From: Jwgotaskie@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 08:35:04 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Covered hopper painting and lettering In a message dated 12/31/00 12:51:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, TGREGMRTN@aol.com writes: << <> Correct, very light gray with Black Shadowed Keystone and black lettering after Pullman Standard delivered them in early 1954. At least two had their roofs painted black for some reason. >> Pullman Standard had a practice of painting the roofs and ends (of boxcars) black. This is why the 20 X-48's where originally painted this way. Just in case you wanted to know. Joe ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: VVA249@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:10:15 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] H10 Tenders << Didn't Sunset (Samhogsa) import back in the early 1980's a series of O Scale PRR H Class Locos? >> Sunset did an H-8 or 9, along with an E-6 and a G-5, during that time period. I owned all 3, but their "Rubber Band" Drive was underpowered, at best, and the had a tendancy to shed parts. My E-6, in particular, was very poorly put together. I was almost pleased by the H class until I saw the Key versions of the H-8, 9 & 10, which came out at the end of the decade - then sold the Sunsets for whatever l could get to buy the Key. If you'd be interested in an "O" scale 2 rail, factory painted, H-8 or H-10, (I skipped the H-9 as it had the post-war generator location) contact me "off-list" and maybe we could make a deal. Dick Ross, Cleveland. >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Greg Johnson" Subject: [PRR] PRR RailCommand Equipment For Sale Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:08:44 -0600 I have some RailCommad equipment for sale. The list includes: command station, 3 auxiliary power stations, remote command center and four throttles. I also have 11 PRR locomotives with RailCommand receivers installed for sale. Please contact me off list if you are interested. Regards, Greg Johnson Friendswood, TX gregj@hal-pc.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Steve Hoxie" Subject: [PRR] Fw: RE: [PRR-Modeling] F Diaphragms Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:47:37 -0600 Happy New Year! I caught this on another list. Another big surprise in Pennsy Dieseldom. I for one have labored over these--in HO--and am proud of the way they look. Now it seems all that work is for naught. Can anyone add anything here? Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL > --- In PRR-Modeling@egroups.com, "Al Buchan" wrote: > I had always thought the PRR F units came w/o diaphragms - but > because I > spent most of my field time in the MW department I wasn't 100% sure. > So I > posed the question to my good friend Bob Watson who was in the > Mechanical > Department. Below is his answer substantiated by Mechanical gurus > Carl Korn > and Dave Sweetland. I was correct after all. Enjoy > > Al > ============================ > Hi Al; > Happy New Year!!! > I do not recall any PRR road units with diaphragms, but as my contact > with > the early units lies in the dim distant past, I checked with CA Korn > & Dave > Sweetland. CAK thought that the BP1s (BH50s, nee BP60s) might have > had them > for a while. But DRS says that only the first road power purchased > was so > equipped; i.e. the E7s. Apparently the first several units of that > order > came equipped with diaphragms - at least the 5900A & B, and 5901A, and > probably a few more. Then there was a fire within their first six > months of > service, and the they were banished ever after. So the freight units > that > came later did not have diaphragms. Thus spake the Keystone oracles! > Let me > know if you learn otherwise. > RBW > ============================= > Al Buchan wrote: > > Bob, When the PRR received their F units did they come equipped with > diaphragms and if so about when were they removed? > > Al > --- End forwarded message --- > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 23:08:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [PRR] Fw: RE: [PRR-Modeling] F Diaphragms Steve, Al, Thanks for the post Al. That is very surprising!. The 3 unit sets of EH-1500's pictured in Pennsy Power 3 appear to have Diaphrams. These are 1948 photos as delivered. Could it be the first batch of all early covered wagons had the diaphrams? Then later, not odered at all? Looks like I may have to remove them from my HO Stewert F3's. On my G Scale Units I am trying to model something that looks like the remnants of the sliding plates. Back to the drawing board....Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s & G5s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 .. http://homepages.go.com/~prrg5 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 23:26:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [PRR] Fw: RE: [PRR-Modeling] F Diaphragms Steve, Al, Thanks for the post Al. That is very surprising!. The 3 unit sets of EH-1500's pictured in Pennsy Power 3 appear to have Diaphrams. These are 1948 photos as delivered. Could it be the first batch of all early covered wagons had the diaphrams? Then later, not odered at all? Looks like I may have to remove them from my HO Stewert F3's. On my G Scale Units I am trying to model something that looks like the remnants of the sliding plates. Back to the drawing board....Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s & G5s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 .. http://homepages.go.com/~prrg5 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:37:31 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Kisala Subject: Re: [PRR] HO Steam Mike, list When I was still living in Maryland, I had a test oval with 22" and 24" curves. I don't own an M1 (yet), but I began breaking in my I1sa chassis (detailing and painting took until last year). The I1sa will run cheerfully on 22" curves; it looks a bit silly doing it. I have a short tender (90F82) on my I1sa, but a 210F82 would stretch the limits of clearances; I had spaced my tracks 2" apart, center to center. I would suggest using 30" curves if possible; the M1 is 5 scale feet longer than the I1sa (thereabouts); without owning a Bowser M1a, I would think that 24" would be a doable radius for the engine and tender, but overhang would be fierce. Doug --- Mike Morrow wrote: > Is anyone on the list running I-1's or M-1's (Bowser > or brass) on 24" > (or thereabouts) radius curves? If so, is the > appearance and operation > acceptable? (I know this is subjective) I'm working > on an Elmira Branch > trackplan, with limited space of course. The > difference between 24" and > 30" radius curves determines whether or not I can > have a peninsula down > the center of the room. Thanks in advance. > > Mike Morrow > PRRT&HS #6703 > The Elmira Branch 1956-57 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at > http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the > message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:55:49 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Kisala Subject: [PRR] More on H10s tenders Gene and the list, Gene, as I understand it, your current tender has the inward sloping Lines West coal bunker. I have in front of me Morning Sun's Pennsy Steam in Color, Volume 2, page 120. It has a shot of H10s 9942 (ex 9729) on 26 October 1953. She's one of the stoker fired H10s engines, and she has what looks like a slightly curved coal bunker. On page 118 of the same book is H10s 8061 (ex 8523), a hand fired H10s on 16 August 1953. She also has a what looks like a slightly curved coal bunker. On page 108 there's a shot of H10s 9989 with yet another curved coal bunker. Perhaps you could excise the Lines West bunker on your current tender and build a new coal bunker; you'd be duplicating PRR practice, and you'd save the effort and expense of an all-new tender. As far as using an H9s tender, I don't think that would fly, prototypically speaking. The H9s class used 70F70 series tenders (even the Lines West H9sc, which used a 70F70c according to the 1948 edition of MP109), while all of the H10s engines used tenders with 81" firing decks. Having said that, I cheerfully run my T1 in Polly Scale's grimy black because I can see it and I like it; sometimes you have to compromise..... Doug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 09:04:45 -0600 From: Larry Reynolds Subject: Re: [PRR] HO Steam Mike: I have four I1's, two PFM's and two Key's. None will track well on 24" r curves. Even if they manage to make it through they slow down drastically. Also, there is the problem of the cab roof hitting the tender and shorting out. Not good! I don't even like to see Decapods on 30" but they'll make it OK. They will traverse a # 6 xover without a problem. Larry Mike Morrow wrote: > Is anyone on the list running I-1's or M-1's (Bowser or brass) on 24" > (or thereabouts) radius curves? If so, is the appearance and operation > acceptable? (I know this is subjective) I'm working on an Elmira Branch > trackplan, with limited space of course. The difference between 24" and > 30" radius curves determines whether or not I can have a peninsula down > the center of the room. Thanks in advance. > > Mike Morrow > PRRT&HS #6703 > The Elmira Branch 1956-57 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ARRJERRY@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:08:35 EST Subject: [PRR] Dynatrol Command Control I have complete Dynatrol systems, all receivers, guaranteed, big discounts, for sale. Please contact me off list for item list. Jerry Schoenberg Carrollton, Texas arrjerry@aol.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: TGREGMRTN@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:21:56 EST Subject: [PRR] Take a glimpse at the EF-15A's Hey Yuze Gize... Athearn has finally posted the scans of the New PRR EF-15A's ( EMD F-7a&b units) on their website: ( http://www.athearn.com/AthearnToday/ATHEARNSUPDATE.HTML) They look great and you will love them. Somewhat spendy you say, well after you have a set of these you will never go back to brass! Greg Martin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:36:37 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Kisala Subject: [PRR] New Kadee 58 couplers Hello list, I have, so far as I know, the first Kadee 58 couplers in Korea. I knew only to expect a smaller knuckle, and I sort of ordered them on a whim. I've been playing with them for the last hour or so, and I like them. The 58 uses the same centering spring and shank that a #5 does; it will fit wherever a 5 will. The coupler is a lot narrower and somewhat shorter than a 5, but it will cheerfully couple with a 5. I have tested a 40 and 50 foot boxcar with the new couplers on a 22" radius, and the 58 couples with a feather touch, just like the 5. The two cars were accidentally mismatched in coupler height, but still coupled very easily; after correcting the height issue, things were still good. I had a little difficulty coupling to Accumate couplers at first. Accumate's knuckle is a bit larger than a Kadee 5, and pushing the Accumate equipped car into the Kadee 58 didn't work. I pushed the Kadee 58 car into the Accumate car, and that worked fine. I haven't tried a Bachmann or McHenry coupling because I don't have any on hand. Please note that I like both companies very much and that this is a statistically tiny sample of two. I suspect that Kadee will probably expand the range of smaller knuckle couplers to include offset shanks in a year or two; this will make the 58 and future siblings very popular. By reading the #58 direction sheet, I found that the 58 uses a #625 spring, while the 5 uses a 622 spring; the sheet says the two knuckle springs can't be interchanged. Kadee includes extra knuckle springs, like they always do, so all is not lost. I'm in no rush to convert my fleet of cars, but I will do things a pack or two at a time (just like my teenage years, when a pack of Kadee 5s or wheelsets was a dearer investment than gold, but all the more appreciated for it). Hopefully Kadee will offer these in a bulk pack soon. Doug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:08:27 -0500 From: Park Varieties Subject: [PRR] Proto 1000 Erie Builts Anyone on the list know of a prototype pic that supports Life-Like making the Erie-Built engine numbers larger than the Pennsy lettering? Frank Brua ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Burnley, Charles" Subject: [PRR] PRR Calendar Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:33:45 -0500 Hey Guys, Need your help! Does anyone have the address of Audio-Visuals Designs from N.Y. They published an all Pennsy calendar for years (I have them all). The original owner passed away, but someone else picked it up and continued publication. My 2000 last page is still hanging there with no way to replace it (I've misplaced all the catalogs, etc). Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Buzz ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:16:43 -0500 From: Andy Miller Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR Calendar Don't know about AVD, but for the last five years I've been getting the Cedco PRR calendar. Its all in color! They can be reached at www.cedco.com and have some back years available. They also make calendars for SP, SF, Canadian trains, and several other RR topic I can't recall off hand. I annually put together a mass order from the members of my model RR club to capitalize on their qty discounts. BTW For those who have the Cedco calendar, I am certain that the caption for June is wrong. It is a beautiful shot of a red 5-stripe GG-1 leading Budd P85h coaches with the Congo paint scheme through Frankford Jct. in 1953. It claims the train is the Admiral; but the Admiral never ran Congo painted Budd equipment. The train must be the Congressional in its earliest years - Red GG-1, Red letterboards, no non-Budd equipment. Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org =================================================== "Burnley, Charles" wrote: > > > Hey Guys, > > Need your help! > Does anyone have the address of Audio-Visuals Designs from N.Y. > They published an all Pennsy calendar for years (I have them all). > The original owner passed away, > but someone else picked it up and continued publication. My 2000 > last page is still > hanging there with no way to replace it (I've misplaced all the > catalogs, etc). > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Buzz > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:42:52 -0600 From: Larry Reynolds Subject: Re: [PRR] Proto 1000 Erie Builts Frank: I haven't noticed this problem but I did notice that the contour of the carboy end profile on the P1K model does not show in any of the PRR photos that I've seen. There is a photo of a UP, (or maybe it was a Milwaukee Road,) prototype in the latest MR that shows this rear indentation, but I cannot see this in any PRR prototype. Also, my brass models are straight to the end as in the prototype photos. I think Lifelike screwed up here. If you can get over this and close couple the units, (they're coupled pretty far apart), they're pretty nice models and run nice. Larry Park Varieties wrote: > Anyone on the list know of a prototype pic that supports Life-Like > making the Erie-Built engine numbers larger than the Pennsy lettering? > > Frank Brua > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:52:49 -0600 From: Larry Reynolds Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR Calendar Buzz: I got mine at J D Whistle Stop in Quakertown, PA. http:/jdwhistle.com My calendar shows Audio Visual Designs at PO Box 977, Herkimer, NY 13350. Larry "Burnley, Charles" wrote: > > Hey Guys, > > Need your help! > Does anyone have the address of Audio-Visuals Designs from N.Y. > They published an all Pennsy calendar for years (I have them all). > The original owner passed away, > but someone else picked it up and continued publication. My 2000 > last page is still > hanging there with no way to replace it (I've misplaced all the > catalogs, etc). > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Buzz > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:51:10 -0600 (CST) From: harperd@tamug.tamu.edu (Don Harper) Subject: [PRR] PRR: Pittsburgh area I've been offline for 10 days - back home to Coraopolis, PA, so I don't know if this has been mentioned while I was gone. One of the adm offices in the Conway yard now has a PRR logo on it. Workers removing the Conrail sign found the PRR sign underneath and Norfolk Southern has decided to leave it. It is easily visible from the road. The building is near the roundhouse, but nearer the river and a bit to the south. For the PC fans in the group there is a PC flat car, #58911, built 3-53, in the wreck train sitting on the siding at Sewickley. With a 1953 build date it may be ex-PRR. Does anyone keep a list of renumberings of freight cars that occurred in the PRR to PC days? Don Harper Texas A&M Marine Lab 5007 Avenue U Galveston, TX 77551 409/740-4540 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:02:18 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] New Kadee 58 couplers PRR List, Ditto Doug Kisala's comments on the new Kadee 58 couplers. Take your favorite piece of rolling stock, hold it up to the prototype photo then exchange the couplers for the Kadee 58 and compare again. The difference is noticeable, especially when you have one train fitted with 58 coupler sitting next to a train with the older knuckle couplers. For those of you into model photography, you will love the difference. Yes, these work fine with other Kadee and Intermountain couplers but have some problem with the other manufacturers' knuckle couplers. The knuckle on these oversized couplers needs to be narrowed a bit then all is well. If you are in the Aurora, Colorado area over Presidents' Day weekend in February there will be good buys on Kadee No. 5 couplers at the train/swap meet at Buckingham Shopping Mall (first table to the south of the Mall's bridged fountain). Several of use in our NMRA chapter modular layout are converting as fast as we can obtain the new couplers. Lo the poor train shop owner -- the coupler hounds are upon him! First it was scrap all of the cars with molded on details for cars with separate details, then it was get rid of the plastic wheel sets for metal ones, now it is dump the "dumpy" couplers for the "good one". What next -- operating air hoses?! The only concern we had was durability but a few unplanned crash tests on the club layout dismissed any questions as to their structural integirty. Evan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Bigler" Subject: Re: [PRR] New Kadee 58 couplers Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:12:31 -0500 How are the new Kadee 58's over rough track or vertical curves (hilltops & bottoms)? Bill Bigler Big Flats NY Modeling PRR Renovo Div. WWII -----Original Message----- From: RDG2124@aol.com To: dougkisala@yahoo.com ; PRR-Talk@dsop.com Date: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [PRR] New Kadee 58 couplers >PRR List, > > Ditto Doug Kisala's comments on the new Kadee 58 couplers. Take your >favorite piece of rolling stock, hold it up to the prototype photo then >exchange the couplers for the Kadee 58 and compare again. The difference is >noticeable, especially when you have one train fitted with 58 coupler sitting >next to a train with the older knuckle couplers. For those of you into model >photography, you will love the difference. > > Yes, these work fine with other Kadee and Intermountain couplers but have >some problem with the other manufacturers' knuckle couplers. The knuckle on >these oversized couplers needs to be narrowed a bit then all is well. > > If you are in the Aurora, Colorado area over Presidents' Day weekend in >February there will be good buys on Kadee No. 5 couplers at the train/swap >meet at Buckingham Shopping Mall (first table to the south of the Mall's >bridged fountain). Several of use in our NMRA chapter modular layout are >converting as fast as we can obtain the new couplers. Lo the poor train shop >owner -- the coupler hounds are upon him! > > First it was scrap all of the cars with molded on details for cars with >separate details, then it was get rid of the plastic wheel sets for metal >ones, now it is dump the "dumpy" couplers for the "good one". What next -- >operating air hoses?! > > The only concern we had was durability but a few unplanned crash tests on >the club layout dismissed any questions as to their structural integirty. > > Evan > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:41:12 EST From: NDBPRR@aol.com Subject: [PRR] HTML Test Just testing to see if I can be active on the list again following AOL's directions to turn off HTML formatting. Thank you Norm Bell ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:06:29 -0500 From: Andy Miller Subject: [PRR] What's Next (was:New Kadee 58 couplers) RDG2124@aol.com wrote in part): > > PRR List, > > First it was scrap all of the cars with molded on details for cars with > separate details, then it was get rid of the plastic wheel sets for metal > ones, now it is dump the "dumpy" couplers for the "good one". What next -- > operating air hoses?! > - Replace your .110 tread wheels with .080 (Reboxx or PSC) - what a difference on cars with visible wheels (hoppers e.g.) -weather - Replace your stirrups with A-Line stirrups (They're as fine as the flimsy plastic ones on I/M, P2K, and RC kits, but they're metal and can stand up to operation) -weather - Replace your plastic Metal roofwalks with Plano metal roofwalks. (This is perhaps the most visible and effective upgrade you can make. The down side is that once you've converted one car all the other look like #*&! So you've got to do them all!) -weather - Put some (even vestigial) rodding under your freight cars. It makes a big difference in profile. -weather -- Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org =================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:24:35 EST From: NDBPRR@aol.com Subject: [PRR] CT1000 and car loadings Now that I have successfully downloaded the list of sidings and industries from Keystone crossings, is there any record of how many cars each siding generated? If so, what is it called and how does one access that information? Thanks, Norm Bell ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Burnley, Charles" Subject: [PRR] PRR Calendar-found!! Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:12:31 -0500 List, Thanks to all of you who responded to my question. You were lifesavers. Thanks again, Buzz ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gregg Mahlkov" Subject: Re: [PRR] CT1000 and car loadings Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:16:36 -0500 Norm:- As a member of the PRR traffic department sales force in the 1960's, I can tell you that what you are asking about was called the "Left-Right Report" and was prepared only prior to travel by a business car over a particular section of track. This was one of the most confidential documents on the PRR, so there are none still around. The sales forces kept traffic figures alphabetically by customer assigned to each salesman on line, which may also have been alphabetized by station in outlying areas (all my customers were in Baltimore on line). Only the big customers records were kept above the individual salesman's level. When this was computerized, only this year and last year were kept, so there are none of these still around either. Gregg Mahlkov ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 12:24 PM Subject: [PRR] CT1000 and car loadings > Now that I have successfully downloaded the list of sidings and industries > from Keystone crossings, is there any record of how many cars each siding > generated? If so, what is it called and how does one access that > information? 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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:49:29 -0400 From: prrbill Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR Calendar Larry Reynolds wrote: > > Buzz: > > I got mine at J D Whistle Stop in Quakertown, PA. http:/jdwhistle.com > > My calendar shows Audio Visual Designs at PO Box 977, Herkimer, NY 13350. > > Larry > > "Burnley, Charles" wrote: > > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > Need your help! > > Does anyone have the address of Audio-Visuals Designs from N.Y. > > They published an all Pennsy calendar for years (I have them all). > > The original owner passed away, > > but someone else picked it up and continued publication. My 2000 > > last page is still > > hanging there with no way to replace it (I've misplaced all the > > catalogs, etc). > > > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Buzz Guys, I saw these calendars on sale in Barnes and Noble last week at half off. I don't know if they're still there but if you're near one..... Bill Morlitz ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "boxcar46" Subject: Re: [PRR] What's Next (was:New Kadee 58 couplers) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:59:15 -0500 No Problem ! By doing all of this to the fleet of freight cars that most of us own, we will shrink the fleet to about 12 cars........But boy will they be nice ! Allot of the modelers out there today loose there direction........ \There is Model Railroading,- (G,S,O,HO,OO,HOn3,N,Z, etc) a hobby done your way, \There is Railroad Modeling,- (Copy the real thing in miniature- this is open to the rivet counters), \and there are us who do a little of everything, because we like to.... ( We enjoy the hobby!) If you are a scale "freak" ....go for it ....But don't tell me that this is the only way to go! Even the mighty PRR had two different scales.......Standard 4'81/2" and Narrow Gauge 36", and maybe some others???? And for every rule the had....there is someplace proof that they broke it ! Hell sometimes it's fun to shake the car out of the box ! And then there are the times when only a Westerfield car will do! Or maybe restoring that real car or engine, is the answer.......Thats the fun of it ! Just my 2 cents ! :>) Bill Knepper PRRT&HS # 1818 (boxcar46@nfdc.net) End of the NCR tracks, New Freedom, Pa. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Miller To: RDG2124@aol.com ; PRR ; The Freightcars List Date: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 12:02 PM Subject: [PRR] What's Next (was:New Kadee 58 couplers) > > >RDG2124@aol.com wrote in part): >> >> PRR List, >> >> First it was scrap all of the cars with molded on details for cars with >> separate details, then it was get rid of the plastic wheel sets for metal >> ones, now it is dump the "dumpy" couplers for the "good one". What next -- >> operating air hoses?! >> > >- Replace your .110 tread wheels with .080 (Reboxx or PSC) - what a >difference on cars with visible wheels (hoppers e.g.) > >-weather > >- Replace your stirrups with A-Line stirrups (They're as fine as the >flimsy plastic ones on I/M, P2K, and RC kits, but they're metal and can >stand up to operation) > >-weather > >- Replace your plastic Metal roofwalks with Plano metal roofwalks. (This >is perhaps the most visible and effective upgrade you can make. The >down side is that once you've converted one car all the other look like >#*&! So you've got to do them all!) > >-weather > >- Put some (even vestigial) rodding under your freight cars. It makes a >big difference in profile. > > >-weather >-- >Regards, > >Andy Miller >asmiller@mitre.org > >=================================================== > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! X-Apparently-From: Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:35:14 -0500 From: Garry Spear Subject: [PRR] PRR Pullman Heavyweight Parlor and Sleeper Cars AT: http://www.prrths.com/GSPEAR_PRR_Pullman.htm my list of PRR Pullman Heavyweight (PRR Standard Weight) Parlor and Sleeper cars is available in Adobe PDF format. This lists the sleeper and parlor cars. Not included are the WWII coach and combine conversion cars. Garry Spear _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:46:01 -0500 From: Andy Miller Subject: [PRR] Re: [PCL] PRR Pullman Heavyweight Parlor and Sleeper Cars Garry, Let me join in what deserves to be a great outpouring of praise for your efforts. You have certainly performed an outstanding service to the Society and the entire community of PRR passenger car devotees. Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org =================================================== Garry Spear wrote: > > AT: http://www.prrths.com/GSPEAR_PRR_Pullman.htm > > my list of PRR Pullman Heavyweight (PRR Standard Weight) Parlor and Sleeper > cars is available in Adobe PDF format. > > This lists the sleeper and parlor cars. Not included are the WWII coach > and combine conversion cars. > > Garry Spear ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:57:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [PRR] PRR Photo info? Hi List, While going thru a box of photos today I come across 2 pics I forgot I had. These are 8X10 B/W's. On the back it states these are : PHOTO BY SAFETY DEPT. EASTERN DIVISION-PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD. Here are the pics. They are large files. http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4s/j1dis.JPG and http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4s/j1dis2.JPG The first photo is of J1 2-10-4 6408. Second photo is same loco with 2 important looking men posing with the loco. The location is Wellsville, Ohio. Atleast that is what is written in pencil on the back. The photos appear to be some kind of open house, circa late 40's?. There is an ND Cabin on display as well. Can anyone add additional info on this event? and the 2 men in the photo? Thanks, Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s & G5s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 .. http://homepages.go.com/~prrg5 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Chany, Christopher" Subject: [PRR] Query PAM Sound Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:19:11 -0500 Does anyone know a source of repair for a PFM Sound System. I have a Westside M1 that has a unit in it.(PRR content) My friend has a layout with the system but it needs to be repaired. I would love to hear my M1 on his layout. Reply off list unless there is interest. Chris Chany ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Bigler" Subject: [PRR] Elmira Branch Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:46:43 -0500 Sometime back one of the list members posted information about track charts for the Elmira Branch on a website, but I can't find it. Seems to me it may have been Roy Breon or Mark Bej but at my age that could be way off! Also, I'm looking for track diagrams for the local trackage, yards, street trackage, industries, etc. in Williamsport proper. I have plenty of information on Newberry Yard. TIA Bill Bigler Big Flats NY Modeling PRR Renovo Div. WWII ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: JONS6755@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:03:28 EST Subject: [PRR] NY&LB Steam List, Does anyone know the date of the last revenue steam run on the New York & Long Branch RR ? Also ( for extra credit :-) ) Can anyone tell me the road # of the K4 used ? This really would be a big help ! ! Thank You Jon S. PRRT&HS #3079 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:22:52 -0600 From: Larry Reynolds Subject: Re: [PRR] Query PAM Sound Chris: Contact Bob Longnecker blong@isomedia.com Bob invented the PFM system and now makes the Foreground System for Bill Peter of PBL. If Bob no longer gets involved with repairs, I'm sure he can point you in the right direction. Larry "Chany, Christopher" wrote: > Does anyone know a source of repair for a PFM Sound System. I have a > Westside M1 that has a unit in it.(PRR content) My friend has a layout with > the system but it needs to be repaired. I would love to hear my M1 on his > layout. Reply off list unless there is interest. > > Chris Chany > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:49:39 EST From: NDBPRR@aol.com Subject: [PRR] IHC GG1 Does anybody know if the IHC GG1 that Walthers has on sale this onth is the sinlge motor version or the dual version? Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:23:28 -0600 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] IHC GG1 >Does anybody know if the IHC GG1 that Walthers has on sale this on th is the >sinlge motor version or the dual version? Thanks. All "new" IHC Premier GG-1s are the double motor variety, so that is what Walthers is selling - you just have to watch out for the shadier mail order houses who may have ancient stockpiles...I did find it interesting that only the "fantasy" schemes were labeled Premier on the Walthers site, and the descriptions simply said "upgraded version". But why buy Walthers @ $79.99 when our very own listmeister will supply you, gay-run-teeed genuine, new off the assembly line, two motor, Premier series IHC GG-1s for $69.99! (or less if he's in a discounting mood, which, given that you've forgotten his side business, he may not be in...but its worth a shot ) Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Steve Hoxie" Subject: Re: [PRR] NY&LB Steam Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:23:23 -0600 Jon--Last revenue run: November 4, 1957, a northbound train pulled by K4sa 612. Source: "The Unique New York & Long Branch" by Don Wood, photo caption page 164. Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:37:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [PRR] NY&LB Steam Jon, It may have been K4 5351. That is the last K4 to see regular service anywhere. It was Nov of 1957. The NY&LB was the last stand for K4s so this may be what you are after. K4 612 seen fan trips out that way too I believe, but I think it was before fall of '57. Need to dig for that info....Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s & G5s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 .. http://homepages.go.com/~prrg5 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Doug Day" Subject: [PRR] Pennsy "War Emergency" hoppers. Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:43:21 -0500 List: A firend of mine has some undec PRR war emergency hoppers. Was wondering if anybody had photos and/or lettering diagrams for them that you could email to me. I'd like to do 'em up right. Doug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:05:17 -0600 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] Pennsy "War Emergency" hoppers. >List: > >A firend of mine has some undec PRR war emergency hoppers. Was wondering if >anybody had photos and/or lettering diagrams for them that you could email >to me. I'd like to do 'em up right. > >Doug Hi Doug, Fresh from John Teichmoeller's (sp?) book, I know to ask...who made these "PRR war emergency hoppers"? AFAIK, the only ones available are brass? If these are those...then are the sides wood or metal (affects the subclass)? The description of the class (H31 my very bad memory says) in the book is excellent! Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:26:12 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] NY&LB Steam In a message dated 1/5/01 12:44:13 PM Central Standard Time, mittner@webtv.net writes: << It may have been K4 5351. That is the last K4 to see regular service anywhere. It was Nov of 1957. The NY&LB was the last stand for K4s so this may be what you are after. >> That was Pemberton to Camden, NJ on November 12, 1957, according to PRR Color Pictorial Vol. 2. Bob Zoeller0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:30:24 EST Subject: [PRR] NY&LB Steam PRR List, MARK I VIDEO's made a tape on the NY & LB. Lots of Pennsy steam & some diesels plus a little of the CNJ passenger runs. Mark I Videos lists their phone number 1-800-66-MARK1 and address P.O.Box 404, New Milford, NJ 07646 You K-4 fanciers will be thoroughly satisfied! Evan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Sam Vastano" Subject: [PRR] PRR files Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 19:45:46 -0500 Group, Just started my Bowser E6 Atlantic kit and my files are starting to get gummed up from the casting, I have done a few kits now and the files keep getting worse is there any way to clean them. I was going to wire wheel them but didn't know if that would destroy them. Or am I better off going abuying a new set? I know this is quite a stretch for the PRR board but it is a PRR kit. Thanks Sam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Roy Breon" Subject: Re: [PRR] Elmira branch Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:09:51 -0500 Bill, it was me. Here is a section of the December 22, 1999 message that you refer to. "To Mike Morrow and Peter Reingold who recently inquired about the branch --- My information says that it was called the Elmira branch. The mainline ran from Newberry Jct. to Stanley NY. There it split into the Sodus Bay Secondary which ran up to Sodus Point NY, and the Canandaigua Lake Branch which ran to Canandiagua NY. Interestingly, a while back I was able to acquire copies of all the track charts from someone - probably from this list. The cover says PRR Central Region, Northern Division, Susquehanna District, Elmira Branch. I posted copies of all of them on http://www.idrive.com Go into my storage area "roybreon" as a visitor and select the Elmira Branch folder. In that are about fifteen tiff files of all the sections of the branch. They can be downloaded. You can contact me directly if you have a problem. Maybe others on this list, more knowledgeable than I, can comment on the "makeup" of the Branch." Since that time, the site has been modified by I-Drive. A more direct link is: https://www.idrive.com/roybreon/files/Shared/Elmira_Branch_Maps/ I have never seen any track maps of the Williamsport or Newberry Yard area. I grew up in Williamsport so I remember some of the routes. What information do you have on Newberry Yards?? Roy Breon Pittsford, NY roybreon@netzero.net -----Original Message----- From: Bill Bigler To: PRR-Talk Posting Date: Friday, January 05, 2001 11:50 AM Subject: [PRR] Elmira Branch >Sometime back one of the list members posted information about track charts >for the Elmira Branch on a website, but I can't find it. Seems to me it may >have been Roy Breon or Mark Bej but at my age that could be way off! > >Also, I'm looking for track diagrams for the local trackage, yards, street >trackage, industries, etc. in Williamsport proper. I have plenty of >information on Newberry Yard. > >TIA > >Bill Bigler >Big Flats NY >Modeling PRR Renovo Div. 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The images are approximately 27 megs each, so 25 images can fit on 1 disc. I can also print 8 x 10 photos from my ALPS MD-5000 in Dye Sublimation mode for $5.00 per image. The resolution of the MD-5000 must be seen to be believed. I am always looking to buy either original PRR Builders photos or good quality copies. Trades of copies may also be considered. Please reply to billlane@snip.net if you are interested. Thank you Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Greg Johnson" Subject: [PRR] Change of email address Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:41:43 -0600 Jerry, I have a new home email address. How do I change it on the PRR talk list?It also needs to be changed on my Allegheny Terminal page. old- gregj@hal-pc.org NEW- greg1950@swbell.net Thanks, Greg Johnson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:07:54 -0800 (PST) From: robert netzlof Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR files --- Sam Vastano wrote: > Group, > > Just started my Bowser E6 Atlantic kit and my files > are starting to get > gummed up from the casting, I have done a few kits > now and the files keep > getting worse is there any way to clean them. I was > going to wire wheel them > but didn't know if that would destroy them. Or am I > better off going > abuying a new set? I know this is quite a stretch > for the PRR board but it > is a PRR kit. For what it's worth, I read years ago that rubbing a file with French chalk or soapstone before filing soft metal will help keep the teeth from clogging. As to wire brushing the files, what do you have to lose? They're so plugged up now that you're considering replacing them, so if the wire brush ruins them (which I suspect it will not) you'll just have to replace them. ===== Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:19:41 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Kisala Subject: Re: [PRR] NY&LB Steam last runs Jon, list, NYLB perennials K4sa 612 and K4s 830 did the last runs on 4 November 1957. On 12 November 1957, K4s 5351 made the last PRR K4s revenue run ever on a Pemberton-Camden run. According to Carleton, 5379 was fired up in December to supply steam to an online customer, but she ran by herself (and therefore doesn't count as a revenue run). Doug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Benjamin Frank Hom" Subject: Re: [PRR] Pennsy "War Emergency" hoppers. Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 23:07:03 -0800 Doug Day asked: A friend of mine has some undec PRR war emergency hoppers. Was wondering if anybody had photos and/or lettering diagrams for them that you could email to me. I'd like to do 'em up right. Bruce Smith added: Fresh from John Teichmoeller's (sp?) book, I know to ask...who made these "PRR war emergency hoppers"? AFAIK, the only ones available are brass? If these are those...then are the sides wood or metal (affects the subclass)? The description of the class (H31 my very bad memory says) in the book is excellent! Undec PRR War Emergency hoppers - if you're talking about the new Life-Like Proto 1000 War Emergency hopper, the car does not match any PRR prototype. The Life-Like car (as well as the Athearn composite car) is a model of an AAR standard War Emergency Hopper. The main difference between this design and the PRR War Emergency cars (Class H31b, rebuilt with steel sides after the War to Class H31c) is that the AAR design cars had hat section braces with sides 11 boards high, while the PRR cars had Z-section braces with sides 8 boards high. If you want to "do 'em up right", you have two options: 1) Replace the hat section braces with Z-section braces. This still only yields an approximate model of the prototype, as the sides are still too high (11 boards vice 8). IMHO, this is a lot of work for a class of cars numbering only 500. 2) Finish the cars for a railroad that had these cars (VGN, ACL, CofGa, Clinchfield, GM&O, C&O, B&O, LV, AA, WAB, IC, IT, ATSF, CB&Q, and SOU). The road names most useful for a Pennsy layout would be LV, B&O, C&O, and WAB. (Hopper cars did not travel as far from the home road as boxcars did; as a general rule, if you're looking for foreign road hoppers for your layout, ones from direct connections would be your first choice, followed by cars from the same region.) More information on the PRR cars can be found in John Teichmoeller's "Pennsylvania Railroad Steel Open Hopper Cars - A Guide for Enthusiasts"; information on the AAR cars can be found in "50 ton War Emergency Composite Hopper" by Robert Hundman, Mainline Modeler, January 1997. Ben Hom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: TGREGMRTN@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 03:37:50 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Pennsy "War Emergency" hoppers. Ben and all, Ben wrote: << Undec PRR War Emergency hoppers - if you're talking about the new Life-Like Proto 1000 War Emergency hopper, the car does not match any PRR prototype. The Life-Like car (as well as the Athearn composite car) is a model of an AAR standard War Emergency Hopper.>> Correct, but the actually there is more dissimilarities between the two cars than similarities. <> The amount of boards used on the side sheathing is not the big difference and the Round edged flanged channels (REFC or hat braces) are a rather easy fix, but here are some major problems ... the cars are two different lengths PRR = 32'-9" AAR/WE= 33'-11-¾", the slope sheet are different angle because the truck centers are different PRR= 22'-9" AAR= 24' and then there is the issue that the top boards were the side sheathing meet he top core slope in on the ARR/WE car not so with the PRR car. And there are numerous other issues... <> Scrap the idea of using the LL-P2K or the Athearn car and look to the Mantua car. It have been some time since I checked the drawing to this kit but as I recall it was much closer. If you want to make a composite then you might consider the Mantua car lightly scribing the butt-joints where the boards meet. 2) Finish the cars for a railroad that had these cars (VGN, ACL, CofGa, Clinchfield, GM&O, C&O, B&O, LV, AA, WAB, IC, IT, ATSF, CB&Q, and SOU). The road names most useful for a Pennsy layout would be LV, B&O, C&O, and WAB. (Hopper cars did not travel as far from the home road as boxcars did; as a general rule, if you're looking for foreign road hoppers for your layout, ones from direct connections would be your first choice, followed by cars from the same region.) More information on the PRR cars can be found in John Teichmoeller's "Pennsylvania Railroad Steel Open Hopper Cars - A Guide for Enthusiasts"; information on the AAR cars can be found in "50 ton War Emergency Composite Hopper" by Robert Hundman, Mainline Modeler, January 1997.>> Now this is a good start, make it a foreign road car on the PRR via interchange and reciprocal switch agreements. Greg Martin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 08:24:14 -0500 From: Park Varieties Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR files Wire brushing files will not destroy their usefullness. Frank Brua Sam Vastano wrote: > Group, > > Just started my Bowser E6 Atlantic kit and my files are starting to get > gummed up from the casting, I have done a few kits now and the files keep > getting worse is there any way to clean them. I was going to wire wheel them > but didn't know if that would destroy them. Or am I better off going > abuying a new set? I know this is quite a stretch for the PRR board but it > is a PRR kit. > > Thanks > > Sam > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 11:05:37 -0500 From: ours Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR files There is a specific tool designed for cleaning files, it is called a file card. Looks like a wire brush but the wires are only about a 1/4 inch, most cards are 1.5" wide and 3" long. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: AlbertSR@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:18:12 EST Subject: [PRR] Check out OurTrainRoom_Home Hi List I have written a small program with the express purpose of calculating grades for the Helix. If any of you are interested in it, I have set it up on a web page for download It runs on P.C.'s, is less than 300k. It does require Windows 95 or 98. This program can be put in any directory, makes no changes to your system except to take up <300k of space. I made it to be used with a mouse to make it fail proof , I think. I have had several friends try it out and they like it. Feel free to share it with your friends. You will need to create a shortcut to the program. My way of giving back. I can be contacted at: AlbertSr@aol.com Click on the link below to go to the web page for downloading the program. Enjoy!! Click here: OurTrainRoom_Home ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Randy Williamson" Subject: Re: [PRR] Elmira branch Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:48:40 -0600 Hi Guys, Right now looking through a box of track charts I have, I have found a track chart labeled `Retirement of Newberry Yard Tracks & Industrial Tracks in Williamsport. It is dated 10/27/70. I will keep digging through the box to see what else I can find. Regards, Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Breon" To: "PRR-Talk" Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] Elmira branch > Bill, it was me. Here is a section of the December 22, 1999 message that > you refer to. > > "To Mike Morrow and Peter Reingold who recently inquired about the > branch --- > My information says that it was called the Elmira branch. The mainline ran > from Newberry Jct. to Stanley NY. There it split into the Sodus Bay > Secondary which ran up to Sodus Point NY, and the Canandaigua Lake Branch > which ran to Canandiagua NY. Interestingly, a while back I was able to > acquire copies of all the track charts from someone - probably from this > list. The cover says PRR Central Region, Northern Division, Susquehanna > District, Elmira Branch. I posted copies of all of them on > http://www.idrive.com Go into my storage area "roybreon" as a visitor > and select the Elmira Branch folder. In that are about fifteen tiff files > of all the sections of the branch. They can be downloaded. You can contact > me directly if you have a problem. > > Maybe others on this list, more knowledgeable than I, can comment on the > "makeup" of the Branch." > > > Since that time, the site has been modified by I-Drive. A more direct link > is: > > https://www.idrive.com/roybreon/files/Shared/Elmira_Branch_Maps/ > > I have never seen any track maps of the Williamsport or Newberry Yard area. > I grew up in Williamsport so I remember some of the routes. What > information do you have on Newberry Yards?? > > Roy Breon > Pittsford, NY > roybreon@netzero.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Bigler > To: PRR-Talk Posting > Date: Friday, January 05, 2001 11:50 AM > Subject: [PRR] Elmira Branch > > > >Sometime back one of the list members posted information about track charts > >for the Elmira Branch on a website, but I can't find it. Seems to me it > may > >have been Roy Breon or Mark Bej but at my age that could be way off! > > > >Also, I'm looking for track diagrams for the local trackage, yards, street > >trackage, industries, etc. in Williamsport proper. I have plenty of > >information on Newberry Yard. > > > >TIA > > > >Bill Bigler > >Big Flats NY > >Modeling PRR Renovo Div. WWII > > > > > > > Shop Safely Online Without a Credit Card > http://www.rocketcash.com > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:42:29 -0500 Subject: [PRR-FAX] PRR Buliders Photos HI All, I am offering the following PRR Builders Photos for sale that are scanned at 600 DPI, saved in TIF format, cleaned up in Photoshop and burned to a CD for $2.00 per image. (Minimum of 5 please) They are all scanned from first generation PRR photos. Please follow the link to my collection. You must have Excel to read it. http://users.snip.net/~billlane/PRRphotos.xls The photos that are CURRENTLY available have "yes" in the "Scanned" column all the way to the right of the spreadsheet. The images are approximately 27 megs each, so 25 images can fit on 1 disc. I can also print 8 x 10 photos from my ALPS MD-5000 in Dye Sublimation mode for $5.00 per image. The resolution of the MD-5000 must be seen to be believed. I am always looking to buy either original PRR Builders photos or good quality copies. Trades of copies may also be considered. Please reply to billlane@snip.net if you are interested. Thank you Bill "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Don Murphy" Subject: [PRR] Lorenzen 100f85 tender Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:06:09 -0500 X-Apparently-From: Dmurp670@cs.com Greetings! Last week I bought a Cary/Bowser N1s on Ebay. The tender on the auction page looked like the Gem H-10 tender that was sold separately at the time for this engine. When disassembling it for stripping today I found an etched plate attached to the underside of the tender deck that states: "Penn. RR tender 100f85 Jan A. Lorenzen" Does anyone know the history of this tender? Was it a kit or custom built? Was Jan Lorenzen a custom builder? Is her the owner of Locomotive Workshop in NJ? Has anyone else ever seen one of these? BTW, the tender looks great!. Thanks. Don Murphy a.k.a. Dr. Steam Custom Painting since 1985 ----- Original Message ----- From: "PRR-Talk" To: "PRR-Talk" Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 1:10 AM Subject: PRR-Talk Digest - 01/06/01 PRR-Talk Digest - Saturday, January 6, 2001 Query PAM Sound by "Chany, Christopher" Elmira Branch by "Bill Bigler" NY&LB Steam by Re: [PRR] Query PAM Sound by "Larry Reynolds" IHC GG1 by Re: [PRR] IHC GG1 by "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Re: [PRR] NY&LB Steam by "Steve Hoxie" Re: [PRR] NY&LB Steam by "Gary Mittner" Pennsy "War Emergency" hoppers. by "Doug Day" Re: [PRR] Pennsy "War Emergency" hoppers. by "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Re: [PRR] NY&LB Steam by NY&LB Steam by PRR files by "Sam Vastano" Re: [PRR] Elmira branch by "Roy Breon" PRR Buliders Photos by "Bill Lane" Change of email address by "Greg Johnson" Re: [PRR] PRR files by "robert netzlof" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Query PAM Sound From: "Chany, Christopher" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:19:11 -0500 Does anyone know a source of repair for a PFM Sound System. I have a Westside M1 that has a unit in it.(PRR content) My friend has a layout with the system but it needs to be repaired. I would love to hear my M1 on his layout. Reply off list unless there is interest. Chris Chany ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Elmira Branch From: "Bill Bigler" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:46:43 -0500 Sometime back one of the list members posted information about track charts for the Elmira Branch on a website, but I can't find it. Seems to me it may have been Roy Breon or Mark Bej but at my age that could be way off! Also, I'm looking for track diagrams for the local trackage, yards, street trackage, industries, etc. in Williamsport proper. I have plenty of information on Newberry Yard. TIA Bill Bigler Big Flats NY Modeling PRR Renovo Div. WWII ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: NY&LB Steam From: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:03:28 EST List, Does anyone know the date of the last revenue steam run on the New York & Long Branch RR ? Also ( for extra credit :-) ) Can anyone tell me the road # of the K4 used ? This really would be a big help ! ! Thank You Jon S. PRRT&HS #3079 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [PRR] Query PAM Sound From: "Larry Reynolds" Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:22:52 -0600 Chris: Contact Bob Longnecker blong@isomedia.com Bob invented the PFM system and now makes the Foreground System for Bill Peter of PBL. If Bob no longer gets involved with repairs, I'm sure he can point you in the right direction. Larry "Chany, Christopher" wrote: > Does anyone know a source of repair for a PFM Sound System. I have a > Westside M1 that has a unit in it.(PRR content) My friend has a layout with > the system but it needs to be repaired. I would love to hear my M1 on his > layout. Reply off list unless there is interest. > > Chris Chany > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: IHC GG1 From: Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:49:39 EST Does anybody know if the IHC GG1 that Walthers has on sale this onth is the sinlge motor version or the dual version? Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [PRR] IHC GG1 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:23:28 -0600 >Does anybody know if the IHC GG1 that Walthers has on sale this on th is the >sinlge motor version or the dual version? Thanks. All "new" IHC Premier GG-1s are the double motor variety, so that is what Walthers is selling - you just have to watch out for the shadier mail order houses who may have ancient stockpiles...I did find it interesting that only the "fantasy" schemes were labeled Premier on the Walthers site, and the descriptions simply said "upgraded version". But why buy Walthers @ $79.99 when our very own listmeister will supply you, gay-run-teeed genuine, new off the assembly line, two motor, Premier series IHC GG-1s for $69.99! (or less if he's in a discounting mood, which, given that you've forgotten his side business, he may not be in...but its worth a shot ) Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [PRR] NY&LB Steam From: "Steve Hoxie" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:23:23 -0600 Jon--Last revenue run: November 4, 1957, a northbound train pulled by K4sa 612. Source: "The Unique New York & Long Branch" by Don Wood, photo caption page 164. Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [PRR] NY&LB Steam From: "Gary Mittner" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:37:56 -0500 (EST) Jon, It may have been K4 5351. That is the last K4 to see regular service anywhere. It was Nov of 1957. The NY&LB was the last stand for K4s so this may be what you are after. K4 612 seen fan trips out that way too I believe, but I think it was before fall of '57. Need to dig for that info....Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s & G5s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 .. http://homepages.go.com/~prrg5 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Pennsy "War Emergency" hoppers. From: "Doug Day" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:43:21 -0500 List: A firend of mine has some undec PRR war emergency hoppers. Was wondering if anybody had photos and/or lettering diagrams for them that you could email to me. I'd like to do 'em up right. Doug ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [PRR] Pennsy "War Emergency" hoppers. From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:05:17 -0600 >List: > >A firend of mine has some undec PRR war emergency hoppers. Was wondering if >anybody had photos and/or lettering diagrams for them that you could email >to me. I'd like to do 'em up right. > >Doug Hi Doug, Fresh from John Teichmoeller's (sp?) book, I know to ask...who made these "PRR war emergency hoppers"? AFAIK, the only ones available are brass? If these are those...then are the sides wood or metal (affects the subclass)? The description of the class (H31 my very bad memory says) in the book is excellent! Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [PRR] NY&LB Steam From: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:26:12 EST In a message dated 1/5/01 12:44:13 PM Central Standard Time, mittner@webtv.net writes: << It may have been K4 5351. That is the last K4 to see regular service anywhere. It was Nov of 1957. The NY&LB was the last stand for K4s so this may be what you are after. >> That was Pemberton to Camden, NJ on November 12, 1957, according to PRR Color Pictorial Vol. 2. Bob Zoeller0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: NY&LB Steam From: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:30:24 EST PRR List, MARK I VIDEO's made a tape on the NY & LB. Lots of Pennsy steam & some diesels plus a little of the CNJ passenger runs. Mark I Videos lists their phone number 1-800-66-MARK1 and address P.O.Box 404, New Milford, NJ 07646 You K-4 fanciers will be thoroughly satisfied! Evan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: PRR files From: "Sam Vastano" Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 19:45:46 -0500 Group, Just started my Bowser E6 Atlantic kit and my files are starting to get gummed up from the casting, I have done a few kits now and the files keep getting worse is there any way to clean them. I was going to wire wheel them but didn't know if that would destroy them. Or am I better off going abuying a new set? I know this is quite a stretch for the PRR board but it is a PRR kit. Thanks Sam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [PRR] Elmira branch From: "Roy Breon" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:09:51 -0500 Bill, it was me. Here is a section of the December 22, 1999 message that you refer to. "To Mike Morrow and Peter Reingold who recently inquired about the branch --- My information says that it was called the Elmira branch. The mainline ran from Newberry Jct. to Stanley NY. There it split into the Sodus Bay Secondary which ran up to Sodus Point NY, and the Canandaigua Lake Branch which ran to Canandiagua NY. Interestingly, a while back I was able to acquire copies of all the track charts from someone - probably from this list. The cover says PRR Central Region, Northern Division, Susquehanna District, Elmira Branch. I posted copies of all of them on http://www.idrive.com Go into my storage area "roybreon" as a visitor and select the Elmira Branch folder. In that are about fifteen tiff files of all the sections of the branch. They can be downloaded. You can contact me directly if you have a problem. Maybe others on this list, more knowledgeable than I, can comment on the "makeup" of the Branch." Since that time, the site has been modified by I-Drive. A more direct link is: https://www.idrive.com/roybreon/files/Shared/Elmira_Branch_Maps/ I have never seen any track maps of the Williamsport or Newberry Yard area. I grew up in Williamsport so I remember some of the routes. What information do you have on Newberry Yards?? Roy Breon Pittsford, NY roybreon@netzero.net -----Original Message----- From: Bill Bigler To: PRR-Talk Posting Date: Friday, January 05, 2001 11:50 AM Subject: [PRR] Elmira Branch >Sometime back one of the list members posted information about track charts >for the Elmira Branch on a website, but I can't find it. Seems to me it may >have been Roy Breon or Mark Bej but at my age that could be way off! > >Also, I'm looking for track diagrams for the local trackage, yards, street >trackage, industries, etc. in Williamsport proper. I have plenty of >information on Newberry Yard. > >TIA > >Bill Bigler >Big Flats NY >Modeling PRR Renovo Div. WWII > Shop Safely Online Without a Credit Card http://www.rocketcash.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: PRR Buliders Photos From: "Bill Lane" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:42:29 -0500 HI All, I am offering the following PRR Builders Photos for sale that are scanned at 600 DPI, saved in TIF format, cleaned up in Photoshop and burned to a CD for $2.00 per image. (Minimum of 5 please) They are all scanned from first generation PRR photos. Please follow the link to my collection. You must have Excel to read it. http://users.snip.net/~billlane/PRRphotos.xls The photos that are CURRENTLY available have "yes" in the "Scanned" column all the way to the right of the spreadsheet. The images are approximately 27 megs each, so 25 images can fit on 1 disc. I can also print 8 x 10 photos from my ALPS MD-5000 in Dye Sublimation mode for $5.00 per image. The resolution of the MD-5000 must be seen to be believed. I am always looking to buy either original PRR Builders photos or good quality copies. Trades of copies may also be considered. Please reply to billlane@snip.net if you are interested. Thank you Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Change of email address From: "Greg Johnson" Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:41:43 -0600 Jerry, I have a new home email address. How do I change it on the PRR talk list?It also needs to be changed on my Allegheny Terminal page. old- gregj@hal-pc.org NEW- greg1950@swbell.net Thanks, Greg Johnson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR files From: "robert netzlof" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:07:54 -0800 (PST) --- Sam Vastano wrote: > Group, > > Just started my Bowser E6 Atlantic kit and my files > are starting to get > gummed up from the casting, I have done a few kits > now and the files keep > getting worse is there any way to clean them. I was > going to wire wheel them > but didn't know if that would destroy them. Or am I > better off going > abuying a new set? I know this is quite a stretch > for the PRR board but it > is a PRR kit. For what it's worth, I read years ago that rubbing a file with French chalk or soapstone before filing soft metal will help keep the teeth from clogging. As to wire brushing the files, what do you have to lose? They're so plugged up now that you're considering replacing them, so if the wire brush ruins them (which I suspect it will not) you'll just have to replace them. ===== Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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The tender on the auction page looked like the Gem H-10 tender that was sold separately at the time for this engine. Don, I don't know anything about the Jan A. Lorenzen reference, but this post did prompt me to remember that back in about 1971 I assembled, detailed and painted a Cary/Bowser N1s using a Gem "Lines West" tender for a gentleman in Shiremanstown, PA by the name of Walt Weitzel. I often wonder what became of both the model and Walt. Jerry Breon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Graeme Nitz" Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR files Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:00:35 +1100 There are files designed specifically to file soft metals like white meatal, brass and aluminium (or aluminum for you Americans). I have one which I use regularly and it never clogs up. I would suggest you check a specialist engineering tool store. For Australians on the list try "Clip On Tools" (maybe Klip On). I also have a file designed for "Laminex" which is superb for filing plastic kits, again from a specialist tool store. Graeme Nitz PRRT&HS Member #1313 prr@unite.com.au An Aussie "Slobbering Pennsy Freak" With a touch of Reading. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:34:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [PRR] PRR S1 Hello lists, Last week I made mention on one of these lists, which one I don't recall, about a Historic Piece of Model Railroading equipment I had the opportunity to view one day 4-5 or so years ago. I am not sure how many, if any from these lists, had the chance to visit the World Fair in NY back in 1939-41. On display was the famous PRR S1 6-4-4-6 Duplex. That was one of the highlights of the Railroad displays. But inside one of the Railroad Buildings was a large operating model railroad layout that many of the real Railroads sponsered. On this operating layout was an impressive model of that same PRR S1 Loco that sat outside steaming away on rollers. Someone was contracted to build this model S1. First we thought it may have been Raymond Loewy Industries themselves. But after further research, we found out that E.P. Alexander, famous O Scale modeler was the builder of this model. (I believe I quoted the wrong name, Harry Albrecht, on my first post). If anyone can confirm the builder, please let me know. For 2 years that model chugged its way around the layout. Anyone who knew about this loco?, Anyone wonder what ever happened to it? Well, one day a few years ago I had the opportunity to see it. It still survives to this date. One day someone told me they had it in their possesion, but it was stored away and it would take sometime to dig it out. I told them next I come around have it available to see. Well, it was there on my next visit. Looked impressive for something 60+ years old. It was still lettered just like the real S1 when displayed at the fair. AMERICAN RAILROADS spelled out across the tender. It looks like it was upgraded with Can Motors but still retained the outside 3rd rail pickup shoes. It looks like it was layout ready if one was to operate it. At the time I viewed it it was up for sale. Knowing I couldn't swing it, I didn't ask for the selling price. Too bad, I wish I could have added that historic item to my collection. It did sell eventually. I did take a photo of it the day I viewed it: http://http://homepages.go.com/~prrt1/s1.JPG . It is a large file so I hope it works for any who wish to see it. Anyone with anymore info on this model please be sure to let me know. Anyway, it was nice to see something from Steam's heyday, even if it was in model form......Gary . Come visit my PRR Pages.... 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Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s & G5s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 .. http://homepages.go.com/~prrg5 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "andrew harmantas" Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR files Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 20:22:27 -0500 As to the question about gumming up files from working on a Bowser E6 kit, files will get dull over time. What you might try is a "file card", or a fine wire brush specially made for clearing metal from files. These "cards" are made of steel or brass wire, and, since the metal is not as hard as the hardened steel of the files, the brush will not harm your files. I've also heard that rubbing some chalk on your files, and then filing alloy or steel, will help prevent metal from building up in the teeth of the files. Andrew Harmantas, cleaning files from down near C&O Milepost FM Zero. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! X-eGroups-From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) From: mittner@webtv.net Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:39:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [PRR-FAX] Re: [NE-Rails-and-Signals] PRR S1 List, Dang!!! Messed up the url for the S1 Pic. Hope this works..... http://homepages.go.com/~prrt1/s1.JPG Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s & G5s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 .. http://homepages.go.com/~prrg5 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! X-eGroups-From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) From: mittner@webtv.net Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:34:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [PRR-FAX] PRR S1 Hello lists, Last week I made mention on one of these lists, which one I don't recall, about a Historic Piece of Model Railroading equipment I had the opportunity to view one day 4-5 or so years ago. I am not sure how many, if any from these lists, had the chance to visit the World Fair in NY back in 1939-41. On display was the famous PRR S1 6-4-4-6 Duplex. That was one of the highlights of the Railroad displays. But inside one of the Railroad Buildings was a large operating model railroad layout that many of the real Railroads sponsered. On this operating layout was an impressive model of that same PRR S1 Loco that sat outside steaming away on rollers. Someone was contracted to build this model S1. First we thought it may have been Raymond Loewy Industries themselves. But after further research, we found out that E.P. Alexander, famous O Scale modeler was the builder of this model. (I believe I quoted the wrong name, Harry Albrecht, on my first post). If anyone can confirm the builder, please let me know. For 2 years that model chugged its way around the layout. Anyone who knew about this loco?, Anyone wonder what ever happened to it? Well, one day a few years ago I had the opportunity to see it. It still survives to this date. One day someone told me they had it in their possesion, but it was stored away and it would take sometime to dig it out. I told them next I come around have it available to see. Well, it was there on my next visit. Looked impressive for something 60+ years old. It was still lettered just like the real S1 when displayed at the fair. AMERICAN RAILROADS spelled out across the tender. It looks like it was upgraded with Can Motors but still retained the outside 3rd rail pickup shoes. It looks like it was layout ready if one was to operate it. At the time I viewed it it was up for sale. Knowing I couldn't swing it, I didn't ask for the selling price. Too bad, I wish I could have added that historic item to my collection. It did sell eventually. I did take a photo of it the day I viewed it: http://http://homepages.go.com/~prrt1/s1.JPG . It is a large file so I hope it works for any who wish to see it. Anyone with anymore info on this model please be sure to let me know. Anyway, it was nice to see something from Steam's heyday, even if it was in model form......Gary . Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s & G5s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 .. http://homepages.go.com/~prrg5 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Don Murphy" Subject: Re: [PRR] Lorenzen 100f85 tender Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:38:22 -0500 X-Apparently-From: Dmurp670@cs.com Jerry, I wrote the seller about the history of this model. Here is what he had to say: ----- Original Message ----- From: DAlexa8054@aol.com To: Dmurp670@cs.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Bowser/Cary 2-10-2 it was mine for many years and i got it from an friend who passed away, i have another one on e-bay now that was his and is rare also.item#534924668 which has a long distance tender and other goodies, i worded the auction all wrong but it is a very rare bird also . sorry i can't help you more, dennis ps. i have a lot of strange pcs. i have bought or traded with other guys for over the years so keep watching as i'm going to sell most as my eyesight is getting bad for ho scale. dennis I checked his other auction., It is a detailed Mantua Mike with a vandy tender and a Kemtron all weather cab. As the generation of model railroaders who fought WWII and then built model railroads in the '50s and '60s leave us, I suppose we'll see more and more of these rare non-brass pieces show up at shows and flea markets. It gives me a chance to buy what I didn't have money for as a kid. It's too bad to see them go but our time will come in turn. Don Murphy The Renovo Dispatcher Custom Painter ----- Original Message ----- From: "jbreon" To: "Don Murphy" ; "PRR-Talk" Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] Lorenzen 100f85 tender > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Murphy" > > > Last week I bought a Cary/Bowser N1s on Ebay. The tender on the auction > page looked like the Gem H-10 tender that was sold separately at the time > for this engine. > > Don, > I don't know anything about the Jan A. Lorenzen reference, but this > post did prompt me to remember that back in about 1971 I assembled, detailed > and painted a Cary/Bowser N1s using a Gem "Lines West" tender for a > gentleman in Shiremanstown, PA by the name of Walt Weitzel. I often wonder > what became of both the model and Walt. > Jerry Breon > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:31:20 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Kisala Subject: [PRR] Sam's E6s Sam, list, By now everyone has told you about file cards. Should you happen to be short one, I've found wiping my file with a damp rag is good for getting rid of zinc filings as an expedient (it may cause the file to rust, but I haven't had this happen-yet). Before I went to Korea, I was working on the chassis of a Bowser E6s to power an old Alco Models E5s. Ordinarily, riveting valve gear is pretty fun for me, but I was struggling with the valve gear when I packed things away. All I can say is that for my particular kit, the rivets seemed to be less tolerant of excess pressure than I'm used to for a Bowser kit. You probably already knew about Tom Busack's excellent article on detailing PRR E6s Atlantics in the December 1990 Model Railroader; if you don't have it, get it, as you can detail your E6s as far as you want with the help of this article (I used this article and Ron Strachan's from the 9/78 MR when I built my model of the 460). Bear in mind that Tom Busack modeled engines early in their lives when a fair number still had king sized sand domes (like on the H9s). Depending on the period you're modelling, you may want to check photos (according to Fred Westing in Apex of the Atlantics, some E6s engines kept their large sand domes until retirement; most were changed to a smaller sand dome like that on the K4s class. E6s 460 has this smaller dome) and or compromise. Enjoy your kit and the building experience!!! Doug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: PKMac101@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 22:15:45 EST Subject: [PRR-FAX] Re: [PRR] Re: [NE-Rails-and-Signals] PRR S1 Gary and List. Very impressive model. Picture is somewhat dark and can't see the tender and some other areas clearly. Would be the envy of any modeler regardless of his scale. Pat McKinney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Lane" Subject: [PRR] Excel & my PRR Builders Photos Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 01:27:14 -0500 Hi All, If you don't have Microsoft Excel and were interested in viewing my PRR Builders photos list, you can download a free Excel viewer here. http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/2000/downloadDetails/xlviewer.htm Again, here is the link to my list. http://users.snip.net/~billlane/PRRphotos.xls Thanks Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Sam Vastano" Subject: Re: [PRR] Sam's E6s Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 09:09:35 -0500 Doug, List, Thank you all for responding!!!! I will get a file card. And I will use chalk once I clean them. Doug as for the article in 1990 I will have to get a copy somewhere, List anybody willing to scan it that has it and e-mail me I would greatly appreciate it. A while back we had a discussion on the list about the E6 being too tall. I printed that post and put it in the kit for safe keeping. When I opened the box I saw it there and I will probably cut down the stack to make it right. As for the sand dome I was looking at pictures and I thought I was crazy because the sand dome on the model looked wrong. Then I looked at a roundhouse kit that I have stashed away and the sand dome was the smaller one. So your post clears up that issue also.. Thank you all for now.. I will have more questions later. Sam >From: Doug Kisala >To: PRR talk >Subject: [PRR] Sam's E6s >Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:31:20 -0800 (PST) > >Sam, list, > >By now everyone has told you about file cards. Should >you happen to be short one, I've found wiping my file >with a damp rag is good for getting rid of zinc >filings as an expedient (it may cause the file to >rust, but I haven't had this happen-yet). > >Before I went to Korea, I was working on the chassis >of a Bowser E6s to power an old Alco Models E5s. >Ordinarily, riveting valve gear is pretty fun for me, >but I was struggling with the valve gear when I packed >things away. All I can say is that for my particular >kit, the rivets seemed to be less tolerant of excess >pressure than I'm used to for a Bowser kit. > >You probably already knew about Tom Busack's excellent >article on detailing PRR E6s Atlantics in the December >1990 Model Railroader; if you don't have it, get it, >as you can detail your E6s as far as you want with >the help of this article (I used this article and Ron >Strachan's from the 9/78 MR when I built my model of >the 460). > >Bear in mind that Tom Busack modeled engines early in >their lives when a fair number still had king sized >sand domes (like on the H9s). Depending on the period >you're modelling, you may want to check photos >(according to Fred Westing in Apex of the Atlantics, >some E6s engines kept their large sand domes until >retirement; most were changed to a smaller sand dome >like that on the K4s class. E6s 460 has this smaller >dome) and or compromise. > >Enjoy your kit and the building experience!!! > >Doug > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 13:19:56 -0500 From: Park Varieties Subject: [PRR] MRC F-7's I was looking through my dealer newsletters and noticed that Model Rectifier now offers their HO PRR F-7 with antennas installed. Anybody on the list seen one of these? How do the running qualities compare to P2K, Stewart, etc? Frank Brua ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:56:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR S1 David, Interesting about the S1 being part of the Penn Central Collection. I did not know that. Can we assume that the model was displayed at the PRR Headquarters in Philly after the Worlds Fair til the auction? It may have been PRR Property all along. When I saw it a few years back it was in private ownership. I maybe able to find out where it went to and what the actual selling price was. I will see the fellow who had it next week....Thanks, Gary < original snip> David S. wrote.        Greetings to List:  Gary's photo of the S-1 Model struck a memory chord.  The Horseshoe Curve Chapter NRHS had a bus tour to the PRR "preview" auction conducted by the Penn Central.  Have photo of this S-1 model sitting on the floor among other items to be auctioned.  Acquisition, therefore, occured via the Penn Central auction process March 20-21-22, 1972. David Seidel Altoona,PA Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s & G5s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 .. http://homepages.go.com/~prrg5 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! X-eGroups-From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) From: mittner@webtv.net Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:56:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [PRR-FAX] Re: [PRR] PRR S1 David, Interesting about the S1 being part of the Penn Central Collection. I did not know that. Can we assume that the model was displayed at the PRR Headquarters in Philly after the Worlds Fair til the auction? It may have been PRR Property all along. When I saw it a few years back it was in private ownership. I maybe able to find out where it went to and what the actual selling price was. I will see the fellow who had it next week....Thanks, Gary < original snip> David S. wrote.        Greetings to List:  Gary's photo of the S-1 Model struck a memory chord.  The Horseshoe Curve Chapter NRHS had a bus tour to the PRR "preview" auction conducted by the Penn Central.  Have photo of this S-1 model sitting on the floor among other items to be auctioned.  Acquisition, therefore, occured via the Penn Central auction process March 20-21-22, 1972. David Seidel Altoona,PA Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s & G5s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 .. http://homepages.go.com/~prrg5 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:14:13 -0500 Subject: [PRR] Philadelphia Railfanning From: Jerry Britton Our family will be visiting another family north of Philly this coming weekend. On Saturday, the husband has a work engagement and the girls have ballet. So, the wife asked if there was any place I could take three-year-old Andrew to watch trains. "In Philly? Gee, if I really look into it I suppose I could find someplace!" ZOO came to mind first. I've only seen ZOO from the road that runs behind the Philadelphia ZOO. Ideally, I'm looking for a place where I can park and stay in the car. That keeps Andrew occupied and out of trouble (with the railroad police!). My recollection of the site behind the zoo is that the road is below track level and there is a retaining wall that blocks the view. Is there a better vantage point for ZOO where one can remain in a car? Or is there a better railfanning site in the Philly area where one can watch from a car? --------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of "PRR-Talk" http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com Free serving of railroad web sites http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Andrews, Ted" Subject: [PRR] MRC F-7 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:35:00 -0500 PRR Listers: I have not heard anything if the PRR version will be equipped with trainphone antennas. It would be great if it did. BTW, has this MRC engine been released yet? Has anyone seen one yet in stores? It seems that MRC has been advertising it for eons (usually on the back cover of Model Railroader magazine). Ted ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:15:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [PRR] MRC F-7 List, If I recall correctly, the MRC F7 was talked about on this list earlier. It ranked kinda low on the available F Units on the market. I remember someone saying that it has low detail definition and ugly blobs to represent the trucks. I have seen the undecs at train shows and I agree with the depth of the detailing. It may run very well, I don't know. I am sure it has its place in the hobby since it is one of the first entry level models to come equiped with the DCC. Thats about all I recall.....Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s & G5s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 .. http://homepages.go.com/~prrg5 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:29:33 -0600 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] MRC F-7 Bottom Line, >From discussion on several other lists, don't bother with this model. The detail is poor compared to current offerings. It was designed to sell "trainsets". Happy Rails Bruce >PRR Listers: > >I have not heard anything if the PRR version will be equipped with >trainphone antennas. It would be great if it did. > >BTW, has this MRC engine been released yet? Has anyone seen one yet in >stores? It seems that MRC has been advertising it for eons (usually on the >back cover of Model Railroader magazine). > >Ted > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:25:06 EST From: LINESWEST@aol.com Subject: Re: [PRR] Pennsy "War Emergency" hoppers. Gregerino Martin wrote the following: 2) Finish the cars for a railroad that had these cars (VGN, ACL, CofGa, Clinchfield, GM&O, C&O, B&O, LV, AA, WAB, IC, IT, ATSF, CB&Q, and SOU). The road names most useful for a Pennsy layout would be LV, B&O, C&O, and WAB. (Hopper cars did not travel as far from the home road as boxcars did; as a general rule, if you're looking for foreign road hoppers for your layout, ones from direct connections would be your first choice, followed by cars from the same region.) In Ohio on the Panhandle or Sandusky branch this could also include VGN, AA, & SOU, AA especially on Cincinnati Division to Springfield via Springfield branch at Xenia (pre-1953) or South Charleston (poat 1953) both for interchange with DT&I which operated Ann Arbor as a subsidiary until the Wabash/Norfolk Western deal in 1964. In past discussions, Rick Tipton and I have sp;eculated about strings of VGN, SOU, C&O (and L&N but which did not have the War Emergency Hopper that started this sthread) Moving north via Cincinnati, Xenia, Columbus and Marion form offloading onto lake freighters by the Hewlett auto loaders on the wharf at Sandusky. Again this would be pre-1964 when NW bought the Sanducky branch and thd Sandusky facility. Tom V. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. --------------------