From: TGREGMRTN@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 05:14:07 EDT Subject: [PRR] pass this along... Hey Yuze Gize... I will be out for the long weekend in the Puget Sound so if anyone can catch up with Gary Mittner let him know I talked to Randy Lee of Model Railroading today and his F-units will publish in the October issue. I just finished a sidebar for his article that Randy ask me to do on the PRR EMD F-3's and man is it late. Hope Yuze Gize enjoy it, Gary did a bang up job! Greg Martin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 06:13:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] pass this along... From: Jerry Britton On 9/1/01 5:14 AM, TGREGMRTN@aol.com at (TGREGMRTN@aol.com) wrote: > I will be out for the long weekend in the Puget Sound so if anyone can catch > up with Gary Mittner let him know I talked to Randy Lee of Model Railroading > today and his F-units will publish in the October issue. I just finished a > sidebar for his article that Randy ask me to do on the PRR EMD F-3's and man > is it late. Hope Yuze Gize enjoy it, Gary did a bang up job! > Greg, all: A few days ago Gary notified me he will be "off list" for a while as he visits his brother. Arizona, maybe? Anyway, it was at least mid-September till he will be back. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@pennsyrr.com Member, PRRT&HS "Merchandise Service", a division of Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc., is a reseller of model railroad and railroadiana products. "MS" is also host to the web site "Keystone Crossings", the domain PENNSYRR.COM, and the mailing lists "PRR-Talk", "Conrail- Talk", and "Reading-Talk". When you purchase through "MS", you are providing financial support to these Internet endeavors. Please visit our eCommerce web site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ------------------------------Thank you!----------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 16:32:07 -0400 From: prrbill Subject: Re: [PRR] Broadway Limited Arrives Tomorrow!!! Jerry Britton wrote: > > On 8/31/01 9:56 AM, Steven Hanlon (steveh@mth-railking.com) wrote: > > > At 09:34 AM 8/31/01 -0400, Jerry Britton wrote: > >> Just a reminder that Harry Webber's new site -- whatever it entails -- > >> arrives tomorrow. > >> > >> The domain placeholder page was replaced a few days ago. A beautiful > >> passenger train with excellent sound now passes across the screen. > >> > >> The Broadway Limited Arrives tomorrow at > >> > >> http://www.thebroadwayltd.com Well, it's 4:30 PM Saturday and all I get on my Mac using either IE 5.02 or Netscape 4.75 with all the plug-ins is the tops of the passenger cars racing past me. Is it up for any of the rest of you? Bill Morlitz ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 16:01:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [PRR] Broadway Limited Arrives Tomorrow!!! From: "William J. Ayers" Bill, List, No it is not! I checked it out earlier this morning and again just now on my Mac (IE 5.0), and I also got what you did. Is this like most construction projects that fall behind schedule? I continue to wait for whatever it is. Bill Ayers > From: prrbill > Reply-To: prrbill@Op.Net > Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 16:32:07 -0400 > To: PRR-Talk LIST > Subject: Re: [PRR] Broadway Limited Arrives Tomorrow!!! > > Jerry Britton wrote: >> >> On 8/31/01 9:56 AM, Steven Hanlon (steveh@mth-railking.com) wrote: >> >>> At 09:34 AM 8/31/01 -0400, Jerry Britton wrote: >>>> Just a reminder that Harry Webber's new site -- whatever it entails -- >>>> arrives tomorrow. >>>> >>>> The domain placeholder page was replaced a few days ago. A beautiful >>>> passenger train with excellent sound now passes across the screen. >>>> >>>> The Broadway Limited Arrives tomorrow at >>>> >>>> http://www.thebroadwayltd.com > > Well, it's 4:30 PM Saturday and all I get on my Mac using either IE 5.02 > or Netscape 4.75 with all the plug-ins is the tops of the passenger cars > racing past me. Is it up for any of the rest of you? > > Bill Morlitz > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Tom Kane Subject: RE: [PRR] Broadway Limited Arrives Tomorrow!!! Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 17:57:44 -0400 Win 95 and IE 5.0 I get just the car lettering. Thomas M. Kane Consulting Systems Engineer Hitachi Data Systems Phone: 703-481-4273 FAX: 509-695-2591 Pager 800-PAGE-MCI PIN 1680533 Email: Tom.Kane@hds.com -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Britton [mailto:jerry@pennsyrr.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:35 AM To: PRR-Talk LIST Subject: [PRR] Broadway Limited Arrives Tomorrow!!! Just a reminder that Harry Webber's new site -- whatever it entails -- arrives tomorrow. The domain placeholder page was replaced a few days ago. A beautiful passenger train with excellent sound now passes across the screen. The Broadway Limited Arrives tomorrow at http://www.thebroadwayltd.com ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com For brass collectors... http://www.brasstrains.net Free serving of railroad web sites... http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gregg Mahlkov" Subject: Re: [PRR] Broadway Limited Arrives Tomorrow!!! Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 18:23:41 -0400 Bill& list: I'm running Windows 98 on an IBM clone and that's all I get. There is a vertical adjustment on the right of the screen but no bar to adjust things in it. Maybe it only works with Windows XT, which isn't out yet. Gregg Mahlkov ----- Original Message ----- From: "prrbill" To: "PRR-Talk LIST" Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] Broadway Limited Arrives Tomorrow!!! > Jerry Britton wrote: > > > > On 8/31/01 9:56 AM, Steven Hanlon (steveh@mth-railking.com) wrote: > > > > > At 09:34 AM 8/31/01 -0400, Jerry Britton wrote: > > >> Just a reminder that Harry Webber's new site -- whatever it entails -- > > >> arrives tomorrow. > > >> > > >> The domain placeholder page was replaced a few days ago. A beautiful > > >> passenger train with excellent sound now passes across the screen. > > >> > > >> The Broadway Limited Arrives tomorrow at > > >> > > >> http://www.thebroadwayltd.com > > Well, it's 4:30 PM Saturday and all I get on my Mac using either IE 5.02 > or Netscape 4.75 with all the plug-ins is the tops of the passenger cars > racing past me. Is it up for any of the rest of you? > > Bill Morlitz > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 19:59:44 -0400 From: prrbill Subject: [PRR] Broadway Limited departure time update Harry Webber wrote me that he tried to get a note through to the list but it wasn't getting posted. The Broadway Ltd.com is scheduled to go live at 12 midnight tonight PST. Bill Morlitz ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 19:47:26 -0700 Subject: FW: [PRR] Broadway Limited Arrives Tomorrow!!! From: "William J. Ayers" List, I received this message from Harry Weber about the debut of TheBroadwayLtd.com. He has not been able to post it on PRR-Talk, so I am forwarding it to the List. ---------- > From: Harry Webber > Organization: Smart Communications, Inc. > Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 15:30:11 -0800 > To: "William J. Ayers" > Subject: Re: [PRR] Broadway Limited Arrives Tomorrow!!! > > Hello list, > > Our arrival time for http://www.TheBroadwayLtd.com is 12 midnight > (PST)tonight. > 8 artists, designers and programmers have given up their Labor Day for this > labor of love, so please bear with us. > > Harry Webber > Bill Ayers ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 03:57:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Geoffrey Van Dooren Subject: [PRR] T1 Hi, till when were T1's in service? Thx, Geoffrey __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: CENTGA@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 09:30:09 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Broadway Limited Arrives Tomorrow!!! The Broadway must be running on Amtraks schedule thesedays!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: JONS6755@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 09:59:33 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Broadway Limited Arrives Tomorrow!!! In a message dated 9/2/01 6:35:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, CENTGA@aol.com writes: << The Broadway must be running on Amtraks schedule thesedays!!! >> Dear List, The Broadway Limited is now boarding at episode 1.0 / Rebirth Of A Ledgend Please have your tickets ready and step to the gate ! ! Jon S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 07:45:41 -0700 Subject: [PRR] Pittsburgh Offices? From: "Douglas Nelson" Can someone tell me what PRR offices were located in the tower above the Pittsburgh station in 1956? Thanks for your help. Doug Nelson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 09:43:26 -0700 From: Ron Dugas Subject: Re: [PRR] Broadway Limited Arrives Tomorrow!!! Hi All, Just checked ot out and it "seems" to be working. I viewed a short "movie" that was shown "letterbox" style. The letterbox is about 3"x10". I won't describe the movie so as not to spoil the experience if that matters to you. It showed more than just cartops or lettering and ended with a notice for episode 2. Later, Ron. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: GPandelios@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 12:49:37 EDT Subject: [PRR] Re: PRR 643 Hi Folks, I was out at Williams Grove yesterday and took a ride on the aforementioned freight train. Number 643 is a B4a 0-6-0 switcher built in June 1901 by the Altoona complex (according to the builder's plate). It does NOT have a Belpaire firebox. All-in-all it was a short, but pleasant little jaunt on the world's only operating PRR steam locomotive (and 100 years old at that)!!! If you're in the area, you should try to get to Williams Grove (south on US 15 just off the PA Turnpike). Cheers, George Modeling the PRR in the Weirton, WV-Steubenville, OH area from 1948-1957. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: CENTGA@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 12:57:44 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Broadway Limited Arrives Tomorrow!!! Did I miss something, all I got was the car tops going by. Todd Horton ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gregg Mahlkov" Subject: Re: [PRR] Broadway Limited Arrives Tomorrow!!! Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:24:51 -0400 Todd: Maybe you need to "Delete Offline Content" and "Delete History" under "Tools", then "internet options" if you're using IE. Harry Webber needs a spellchecker - its spelled "Legend", not "Ledgend". Gregg Mahlkov, ex PRR and New Yorker ---- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] Broadway Limited Arrives Tomorrow!!! > Did I miss something, all I got was the car tops going by. Todd Horton > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "W. Terry Stuart" Subject: Re: [PRR] Pittsburgh Offices? Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 11:54:02 -0400 Doug Nelson inquired... >Can someone tell me what PRR offices were located in the tower above the >Pittsburgh station in 1956? > The 9-story office tower was the headquarters of the PRR Pittsburgh Division. It has now been turned into apartments or condos--I'm not precisely certain which. The passenger facilities are still used by Amtrak, of course. And the east end of the building houses PITT BOX 4, the yard office for Norfork Southern PITT crews. Terry Stuart The FALLSTON FLAGSTOP Railfan B&B 62 Beaver Street Fallston, PA 15066 www.forcomm.net/flagstop ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Wayne S. Betty \(The Cos\)" Subject: RE: [PRR] OT - E33 Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:43:49 -0400 Maybe we could get real lucky - Bachmann could make a nice E33 with correct trucks and pan assemble -then Rail Power Products could make a mint on E44 bodies. Cos Cos Communications, Inc. Home Page Rail Road Pages -----Original Message----- From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com]On Behalf Of Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 4:21 PM To: prr-talk@dsop.com Subject: [PRR] OT - E33 Hey gang, Its off topic, but the latest product release info from Walthers includes an HO scale E-33 (Virginian EL-C, ex NH) in the Botchman Spectrum line...can an E-44 be far behind ??? Happy Rails Bruce ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: JONS6755@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:41:59 EDT Subject: [PRR] PRR's Worst Labor Day Weekend A good friend just sent thidsto me. I had forgotten all about this event which truely made for what must have been the worst weekend in the history of the PRR. sunspot.net - print edition Jon S. PRRT&HS #3079 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:25:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Bruce F Smith Subject: Re: [PRR] T1 On Sun, 2 Sep 2001, Geoffrey Van Dooren wrote: > Hi, > till when were T1's in service? > Thx, Geoffrey Geoffry, I think the exact date may be in some question, but T1s were removed from blue ribbon train service in 1947/48 and down graded to secondary and mail trains where they ran only a few more years. They were scrapped around 1953, but it as fairly unlikely to see a T-1 in service anytime after 1949... Happy Rails Bruce ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: KEMACPRR@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 23:45:42 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] OT - E33 The only problem is the frames are different lengths between the E-33 and E-44. Maybe if they sell enough E-33's we'll see some E-44's. It will probably happen since I've repowered my E-33 and E-44 fleet with Stewart drives. Now we get a plastic one !!!!!! ------------------------ Ken McCorry ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Eric Lauterbach" Subject: [PRR] Life-Like Pennsy Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 20:35:29 +0000 Life-Like is doing a HO scale 0-6-0, which is supposed to be out in April. Here is the information: 30221 0-6-0 Pennsylvania black, gold lettering #7300 US-$ 225,00 30222 0-6-0 Pennsylvania black, gold lettering #7341 US-$ 225,00 It can found on the following web page: http://home.t-online.de/home/all-american-trains/ It is nice to see another engine that Pennsy had come out in the nice plastic, but I wish we could see a real Pennsy engine come out. A J1a would be nice. Eric _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Dennis @ D & S Hobbies" Subject: [PRR] P2K Heritage USRA 0-6-0 Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 21:19:49 -0400 P2K announced that the Heritage USRA 0-6-0 switcher will be released in the April/May 2002 timeframe. Note that this is the USRA version and NOT the B-6 Belpaire firebox version pictured on the European web site. Life Like plans to have their web site updated in the next day or two. Dennis Mailto: dennis@onerrave.com D & S HOBBIES (732) 271-0800 Voice http://www.onerrave.com (732) 271-0805 FAX 34 Main Street South Bound Brook, NJ 08880 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: zootowerprr@webtv.net (Dave Hopson PRR/ Penn Central Art) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] Freight Trains via Fort Wayne Bridge/Federal Street, Greetings List, After today's cookout, some PRR fans and I watched some PRR and Penn Central movies. Both movies showed PRR and PC freights at Federal Street's ramps where trains duck under enroute east via the Conemaugh Mainline and freights and passenger trains using the ramps to cross the Fort Wayne Bridge. Do those freight trains go through the station and how long was PRR doing this? I have both books,"PRR's Golden Triangle" and "The PRR in the Steel City"and it does'nt look like freight trains could clear that canopy train shed at Pittsburgh Station. I don't know much about the PRR in Pittsburgh so if someone out there could clear this up for me I would appreciate It. Dave Hopson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Rob Schoenberg" Subject: RE: [PRR] Life-Like Pennsy Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:08:16 -0400 Is the second number a typo on the German site? The USRA 0-6-0's were class B28s. Keystone Steam & Electric lists the 7300 as a B28s but #7341 doesn't show up as a B28s. I'm guessing they're really doing the 7314 which was a B28s.. I'm pretty sure that the book mentions that there were 30 B28s's, all assigned to lines west... Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com]On Behalf Of Eric > Lauterbach > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 4:35 PM > To: prr-talk@dsop.com > Subject: [PRR] Life-Like Pennsy > > > Life-Like is doing a HO scale 0-6-0, which is supposed to be out > in April. > Here is the information: > 30221 0-6-0 Pennsylvania black, gold lettering #7300 US-$ 225,00 > 30222 0-6-0 Pennsylvania black, gold lettering #7341 US-$ 225,00 > It can found on the following web page: > http://home.t-online.de/home/all-american-trains/ > > It is nice to see another engine that Pennsy had come out in the nice > plastic, but I wish we could see a real Pennsy engine come out. A > J1a would > be nice. > Eric > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 11:11:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Life-Like Pennsy From: Jerry Britton On 9/4/01 11:08 AM, Rob Schoenberg (robs@actel.com) wrote: > Is the second number a typo on the German site? The USRA 0-6-0's > were class B28s. Keystone Steam & Electric lists the 7300 as a > B28s but #7341 doesn't show up as a B28s. I'm guessing they're > really doing the 7314 which was a B28s.. I'm pretty sure that > the book mentions that there were 30 B28s's, all assigned to lines > west... > Both units are class B28s. The correct road numbers are #7300 and #7641. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com For brass collectors... http://www.brasstrains.net Free serving of railroad web sites... http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: zootowerprr@webtv.net (Dave Hopson PRR/ Penn Central Art) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] Freight Trains via Fort Wayne Bridge/Federal Hello List, We watched the movies again and there are some early 1960s PRR TrucTrains at Federal Street going east (under the jumpovers) on the Conemaugh mainline. All of the "High and Wides" aren't going through the station. At least in this part of the tape. Then it shows some PRR SD45/SD40s powered freights (some TrucTrain) climbing the ramps to cross the Fort Wayne Bridge. This has to be 1966 because the SD45s shown look brand new. Clean! I'm thinking that maybe PRR took out some of the canopies at the station so these trains could "squeeze" through the station. One part of the movie shows a few derailments on the sharp curve leading into the station. And this was after the PRR improved the alignment into the station. This is where the T-1s had all thier problems. That is one sharp curve. Listening to the piggybacks go thru that curve will kill your ears. The Penn Central part of the movie shows just about every type of high and wide car crossing the Fort Wayne Bridge. Shows PC freights derailing on that same curve with boxcars landing in a parking lot. "Sir,I parked my car here an hour ago, now I can't find it. It's underneath that boxcar,but don't worry, Penn Central write you a check for a new one!" Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Roger P. Hensley" Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:08:51 +0000 Subject: [PRR] November is Model RR Month November is Model Railroad month here in the States. In the past, the Central Indiana Division, NMRA has held a regular Meet/Dealer Show at the end of October or early November. But we have never stressed promoting the hobby. This year we are. We are holding a free admission Meet in cooperation with the Pike Township Lion's Club (Indianapolis, IN) Pancake Breakfast (the pancakes cost, the Meet is free). We will have clinics and portable and modular layouts and an on-going scenery construction project. The first clinic of the day will be aimed directly at young modelers with a car kit construction clinic. They will get to keep the car and some of the simple tools that they used to build it. Everything we do that day will be aimed at introducing the hobby to new people. This was before we heard about Kalmbach's 'Greatest Hobby in the World' program, but it certainly ties in with it. Why tell you this? I would suggest that there is still time for clubs and organizations to set up something for November. Advertise it! Let people know about the hobby. Don't just put a notice in a hobby shop. That's nice, but it is preaching to the choir. Get something in the local paper, or on radio. Perhaps you might get an active display in a shopping mall. Get some help from a local shop if you have one. The sky is the limit when it comes to ideas. It IS a great hobby, so let's tell people about it! Roger Roger Hensley - rhensley@localnet.com == http://madisonrails.railfan.net/ == == Railroads of Madison County (Indiana) == ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:25:41 -0400 From: "Andrew S. Miller" Subject: Re: [PRR] Freight Trains via Fort Wayne Dave Hopson PRR/ Penn Central Art wrote (in part): > > . . . > Shows PC > freights derailing on that same curve with boxcars landing in a > parking > lot. "Sir,I parked my car here an hour ago, now I can't find it. It's > underneath that boxcar,but don't worry, Penn Central write you a check > for a new one!" > > Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Cash it quickly! Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org ================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: zootowerprr@webtv.net (Dave Hopson PRR/ Penn Central Art) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] Freight Trains via Fort Wayne Bridge/Federal Hello List Most of the early 1960s PRR footage in the tape were shot by some of my buddies on 16mm film. We transferred it to video. The late PRR/Penn Central footage is on a tape called "Penn Central" by Revelations. It's a good tape; don't let the name fool you. This tape might be still avalible. It's about 10 years old now. Nice cab rides from Altoona to Pittsburgh on the four track mainline passing what seems to be a thousand freight trains. Cab rides between York Pa. and Buffalo also. Shows trains on the Brilliant Branch crossing over the B&O. The tape is system wide but there is a lot of Pittsburgh footage. There is another tape out with trains on the Fort Wayne Bridge but I'm not sure of the title. It may be on one of those "PRR Power" series tapes. Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: zootowerprr@webtv.net (Dave Hopson PRR/ Penn Central Art) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] Freight Trains via Fort Wayne Bridge/Federal Here's the address of the video company that has these tapes. They have other PRR and Penn Central tapes that are really nice. And they are under $20 bucks. Revelations Audio-Visuals 977 East Ave. Tallmadge Ohio 44278 Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:27:52 EDT From: TGREGMRTN@aol.com Subject: [PRR] Re: [PRR-Modeling] F-Unit Stripes Gene, Al is correct the stripes on the F-unis should be 2-inches wide and most decals on the market are at least 3-inches wide. I am trying to get Microscale to change this but there has been changes at Microscle and the backlog for correcting decal sheets they produce are long. However; they work for all other diesel locomotives if I an not mistaken. The EMD F-units were delieverd from the factory with a 2-inch wide strip that was continuous from nose to the end (wrapped) at 2-inches and some units never received the tappered stripe or the revised location of the Keystone on the nose even thought their numbers (inside the Keystone) were removed and the logo PRR was added. This was to be done in 1952 with the shoppings that included the "ladder grabs" and the nose lift rings. But as you will see in the soon to be released Withers Book on the F-units that was not always the case... so much for the "Standard". Greg Martin endeimling@home.com writes: > I read something by Greg Martin about Athearn's new F-unit having the correct stripe width and all decal sets are incorrect (assume too wide). >What is the correct width? >Thanks, >Gene Deimling ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:27:54 -0700 Subject: [PRR] Pittsburgh Offices Photos - need help From: "Douglas Nelson" Thanks for the several responses I received from Al Buchan, Pat McKinney, Rich Orr, and Terry Stuart regarding the Pittburgh offices. Now for the second part to my request for help. I have posted 4 photos from 1956 (3 from the offices and 1 from a tower). Can anyone identify the offices or people in the photos, and which tower the 4th photo is taken in. Photo 1 and 2 may be the Region superintendent?? Photo 3 may be the Dispatcher's room?? Thanks for any help. The photos can be viewed at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=637118&a=13716481 If you use AOL, use this link to see the photos: Click here Thanks again, Doug Nelson PRRT&HS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:30:37 -0400 Subject: [PRR-FAX] Rails Northeast Hi All, Does anyone have an "extra" copy of the Aug. 1979 Rails Northeast that I could buy? If not could someone scan the article on the H-25? Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks, Bill ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Subject: [PRR] Rails Northeast Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:30:37 -0400 Hi All, Does anyone have an "extra" copy of the Aug. 1979 Rails Northeast that I could buy? If not could someone scan the article on the H-25? Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks, Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:11:35 -0400 From: "Richard Poole" Subject: [PRR] PRR SCREEN-SAVERS or WALLPAPER Does anyone know where I can download screen-savers or wallpaper featuring PRR steam or diesels for a fee or free?? THANX!! Dpoole17@PAnetwork.com -- DICK POOLE -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 19:42:10 EDT From: LINESWEST@aol.com Subject: Re: [PRR] Tom V's Dayton & Western/Dayton & Union observations Gee, Rick, Wonder what I was thinking about when I wrote this. Still struggling to update PC so I can go online from home. Construction of bike path on the old Panhandle Columbus-Division mainline between South Chalreston and London set to be complete this fall. On Dayton's east side the path runs north from Clement crossing along the R-O-W of the B&O "Dayton Bypass," a lin originally built during the narrowguage boom in the early 1880s that ran from the B&O yards\ north of Dayton (is it named Queensgate?) andbrefly along the Dayton, Lebanon & Cincinnati to the ??Wellston?? subdivision orginally laid out in the 1870s as the narrow guage Dayton & Southeastern that ran through Jamestown and Washington C.H. Tom V. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 23:01:31 -0400 Subject: [PRR-FAX] G-26 in Conrail Hi All, I am still on my hunt for an existing G-26. Does anyone have a listing of what any current G-26 car numbers could be in Conrail? Also, could someone please cross post this to the Conrail list? I don't want to join for just this inquiry. I am hoping that I can locate one in Altoona when I go to Railfest next month for research for a brass project. Please reply to billlane@snip.net and PKMac101@aol.com Thanks Bill ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Subject: [PRR] G-26 in Conrail Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 23:01:31 -0400 Hi All, I am still on my hunt for an existing G-26. Does anyone have a listing of what any current G-26 car numbers could be in Conrail? Also, could someone please cross post this to the Conrail list? I don't want to join for just this inquiry. I am hoping that I can locate one in Altoona when I go to Railfest next month for research for a brass project. Please reply to billlane@snip.net and PKMac101@aol.com Thanks Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 07:31:49 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Tom V's Dayton & Western/Dayton & Union observations In a message dated 9/5/01 7:42:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LINESWEST writes: << Gee, Rick, Wonder what I was thinking about when I wrote this. Still struggling to update PC so I can go online from home. Construction of bike path on the old Panhandle Columbus-Division mainline between South Chalreston and London set to be complete this fall. On Dayton's east side the path runs north from Clement crossing>> B&O's tight-clearance underpass under the PRR << along the R-O-W of the B&O "Dayton Bypass," a lin originally built during the narrowguage boom in the early 1880s that ran from the B&O yards\ north of Dayton (is it named Queensgate?)>> probably Needmore Road Yard -- Queensgate is Chessie/CSX's major rebuild of the B&O yards in Cincinnati, just north of the Cincinnati Union Terminal << andbrefly along the Dayton, Lebanon & Cincinnati to the ??Wellston?? subdivision>> yes, B&O's Wellston Subdivision, which went to the coalfields near Jackson Ohio << orginally laid out in the 1870s as the narrow guage Dayton & Southeastern that ran through Jamestown and Washington C.H.>> after D&SE days, believe it was labelled the Dayton Fort Wayne & Chicago. This line was standard-gaged and absorbed by the Cincinnati Hamilton & Dayton; it complemented the CH&D's major route from Cincinnati through Dayton to Toledo. Closer to the 20th Century, the CH&D became part of the B&O. Thanks, Tom, for the further update on the paved bike paths radiating from Xenia. Hang in there -- it's good to hear from you. Rick Tipton Louisville KY Remembering the Pennsylvania Railroad and especially PRR Lines West ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Doug Day" Subject: [PRR] Fw: PRR BS10 (VO-1000) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:17:55 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Day To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:04 AM Subject: PRR BS10 (VO-1000) > List, > > I'm currently assembling this, the latest to my roster, and was wondering > how many stacks ( were they the tall of short ones) the PRR's BS10's had on > them and if there was a photo available. This is a beautiful model and I > want it to be correct. I forget what the loco # is as I don't have it here > with me at this writing, but the last 2 digits are 18 (if anybody has photos > of this particular engine). > > Enjoying this list immensely and am in the process of renumbering some of my > N-5's andd N-5c's correctly (thanks to info gleaned from this list) for the > Buckeye and Pittsburgh regions especially cabins that were located in and > worked out ot Mingo Jct., OH & Weirton, WV. > > SPF > > Doug > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Lewis J. Matt PhD" Subject: [PRR] Laser cutting material Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:42:31 -0400 Can anyone direct me to a person/company that does laser cutting of thin wood parts? I need to reproduce some fine, intricate detail for a scratchbuilding project. Lew Matt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:07:23 -0500 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] Fw: PRR BS10 (VO-1000) Doug Day sez: >> I'm currently assembling this, the latest to my roster, and was wondering >> how many stacks ( were they the tall of short ones) the PRR's BS10's had on >> them and if there was a photo available. This is a beautiful model and I >> want it to be correct. I forget what the loco # is as I don't have it here >> with me at this writing, but the last 2 digits are 18 (if anybody has photos >> of this particular engine). David Thompson posted a complete phased production history of the Baldwin VO-1000 on the PM-list (Now the RM-list on Yehaw groups http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RAILROADmodeler). He identified the following PRR locomotives: Qty. Road r/n Date b/n Phase Stacks 3 PRR 5913-5915 9/43 69662-69664 IIc 1 2 PRR 5916,5917 9,10/43 69665,69666 IId 1 1 PRR 5918 11/43 69784 IId 1 2 PRR 5919,5920 10/45 71552,71553 IIIc 4 It would appear that you are interested in #5918, a phase IId loco with one stack. Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Tom Kane Subject: [PRR] New Atlas SD-35 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:11:21 -0700 I just received an email announcing an HO SD-35 in PRR livery (3 actually, 6016, 6035 and no #) for February 2002. Thomas M. Kane Consulting Systems Engineer Hitachi Data Systems Phone: 703-481-4273 FAX: 509-695-2591 Pager 800-PAGE-MCI PIN 1680533 Email: Tom.Kane@hds.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 15:20:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] New Atlas SD-35 From: Jerry Britton On 9/6/01 3:11 PM, Tom Kane (Tom.Kane@hds.com) wrote: > I just received an email announcing an HO SD-35 in PRR livery (3 actually, > 6016, 6035 and no #) for February 2002. > Yes, I just added them to the "Advance Reservations" page on the "Merchandise Service" site. They also announced DASH 8-40B's in N scale in Conrail and Norfolk Southern, for those that model PRR successor lines. 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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 18:03:29 EDT From: LINESWEST@aol.com Subject: Re: [PRR] Tom V's Dayton & Western/Dayton & Union observations Rick, Jim Schaup, writing in "Next Stop, Xenia" a small book on Greene County, Ohio, railroads states that there were a total of (if I remember right) 19 different corporate names for the B&O Wellston Sub beginning with the Dayton, Xenia & Bellpre which first laid out the line between Xenia and Washington Court House in the 1850s and had the R-O-W graded and grubbed when it was accquired by the Little Miami Railroad in the 1850s. The r-o-w east of Xenia was sold off to investors but construction did not begin in earnest until the D&SE in the early 1870s. I have a hunch the D&SE was the coal hauling line that nearly ruined NCR founder John Patterson in the early 1880s forcing him to conc entrate on his mechanical "honest cashier." Tom V. In a message dated Thu, 6 Sep 2001 7:38:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RickTipton@aol.com writes: > << andbrefly along the Dayton, Lebanon & Cincinnati to the ??Wellston?? > subdivision>> > > yes, B&O's Wellston Subdivision, which went to the coalfields near Jackson > Ohio > > << orginally laid out in the 1870s as the narrow guage Dayton & Southeastern > that ran through Jamestown and Washington C.H.>> > > after D&SE days, believe it was labelled the Dayton Fort Wayne & Chicago. > This line was standard-gaged and absorbed by the Cincinnati Hamilton & > Dayton; it complemented the CH&D's major route from Cincinnati through Dayton > to Toledo. Closer to the 20th Century, the CH&D became part of the B&O. > > Thanks, Tom, for the further update on the paved bike paths radiating from > Xenia. Hang in there -- it's good to hear from you. > > Rick Tipton > Louisville KY > Remembering the Pennsylvania Railroad and especially PRR Lines West > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 18:03:30 EDT From: LINESWEST@aol.com Subject: Re: [PRR] Tom V's Dayton & Western/Dayton & Union observations Rick, Jim Schaup, writing in "Next Stop, Xenia" a small book on Greene County, Ohio, railroads states that there were a total of (if I remember right) 19 different corporate names for the B&O Wellston Sub beginning with the Dayton, Xenia & Bellpre which first laid out the line between Xenia and Washington Court House in the 1850s and had the R-O-W graded and grubbed when it was accquired by the Little Miami Railroad in the 1850s. The r-o-w east of Xenia was sold off to investors but construction did not begin in earnest until the D&SE in the early 1870s. I have a hunch the D&SE was the coal hauling line that nearly ruined NCR founder John Patterson in the early 1880s forcing him to conc entrate on his mechanical "honest cashier." Tom V. In a message dated Thu, 6 Sep 2001 7:38:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RickTipton@aol.com writes: > << andbrefly along the Dayton, Lebanon & Cincinnati to the ??Wellston?? > subdivision>> > > yes, B&O's Wellston Subdivision, which went to the coalfields near Jackson > Ohio > > << orginally laid out in the 1870s as the narrow guage Dayton & Southeastern > that ran through Jamestown and Washington C.H.>> > > after D&SE days, believe it was labelled the Dayton Fort Wayne & Chicago. > This line was standard-gaged and absorbed by the Cincinnati Hamilton & > Dayton; it complemented the CH&D's major route from Cincinnati through Dayton > to Toledo. Closer to the 20th Century, the CH&D became part of the B&O. > > Thanks, Tom, for the further update on the paved bike paths radiating from > Xenia. Hang in there -- it's good to hear from you. > > Rick Tipton > Louisville KY > Remembering the Pennsylvania Railroad and especially PRR Lines West > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 18:53:18 EDT Subject: [PRR-FAX] PRR PTT's on List 12 of the Jack Fravert collection A semi-non-commercial message: As we approach the close of another auction of materials from the Jack Fravert estate, I note that this batch includes two PRR passenger timetables: 1. PRR Form 1, July 11, 1948. 56pp, condition VG to excellent 2. PRR Form 4, Sept 29, 1929 (New York and the West). 28pp, soiled cover (fair), with G to VG pages. Of course, there's much more including old Equipment Registers and Official Guides, employee timetables for "those other roads", and a brass L&N steam locomotive whistle. Remember, these items do not appear on eBay; they're bid on only by a small group of fans. If you message me now, there's time to send you List 12 and get you started bidding before it closes. We'll have two more lists this fall and winter before we volunteers close out this estate. Rick Tipton Business manager for the Jack Fravert collection, an estate including builder plates, number plates, railroad hardware, books, paper collectibles, and other railroadiana. Email RickTipton@aol.com Phone 502-228-4997 (8am to 8pm please) Fax 502-426-0089 (for now) Wolf Penn Station 5108 Wolf Pen Woods Drive Prospect, KY 40059-9197 ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Of course, there's much more including old Equipment Registers and Official Guides, employee timetables for "those other roads", and a brass L&N steam locomotive whistle. Remember, these items do not appear on eBay; they're bid on only by a small group of fans. If you message me now, there's time to send you List 12 and get you started bidding before it closes. We'll have two more lists this fall and winter before we volunteers close out this estate. Rick Tipton Business manager for the Jack Fravert collection, an estate including builder plates, number plates, railroad hardware, books, paper collectibles, and other railroadiana. Email RickTipton@aol.com Phone 502-228-4997 (8am to 8pm please) Fax 502-426-0089 (for now) Wolf Penn Station 5108 Wolf Pen Woods Drive Prospect, KY 40059-9197 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: nuts4prr@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:53:37 EDT Subject: [PRR-FAX] SIze Listers, I was just sent this story by a friend, I don't know if it is true but it is funny and does have PRR (bow down and grovel) content. Size?   There was the time that the president of the Maryland and Pennsylvania (short-line) Railroad demanded to get a free pass to ride the Pennsylvania Railroad. In exchange, he said, he'd give the president of the Pennsy a pass over the Ma & Pa. "What good is that?" asked the PRR's president. "Your railroad is a hundred times shorter than ours!" "Ah," said the president of the Ma & Pa, "but it's just as wide!" Graeme Nitz An Aussie SPF Now Living in Tulsa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! 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EDDY at RAIL CLASSICS www.railclassics.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 19:36:33 -0400 Subject: [PRR] RailFest Festivities From: Jerry Britton For the fourth year in a row, we are arranging a get-together at RailFest for subscribers of "PRR-Talk" and "Conrail-Talk". Once again, Carl Haslett has volunteered to coordinate the event. If you plan to attend on Saturday, Oct. 6th, please contact Carl at chaslett@cse.l-3com.com and let him know. Due to another commitment I will be attending on Sunday with my son. As we get closer, Carl will make posts to the list summarizing plans to encourage more participation. 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From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 03:15:18 EDT Subject: [PRR-FAX] Wow - Dayton Xenia & Belpre/Little Miami In a message dated 9/7/01 1:12:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, PRR-Talk@dsop.com writes: << Rick, Jim Schaup, writing in "Next Stop, Xenia" a small book on Greene County, Ohio, railroads states that there were a total of (if I remember right) 19 different corporate names for the B&O Wellston Sub beginning with the Dayton, Xenia & Bellpre which first laid out the line between Xenia and Washington Court House in the 1850s and had the R-O-W graded and grubbed when it was accquired by the Little Miami Railroad in the 1850s. The r-o-w east of Xenia was sold off to investors but construction did not begin in earnest until the D&SE in the early 1870s. I have a hunch the D&SE was the coal hauling line that nearly ruined NCR founder John Patterson in the early 1880s forcing him to conc entrate on his mechanical "honest cashier." Tom V. >> Tom, You continue to astound me, as I hadn't picked up on the DX&B being the B&O Wellston subdivision predecessor east/southeast of Xenia. Rightly or wrongly, I associate DX&B with the PRR's 16-mile line between Xenia and Dayton. That would certainly explain why the B&O track ran along the south boundary of the PRR Xenia station property, and broke southeast at the PRR freight house in the direction of Washington Court House. Did this line to Washington Court House line up well with the PRR/DX&B? alignment coming in from Dayton and Trebein? Obviously, at one time it would have - the Dayton line had quite a curve to get it behind the passenger station (old or "new") and to its connection with the Little Miami's "C&X" line from Xenia to Columbus. Note to all: virtually all traces of everything discussed here have disappeared. All four PRR lines radiating from Xenia (southwest to Cincinnati, west to Dayton, north to Springfield, and northeast to Columbus) came under the control of the Little Miami RR before the Civil War. Now all four of these ex-PRR tracks are bike trails and the station yards have been redeveloped as a park. Need I comment that one of the neat things about the PRR/Little Miami at Xenia is its alignment. Originally the LM main curved north from the yards and went up the hill in Detroit Street toward Springfield. But when PRR affiliates and other roads reached Columbus, the LM partnered/took over the Columbus & Xenia, and then the main line ran Cincinnati-Morrow-Xenia-London-Columbus, running into the new Columbus Union Depot. Over the PRR years, three things happened: 1. The line became mileposted from Columbus to Cincinnati. The Dayton line west and the Springfield Branch (railroad east) each had a milepost zero at Xenia station. 2. At Xenia, this line from Columbus to Cincinnati became a straight two and three track R-O-W all the way through town. It's implied that, at the time this was done, the railroad to Cincinnati carried more traffic than the single track/minimally improved line that diverged toward Dayton. 3. In 1955, the line to Cincinnati was Main Line of the Cincinnati District, Buckeye Region. In 1956, it was one of the main lines of Buckeye Region, shown on an equal footing with the line west through Dayton to Indianapolis. But in later timetables, the main line runs Columbus-Dayton-Indianapolis. By 1970 (PC Southern Region TT 4), the Cincinnati line became the "C&X Branch", downgraded in favor of the NYC's line from Dayton to Cincinnati. First, much traffic still flowed Columbus-London-Xenia-Dayton-Cincinnati, especially westbounds because they weren't bothered by the stiff hill eastbound out of Dayton. Later, all the traffic went Columbus-London on the PRR side, and London-Springfield-Dayton-Cincinnati on the NYC side. This allowed eventual abandonment of all of the four legs of the Little Miami out of Xenia, and railroading there came to an end. PS: Wish I could find my copy of "Next Stop Xenia", published by the Greene County Historical Society. The move still has the railroad stuff in a mess. Rick Tipton Louisville KY Remembering the Pennsylvania Railroad and especially PRR Lines West ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 03:15:18 EDT Subject: [PRR] Wow - Dayton Xenia & Belpre/Little Miami In a message dated 9/7/01 1:12:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, PRR-Talk@dsop.com writes: << Rick, Jim Schaup, writing in "Next Stop, Xenia" a small book on Greene County, Ohio, railroads states that there were a total of (if I remember right) 19 different corporate names for the B&O Wellston Sub beginning with the Dayton, Xenia & Bellpre which first laid out the line between Xenia and Washington Court House in the 1850s and had the R-O-W graded and grubbed when it was accquired by the Little Miami Railroad in the 1850s. The r-o-w east of Xenia was sold off to investors but construction did not begin in earnest until the D&SE in the early 1870s. I have a hunch the D&SE was the coal hauling line that nearly ruined NCR founder John Patterson in the early 1880s forcing him to conc entrate on his mechanical "honest cashier." Tom V. >> Tom, You continue to astound me, as I hadn't picked up on the DX&B being the B&O Wellston subdivision predecessor east/southeast of Xenia. Rightly or wrongly, I associate DX&B with the PRR's 16-mile line between Xenia and Dayton. That would certainly explain why the B&O track ran along the south boundary of the PRR Xenia station property, and broke southeast at the PRR freight house in the direction of Washington Court House. Did this line to Washington Court House line up well with the PRR/DX&B? alignment coming in from Dayton and Trebein? Obviously, at one time it would have - the Dayton line had quite a curve to get it behind the passenger station (old or "new") and to its connection with the Little Miami's "C&X" line from Xenia to Columbus. Note to all: virtually all traces of everything discussed here have disappeared. All four PRR lines radiating from Xenia (southwest to Cincinnati, west to Dayton, north to Springfield, and northeast to Columbus) came under the control of the Little Miami RR before the Civil War. Now all four of these ex-PRR tracks are bike trails and the station yards have been redeveloped as a park. Need I comment that one of the neat things about the PRR/Little Miami at Xenia is its alignment. Originally the LM main curved north from the yards and went up the hill in Detroit Street toward Springfield. But when PRR affiliates and other roads reached Columbus, the LM partnered/took over the Columbus & Xenia, and then the main line ran Cincinnati-Morrow-Xenia-London-Columbus, running into the new Columbus Union Depot. Over the PRR years, three things happened: 1. The line became mileposted from Columbus to Cincinnati. The Dayton line west and the Springfield Branch (railroad east) each had a milepost zero at Xenia station. 2. At Xenia, this line from Columbus to Cincinnati became a straight two and three track R-O-W all the way through town. It's implied that, at the time this was done, the railroad to Cincinnati carried more traffic than the single track/minimally improved line that diverged toward Dayton. 3. In 1955, the line to Cincinnati was Main Line of the Cincinnati District, Buckeye Region. In 1956, it was one of the main lines of Buckeye Region, shown on an equal footing with the line west through Dayton to Indianapolis. But in later timetables, the main line runs Columbus-Dayton-Indianapolis. By 1970 (PC Southern Region TT 4), the Cincinnati line became the "C&X Branch", downgraded in favor of the NYC's line from Dayton to Cincinnati. First, much traffic still flowed Columbus-London-Xenia-Dayton-Cincinnati, especially westbounds because they weren't bothered by the stiff hill eastbound out of Dayton. Later, all the traffic went Columbus-London on the PRR side, and London-Springfield-Dayton-Cincinnati on the NYC side. This allowed eventual abandonment of all of the four legs of the Little Miami out of Xenia, and railroading there came to an end. PS: Wish I could find my copy of "Next Stop Xenia", published by the Greene County Historical Society. The move still has the railroad stuff in a mess. Rick Tipton Louisville KY Remembering the Pennsylvania Railroad and especially PRR Lines West ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: nuts4prr@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:09:28 EDT Subject: [PRR-FAX] Re Ebay Alert Listers, I have just sent the following Pennsy Journals to eBay:- Vol. 1 No. 2 Spring 1981 Vol. 1 No. 3 Summer 1981 Vol. II No. 1 Winter 1982 Vol. II No. 2 Spring 1982 Vol. II No. 3 Summer 1982 Vol. III No. 1 Winter 1983 Vol. III No. 2 Spring 1983 Vol. III No. 3 Summer 1983 Vol. III No. 4 Fall 1983 Graeme Nitz An Aussie SPF Now Living in Tulsa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] TV Program Lists, I just saw an ad on WPXI Channel 11 in Pittsburgh. Seems they will be airing a show on Saturday at 7:00 PM about the Pennsylvania Railroad. Have no idea what it will contain but I am assuming it will be related to the Pittsburgh area. Unseen home movies? who knows?....Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s, G5s and T1 WEB PAGES>>> PRR Loco Pics: http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com & http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html and...... PRR Pics, Memorabilia and Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: zootowerprr@webtv.net (Dave Hopson PRR/ Penn Central Art) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] Wires still up in old Thorndale Yard. Greetings List, Yesterday,I rode the Strasburg Special out of 30th Street Station. I was quite surprised to see that most of the catenary in Thorndale Yard was still up after all these years. That was my first time back to Thorndale since the 1980s. Even the old "AC MOTOR STOP" signs are still in place. I'm going to go back out there and get some photos of all that wire. Maybe if I stand there long enough, a Tructrain will roll by with 3 E44s on the front end. Dave Hopson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 21:21:27 -0400 From: "Michael A. Hmel" Subject: Fw: [PRR] TV Program ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Mittner" To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 7:52 PM Subject: [PRR] TV Program > Lists, > > I just saw an ad on WPXI Channel 11 in Pittsburgh. Seems they will > be airing a show on Saturday at 7:00 PM about the Pennsylvania Railroad. > Have no idea what it will contain but I am assuming it will be related > to the Pittsburgh area. Unseen home movies? who knows?....Gary Hey Guys , I looked in the Pittsburgh TV Week Magazine and the program is listed as " Railroad Special " with no other description . Time is as Gary mentioned 7:00 pm on WPXI , Pittsburgh NBC affiliate ( Channel 11 ). Mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: zootowerprr@webtv.net (Dave Hopson PRR/ Penn Central Art) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] Wires Still Up in old Thorndale Yard Hello List, Can anyone tell me if "THORN" tower on the ex-PRR mainline is still active? I couldn't tell from the train yesterday. Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:24:00 -0400 From: Dan Cupper Subject: Re: [PRR] TV Program Greetings to Gary, Michael and the List: The subject of this TV report is, according to WPXI-TV reporter Brian Leopold, Altoona and the Horseshoe Curve specifically, and, to a lesser extent, the PRR generally. Brian and a cameraman were in Altoona and at the Curve Aug. 27-28 to film and conduct interviews. Interviewed were Cummins McNitt, director of the Altoona Railroaders Memorial Museum, and retired PRR engineman Bill Haxel, among others. Brian is a fan/former model railroader, and knew the right questions to ask, so I have a lot of confidence that this will rise considerably above those often-seen-on-TV Clueless/Waste of Time segments. Hope this helps. Dan Cupper ------------------------------------------ Gary Mittner wrote: > > Lists, > > I just saw an ad on WPXI Channel 11 in Pittsburgh. Seems they will > be airing a show on Saturday at 7:00 PM about the Pennsylvania Railroad. > Have no idea what it will contain but I am assuming it will be related > to the Pittsburgh area. Unseen home movies? who knows?....Gary > > Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art > Work!.......and MY NEW K4s, G5s and T1 WEB PAGES>>> > > PRR Loco Pics: > http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com > > & > > http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html > and...... > > PRR Pics, Memorabilia and Models: > > http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! X-eGroups-From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) From: mittner@webtv.net Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR-FAX] TV Program Lists, I just saw an ad on WPXI Channel 11 in Pittsburgh. Seems they will be airing a show on Saturday at 7:00 PM about the Pennsylvania Railroad. Have no idea what it will contain but I am assuming it will be related to the Pittsburgh area. Unseen home movies? who knows?....Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s, G5s and T1 WEB PAGES>>> PRR Loco Pics: http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com & http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html and...... PRR Pics, Memorabilia and Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:01:30 -0400 Subject: [PRR-FAX] not Pennsy BUT Hi All, I have been sent a website that contains over 6000 official vintage N & W photos on it. That is the good news. The bad news is it is not searchable for content or subject. I wish it was Pennsy an I had a cable modem!! http://worf.cc.vt.edu/cgi-bin/imagebase/pub_browse?collection_id=ns&place=0 Enjoy! Bill ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Subject: [PRR] not Pennsy BUT Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:01:30 -0400 Hi All, I have been sent a website that contains over 6000 official vintage N & W photos on it. That is the good news. The bad news is it is not searchable for content or subject. I wish it was Pennsy an I had a cable modem!! http://worf.cc.vt.edu/cgi-bin/imagebase/pub_browse?collection_id=ns&place=0 Enjoy! Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Brian J Carlson" Subject: [PRR] Tichy G30 Kit Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:31:04 -0400 I purchased one of the Tichy G30 kits a few months ago, and I was wondering if the trucks included in the kit are correct. According to Rob's site PRR G30 362844 was delivered with 2E-F19 Barrett-Whitehead trucks. I checked Richard Burg's article in the June 1993 issue of Model Railroading, but he only covered 50 Ton trucks. Does anyone know if the trucks supplied with the kit are 2E-F19, and if not where I can get a pair of the correct trucks. Thanks for any help. Brian J Carlson Cheektowaga NY ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: JM_CASSATT_JR@webtv.net (Jim Cassatt,Jr) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 06:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] Re: PRR-Talk Digest - 09/10/01 Thorndale is an active 24 hour 7 day a week tower. Jim ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 04:26:53 -0700 (PDT) From: robert netzlof Subject: Re: [PRR] TV Program --- Dan Cupper wrote: > Greetings to Gary, Michael and the List: > > The subject of this TV report is, according to > WPXI-TV reporter Brian > Leopold, Altoona and the Horseshoe Curve > specifically, and, to a lesser > extent, the PRR generally. I wonder, is this the same program which is supposed to air on WJAC-TV (Johnstown) at 7:30 pm September 15th? ===== Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:37:08 -0400 Subject: [PRR] More Questions About VIEW Interlocking From: Jerry Britton My initial readings in "Triumph IV" (shipped last week) has spawned a few new questions about VIEW interlocking at Duncannon, Pa.: 1) One shot, dated 1964, shows the present day bridge of state routes 11 & 15 behind the tower. The bridge looks fairly new...what you can see of it. Does anyone know when this highway bridge was constructed? More importantly (for me), was it after 1954? I am 95% certain it would have been. 2) An early valuation photo shows the tower in its typical lapboard siding. The 1964 photos shows it with brick sheathing having been installed. Anyone know when the brick sheathing was installed overtop/in place of the previous facade? Again, I am concerned about 1954. At the Northern Central Chapter meeting yesterday, most felt the brick sheathing applications started in the late 1950's, if not the early 1960's. Overall, I was disappointed with the coverage "Triumph IV" gave to VIEW. Likewise, I felt there should have been more coverage of the Denholm coal wharf. There was very little. Same with track pans. Although the book does include a very good shot of the emergency water crane at Cove! ;-) ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com For brass collectors... http://www.brasstrains.net Free serving of railroad web sites... http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "James L. McDaniel" Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:54:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR-FAX] not Pennsy BUT Actually, it is searchable start at .... http://scholar2.lib.vt.edu/testdata/nw/nw.html or http://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/search.php This are the N&W photo collections which were donated to the Newman Library at Virginia Tech along with most of the corporate papers of the predecessor lines of the N&W. Jim McDaniel, VT Class of 72, still searching down in Delmarva ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Jim McDaniel, VT Class of 72, still searching down in Delmarva ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "James L. McDaniel" Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:04:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR-FAX] not Pennsy BUT As a matter of fact, there are 14 PRR images at Virginia Tech (see previous post) http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/NS2624.jpeg for lines westerners http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns1637.jpeg and closer to home: http://spec.lib.vt.edu./imagebase/spec/drake/full/DR059.JPG Jim McDaniel, located 6 miles from the last image ------------------------ Yahoo! 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McDaniel" Subject: [PRR] Re: [PRR-FAX] not Pennsy BUT As a matter of fact, there are 14 PRR images at Virginia Tech (see previous post) http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/NS2624.jpeg for lines westerners http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns1637.jpeg and closer to home: http://spec.lib.vt.edu./imagebase/spec/drake/full/DR059.JPG Jim McDaniel, located 6 miles from the last image ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Mark Bej Subject: Re: [PRR] Wires Still Up in old Thorndale Yard Date: Mon, 10 Sep 101 09:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Dave Hopson PRR/ Penn Central Art scribit: > > Can anyone tell me if "THORN" tower on the ex-PRR mainline is still > active? I couldn't tell from the train yesterday. Oui, absolutement. -- Mark D. Bej bejm@eeg.ccf.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:16:03 -0400 Subject: [PRR] 2002 Convention From: Jerry Britton Seems a bit early to report on, but Al Buchan has been hard at work organizing the sessions for next Spring's convention. At yesterday's Northern Central Chapter meeting, Society BoD member Ivan Franz related some of the "definite" sessions. The lead session will be a "don't miss". Dan Cupper will be doing the Thursday evening session on the Rockville Bridge, which celebrates its 100th anniversary this coming March. I know Dan has a ton of original builder's photos and has a book due out on the subject (Withers) so this will be one to see!!! Sessions on Metroliners and Gondolas are also in place. The session following the banquet will be on Lines West. At dinner, there will be a display of the "20 greatest photos of the PRR", including those from Don Wood and Bob Malinoski. The term "raffle" was mentioned in the same paragraph!!! Heck, I usually don't salivate until the convention is six months out. Got an early start this time 'round! ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com For brass collectors... http://www.brasstrains.net Free serving of railroad web sites... http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:38:17 -0400 Subject: [PRR] Liberty Limited Auction From: Jerry Britton Yesterday was the liquidation auction of the Northern Central Railway, Inc., which operated the Liberty Limited Dinner Train out of New Freedom, Pa. I was the low spender, $3.87, for "junk" for my kids who were along for the excitement. Ken Bitten, owner of the corporation, repurchased most of the restaurant equipment, skirting the legal system and paving the way (inexpensively!) to set up his next venture, wherever that is! The Northern Central caboose, origination unknown, went for $5K. Many of the passenger cars were leased so they were either not for sale, or had reserves that were not met. Bidding went to $8,500 on a diner, but it was below reserve. The NCRy-owned cars went by absolute auction and there were some deals to be had. There were two hopper cars that went for $300 and $275. Heck, people spend more than that on brass models!!! There were several LIRR coaches that went real cheap. One configured as a Bar car went for under $800. Another set up as a Parlor went for around $1,200. Unreal!!! The Catulpa Falls, the PS6L mid-train lounge from the Broadway Limited was on-site, but not for sale. This car is privately owned. She still bears her original partitions inside, but really needs some TLC. She would beautiful if restored. Other than the TOWER cars, the FALLS cars are probably the ideal cars for restoration, given the amount of open area and the number of bedrooms. Auction lasted about 4.5 hours. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com For brass collectors... http://www.brasstrains.net Free serving of railroad web sites... http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: zootowerprr@webtv.net (Dave Hopson PRR/ Penn Central Art) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] Wires Still Up in Old Thorndale Yard I'll take your advice and check out the high bridge at Downingtown. Rumor has it that the bridge may have to be replaced or reenforced if NS rebuilds the P&T Branch. The last days Conrail was using it, the trains were down to about 25-30mph. The video tape: Pennsy Steam & Electric Years Vol. 2 has some great shots of P5s,GG1s, and E44s crossing the bridge at 60mph. Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:57:08 EDT Subject: [PRR] CLAGG and PRR's Ohio River crossing at Louisville In a message dated 9/9/01 6:26:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bejm@eeg.ccf.org writes: << Gentlemen, there is an ex-PRR tower in the middle of nowhere that is beckoning to me. After reviewing Jon Roma's list of still-open towers, I strongly believe that this and HN Cabin are the only operating PRR towers outside of the NY area that I have not yet visited. Can we get any info on this puppy? When is it open? What day could we pick to meet in Looweevul to check it out? -- Mark >> Mark, Problematical. CLAGG tower is now operated by the Louisville & Indianapolis RR, a short line running the ex-PRR trackage here. I'm told the operator appears from across the river (Indiana) when there's rail traffic that requires lowering the drawspan. I've also heard eighth-hand that railfans are not that welcome (not necessarily characteristic of the L&I). Back when this bridge was PC, the CLAGG operator told me that as far as he was concerned, he worked for the railroad, and the normal position of the bridge was DOWN -- if the machinery died, the railroad would still be able to run. But in the years since, rail traffic across that bridge has decreased even more than barge traffic under it (less coal on the river, and less interchange to the railroad since the CSX merger put the L&N and the B&O together). I know from experience that the normal position of the PRR draw is now UP. You can see it up whenever you're close to the river; in fact I was within view at dinner last night across the river in Jeffersonville IN. That way, the Corps of Engineers, operator of the locks and dam here, and their clients/users, the river traffic, don't carp about having to wait for it to be raised. Some of you interested in PRR signaling will remember that the doubletrack PRR on both sides of the Ohio River here at Louisville were connected by an "island of CTC" several miles long. Once upon a time, trains in and out of Louisville plus transfers and light engines meant about 200 moves a day through CLAGG interlocking. PRR's 14th Street engine terminal was immediately adjacent to CLAGG on the riverbank, so close that some tail track moves of light engines required going out on the drawspan. PRR's passenger trains had long since moved to Louisville Union Station, over a mile south, and PRR's freights used Jeffersonville (IN) Yard, some distance north of the bridge, but the power still had to come to 14th Street for servicing through the 50's. Watch coming Keystones for Jack Fravert pix of 14th Street in steam, and later maybe some glimpses of CLAGG. Rick Tipton Louisville KY Remembering the Pennsylvania Railroad and especially PRR Lines West ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: cobrandt@eclipse.net Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:21:18 +400 Subject: [PRR] Train Sim GG-1 For those of you into Train Sim....... http://www.trainweb.org/columbusrr/clw/ They don't have a cab yet, it uses the Acela cab. The fly-bys are awesome. -- Chris Brandt http://pennsylvaniarailroad.net mailto:cobrandt@eclipse.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Chany, Christopher" Subject: RE: [PRR] Train Sim GG-1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:14:51 -0400 A friend of mine uses the Japanese or Chinese electric cab because it looks old however when you look out the side window you see Japanese/Chinese writing. Chris Chany -----Original Message----- From: cobrandt@eclipse.net [mailto:cobrandt@eclipse.net] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:21 PM To: prr-talk@dsop.com Subject: [PRR] Train Sim GG-1 For those of you into Train Sim....... http://www.trainweb.org/columbusrr/clw/ They don't have a cab yet, it uses the Acela cab. The fly-bys are awesome. -- Chris Brandt http://pennsylvaniarailroad.net mailto:cobrandt@eclipse.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:23:04 -0400 Subject: [PRR] PRR Diesel Pictorial Volume Six - EMD and Alco Freight Cab From: Jerry Britton Withers Publishing has released "Pennsylvania Railroad Diesel Locomotive Pictorial, Volume Six: EMD and Alco Freight Cab Units". Unlike its siblings in the series, this book is a whopping 120 pages... of mostly F units!!! More importantly, in reading the Acknowledgements, it is clear that Paul Withers is doing a good job of opening his projects to the public in order to get the content right! If only Barnard Roberts & Co., Morning Sun Books, and other publishers would do the same! A few of our listers are among the credits: Greg Martin, Dan Cupper, and Bill Volkmer. Sorry if I missed any others, but with 500 subscribers it's tough to tell who all is on board! Thank you all for your involvement in the project! ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com For brass collectors... http://www.brasstrains.net Free serving of railroad web sites... http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Al Buchan" Subject: [PRR] RE: PRR-Talk 2002 Convention Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:30:18 -0400 Fellow PRR fans - Yes Jerry has hit the nail on the head. Things are moving well in planning for the 2002 annual meeting. I gave a preliminary report in the August e-NEWS (the PRRT&HS official monthly newsletter) and a further update during the 25 August quarterly board meeting. I will do a more comprehensive follow up in the October e-NEWS. I am skipping posting anything specific about the meeting agenda in the September e-NEWS as it will contain a comprehensive report on the August board meeting. I wanted to get the word out on the program as early as possible to give folks a sufficient amount of time to have a chance to be able to plan their attendance. Lots of things are happening and I am pleased that we have the e-NEWS venue in which to report them and keep you all abreast of the administrative comings and goings of our Society. If you are not a subscriber of e-NEWS yet I advise you to become one. Simply send a blank message to: PRRTHSe-NEWS-subscribe@yahoogroups.com The September edition with news of the August board meeting will be released on the normal distribution date, the third Friday of the month - 21 September 2001. Al -Editor e-NEWS and 2002 Program Chairman ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:36:27 -0400 Subject: [PRR] Re: Operations Suspended or Limited in Northeast From: Jerry Britton Due to the terrorism in New York and Washington, NS has suspended service (former PRR/Conrail lines). See official release below. On 9/11/01 1:18 PM, NS.Service.Alert@nscorp.com (NS.Service.Alert@nscorp.com) wrote: > Norfolk Southern Service Alert > > Operations Suspended or Limited in Northeast > > September 11, 2001 > > In cooperation with local and federal authorities and agencies, Norfolk > Southern has temporarily suspended operations in the North Jersey shared > asset area. Operations are also suspended or very limited along most of > the northeastern corridor, including Washington, Baltimore, > Philadelphia, New York, Newark and the Delmarva Peninsula. Customers > with traffic moving from, to, or through these areas should expect > delays. > > Norfolk Southern continues to monitor its operations in this region and > will provide updates as necessary. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com For brass collectors... http://www.brasstrains.net Free serving of railroad web sites... http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:23:46 EDT From: LINESWEST@aol.com Subject: Re: [PRR] Wow - Dayton Xenia & Belpre/Little Miami Rick Tipton wrote: Tom, You continue to astound me, as I hadn't picked up on the DX&B being the B&O Wellston subdivision predecessor east/southeast of Xenia. Rightly or wrongly, I associate DX&B with the PRR's 16-mile line between Xenia and Dayton. That would certainly explain why the B&O track ran along the south boundary of the PRR Xenia station property, and broke southeast at the PRR freight house in the direction of Washington Court House. Did this line to Washington Court House line up well with the PRR/DX&B? alignment coming in from Dayton and Trebein? Obviously, at one time it would have - the Dayton line had quite a curve to get it behind the passenger station (old or "new") and to its connection with the Little Miami's "C&X" line from Xenia to Columbus. The Wellston Sub ran east from the PRR's (eventually PO&D) Cincinnati, Lebanon & Northern (originally Dayton, Lebanon & Cincinnati RR & Terminal Co.) about half mile south of Clement Tower and yard on the PRR/Panhandle Dayton-Xenia Mainline at the top of the greater than one percent grade climbing out of the Great MIami River floodplain between Dutoit Street and Smithville Road. (Originally Clement was a helper track). The B&O and Pnahandle lines converged at Zimmerman in the heart of what today is the city of Beavercreek. from Zimmerman to east of Kilkare (now a race track but orignally a picnic grove known as Lucas Grove and then an amusement park carrying the KilKare name) just east of Trebein's and "Three bridges" (so calledbecause of the three side by side spans carrying the Panhandle, B&O Wellston Sub and the Dayton & Xenia Electric Railway Co. ( a traction line) across the LIttle MIami River between Trebein's and Alpha. At Kilkare a grade separation begins so that by Hawkins' Road on the eastern edge of KilKare park the B&O crossed the country road via a short span through girder span of less than 50' in length. This made for terrible visibiliity for northbound traffic turning off of Dayton-Xenia Road that would pass through the narrow bridge opening and then cross a heavily traveled class one mainline (that carried 23 named passenger trains in 1947. (Ineed. this was the scenario of the last fatal car-train crash on the old Panandle mainline in 1983. East of this dangerous grade crossing, both lines diverged slightly as the curved south. The B&O Wellston sub geenrally followed the west bank of Shawnee Creek between Towler Road and West Maket Street. Ērossing West Main and West Second Streets approximately two blocks west of the Panhandle main, the Wellston Sub crossed Bellbrook Avenue and then, in Xenia's lesser know section of street trackage, followed Charles Street through its curve to the east, across Cincininati Avenue to its crossing of the Panhandle Columbus-Cincinnati main at MIami Street that was guarded by XW Tower (Xenia West). The B&O then ran e-w on the southern edge of thre PRR yard and station tracks on a slightly descending grade between South West Street and South Detroit Street (US 68) so that it crossed Detroit Street on a grade crossing about a half block south of the Panhandle viaduct over Detroit Street. The B&O freight House and separate passenger station stood east of Detroit Street justy west of the point where the two lines sharply diverged (Panhandle NE to Columbus, B&O SE toward Jamestown & Washington Court House). I've not been able to ascertain Wellston Sub's route in Fayette County so the only comment I can make is that the Wellston subdivision was built shortly after the PRR acquired the completed by bankrupt Cincinnati & Muskingum Valley in 1869 as a stick (competing route from Trinway to Cincinnati known as the Zanesville branch) as leverage in its hostile 1869 takeover olf the Little Miami RR Co. Tom V. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:14:21 -0400 From: Stephen S Bartlett Subject: [PRR] Re: Train Sim GG-1 I just downloaded it - it looks good, but I would change the modern flashing rear end marker to the more traditional marker lamps on the corner posts.. Steve Bartlet Subject: Train Sim GG-1 From: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:21:18 +400 For those of you into Train Sim....... http://www.trainweb.org/columbusrr/clw/ They don't have a cab yet, it uses the Acela cab. The fly-bys are awesome. -- Chris Brandt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:57:28 +1000 From: "Mick Molloy" Subject: [PRR] Terrorism in America Dear Friends, It was with shock and a mounting horror that I witnessed the wanton destruction of lives and property in Lower Manhattan last night, our time. (Aust EST) I went to work this morning feeling absolutely numb. I work in the CBD (downtown) in Melbourne, Australia. I have never seen this city so quiet on a weekday. The people were there, as usual, but seemed to move almost in silence. The sense of shock, and unspoken sympathy, has permeated all corners of Melbourne. Our prayers and thoughts are with America today. God Bless you all, Mick Molloy Pennsy Australia's No:1 SPF ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:37:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Geoffrey Van Dooren Subject: Re: [PRR] Terrorism in America Fellow listers, I visited NYC 2 months ago and the first things I saw during the landing at JFK were the Twin Towers. A few days later I was standing under them looking up and thinking about the unlimited possibilities there are in the USA. Now nothing is left of them and I shocked me and the Belgium people . Over here in Belgium there is only one topic on the streets, the papers and the extra news editions. Some rescue crews are now flying from Belgium to NYC or DC. Our sympathy is with you today and in the days to come. Geoffrey Van Dooren Belgium --- Mick Molloy wrote: > Dear Friends, > > It was with shock and a mounting horror that I > witnessed the wanton destruction of lives and > property > in Lower Manhattan last night, our time. (Aust EST) > > I went to work this morning feeling absolutely numb. > I work in the CBD (downtown) in Melbourne, > Australia. > I have never seen this city so quiet on a weekday. > The people were there, as usual, but seemed to move > almost in silence. > The sense of shock, and unspoken sympathy, has > permeated all corners of Melbourne. > > Our prayers and thoughts are with America today. > > God Bless you all, > > Mick Molloy > Pennsy > Australia's No:1 SPF > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: L1sDRIVER@webtv.net (Mark Lehman) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] Long distance tender Just viewed a video " Middle Division" PRR steam in the 40's and 50's. It showed a few K4's equipped with Long distance tenders. Does anyone know if any K4's with Long distance tenders saw service on the Pittsburgh Div.? Of what type of tender is this? Looks like the same one one the M1's.Yes, no, maybe?-Mark L ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [PRR] Long distance tender Mark, Click here: http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/page2.html This is a photo file of the 10 K4's that had them. You will see several that was caught on film in Pittsburgh....Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s, G5s and T1 WEB PAGES>>> PRR Loco Pics: http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com & http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html and...... PRR Pics, Memorabilia and Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: L1sDRIVER@webtv.net (Mark Lehman) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] PRR red steam turbine Met a life time resident of Sidman, Pa last weekend.He told me that he remembers that sometime in the mid to late 1940's the Pennsy ran a steam turbine on the South Fork Branch. He told me it made a unique sound and was painted red. Anyone have a clue what loco he could be talking about? Mark L ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:37:51 -0500 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] Long distance tender > Just viewed a video " Middle Division" PRR steam in the 40's and 50's. >It showed a few K4's equipped with Long distance tenders. Does anyone >know if any K4's with Long distance tenders saw service on the >Pittsburgh Div.? Of what type of tender is this? Looks like the same one >one the M1's.Yes, no, maybe?-Mark L Mark, Well, it depends, as there was more than one class of "long distance" or "coast to coast" tender. As I posted back in June, 1999: >Gary Mittner provided photo documentation for each of the 10 K4 >locomotives originally equipped with these tenders (1930's) Gary!>. I have listed that info below for your perusal. It was my casual >understanding from a passing reference in the Keystone that six of these >tenders were 21,000 gallons and four were 25,000 gallons. The photo >evidence appears to bear that out. Hopefully, I will be adding links to >these photos in the tender pages shortly. Please correct as you see fit. > >#3772, 250P75, riveted >#5341, 210P75, riveted >#5365, 210P75, riveted >#5385, 210P75, riveted >#5422, 210P75, riveted >#5432, 210P75, riveted >#5442, 210P75, riveted >#5453, 250P75, riveted * very first K4 to have one attached >#5493, 250P75, welded >#5495, 250P75, riveted Subsequently, the welded 250P75 appears to have been assigned to an M-1, #6940 and one of the riveted 250P75's was converted to a 250F82 and assigned to an I-1 as depicted in an HO Railworks release a few years ago (also seen in one of the Pennsy Power books. The riveted 210P75 is the same tender as applied to the M1. Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Steve Hoxie" Subject: Re: [PRR] Long distance tender Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:55:27 -0500 Hi Bruce--You wrote, in part: > > The riveted 210P75 is the same tender as applied to the M1. > I would like to amend your statement to read-- "The riveted 210F75 is the same tender class as applied to the M1a when built." Amazing as it sounds, the M1 originally had the relatively small 110P75. Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:38:37 -0500 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] Long distance tender Steve scriveth: >Hi Bruce--You wrote, in part: > >> >> The riveted 210P75 is the same tender as applied to the M1. >> >I would like to amend your statement to read-- >"The riveted 210F75 is the same tender class as applied to the M1a when >built." Since Steve is my source for much of what I know of these tenders, I plead nolo contendre ...I meant that "M1" to be generic (ie M1, M1a and M1b) since I believe that at least one member of each of those classes at one time or another hauled a 210F75. I'm not sure I did mess up on the "P" vs "F" designation, at least some of the 21,000 gallon tenders were painted in the passenger scheme leading me to think that they were originally 210P75. I need to go back to a few PRR forms to double check! Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Steve Hoxie" Subject: Re: [PRR] Long distance tender Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:56:55 -0500 Bruce--Right you are. In the fifties you could find any class of the large tenders on I1s, I1sa, M1, M1a, and M1b. Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:32:50 -0400 Subject: [PRR] New Patriotic PRR Art From: Jerry Britton I've applied some of my restless energy over this week's events and composited two images to create a patriotic PRR image which is now on the main page of "Keystone Crossings"... http://kc.pennsyrr.com I hope you like it. Comments? ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com For brass collectors... http://www.brasstrains.net Free serving of railroad web sites... http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Chany, Christopher" Subject: RE: [PRR] New Patriotic PRR Art Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:00:50 -0400 I like it! Though it is interesting to think about how in the 40's we equated pollution (the smoke belching from the steel mills)with industrial might! Chris Chany PS Thanks to the kind words from our listers in Belgium and Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Britton [mailto:jerry@pennsyrr.com] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:33 PM To: PRR-Talk LIST Subject: [PRR] New Patriotic PRR Art I've applied some of my restless energy over this week's events and composited two images to create a patriotic PRR image which is now on the main page of "Keystone Crossings"... http://kc.pennsyrr.com I hope you like it. Comments? ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com For brass collectors... http://www.brasstrains.net Free serving of railroad web sites... http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:30:04 -0400 Subject: [PRR] Patriotic Art -- Background From: Jerry Britton Some of our newer/less-studied -- absolutely no insult intended -- subscribers aren't picking up on the significance of the "patriotic art" (http://kc.pennsyrr.com) I mentioned a few moments ago. For many years, the PRR had a "calendar program" through which they commissioned a painter -- notably Grif Teller -- to paint an image to grace the wall calendars they gave out to customers each year. During the World War II era, a few painters other than Mr. Teller were involved. In 1943, Dean Cornwell painted "Serving the Nation", which featured a super-sized Uncle Sam pointing the way for PRR convoys of tanks and supplies heading toward ports to support the Allies. This painting was the basis for my new art. I removed portions of the sky and superimposed it over the NYC skyline. The implication, of couse, is that the events of this week have "awakened a sleeping giant" as the Japanese found out in WWII. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of the "PRR-Talk" mailing list! http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products... http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com For brass collectors... http://www.brasstrains.net Free serving of railroad web sites... http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:17:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Geoffrey Van Dooren Subject: [PRR] Friday September 14, 2001 Today was a day of mourning for 800 million peole in Europe and in the countries of the European Board. Here follows what happened in Belgium -until December 31 chairman of the European union. At 11.59.50 am sirens started shrieking. At 12.00 pm Belgium came to a stop. Every train and tram came to a full stop no matter what there location was. In factories, schools, malls, stores, on the streets,... peolpe stopped working or shopping and held 3 minutes of silence and serenity. At Brussels national airport there was silence and no activity. In the European heart of Brussels all offices were closed, officials, the prime minister, ministers and pedestrians were standing on the sidewalks in silence while traffic stopped. Radio and television stations didn't broadcast except for these images showing that we Europeans are standing behind you and that we feel what you feel. At 12.04 pm the 4 biggest radio stations in Belgium all played Imagine from John Lennon while television showed people giving hands and forming a line walking back to their offices. These images were verry emotional. September 11, 2001 didn't just change the US, it changed the whole world forever. Those 3 minutes are maybe not much but they had a bigger impact than words can do. On this moment 93 Belgium residents -who were near or in the WTC- are still missing. God bless you all. Geoffrey Van Dooren Belgium ===== __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: zootowerprr@webtv.net (Dave Hopson PRR/ Penn Central Art) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] Wires Still Up in old Thorndale Yard. Tommorrow, I'll be out on the ex-PRR main at Thorndale and Downingtown on the P&T Branch taking what I hope to be the "before" pictures of the Norfolk Southern (BNSF?) freight route. I need a break from the horror in NYC. I just need to go out there and remember my youth and think of the GG-1s,E33s,E44s, open autoracks, 40ft boxcars, TOFC with those drop frame trailers. Sitting at Whitford looking up at the massive flyover brings back a lot of memories. Dave Hopson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Subject: [PRR] N & W Photos Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 09:52:34 -0400 Hi All, I am about 1/2 way through the N & W photos I mentioned last week http://worf.cc.vt.edu/cgi-bin/imagebase/pub_browse?collection_id=ns&place=0 There is some incredible stuff to see. I came across this back head shot that made me say (out loud) "what the.....?" http://scholar2.lib.vt.edu/imagebase_new/norfolksouthern/full/ns1007.jpeg Now you can say it too. There were a few PRR photos as previously mentioned. They are worth surfing through especially if you have a cable modem. If not, you can judge what the page has pretty quickly by the titles which load first. I would like to ask the technologically gifted on the list the following: Why do these photos have Jpeg in the address and the image properties, but when I "save picture as" they save as a bitmap? Can they somehow be converted to a Jpeg or a Tif file ? Please reply to billlane@snip.net Thanks Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "pgrace" Subject: [PRR] Tuesday Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 15:55:46 +0100 Like many in the UK, I watched with horror as the enormity of the attack on New York, Washington and Pittsburgh slowly sank in. I can only express my condolences and pray for the bereaved. As Geoffrey described for Belgium the UK fell silent for 3 minutes at 11am as a mark of respect. This was followed by the Queen leading a service of remberance at St. Paul's Cathedral. As far as I know the UK has some 500 of its citizens still missing in New York and is praying for the families of those who are missing of bereaved. Patrick Grace England ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 09:52:34 -0400 Subject: [PRR-FAX] N & W Photos Hi All, I am about 1/2 way through the N & W photos I mentioned last week http://worf.cc.vt.edu/cgi-bin/imagebase/pub_browse?collection_id=ns&place=0 There is some incredible stuff to see. I came across this back head shot that made me say (out loud) "what the.....?" http://scholar2.lib.vt.edu/imagebase_new/norfolksouthern/full/ns1007.jpeg Now you can say it too. There were a few PRR photos as previously mentioned. They are worth surfing through especially if you have a cable modem. If not, you can judge what the page has pretty quickly by the titles which load first. I would like to ask the technologically gifted on the list the following: Why do these photos have Jpeg in the address and the image properties, but when I "save picture as" they save as a bitmap? Can they somehow be converted to a Jpeg or a Tif file ? Please reply to billlane@snip.net Thanks Bill ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/raYplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. To unsubscribe, simply send a blank email to = PRR-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: L1sDRIVER@webtv.net (Mark Lehman) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] Crew Cars According to the NYNH&H Fall 1953 Train Consist book, The New Haven and Pennsylvania Railroads had two runs using through "crew" cars (between Boston, Mass. and Washington, D.C. using a NH crew car, and between Pittsburgh, Pa. and New Haven, Conn. using a PRR crew car). Can one assume (a dangerous word) that these "crew" cars were passenger-equipped (NH NE-2 and PRR N-5) cabooses/cabin cars? They were clearly identified as "Crew" cars, not "rider" coaches. ---Mark L--- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gregg Mahlkov" Subject: Re: [PRR] Crew Cars Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:12:04 -0400 Mark, Since Bowser sells N5 models in both PRR and NH with additional lettering for Railway Express Agency, I think that might be a fair assumption. Gregg Mahlkov ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Lehman" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 5:38 PM Subject: [PRR] Crew Cars > > According to the NYNH&H Fall 1953 Train Consist book, The New Haven and > Pennsylvania Railroads had two runs using through "crew" cars (between > Boston, Mass. and Washington, D.C. using a NH crew car, and between > Pittsburgh, Pa. and New Haven, Conn. using a PRR crew car). Can one > assume (a dangerous word) that these "crew" cars were passenger-equipped > (NH NE-2 and PRR N-5) cabooses/cabin cars? They were clearly identified > as "Crew" cars, not "rider" coaches. ---Mark L--- > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Brian J Carlson" Subject: [PRR] PRR Freight Car Trucks Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:44:03 -0400 I purchased one of the Tichy G30 kits a few months ago, and I was wondering if the trucks included in the kit are correct. According to Rob's site PRR G30 362844 was delivered with 2E-F19 Barrett-Whitehead trucks. I checked Richard Burg's article in the June 1993 issue of Model Railroading, but he only covered 50 Ton trucks. Does anyone know if the trucks supplied with the kit are 2E-F19, and if not where I can get a pair of the correct trucks. Thanks for any help. Brian J Carlson Cheektowaga NY ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Brian J Carlson" Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR Freight Car Trucks Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:33:21 -0400 I made a mistake the article on PRR Freight Car Trucks is by Martin Lofton, not Richard Burg. Sorry Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian J Carlson" To: "PRR Talk" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:44 PM Subject: [PRR] PRR Freight Car Trucks > I purchased one of the Tichy G30 kits a few months ago, and I was wondering > if the trucks included in the kit are correct. According to Rob's site PRR > G30 362844 was delivered with 2E-F19 Barrett-Whitehead trucks. I checked > Richard Burg's article in the June 1993 issue of Model Railroading, but he > only covered 50 Ton trucks. Does anyone know if the trucks supplied with the > kit are 2E-F19, and if not where I can get a pair of the correct trucks. > Thanks for any help. > > Brian J Carlson > Cheektowaga NY > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: zootowerprr@webtv.net (Dave Hopson PRR/ Penn Central Art) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] Wires Still up in Thorndale Yard. Hello List. I went over to Thorndale Pa. to take photos of the catenary in the yard. I also got photos of THORN tower and the interlocking. Then I went to Whitford to take some photos of the 373ft. truss bridge and get some photos of the old P&T Branch right of way. All of the catenary poles are still in place. All of the wood planks and ties have been removed from the Whitford bridge so now you can't walk across it. I will post the pictures as soon as possible. Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: L1sDRIVER@webtv.net (Mark Lehman) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 08:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] L1 generator location Greetings, While I'm waiting for kitbashing material for my K4 coast to coast tender I decided to get started on one of my GHQ L1's. In researching the details I've noticed the L1's had their generators in different spots. either on top of the smokebox or on the front. What is the reasoning of the different generator locations? Were these locos built by different manufactures thus the different locations? which was the more prominent location?----Mark--- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: L1sDRIVER@webtv.net (Mark Lehman) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] L1s generator Thanks for the info Bill. Were there any other 1947 L1s changes to consider? One photo I have shows a top view of the firebox. There are 3 round devices mounted on top of the firebox just forward of the cab roof. They almost look like coffee cans with over large lids. Any clue? ------------Mark---------- Bill wrote: What you are seeing is the results of a 1947 change that was done to virtually all PRR steam locomotives. The headlight and generator were swapped in position, and a chin plate added to the front of the smokebox resulting in the much-maligned "beauty treatment". The rationalle for this was the fact that as labor costs increased after the war, as well as an increased emphasis on saftey it was thought that it was too difficult to service the generator in it's old location atop the smokebox. So, in order to make servicing easier and then less expensive...remember in 1947 the diesel was begining to make it's full-scale appearance on the road, with it's resultant lower maintenance costs which caused the PRR to realize exactly how expensive it was to maintain a steam locomotive. Most locomotives were altered...a few (including a long-time L1s at Renovo) escaped the swap and retained their headlight as built. Bill Daniels (Mark Lehman) wrote:   Greetings, While I'm waiting for kitbashing material for my K4 coast to coast tender I decided to get started on one of my GHQ L1's. In researching the details I've noticed the L1's had their generators in different spots. either on top of the smokebox or on the front. What is the reasoning of the different generator locations? Were these locos built by different manufactures thus the different locations? which was the more prominent location?----Mark--- ---------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with this list, please visit http://lists.dsop.com. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gregg Mahlkov" Subject: Fw: [PRR] L1 generator location Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:21:00 -0400 ----- Original Message -----