want. >Then spread Elmer's glue all over the surface, making sure to wipe it off >the sides. Place the coal load in a box and cover it with coal of the size >you prefer. Leave it overnight. Next morning you have a reasonable >facsimile of a coal load. And they can all be different if you so choose. Sure , or you can toss the coal load, start with the florist foam and save a sanding step ;^)> BTW, Don's reminder about coal size is great - remember that not all coal was the same, so mix it up some! Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Norm Bell" Subject: Re: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:28:55 -0600 There has to be more to this Homasote problem than just humidity. I have built railroads in basements in Philadelphia, Detroit and Chicago areas and have never had a problem with unsealed homasote. Maybe I have just been lucky but I sense there is an additional factor we are overlooking in blaming it all on humidity. It seems to me it would take an extaordinary amount of humidity for homasote to absorb enough to change dimensions to the amount we are talking about. Norm Bell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burnley, Charles" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: RE: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote > Evan and all, > > Homasote is a product made from ground up newspaper. It is very succeptable > to changes in humidity. > I have used it, and "Homabed", a homasote roadbed product with great > success. The trick is to seal it > immediately after you put it into place. I use cheap latex wall paint and > this seems to do the trick. Just > slop it on with a brush, cover everything you can, let it dry a day or two, > and you're all set. I'm from South > Jersey and the humidity down here gets pretty unbearable in the Summer > months. So far, no problems at all. > > Buzz > > > -----Original Message----- > From: RDG2124@aol.com [mailto:RDG2124@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:06 AM > To: cadwelml@bp.com; PRR-Talk@dsop.com > Subject: Re: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 7:18:12 AM Mountain Standard Time, > cadwelml@bp.com writes: > > > > > PRR-Talk@dsop.com > > > > I have had swelling with both but the Homasote was the most extreme. Our > club went to North Platte, Nebraska for the NMRA regional with our modular > layout. The modules live in Denver, Colorado and the change of humidity > turned my 2' x 8' staging yard modules into an ocean-like surface (take note > if you want to model water with swells) very wavy! Once home and the > swelling disappeared the track was removed and the Homasote was sealed with > latex primer then two coats of latex paint. Subsequent trips to humid areas > have not exhibited the swelling. > > The Upsom board also was sealed with varnish and have not had any swelling > problems. The swelling was just barely noticeable prior to the sealing. > > Bottom line -- a moisture proof sealer is necessary. Also, the sealer is > applied an inch or two each side of the roadbed. > > Evan > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Norm Bell" Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR: GLa hoppers Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:31:05 -0600 One of the best materials I have run accross for coal is and abrasive grit used in sand blasting called Black beauty. It is a good size for HO and a 50# bag should fill several hundred hoppers. Norm bell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR: GLa hoppers > Don sez: > > >One prominent feature of both the GLa and H12a [sic] is the AB reservoir > >bracket > >mounted to the side sill. While I like detailing things, the idea of making > >a lot of these out of 15/64 styrene channel does not sound like a lot of > >fun. Does anyone make the brackets in either styrene or metal? I've not > >seen them in the catalogues. > > My suggestion is to make one set, and then a mold, and cast the rest in > rsin - very easy...I'll be happy to help, if it means I get 24 sets of the > part!! > > >Bruce Smith commented negatively on the coal load provided. Actually with a > >little work you can make these look OK. Sand down the sides so the can be > >removed easily. Glue florist's foam or some other filler between the humps > >and sculpt to suit yourself. Grind down the peaks a little if you want. > >Then spread Elmer's glue all over the surface, making sure to wipe it off > >the sides. Place the coal load in a box and cover it with coal of the size > >you prefer. Leave it overnight. Next morning you have a reasonable > >facsimile of a coal load. And they can all be different if you so choose. > > Sure , or you can toss the coal load, start with the florist foam and > save a sanding step ;^)> BTW, Don's reminder about coal size is great - > remember that not all coal was the same, so mix it up some! > > Happy Rails > Bruce > > Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. > Scott-Ritchey Research Center > 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) > http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ > > "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin > __ > / \ > __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ > |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | > | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| > |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| > | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:38:17 -0600 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] Tower Sheets Online Dave sez: > I hope you guys enjoy the PRR Tower and Dispatcher Sheets as much >as I do. FANTASTIC! was my response > My ultimate find was the ZOO dispatch sheets. Because of the amount >of traffic through ZOO interlocking, freights and passenger trains are >on seperate sheets. The ZOO dispatch sheet for freights also includes >the Trenton Cutoff/P&T Branch trains and all freights crossing the >Deleware River to Camden NJ. My ultimate would be COLA, 1944, but I would love to see a wartime sheet from THORN. I look forward to seeing more sheets posted in the future! Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Peter Reinhold Subject: [PRR] GLa Question Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:39:13 -0600 Hi List, On the GLa hopper are the cross braces (the braces that go from side to side on the inside of the hopper) the same as on the H21. If they are the same I was going to order these from Bowser to detail the Gla's I have. I'd like that AB reservoir bracket also (allot of them). Anyone listening willing to make a master for the H21 and GLa cast these? Peter Reinhold Universal Die & Stampings 735 15th Street Prairie Du Sac, WI. 53578 PH. 608-643-2477 Fax 608-643-2024 preinhol@unidie.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Peter Reinhold Subject: [PRR] Rail sizes Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:39:39 -0600 Hi List, I'm modeling Southport yard, Elmira, NY, and have made the following observations from photos and a 1951 track chart. 1. The rail size coming into the yard is 130 LB. (track chart). 2. The turnouts seen to be 130 LB. (photos) 3. The main trackage and switching leads look like 130 LB. (photos) 4. The body tracks look to be lighter rail (photos) Also, I found that the passing sidings look to be laid in the same weight rail as the main. This would make sense when you consider the traffic on the Elmira Branch. Can anyone comment on PRR practices in general as the relate to my observations. Also, anyone know what weight rail should be used for industrial sidings, 90-110 LB would be my guess. Peter Reinhold preinhol@unidie.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 13:04:42 -0500 From: vck@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR: GLa hoppers I had a problem with the lack of cross braces in the kit (why not with this kit, but with the H21?). But Bowser sells 'em for $.35 ea. so there seems to be a solution. Vagel Keller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:39:53 -0600 Subject: Re: [PRR] Rail sizes From: "William J. Ayers" Peter, According to my sources, when the yards were built in Crestline in 1918-20, all the yard track and turnouts (#8 and 10) were 100# rail. I can't comment on the leads going into the yards. Hope this helps. Bill Ayers > From: Peter Reinhold > Organization: Universal Die & Stampings > Reply-To: "preinhol@unidie.com" > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:39:39 -0600 > To: "PRR-Talk (E-mail)" > Subject: [PRR] Rail sizes > > Hi List, > > I'm modeling Southport yard, Elmira, NY, and have made the following > observations from photos and a 1951 track chart. > 1. The rail size coming into the yard is 130 LB. (track chart). > 2. The turnouts seen to be 130 LB. (photos) > 3. The main trackage and switching leads look like 130 LB. (photos) > 4. The body tracks look to be lighter rail (photos) > > Also, I found that the passing sidings look to be laid in the same > weight rail as the main. This would make sense when you consider the > traffic on the Elmira Branch. > > Can anyone comment on PRR practices in general as the relate to my > observations. Also, anyone know what weight rail should be used for > industrial sidings, 90-110 LB would be my guess. > > Peter Reinhold > preinhol@unidie.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "pgrace" Subject: [PRR] Containers Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:19:56 -0000 I noticed that Walthers say they are going to do two types of container. http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-2102 http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-2122 Are they realistic for the PRR and when were they in use?? Patrick Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 13:33:46 -0600 From: Greg Johnson Subject: Re: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote Ditto on the unsealed homosote. I have used it here on the Gulf Coast for 30 years without a problem. Two garage layouts, susceptible to near 100% relative humidity at times, as well as interior layouts, showed no ill effects. Perhaps the wood is more susceptible to dimensional instability than the homosote. Regards, Greg Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norm Bell" To: "Prr-Talk" ; "Burnley, Charles" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote > There has to be more to this Homasote problem than just humidity. I have > built railroads in basements in Philadelphia, Detroit and Chicago areas and > have never had a problem with unsealed homasote. Maybe I have just been > lucky but I sense there is an additional factor we are overlooking in > blaming it all on humidity. It seems to me it would take an extaordinary > amount of humidity for homasote to absorb enough to change dimensions to the > amount we are talking about. Norm Bell > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Burnley, Charles" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:58 AM > Subject: RE: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote > > > > Evan and all, > > > > Homasote is a product made from ground up newspaper. It is very > succeptable > > to changes in humidity. > > I have used it, and "Homabed", a homasote roadbed product with great > > success. The trick is to seal it > > immediately after you put it into place. I use cheap latex wall paint and > > this seems to do the trick. Just > > slop it on with a brush, cover everything you can, let it dry a day or > two, > > and you're all set. I'm from South > > Jersey and the humidity down here gets pretty unbearable in the Summer > > months. So far, no problems at all. > > > > Buzz > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: RDG2124@aol.com [mailto:RDG2124@aol.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:06 AM > > To: cadwelml@bp.com; PRR-Talk@dsop.com > > Subject: Re: [PRR] TANGENT - Cutting Homasote > > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 7:18:12 AM Mountain Standard Time, > > cadwelml@bp.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > PRR-Talk@dsop.com > > > > > > > > I have had swelling with both but the Homasote was the most extreme. Our > > club went to North Platte, Nebraska for the NMRA regional with our modular > > layout. The modules live in Denver, Colorado and the change of humidity > > turned my 2' x 8' staging yard modules into an ocean-like surface (take > note > > if you want to model water with swells) very wavy! Once home and the > > swelling disappeared the track was removed and the Homasote was sealed > with > > latex primer then two coats of latex paint. Subsequent trips to humid > areas > > have not exhibited the swelling. > > > > The Upsom board also was sealed with varnish and have not had any > swelling > > problems. The swelling was just barely noticeable prior to the sealing. > > > > Bottom line -- a moisture proof sealer is necessary. Also, the sealer > is > > applied an inch or two each side of the roadbed. > > > > Evan > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 14:34:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] Containers From: Jerry Britton On 12/5/01 2:19 PM, pgrace (pgrace@aspects.net) wrote: > I noticed that Walthers say they are going to do two types > of container. > > http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-2102 > > http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-2122 > > Are they realistic for the PRR and when were they in use?? > I am far from being a PRR container expert, but they are unlike anything I have seen. Two issues of "The Keystone" have articles on PRR container service: Spring 1985 (V. 18 #1) and Autumn 1985 (V.18 #3). I personally don't have either, but they are listed in the searchable periodicals index on Keystone Crossings... http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/periodicals/ Suggest you find a copy and look there. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com For brass collectors... http://www.brasstrains.net Free serving of railroad web sites... http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 15:29:06 -0500 From: "Andrew S. Miller" Subject: Re: [PRR] Containers 2122 looks familiar. I can not be sure. There was a KEYSTONE article on containers some years ago. I will have to go back and check. BTW I hope the $10.95 price is for a set of containers and not each! A G22 gon (which Walthers does NOT make but Westerfield does) held 12 as I recall. Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org ================================================== pgrace wrote: > I noticed that Walthers say they are going to do two types > of container. > > http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-2102 > > http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-2122 > > Are they realistic for the PRR and when were they in use?? > > Patrick Grace > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Rob Schoenberg" Subject: RE: [PRR] Containers Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:35:51 -0500 They might be realistic. The PRR had at least 10 classes of bulk containers like these. I have diagrams for the various container classes the PRR used on my site. Check out http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?sel=cont The first one you list looks similar to an HB4: http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=hb4.gif&sel=cont Westerfield makes a carload of HB4's for their G22 kit. They look similar but have an end brace that the Walthers kit doesn't have: (Westerfield's site has some background info & history too...) http://users.multipro.com/westerfield/1292.htm I'm not sure about the second one. You can browse the diagrsms and see if there's something that looks close. Westerfield also makes a similar cement container, class HB1. http://users.multipro.com/westerfield/1290.htm Note that the equipment diagrams on my site are only sketches of what the containers look like... Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com]On Behalf Of pgrace > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:20 PM > To: PRR Talk > Subject: [PRR] Containers > > > I noticed that Walthers say they are going to do two types > of container. > > http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-2102 > > http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-2122 > > Are they realistic for the PRR and when were they in use?? > > Patrick Grace > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:04:52 -0600 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] Containers Patrick sez: >I noticed that Walthers say they are going to do two types >of container. > >http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-2102 > >http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-2122 > >Are they realistic for the PRR and when were they in use?? Here's the rub...3 containers for $10.98...that's a gon load for $44!!! Huh? Stick with Westerfield...better models, lower price. Individual containers from Westerfield are $4-5, so comparable, but he does a one piece carload casting for $20...half the price! Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Jeremy & Soni Helms" Subject: [PRR] N scale brass Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:10:02 -0600 Hello all, I am a new old member here on this list and have been lurking for the last couple of weeks here. I have noticed the listing of future brass PRR steam locomotive listings on this and other web sites. It has brought up a question that I have, what is the minimum recommended radius for locomotives in N scale such as the J1 and H8/9/10 locomotives by Key Imports? Also has anyone done a decoder install on such a locomotive? If purchased it would need a decoder installed. Jeremy Helms Bellevue, Nebraska ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Rob Schoenberg" Subject: RE: [PRR] Containers Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:16:05 -0500 I think $10.95 is for three containers. Ouch! That's 43.80 for a carload! I think Railwork was selling singles of their brass HB1 containters for less than that! Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com]On Behalf Of Andrew S. > Miller > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:29 PM > To: pgrace > Cc: PRR Talk > Subject: Re: [PRR] Containers > > > 2122 looks familiar. I can not be sure. There was a KEYSTONE article on > containers some years ago. I will have to go back and check. > > BTW I hope the $10.95 price is for a set of containers and not each! A > G22 gon (which Walthers does NOT make but Westerfield does) held 12 as I > recall. > > Regards, > > Andy Miller > asmiller@mitre.org > > ================================================== > > > pgrace wrote: > > > I noticed that Walthers say they are going to do two types > > of container. > > > > http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-2102 > > > > http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-2122 > > > > Are they realistic for the PRR and when were they in use?? > > > > Patrick Grace > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 21:23:41 +0000 From: prrbill Subject: Re: [PRR] Fw: Please help me find Wm. J. Brennen, Photographer Weldon Greiger wrote: > > All the best to you and yours Weldon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: PRR-Talk > To: Weldon Greiger > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:23 PM > Subject: Re: Help me find Wm. J. Brennen, Photographer > > > >Group: If anyone can put me in contact with the William J. Brennen (or > > >Bert Pennypacker for that matter) who's photograph appears on page 16 of > > the > > >Pennypacker authored Morning Star Book, titled, "Pennsy Electric Years > > >Volume 2", I'd appreciate it very much. > > > > > >I want to discuss his photography and memories of Exchange Place in > > Jersey > > >City, NJ. > > > > > >All the best to you and yours Weldon Bill usually shows at the PHL area Greenberg shows to sell Morning Sun books including his Lionel book. He is not listed for the Ft. Washington show but that is not an all inclusive list. Perhaps you can locate them by contacting Morning Sun books. Bill Morlitz ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 13:28:55 -0800 From: Ron Dugas Subject: Re: [PRR] Containers Hi All, After looking at Rob's diagrams and checking his Westerfield references it does seem that the Walthers "bulk material container" is a "close enough" to the HB4. However, as Bruce points out, the Westerfield option is more cost effective if you want a full gon load and don't plan to remove them. You HO guys will be more familiar with the quality difference between the two brands than I. Later, Ron. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 13:30:13 -0800 From: Ron Dugas Subject: Re: [PRR] Containers Hi Patrick, Jerry, All, Have to agree with Jerry, they don't look like any PRR containers that I've seen. Not even close to the ones shown in Wayner's diagram book. However, I am, also, not an expert. Looking in the "Color Guides" I suppose the PRR bulk container could look like the coke ones but the PRR ones shown there had tops and I can't compare the bottoms as they are in a gon. There is also an article on PRR containers in one of my "Train Shed Cyclopedias". I'll try to find it and check there. I think the article does address PRR's bulk containers. Later, Ron. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 15:40:41 -0600 From: Greg Johnson Subject: Re:Minimum Radius [PRR] N scale brass Jeremy, I don't know specifically about the PRR brass steam, but I would highly recommend at least 18" minimum radius for your N scale layout. I was an N scaler for 20 years (my last layout was featured in Great Model Railroads- 1993), and I learned that the larger the radius the better the operation and appearance. I think my old Arkansas Division layout had 24" minimum radius. My advice - as large as you can fit! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy & Soni Helms" To: "PRR-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:10 PM Subject: [PRR] N scale brass > Hello all, > > I am a new old member here on this list and have been lurking for the last > couple of weeks here. I have noticed the listing of future brass PRR steam > locomotive listings on this and other web sites. It has brought up a > question that I have, what is the minimum recommended radius for locomotives > in N scale such as the J1 and H8/9/10 locomotives by Key Imports? Also has > anyone done a decoder install on such a locomotive? If purchased it would > need a decoder installed. > > Jeremy Helms > Bellevue, Nebraska > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 17:11:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] N scale brass From: Jerry Britton On 12/5/01 4:10 PM, Jeremy & Soni Helms at (jeremy-sonihelms@home.com) wrote: > I am a new old member here on this list and have been lurking for the last > couple of weeks here. I have noticed the listing of future brass PRR steam > locomotive listings on this and other web sites. It has brought up a > question that I have, what is the minimum recommended radius for locomotives > in N scale such as the J1 and H8/9/10 locomotives by Key Imports? Also has > anyone done a decoder install on such a locomotive? If purchased it would > need a decoder installed. > Even as a Key dealer, I haven't gotten any info on a minimum radius for the N scale J's. But N scalers "tend" to run larger radii than HO scalers because they can. I expect it will run on 15", perhaps less, although it won't look as good. I personally will have 20" plus radii. The H series will be a much shorter locomotive, naturally. As for decoders, are you aware that there is now a Soundtraxx N scale decoder? Ought to fit right into the tender of that J!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@pennsyrr.com Member, PRRT&HS "Merchandise Service", a division of Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc., is a reseller of model railroad and railroadiana products. "MS" is also host to the web site "Keystone Crossings", the domain PENNSYRR.COM, and the mailing lists "PRR-Talk", "Conrail- Talk", and "Reading-Talk". When you purchase through "MS", you are providing financial support to these Internet endeavors. Please visit our eCommerce web site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ------------------------------Thank you!----------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: 05 Dec 2001 17:35:30 -0500 From: Doug Drew Subject: [PRR] RE: PRR equipment on "the Montrealer/Washingtonian" Reply to: RE: PRR equipment on "the Montrealer/Washingtonian" "Chany, Christopher" wrote: > Listers, > > My friend models northern New England railroads (B&M/Rutland etc). He > mentioned that the Montrealer continued on to Washington on the PRR as the > Washingtonian. We want to know whether there was any PRR equipment on the > Montrealer. It will give me a great excuse to run my PRR stuff on his > layout! Andy Miller replied: While I can not claim any definitive source, I am reasonably confidant that PRR coaches (P70Ks would be the likely choice) and sleepers (Betterment HWs?) ran through to Montreal on frequent occasions. I am also under the impression that PRR diners never ran through and that the lounge car was NH. BTW the train was called the "Montrealer" over its entire Wash-Montreal Northbound route, and the "Washingtonian" southbound. --------------- I've never heard this train called by its proper names, by the railroad men who operated it. It was always called "the Bootlegger" or just "the Boot" in later years... in either direction. Nickname developed during Prohibition, for obvious reasons. Yes, Chris, Andy Miller is correct about this NB/SB train set running PRR equipment regularly. However, the Bootlegger passed through at night/wee hours of the morning in each direction, in B&M territory, so pictures of it and its equipment taken while traversing the B&M/CV are relatively rare. The following 1952 partial consist of the Boot is from James van Bokkelen's great site about New England railroads and modeling same: http://www.apocalypse.org/~jbvb/rr/run_thru.html#CTV Washington - Montreal: 8sect-5double-bedroom; 5-cpt-buffet-lounge Washington - NYC (Penn): dining car Washington -> Springfield: Parlor car w/drawing room (ex. Saturday) NYC (Penn) - White River Jct.: 10section-1dr-2cpt (ex. Saturday) NYC (Penn) - St. Albans: 10section-3-double-bedroom NYC (Penn) - Montreal: 8section-5db; 14single-bedroom NYC (Penn) -> Washington: Parlor car w/buffet-lounge >From photos I've seen, yes, these were betterment heavyweight cars. Food service was taken care of by a buffet-lounge car north of Penn station, and Andy, I think it *was* a New Haven car, also a heavyweight. PRR B60B express/messenger cars were also used quite often on the daylight north/south trains on the B&M-CV or B&M-CP. Andy, I've never seen a picture of a P70K on the trains that ran up the Connecticut valley to Canada, but that means nothing. I *have* seen photos on non-streamlined P70's on these types of trains, though. -- Doug Drew ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: BPX29@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:07:17 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Washingtonian/Montrealer Chris, I've always had a certain interest in New England passenger operations, particularly in the northern reachs of the region. The day train, the Ambassador, has of course been well covered with photos, but that was a Grand Central train out of New York. I don't think you mentioned what era your friend is modeling, but I have seen numerous photos spanning a large period of time of the Bootlegger, as another lister has referred to this train. All these photos are north of Montpelier Jct, or at that point, in the summer. That's about the only time this train could be photo'd, obviously. Same thing with it's little connecting train carrying the St.Albans sleeper north of White River Jct. (That train, by the way, seemed to often have a Pennsy headend car onboard). There was once an article about this train in Trains mag as well, in which the author spoke of the Montrealer as being 'multi-railroad, multi-colored and slow". I don't know about the coachs, but I've never seen any Pennsy coachs in any of the photos that I can recall. Sleepers though, would be a different matter, what with all the 8-5's mentioned. Also ,in the summer, this train carried a set off sleeper, a 6-6, for Bretton Woods-Fabyan via the B&M out of WRJ. This would be a Pennsy natural.The train wasn't much for headend cars, at least north of that junction point. (Pennsy headend cars often appear in photos of that town). You might try your question over on the passenger car list. Don Valentine, owner of NERS, is an old B&M fan and has a lot of consist info available. I'm sure he could help. regards, Barry Peltier ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Weldon Greiger" Subject: [PRR] Fw: Please help me find Wm. J. Brennen, Photographer Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:28:23 -0500 All the best to you and yours Weldon ----- Original Message ----- From: PRR-Talk To: Weldon Greiger Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:23 PM Subject: Re: Help me find Wm. J. Brennen, Photographer > >Group: If anyone can put me in contact with the William J. Brennen (or > >Bert Pennypacker for that matter) who's photograph appears on page 16 of > the > >Pennypacker authored Morning Star Book, titled, "Pennsy Electric Years > >Volume 2", I'd appreciate it very much. > > > >I want to discuss his photography and memories of Exchange Place in > Jersey > >City, NJ. > > > >All the best to you and yours Weldon > > > > Your message is being returned because the message looked like it > contained a command to the list processor. > > If you were trying to send a command, please send it to: > > LetterRip Requests > > If you are trying to send a message to the PRR-Talk list, please accept > our apologies. The list server tries to prevent commands from being posted > to the list and your message appeared to contain a command. > > The list processor looks in both the subject and the beginning of each > message for the following words: > > help > info > lists > subscribe > unsubscribe > > Try rewriting the message with a slightly different beginning. 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I believe the route was PRR (Wash.-NY), NH (NY-Springfield), BM/CV (Springfield-White River Jct.), CV (WRJ-Cantic,PQ) and CN (Cantic to Montreal). No Rutland except crossing the diamond at Bellows Falls, VT. Doug Nelson. ---------- >From: "Chany, Christopher" >To: PRR-Talk LIST >Subject: [PRR] Washingtonian/Montrealer >Date: Wed, Dec 5, 2001, 5:38 AM > > Listers, > > My friend models northern New England railroads (B&M/Rutland etc). He > mentioned that the Montrealer continued on to Washington on the PRR as the > Washingtonian. We want to know whether there was any PRR equipment on the > Montrealer. It will give me a great excuse to run my PRR stuff on his > layout! > > Chris Chany > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Ted Andrews" Subject: Re: [PRR] Rail sizes Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:37:19 -0500 ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C17DE5.C7EC00C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Peter and the List: In regards to standard rail sizes on the Pennsy, the 130 pound rail on th= e 1951 track chart is a "PS" or "Pennsylvania Standard" design. This rail= was introduced in the mid - 1920's and was produced in large quantities = into the mid-1930's. It was the standard for mainline track until around = 1931, when the 131 PS rail section was designed. This rail section was la= ter adopted by AREA for their standard rail section. By the end of WW II,= the PRR was designing rail sections such as 133 PS and 140 PS which wee = also adopted by the AREA. The Pennsy also designed 152 PS and 155 PS rail= sections for heavy mountainous railroading but these sections were never= adopted by the AREA. At the turn of the 20th century, the PRR was weaning itself away from the= lighter 85 PS rail in favor of the heavier 100 PS rail. 100 PS rail was = used as the standard rail until the 130 PS replaced it. Hence, a given rail section was used as the standard until it was replace= d by a larger rail section. This made the older rail sections available t= o be used on lesser traveled branch lines and sidings. =20 The 130 PS rail that appears on the 1951 track chart is probably not orig= inal. 130 pound rail was probably placed on the Elmira Branch in the 1930= 's but given the rail traffic of coal and those heavy decapods, I would i= magine that the rail was replaced outright at least once by 1951. Your tr= ack chart may show the date of the latest placement. For sidings, spurs, and yard track, the Pennsy would have used 100 PS fro= m 1930 onward to about the early 1960's when they adopted 115 AREA rail f= or branch lines. In HO scale, code 70 rail approximates 100 PS while code 83 is good for 1= 31 to 140 pound rail. For 130 PS, you could use code 83 although it will = be a little too tall in height. Or you may try code 75 rail available by = Peco from England. I think that is undersized as far as height is concern= ed. I am planning on using Microengineer code 83 flex track to replicate = my 130 PS. =20 I hope that this helps you out! Ted Andrews (a "railfan" in more ways than one!!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Reinhold Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:37 PM To: PRR-Talk (E-mail) Subject: [PRR] Rail sizes =20 Hi List, I'm modeling Southport yard, Elmira, NY, and have made the following observations from photos and a 1951 track chart. 1. The rail size coming into the yard is 130 LB. (track chart). 2. The turnouts seen to be 130 LB. (photos) 3. The main trackage and switching leads look like 130 LB. (photos) 4. The body tracks look to be lighter rail (photos) Also, I found that the passing sidings look to be laid in the same weight rail as the main. This would make sense when you consider the traffic on the Elmira Branch. Can anyone comment on PRR practices in general as the relate to my observations. Also, anyone know what weight rail should be used for industrial sidings, 90-110 LB would be my guess. Peter Reinhold preinhol@unidie.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C17DE5.C7EC00C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Peter and the = List:
 
In regards to standard rail sizes= on the Pennsy, the 130 pound rail on the 1951 track chart is a "PS"= or "Pennsylvania Standard" design. This rail was introduced in the mid -= 1920's and was produced in large quantities into the mid-1930's. It was = the standard for mainline track until around 1931, when the 131 PS rail s= ection was designed. This rail section was later adopted by AREA for thei= r standard rail section. By the end of WW II, the PRR was designing rail = sections such as 133 PS and 140 PS which wee also adopted by the AREA. Th= e Pennsy also designed 152 PS and 155 PS rail sections for heavy mountain= ous railroading but these sections were never adopted by the AREA.
=
 
At the turn of the 20th century, the PRR was weani= ng itself away from the lighter 85 PS rail in favor of the heavier 100 PS= rail. 100 PS rail was used as the standard rail until the 130 PS replace= d it.
 
Hence, a given rail section was used a= s the standard until it was replaced by a larger rail section. This made = the older rail sections available to be used on lesser traveled branch
lines and sidings.
 
The 130 PS rail= that appears on the 1951 track chart is probably not original. 130 pound= rail was probably placed on the Elmira Branch in the 1930's but given th= e rail traffic of coal and those heavy decapods, I would imagine that the= rail was replaced outright at least once by 1951. Your track chart may s= how the date of the latest placement.
 
For si= dings, spurs, and yard track, the Pennsy would have used 100 PS from 1930= onward to about the early 1960's when they adopted 115 AREA rail for bra= nch lines.
 
In HO scale, code 70 rail approxi= mates 100 PS while code 83 is good for 131 to 140 pound rail. For 130 PS,= you could use code 83 although it will be a little too tall in height. O= r you may try code 75 rail available by Peco from England. I th= ink that is undersized as far as height is concerned. I am planning = on using Microengineer code 83 flex track to replicate my 130 PS.&nb= sp;
 
I hope that this helps you out!
 
 
Ted Andrews
(a "railfan= " in more ways than one!!)
 
----- = Original Message -----
From: Peter Reinhold
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:37 PM
<= DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">To: PRR-Talk (E-mail)
Subject: [PRR] Rail sizes
&nbs= p;
Hi List,

   I'm modeling Southport yard, Elmira,= NY, and have made the following
observations from photos and a 1951 t= rack chart.
1. The rail size coming into the yard is 130 LB. (track ch= art).
2. The turnouts seen to be 130 LB. (photos)
3. The main track= age and switching leads look like 130 LB. (photos)
4. The body tracks = look to be lighter rail (photos)

   Also, I found that t= he passing sidings look to be laid in the same
weight rail as the main= . This would make sense when you consider the
traffic on the Elmira Br= anch.

   Can anyone comment on PRR practices in general = as the relate to my
observations. Also, anyone know what weight rail s= hould be used for
industrial sidings, 90-110 LB would be my guess.
=
Peter Reinhold
preinhol@unidie.com


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