From: "Jeff Knorek" Subject: [PRR] Philadelphia WPA poster Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:05:08 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02CD_01C0377A.179BD400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings to all- While on the way to look for something else I came across this poster, which has what looks to me like art-deco PRR box cars: http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/cph/3f00000/3f05000/3f05600/3f05674v.jpg It is part of the The "By the People, For the People: Posters from the = WPA, 1936-1943" collection of the Prints and Photographs division of the Library of = Congress http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/wpaposters/wpahome.html Jeff Knorek jknorek@msen.com Conrail Detroit Shared Assets Area website: http://www.msen.com/~jknorek/SAA/SAA.htm Lost and Found Railroad Railroad Photographs website: http://www.msen.com/~jknorek/Found/found.htm Today's Random Railroad Image Find: http://www.msen.com/~jknorek/Random/Random.htm New Brighton, PA, PRR Flyover website: http://www.msen.com/~jknorek/Pgh/NewBrighton.htm CSX in Southeast Michigan website: http://members.aol.com/jsundin357/plydiam.html Railroading in Ohio website (still under construction): http://www.msen.com/~jknorek/ohio.htm All the world will be your enemy, Prince of a Thousand Enemies And when they catch you, they will kill you But first they have to catch you... From Richard Adams' _Watership Down_ ------=_NextPart_000_02CD_01C0377A.179BD400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings to all-

While on the way to look for something = else I=20 came

across this poster, which has what = looks to me like=20 art-deco

PRR box cars:

http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/cph/3f00000/3f05000/3f05600/3f05674v.jpg=

It is part of the The "By the People, = For the=20 People: Posters from the WPA, 1936-1943"

collection of the Prints and = Photographs division=20 of the Library of Congress

http://memor= y.loc.gov/ammem/wpaposters/wpahome.html

Jeff Knorek
jknorek@msen.com

Conrail Detroit Shared Assets Area = website:
http://www.msen.com/~jk= norek/SAA/SAA.htm

Lost and Found Railroad Railroad = Photographs=20 website:
http://www.msen.com= /~jknorek/Found/found.htm

Today's Random Railroad Image = Find:
http://www.msen.c= om/~jknorek/Random/Random.htm

New Brighton, PA, PRR Flyover = website:
http://www.msen= .com/~jknorek/Pgh/NewBrighton.htm

CSX in Southeast Michigan = website:
http://members.ao= l.com/jsundin357/plydiam.html

Railroading in Ohio website (still = under=20 construction):
http://www.msen.com/~jknor= ek/ohio.htm

All the world will be your = enemy, Prince of=20 a Thousand Enemies
And when they catch you, they will kill=20 you
But first they have to catch=20 you...
From Richard Adams' = _Watership Down_

------=_NextPart_000_02CD_01C0377A.179BD400-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: CENTGA@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:53:53 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] X-42 sighting!!! Does anyone know if these cars were run in certain areas or did they roam the system? Todd Horton ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [PRR] X-42 sighting!!! Todd, List Not sure these cars worked a particular area or not. I would imagine east-west mainline? For those not familiar with the X-42, it s a 60 ft. Box Car with 2 single doors on each side. The doors are not located in the middle, but 1 door is located about 1/3rd down from the end and the other door is located 1/3rd from the other end. The car was equiped with high speed roller bearing trucks so it could be used on mail (passenger?) trains. The PRR had 10 of these X-42's. Like I said, I was surprised to see one still surviving. There is a picture of 1 in Pennsy Power 3, page 372 bottom. I am sure you can find a pic via Jerry's web page (Rob's site?) too. In model form I believe there were 2 companies that imported them. Oriental Models and Precission Scale? Nothing in plastic. You gotta kitbash it. There may have been a wood kit years ago. I picked up one an X-42 15 years back. It is made of wood. Not sure if it was a kit or a scratch built. Pretty good for $2.00!!! ......Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Greg Stone" Subject: [PRR] X-42 sighting!!! Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 07:41:44 -0700 Did you get any pictures of it? --greg ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Greg Stone" Subject: [PRR] Roundhouses on video Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 07:48:45 -0700 A few weeks ago there was conversation concerning photos of the northumberland roundhouse and crestline roundhouse. I mentioned that there was a video with a good front view of the northumberland roundhouse and turntable but I couldn't remember which one. As it turns out there are several roundhouses in this video including Harrisburg, Crestline, Altoona and Northumberland. The video is all B&W but great steam era shots of the 1930s and 1940s including footage of a rare E5. Some great shots of harrisburgh Jerry! The video is produced by Penn Valley Pictures, titled Steam in the 30's and 40's volume 7. I highly recommend it. It includes film on the building of the T1 at altoona, smoke lifter trials, and almost purely steam and steam era equipment. --Greg Stone PRRT&HS member special interest Renovo Yards ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [PRR] X-42 sighting!!! Greg, I got there at Cooperstown Jct at early evening, about 7:15ish. It was getting pretty dark for pics. I did take a few, hopefully they come out. If they do I will post them on PRR-Talk. If not, someone from north eastern Pa or NY will have to stop by and take pics themselves. This car and the G's are just northeast of Oneonta NY. There is also a round roof Boxcar too. We didn't trek into the weeds and private property to see if it was a PRR relic. Could very well have been an X-31......Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:33:22 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] X-42 sighting!!! In a message dated 10/1/00 8:58:03 AM Central Daylight Time, CENTGA@aol.com writes: << Does anyone know if these cars were run in certain areas or did they roam the system? >> The 10 cars were built for mail storage. I have or have seen photos or videos of them at Harrisburg, Chicago, and Cincinatti. I can't find the height dimensions. The only question I have is whether they were able to go in and out of Penn Station New York. Otherwise no reason I can see that they wouldn't have gone anywhere a mail storage car was needed. My question is whether they were interchanged offline. Seems to me I have seen them in Dallas or some other location, but can't get my personal memory chip to function as to the source. I picked up the brass car at a deep discount years ago and have been debating for years whether to paint it in the builder photograph scheme of tuscan with gold stripes which may or may not have ever been used on one car if ever or the more typical circle keystone of my era. No REA reporting marks that I know of, maybe because they were never used in that service?. Photo I have shows CK with lettering on door "Equipped with stanchions for loading mail". Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: CENTGA@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:10:06 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] X-42 sighting!!! Thanks Gary and Bob for the information. I was just curious as to their use on the railroad. I just bought 3 of these cars off E-bay. They were made by PSC and factory painted. Not the cheapest brass cars I've bought but the really only good model that I've seen of these. 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The first K-4s No. 1737 was shown leased to the Long Island in 1949,Next year its transfered back to the N.Y. div. where it is listed up to 1955,but is gone in 1956. No. 3750 is also so listed,but is still there in 1956. Was 1737 run at all during this time, or was it just stored? It would seem that if the PRR was still using it that it could have been saved. (remember that Pennsy Power I mentions that it was in such bad shape from storage that 3750 was used as its stand-in.) What was the real deal here? Next is H-6sb No. 2846,which today is at Strasburg. Its not listed on any of the M.P.229 forms between 1949 and 1956,yet it was saved. There are other H-6sb listed(not many),but not 2846. So where was it during this time? Northumberland? Saved H-10 no.7688 was on the Delmarva for a couple of years and then it was sent to the Middle div. where it more or less stayed until retirement.I would have guessed that a active engine would still have been listed,unless it was stored with no.s H-3 1187 and E-7 7002(8063). Here are a few other observations on the saved engines. D-16sb No.1223 as is well known was on the Delmarva Div. when selected for preservation. A-5s No.94 was on the Philadelphia Term Div. when selected,which is fitting for its service there. B-6sb No.1670 was on the Pittsburgh Region.(1956) L-1s no. 520 was on the Philadelphia Region.(1956) M-1b No. 6755 was on the Pittsburgh Region(1956) (was on the Middle Div. the year before.) I-1sa no. 4483 was on the Northern Region.(1956) E-6s no 460 is listed on the Atlantic Div.in 1954 but not listed anywhere after that.Where was it? Was it transfered to N.Y.,but not listed or did it go to Northumberland ? As is expected,K-4s no.s 1361 and 3750 are listed on the N.Y. Div and region until 1956. Other oddities... A H-9s no. 1187 is listed on the Maryland div. for many years,then goes to the Phila.Div. I would guess that the PRR kept H-3 no. 1187 rostered differently. Also E-7s no. 7002(nee 8063) is'nt listed also,so i would guess the PRR rostered it differently too. On the N.Y. Div. the A-6 and A-6s is listed as a electric engine,which as we all know was a Altoona built gas-diesel-electric engine(s). Why is it listed as a electric? Only few T-1 classes are listed as late as 1955, Just the year before most of them are listed. There are still many Q-2 class engines listed as late as 1955 (Ft. Wayne div.),but none the next year. I had always thought that steam on the Maryland Div. ended in late 1952-early 1953, but there are engines listed on the Maryland Div. as late as 1956. Were they still active or is this emergency power? Also two I-1sa class engines were in Maryland from 1951 to 1952.(No.s 4250,4631) These would have been the heaviest steam engines to normally operate there. ETT's don't restrict them on the main,but do on many secondary,branch and yard tracks. what were they there for ? At least now i can justify having one on my layout. There were many engines listed as leased out to companies,such as Stauffer Chemical and U.S.Steel.I would guess in boiler service. Also...when the M.P.229 lists engines equipted for Back-up service...what is that? boiler service? running on the head-end in reverse? When studying these M.P.229...one other question i have is this.... are all engines listed supposed to be in active service,or is this just a listing of locomotives on the property ? Have Fun Til Later Hank Mummert ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:16:09 -0400 (EDT) From: bubbles@visi.net Subject: [PRR] One More Question to Ponder Here i go again.... Were ANY PRR steam or early diesel engines ever sold to and Central or South american railroads, such as were done with various PRR passenger and freight equipment? (remember the 1930's Broadway equipment going to Mexico?). Til Later Hank Mummert ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [PRR] One More Question to Ponder Hank, I can only think of 1 steamer going out of the country. This wold be the B6sb that went to Korea. Hmmm, wonder if it is still around? Not sure on diesels, I don't follow them as much.... Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gene Deimling" Subject: FW: [PRR] X-42 sighting!!! Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:35:24 -0700 -----Original Message----- From: Gene Deimling [mailto:endeimling@mindspring.com] Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 8:52 AM To: Bobspf@aol.com Subject: RE: [PRR] X-42 sighting!!! The diagram for this car can be found on Rob Schoenberg's site. It lists the car at 14'6" which is the same height as a B60 baggage car. I would guess that it operated into Penn Station. Gene Deimling -----Original Message----- From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com]On Behalf Of Bobspf@aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 8:33 AM To: prr-talk@dsop.com Subject: Re: [PRR] X-42 sighting!!! In a message dated 10/1/00 8:58:03 AM Central Daylight Time, CENTGA@aol.com writes: << Does anyone know if these cars were run in certain areas or did they roam the system? >> The 10 cars were built for mail storage. I have or have seen photos or videos of them at Harrisburg, Chicago, and Cincinatti. I can't find the height dimensions. The only question I have is whether they were able to go in and out of Penn Station New York. Otherwise no reason I can see that they wouldn't have gone anywhere a mail storage car was needed. My question is whether they were interchanged offline. Seems to me I have seen them in Dallas or some other location, but can't get my personal memory chip to function as to the source. I picked up the brass car at a deep discount years ago and have been debating for years whether to paint it in the builder photograph scheme of tuscan with gold stripes which may or may not have ever been used on one car if ever or the more typical circle keystone of my era. No REA reporting marks that I know of, maybe because they were never used in that service?. Photo I have shows CK with lettering on door "Equipped with stanchions for loading mail". Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] PRR E-8 Sighting!!! Sort of!!! List, Another piece of ex-PRR equipment was viewed on my recent road trip. The same day I saw the X-42 in fact. Out side of Albany, NY (West Side) on Rt 20 near the town of Duanesburg NY is located an E-8. We were travling west on Rt 20 minding our bussiness and BINGO! the front of an EMD unit (with nose lift rings) was viewable to the right while passing a small bussiness. We looked at each other and just had to go back and look this thing over. When we stopped in we noticed it wasn't an F unit like we originally thought but it was an E8. We asked around for the owner and finally made contact with him. Here is the story behind this E8. This fellow purchased the hulk of an E8 from Conrail in 1994. Conrail had removed all the guts. The unit was cut in 2, shipped to this location and is now being rebuilt for display, minus the guts. The owner has 1 truck, the fuel tank and is a whiz at welding. He has welded the superstructure back together. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, this is an E8 minuus 10 ft. A 10 foot section was lost when the unit had its inards removed. The owner is restoring this the best he can. The fuel tank was removed and restored/painted. The framework of the loco sides has been completed and awaits new panels. He is missing the pilot but has tracings to fabricate a new one. Not sure if he is putting in the Port hole windows? Bennett, could you be of help to him? He also needs a headlight ring. When he is finished he plans on having a retail store inside the unit. I believe this will be one good looking item once it is finished. Now, the background on this E-8. It is definitly an ex-PRR unit. The original number is 5762A. When the unit was purchased and delivered from Colony Yards it was still wearing PC paint and lettering. Underneath the paint in the doorway frame is the orginal Tuscan and 5 stripes. Pretty neat! The faded black paint the unit is in now has a definite green tint to it. My guess is this unit was painted when PC came into being and DGLE was used for its coat. Yes I saved a paint chip! I could also be the way Black paint fades over the years too. Once the owner has the completed E8 work done he plans on giving it a new Paint Job. No it won't be painted Pennsy. Remember, this is outside Albany New York. He has decided to paint it NYC Lightning Strpe. Yikes!!!!!!! Work should be done by next year I suppose. So if anyone is up that way, stop in and see it. I took a few photos of it in it's as is shape. Look for them posted in the future....Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:55:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Kisala Subject: Re: [PRR] One More Question to Ponder Hank, list, Hank Mummert wrote, in part --- bubbles@visi.net wrote: > > Were ANY PRR steam...ever sold to and Central or South american railroads.... My copy of Edson's PRR All-Time Steam roster is in storage, but I remember several of the H6b/H6sb listing saying sold to Manchuria in 1939-40 (to the Japanese regime occupying that portion of mainland China). I also recall a R&LHS bulletin article about the H6 and subclasses that stated the same thing. It's not South America, but it's as close as I can recall. Doug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: TGREGMRTN@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 01:31:42 EDT Subject: [PRR] Prototype Modelers meet in FLA.. Folks, If you haven't heard then let me share the new of this event with you. This meet takes place in the warmer winter climate of Florida... A perfect get away for most of us. It offers a good chance to get together and "Talk Shop" and share our modeling together in a "show and tell" setting and attend a clinic or two and learn a bit. So bring your models and travel on down, I think you will like the company... You are all invited... Greg Martin ----------------- Forwarded Message: Subj: [PM-list] Prototype Rails Date: 9/27/00 6:53:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: brockm@brevard.net (Mike Brock) Reply-to: brockm@brevard.net (Mike Brock) To: PROTOTYPEmodeler@egroups.com Prototype Rails continues to grow. We now have 23 clinicians lined up. Without a doubt this will be the most powerful package of clinicians ever assembled in Florida and the South with the possible exception of the Atlanta NMRA National Convention. We plan to have a $100 gift certificate drawing to Colonial Photo & Hobby at the close of both Friday and Saturday night's sessions for those present so please hang around. If you want to learn from some pretty successful modelers, see hundreds of models, talk shop with many of those whose messages you read frequently on the list or just hang out and have fun, Prototype Rails will be the place to be next Jan 12-13. Here is the current status of the meet: Prototype Rails, a railroad prototype modeling meet, will be conducted at the Hilton Hotel, Cocoa Beach, FL [just south of Kennedy Space Center] on Jan 12/13 2001. The theme of the meet is "The Prototype And How To Model It." While emphasis will be placed on bringing models for display and discussion [we are aiming for 500 ], the meet will feature continuous clinics, forums, modular layouts [HO, O, On3, and Sn3 is the goal ], dealers specializing in prototype models, and two visits to prototype modeling layouts. All scales and gauges are welcome. An operating session at one layout prior to the meet is being considered. Pre registration for Prototype Rails will be $25. Registration at the door will be $30. Make checks out to Prototype Rails and mail to Warren Dryden, 65 Dorset Lane, Satellite Beach, FL 32937. For additional information, contact Mike Brock at phone: 321-453-4140 or E Mail: brockm@brevard.net Make your own reservation with the Hilton Hotel at $85. Refer to Prototype Rails when making your reservation. The direct phone number is 321-799-0003. The address is 1550 North Atlantic Avenue [A1A] Cocoa Beach, FL 32931. Prototype Rails Florida will begin with a layout visit to John Wilkes' layout in Winterhaven. The times for this will be announced at a later time but attendees will either meet at John's or proceed by caravan from the Cocoa Beach Hilton at 10 AM on Friday, Jan 12. The visit will terminate no later than 2:30 PM and proceed to the Hilton Hotel at Cocoa Beach. Activities at the hotel will begin approximately at 6 PM Friday, Jan 12 and will continue until 11PM that night. Activities will begin again at 8 AM on Saturday and continue until 11 PM. We are planning a two layout short distance visit Sunday morning although this may also be provided on Sat [Lou Ullian's On3 Coon Creek...see the first Great Model RRs & my Sherman Hill layout http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=300446&a=2323299 ]. The clinic schedule will have only a 1 hr break at lunch and dinner. While no formal meals are planned, we will try to provide some kind of arrangement with the hotel for a lunch and diner on Sat at a group rate so that attendees don't have to spend time trying to locate food in winter season crowded restaurants. More on this later. The meet has 50 rooms blocked for both Friday and Saturday night. After these are gone, the $85 rate will be honored only if rooms are available. Normal rates are $129. Be aware that this meet is being held at the height of the FL tourist season and I assure you that rooms in this area will be scarce at that time. If a Space Shuttle launch is scheduled during this time, rooms will be even more difficult to obtain. Note that there are other Hilton Hotels in the area, one at Satellite Beach, only about 10 miles south of our hotel, so be certain you find our hotel. For those not aware of hotel centered meets such as ours, the cost of meeting rooms is dependent on selling the blocked sleeping rooms. If this meet is successful, I plan to make it an annual affair and try to grow it into a more national attraction. So, I urge you to make your accommodations at our hotel. Current clinics are: 1. Modeling the L&N in Appalachia: John Wilkes [ see Trackside Photos , July MR] 2. Signals, Signal Systems and How to Model Them: Ken Farnham 3. ACL/SAL Passenger Cars: Ron Dettmer [ An ex employee, Ron has detailed information about this equipment] 4. Operations: Bruce Metcalf 5. Rust and how to Model it: Mike Rose [ see Sep/Oct RMC ] 6. Less Than Carload Container Cars and Loads: Al Westerfield 7. St. Louis Refrigerator Beer Reefers and Mail Express: Martin Lofton, Sunshine Models [tentative] 8. Modeling the UP on Sherman Hill: Mike Brock 9. Weathering Diesels and Cars: Jim Six 10. Modern tank cars: Tim Frederick 11. Steam Locomotives: Andy Sperandeo 12. Prototypes for Passenger Car Models: Andy Harmon [ tentative] 13. Appalachian Coal Industry: John Roberts 14: Shay Locomotives: Lou Ullian 15. The Bone Valley :Tom Bissett [CSX engineer] 16. Prototype Track Planning and Practices: Tom Bissett 17. Methods of Modeling Passenger Cars: Joe Oates [Ex CSX employee] 18. Shading and Highlighting, Weathering with Artificial Light: Greg Martin 19. Researching Modern Frt Cars [exact title may change]: David Casdorph 20. Modern Diesels [exact title may change]: Scott Chatfield 21. Modeling Modern Grain Cars [exact title may change]: Ken Edmier 22. Dayna Warner: Detailing buildings 23. Bruce Smith: Steam Locomotive Sound and Operations Current roundtables to be conducted: 1. Modeling diesels: Jim Six,. Mike Rose, Dennis Lippert, Greg Martin 2. Sn3 modeling: Joe Brooke, Art Cominio 3. Operations on John Wilkes' L&N layout: John Wilkes, Tom Wilson, Ed Kasper While the objective of Prototype Rails is to conduct serious model railroading activities, the final goal is always to relax and have fun...which we certainly will do. I hope you will join us. Mike Brock Meet Chairman ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Wayne S. Betty" Subject: [PRR] Conrail Motive Power Review Vol II Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:26:54 -0400 Howdy Walt and list: I don't know if it's true, but I heard it from two different sources, Vol II is not in the works and as far as the sources know was dropped. It is a shame, there is a lot of information in Vol 1. Cos ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Benjamin Frank Hom" Subject: RE: [PRR] Keystones on Diesels and freight cars Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:42:04 -0700 Sanner Burkhard asked: At what date [were] the different keystone variations were introduced: Freight cars - Circle keystone - Shadow keystone - Plain keystone (and black color?) The last order of new hoppers delivered in freight car color were the 1000 Class H35 70 ton triple hoppers in 1955. 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Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Hildenbrand Sgt Joseph L Subject: [PRR] Arbour Model J-1 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:06:45 -0500 During my weekly trip at the hobby shop, I noticed an old Arbour Models PRR J-1 kit. I know nothing about these models, but after searching through the box, I noticed the kit would take a lot more time and skill to put together then a Bowser. The kit was untouched, all pieces were present, and the price is $75. Anybody on this list have any experience with these kits? And is it a good pick up for the price? Thanx in advance for any info. Joe Hildenbrand A T55BS&TS Member ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:47:04 -0700 (PDT) From: robert netzlof Subject: Re: [PRR] Arbour Model J-1 --- Hildenbrand Sgt Joseph L wrote: > During my weekly trip at the hobby shop, I > noticed an old Arbour Models > PRR J-1 kit. > Anybody on this list have any > experience with these kits? Not I. However. I did talk to a fellow who had sold a couple of them. He reported that the soft metal of the castings didn't wear well. That is, side rod holes wore out, axle slots in frame wore out. In his opinion, the demise of Arbour Models was well-deserved. ===== Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:51:06 -0500 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] Arbour Model J-1 >Joe Hildenbrand wrote: > During my weekly trip at the hobby shop, I noticed an old Arbour Models >PRR J-1 kit. I know nothing about these models, but after searching through >the box, I noticed the kit would take a lot more time and skill to put >together then a Bowser. The kit was untouched, all pieces were present, and >the price is $75. Anybody on this list have any experience with these kits? >And is it a good pick up for the price? Thanx in advance for any info. While I have never built one of these models, I have often heard reference made to their "being one step shy of scratchbuilding" . As for being worth &75, well...nobody offers a J-1 in kit form (although Bowser is considering one) and Arbour hasn't made that kit for eons, so it is "collectible"(?). I guess that If I really wanted to build a J-1, and I felt like a project, I'd go for it, but don't expect it to go together easily or without a lot of work on your part! Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Andrews, Ted" Subject: RE: [PRR] Arbour Model J-1 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:02:24 -0400 Joe: I have never owned one or even seen one of these kits, but I have heard nothing but horror stories. I have heard that these Arbour kits are VERY difficult to put together and run satisfactorily. For $75, the kit might be worth buying if you are into collecting kits but you might want to consider a brass unit if you want to get a J-1. Ted Andrews P.S. also, Bowser is in the process in having an overseas manufacturer in producing an J-1; it might be available in a year or so. So you may want to delay in purchasing that J-1 :) -----Original Message----- From: Hildenbrand Sgt Joseph L [mailto:HildenbrandJL@mfr.usmc.mil] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:07 AM To: 'PRR-Talk@dsop.com' Subject: [PRR] Arbour Model J-1 During my weekly trip at the hobby shop, I noticed an old Arbour Models PRR J-1 kit. I know nothing about these models, but after searching through the box, I noticed the kit would take a lot more time and skill to put together then a Bowser. The kit was untouched, all pieces were present, and the price is $75. Anybody on this list have any experience with these kits? And is it a good pick up for the price? Thanx in advance for any info. Joe Hildenbrand A T55BS&TS Member ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 12:52:22 -0400 From: Jason Jaquith Subject: [PRR] Diesel locomotive designations Does anyone have the PRR's diesel locomotive designations posted on line? I was wondering if there was a list that showed both the manufactures name and the Pennsy designation, like GP-7 and EF-15 (if that's what GP-7's were) Thanks. Jason ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: AlbertSR@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:57:54 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Arbour Model J-1 In a message dated 10/02/2000 10:16:25 AM Central Daylight Time, HildenbrandJL@mfr.usmc.mil writes: << During my weekly trip at the hobby shop, I noticed an old Arbour Models PRR J-1 kit. I know nothing about these models, but after searching through the box, I noticed the kit would take a lot more time and skill to put together then a Bowser. The kit was untouched, all pieces were present, and the price is $75. Anybody on this list have any experience with these kits? And is it a good pick up for the price? Thanx in advance for any info. >> Hi Joseph, I guess you could say I have experience with that kit, I've been working on one for years. I'm about half done at this point. I like the kit, but I'm sick, demented and obviously into pain . It will be a challenge to complete, especially the cast metal rods and valve gear. But I love that engine and hope to complete it before I die. If Bowser comes out with one in plastic, I will still finish the kit. By the wat I hear Bowser also picked up the Arbour line. Another area of concern are the plastic drivers with a metal plating. As for buying for $75.00, I'd be hard pressed to justify more than $50.00. But if you like a challenge, go for it. SPF AL in Bolingbrook, IL. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:16:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Diesel locomotive designations From: Jerry Britton On 10/2/00 12:52 PM, Jason Jaquith (jaj165@psu.edu) wrote: > Does anyone have the PRR's diesel locomotive designations posted on > line? I was wondering if there was a list that showed both the > manufactures name and the Pennsy designation, like GP-7 and EF-15 (if > that's what GP-7's were) Thanks. > My site: http://kc.pennsyrr.com/motiveops/diesel_xref.html Also shows the year each first appeared on the PRR, available HO and N scale models, and has active links to the unit rosters for each class. --------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of "PRR-Talk" http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com Free serving of railroad web sites http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:55:11 -0400 From: Drew McGhee Subject: [PRR] Final Count: Hoss's Dinner During Rail Fest Greetings to the group, Dinner reservations have been made at Hoss's for the seven fellow listers who indicated interest in the Dinner on the Saturday night of Rail Fest. As I mentioned, my son and I will be working admissions at the Juniata Shops Saturday morning. Say "Hi." if you would when passing through. Drew R. McGhee Altoona, PA drm6@psu.edu http://www.personal.psu.edu/staff/d/r/drm6/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] K4/Steamtown List, I was finally able to visit Steamtown this past week. It was my first time there and hopefully not the last. Well worth a visit. I took the shop tour and viewed K4s 1361. The Tour guide still says look for it to be finished by Sept 2001. I will be impressed if it is. No work was being done that day. Parts are spread out everywhere. They showed us the Drivers. The tires where machined and are finished but one driver needs a new axle. To see what the K4 looks like now you need to visit one of the websites on the internet that keeps you updated. I have one listed on my K4 website (page 3) that is listed below. Take a look. If anyone has been there, you probably seen a large static model of a K4 in the main lobby. The model maybe 5 foot long or so. Does anyone have info on this? I looked it over and it seems to be made of ABS Plastic of some sort. I suppose it is a commission work for the museum. It is very impressive as is. With some extra attention to detail this thing could be a fantastic model of the K4. I asked the Volunteers that work there if they could tell me more about who supplied it but no one really knew. Being it was made of plastic castings, I am sure the molds are still around to cast another. I would love to have one sitting in the house and over time detail it properly. Please, if anyone knows of the builder or knows someone who may know, please advise me. Thanks, Gary. Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 16:14:14 -0400 From: Dave Pfeiffer Subject: Re: [PRR] One More Question to Ponder Hank, While I haven't looked at it recently, my Dad's 8mm movies have a segment on PRR consolidations (I believe H6's) being loaded on a ship for a voyage to South America. I think they were going to Argentina probably in the late 40's or early 50's. Dave pfeiffer At 01:16 PM 10/1/00 -0400, you wrote: > > Here i go again.... > > Were ANY PRR steam or early diesel engines ever > sold to and Central or South american railroads, > such as were done with various PRR passenger and > freight equipment? (remember the 1930's Broadway > equipment going to Mexico?). > > > Til Later > Hank Mummert > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:11:31 +0200 From: Flo & Steve Smith Subject: [PRR] Re : L1 and L2 info required This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C02C7A.AA34E780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there to the list, I am looking for information on the PRR L1 and L2 classes with respect = to the following : a) Road numbers b) Dates of manufacture c) Approximate dates withdrawn from service d) Operating ranges=20 Thanx in advance=20 Steve Smith sfsmith@iafrica.com ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C02C7A.AA34E780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C02C7A.AA34E780-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: AlbertSR@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:01:12 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] X-42 sighting!!! In a message dated 10/01/2000 9:23:42 AM Central Daylight Time, mittner@webtv.net writes: << In model form I believe there were 2 companies that imported them. Oriental Models and Precission Scale? >> Hi, I have one that I believe was made imported by Alco models. I'll double check next time I have it Out. Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:16:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Kisala Subject: Re: [PRR] Arbour Model J-1 Hello list, I don't have direct experience with Arbour Models. However, Jim Kelly reviewed the similar C&O 2-10-4 in the December 1983 Model Railroader; the review was scathing. The soft metal rods and other parts were a nightmare for him, and his kit was missing several pieces. By contrast, Kelly's review of the Bowser G5s in the August 1984 MR was straightforward, with no major difficulties (exactly what I experienced). I would recommend against the Arbour models PRR J-1. Doug --- Hildenbrand Sgt Joseph L wrote, in part : > I > noticed an old Arbour Models > PRR J-1 kit. Anybody on this list have any experience with these kits? > And is it a good pick up for the price? Thanx in > advance for any info. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:25:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Kisala Subject: Re: [PRR] Re : L1 and L2 info required Hello list, Flo and Steve, as far as road numbers, exact dates of manufacture, and retirement dates go, your best bet is to purchase Edson's PRR All-time steam roster. Edson's address has been posted in the past; I'm away from my address book, so check the archives for starters. The L1s class was built from 1914-1919, and the last were retired in 1958 and 1959 (L1s 559 was the last active road engine for the PRR; she was used to supply steam for an online customer in January 1959; see Carleton's Pennsy Steam: A to T for pictures). Numbers were all over the map, from single digits to high 8000 series. L1s engines were found principally on Lines East, though some did work on Lines West. The L2s class was built in 1918 or 1919 (I hate the fact that my reference books are half a world away right now); they're USRA light mikes built for the GR&I; apparently they spent most of their lives in Ohio. All were retired in 1948. I'm going on memory here; numbers were approximately 9627-9631 for this small class of 5 engines. Doug --- Flo & Steve Smith wrote: > Hi there to the list, > > I am looking for information on the PRR L1 and L2 > classes with respect to the following : > > a) Road numbers > b) Dates of manufacture > c) Approximate dates withdrawn from service > d) Operating ranges > > Thanx in advance > Steve Smith > sfsmith@iafrica.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:04:58 -0400 (EDT) From: chaslett@cse.l-3com.com Subject: [PRR] Altoona Area Maps for Rail Fest Attendees Hello to all, For all listers attending Railfest this year: In past years I have met up with the listers at the entrance to the museum on Saturday morning from 8:45AM to 9:15 or so, for anyone needing "railfan" maps, local directions, etc. I can do the same this year, but I'd like to be sure that there is an interest from those attending and a rough count for the number of maps, etc. So, anyone planning to attend, please e-mail me back at chaslett@cse.L-3Com.com , and let me know if you'll be there. I usually set up shop on the first bench on the sidewalk to the left of the main entrance, which has the big Pennsy keystone overhead on the ironwork. I'll be the one in the Cyber Division shirt and Hollidaysburg Car Shops hat. Carl Haslett ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:44:46 -0400 From: davep Subject: Re: [PRR] K4/Steamtown Gary Mittner wrote, in part: > I was finally able to visit Steamtown this past week. It was my > first time there and hopefully not the last. Well worth a visit. I took > the shop tour and viewed K4s 1361. The Tour guide still says look for it > to be finished by Sept 2001. I will be impressed if it is. Likewise, in late August. I've pix about, somewhere... best dwp ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:55:44 EDT Subject: [PRR] Miracle Castings PRR List, Saw a site that advertised shells for the Baldwin Passenger "Shark". Has anyone use this shell made by Miracle Castings? How is the detail and is there a lot of filling and sanding? Thank you in advance, Evan RCT&HS 346 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "jbreon" Subject: [PRR] X-42 models Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:51:13 -0400 I believe that the only HO scale brass models of the PRR X-42 imported thus far were from The P Company (built by Daeki) and the recent Precision Scale model. Jerry Breon ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] X-42 sighting!!! > In a message dated 10/01/2000 9:23:42 AM Central Daylight Time, > mittner@webtv.net writes: > > << In model form I believe there were 2 companies that imported them. > Oriental Models and Precission Scale? >> > Hi, > > I have one that I believe was made imported by Alco models. I'll double check > next time I have it Out. > Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:01:15 -0400 From: prrbill Subject: [PRR] Dynamometer Car request I've had a request from Walthers concerning a PRR Dynamometer car model they would like to make. If anyone has any information, could you please forward it to Dennis and copy me so I know we've helped him. Thanks, Bill Morlitz PRRT&HS Website Superintendent >I am trying to find information and photos on any dynamometer cars the >PRR may have had starting in the late 1920's. Would you have any >material or sources? >Dennis Pehoski >Wm. K. Walthers, Inc. >New Product Development ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:11:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Dynamometer Car request From: Jerry Britton On 10/3/00 2:01 PM, prrbill (prrbill@Op.Net) wrote: > I've had a request from Walthers concerning a PRR Dynamometer car model > they would like to make. If anyone has any information, could you > please forward it to Dennis and copy me so I know we've helped him. > Interesting request... RailWorks announced several versions of the Sperry Rail Service car in brass. RailWorks then reduced the offering to only one version in brass. Then Walthers announces it in plastic. RailWorks had announced the PRR Dynanometer car in brass. Now they cancelled it. Now Walthers is looking to do it. Hmmm. Got any suggestions for RailWorks to announce/cancel to get Walthers to do it? --------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in N Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of "PRR-Talk" http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com Free serving of railroad web sites http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:25:43 -0500 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] Dynamometer Car request Jerry wrote: >Interesting request... > >RailWorks announced several versions of the Sperry Rail Service car in >brass. RailWorks then reduced the offering to only one version in brass. >Then Walthers announces it in plastic. > >RailWorks had announced the PRR Dynanometer car in brass. Now they cancelled >it. Now Walthers is looking to do it. > >Hmmm. Got any suggestions for RailWorks to announce/cancel to get Walthers >to do it? Hey, Maybe Rail Classics will get on the bandwagon and I can get an affordable fleet of plastic P-5 electrics! Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Steve Hoxie" Subject: [PRR] Contact Bob Holden Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:16:06 -0500 Sorry for the off topic use. Bob, please contact me off list. Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:26:52 -0400 (EDT) From: bubbles@visi.net Subject: Re: [PRR] Dynamometer Car request Jerry wrote: >Interesting request... > >RailWorks announced several versions of the Sperry Rail Service car in >brass. RailWorks then reduced the offering to only one version in brass. >Then Walthers announces it in plastic. > >RailWorks had announced the PRR Dynanometer car in brass. Now they cancelled >it. Now Walthers is looking to do it. > >Hmmm. Got any suggestions for RailWorks to announce/cancel to get Walthers >to do it? Then Bruce Smith wrote..... Hey, Maybe Rail Classics will get on the bandwagon and I can get an affordable fleet of plastic P-5 electrics! I second the motion. Til Later Hank Mummert ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] PRR E-8 List, Just viewed the updated restoration photos of Ex-PRR Ex-Conrail now PRR (again) E-8 that are posted on the PRRT&HS homepage. My Goodness!, what a couple months work can do. You got to see it. Congrats go out to Bennett and his gang for bringing this loco back to life. The single stripe version was a wise decission. Looks Good. Bennett, what are you going to drive to the next convention?......Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Steve Hoxie" Subject: Re: [PRR] Miracle Castings Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:24:59 -0500 Evan--I have done several Miracle Castings BP20 Sharks. If you will check the archives, there were a couple of extensive "lessons learned" type postings several months ago. Keeping in mind that these are resin, the detail is quite good. There is some filling/sanding required, principally around the window openings, but generally the shells are quite flash free. The principal complaint was that the steps which extend below the shell are extremely brittle, requiring a lot of care in cleaning the flash and after installation. Overall: very good model. Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: CENTGA@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:45:08 EDT Subject: [PRR] Off topic Reading question I hate to post this question to the PRR list but I know we have some Reading fans out there. LL has posted their new products, among them are Reading cabooses in the green and yellow paint scheme. Can anyone tell me what time era this paint job is appropriate for? Thanks Todd Horton ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: KEMACPRR@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:39:24 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Off topic Reading question The two tone yelow /green was used first on the Readings GP-30's delivered in 1962. I'm not sure when they started to apint cabooses in this scheme but all motive power from that point up to the GP-40's were in the two tone scheme. I think the 1963-1976 era would be safe. -------------- Ken McCorry ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 08:35:12 -0500 From: John Sheets Subject: [PRR] Re: Off topic Reading Question Todd Reading had two groups of green and yellow cabs, of course the new International Wide Vision cars came that way, and RDG shops painted a few of the Northeastern style as they were rebuilt modified. Interestingly class MNi #92900 built in 1941 was repainted but not rebuilt. There is a photo of this car at West Cressona, Pa in Nov 1970 on the RCT&HS 2000 calendar for November. Also note we have a talk list for RDG. John RCT&HS #585 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:54:22 -0400 From: vck@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: [PRR] Triumph II Question Greetings to the list and appologies if this has been asked/pointed out before. I have had my copy of this second Robertsian Ramble for quite a while, but haven't given it very much attention except to look at all the 'purty pitchers' (as we from the Cummerlin Vaaly like to say). And I wasn't too concerned about the potential for historical errors because Roberts supposedly brought in adult supervision to help him separate fact from myth and idle conjecture this time. So, my wife and cat were startled nearly to distraction when I exploded from the den, ranting wildly about Baltimorons keeping to subjects south of Mason and Dixon's Line while pointing urgently to page 209 in Harrumph II. Has anyone else noticed the egregious (dare I say, stupid) error in the caption under the engraving of train crossing CVRR bridge w/ camel back highway bridge in background looking northwest from the west bank of Susquehanna River? AAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! This image as common as JFK photographs hanging in Greek restaurants! But Roberts and his "editor" have apparently missed it before now. They would have the uninformed reader believe that the train was actually on the line that would eventually become a branch of the READING RR!!!!!!! and that the hump-backed highway bridge was the CVRR!!!!!!!!!!! What dolts! What frauds! Memo for Charlie Roberts, et al: Just because there's two railroad bridges there in 1998, doesn't mean there have always been two railroad bridges there. You and your "editor" should stick to what you know ... which definitely doesn't include writing historical works. Maybe you should just concentrate on publishing railroad books with 'purty pitchers' and leave the captions to our imaginations. Vagel Keller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 09:04:32 -0700 From: Frank Bagrash Subject: [PRR] web address Hi, What is the URL for the PRRT&HS web site home page. Thanks Frank -- Frank M. Bagrash, Ph.D. 909-248-9197 Department of Psychology 714-278-7134 (fax) P.O. Box 6846 California State University Fullerton, California 92834-6846 (Retired) E-mail: fbagrash@fullerton.edu Boogie gently, babies ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Sam Vastano" Subject: [PRR] Pennsy power III Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:47:06 EDT Group, Quite some time ago there was the discussion that there was going to be a reprint of Pennsy power III. Does anybody know if this has happened? and if so where I can get it? If not does anybody know when it will be reprinted? Thanks Sam Vastano _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:48:58 -0400 From: "John Ryan, Jr." Subject: Re: [PRR] Pennsy power III I remember seeing this fall, but don't recall a specific date. I did see it on someone's list the other day. It said the list price was still $75. John Ryan Sam Vastano wrote: > > Group, > > Quite some time ago there was the discussion that there was going to be a > reprint of Pennsy power III. Does anybody know if this has happened? and if > so where I can get it? > > If not does anybody know when it will be reprinted? > > Thanks > > Sam Vastano ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:49:15 -0400 From: prrbill Subject: Re: [PRR] web address Frank Bagrash wrote: > Hi, > > What is the URL for the PRRT&HS web site home page. Thanks > > Frank > > -- > Frank M. Bagrash, Ph.D. 909-248-9197 > Department of Psychology 714-278-7134 (fax) > P.O. Box 6846 > California State University > Fullerton, California 92834-6846 > (Retired) > E-mail: fbagrash@fullerton.edu > Boogie gently, babies Frank, It's Bill Morlitz, Sup. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: VVA249@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:34:37 EDT Subject: [PRR] Pennsy power III I'LL See Al Staufer on Friday - at our "O" scale meeting, and wil ask him the status Dick Ross Cleveland ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Kris Kollar" Subject: [PRR] New PRR electrics book Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:18:45 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C02F11.D82DBEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Several months back I mentioned that a local railroad author here in the = Hershey, PA area was working on a new PRR book. I got to see it last = night and supposedly its on some book store shelves now. Its entitled, = "Trackside Under Pennsy Wires", written by Jeremy Plant and published by = Morning Sun. The author used the slide collection of James Shurman, a = former PRR employee who loved electric motors and trolleys. All photos = are never before published. Almost all shots are from the Harrisburg, = Enola, Lemoyne, Lancaster, Columbia, etc areas. Lots of great photos of = PRR trains snaking along the Susquehanna. Shots of coal barges on the = river with trains in the background. Some pictures taken from the river = looking toward the shore. Many panoramic shots with trains on bridges. = Includes pictures of many extremely remote and seldom photographed = areas. If you like electrics and are interested in these areas I think = you'll like this book. In some shots neither the author nor = photographer could pinpoint the location so they've taken their most = educated guess and invite readers to provide comment. Quality photography with well laid out pages and all the little extra = things we've become accustomed to. If your wondering my comments don't = get me a free book or even a price break. I still pay the $54 like = everyone else. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C02F11.D82DBEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Several months back I mentioned that a = local=20 railroad author here in the Hershey, PA area was working on a new PRR=20 book. I got to see it last night and supposedly its on some book = store=20 shelves now. Its entitled, "Trackside Under Pennsy Wires", written = by=20 Jeremy Plant and published by Morning Sun. The author used the = slide=20 collection of James Shurman, a former PRR employee who loved electric = motors and=20 trolleys. All photos are never before published. Almost all = shots=20 are from the Harrisburg, Enola, Lemoyne, Lancaster, Columbia, etc = areas. =20 Lots of great photos of PRR trains snaking along the Susquehanna. = Shots of=20 coal barges on the river with trains in the background. Some = pictures=20 taken from the river looking toward the shore. Many panoramic = shots with=20 trains on bridges. Includes pictures of many extremely = remote=20 and seldom photographed areas. If you like electrics and are = interested in=20 these areas I think you'll like this book. In some shots neither = the=20 author nor photographer could pinpoint the location so they've taken = their most=20 educated guess and invite readers to provide comment.

Quality photography with well laid out = pages and=20 all the little extra things we've become accustomed to. If your = wondering=20 my comments don't get me a free book or even a price break. I = still pay=20 the $54 like everyone else.

Kris

------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C02F11.D82DBEC0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Sam Vastano" Subject: Re: [PRR] Pennsy power III Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:22:47 EDT Dick & Group, I called al' house the book is in publication as we speak, his wife said it should be out the end of this month. Sam Vastano >From: VVA249@aol.com >To: svastano@hotmail.com, PRR-Talk@dsop.com >Subject: [PRR] Pennsy power III >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:34:37 EDT > >I'LL See Al Staufer on Friday - at our "O" scale meeting, and wil ask him >the >status >Dick Ross >Cleveland _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RDG2124@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:24:53 EDT Subject: [PRR] X-42 models PRR List, Was at Caboose Hobbies in Denver, Colo. today and due to all the list traffic about the X-42 box car I checked the brass case for PRR cars. There were two of the X-42 cars in HO in the case plus several factory painted X-40a cars, unpainted H-25 hoppers in several versions, a deep well flat and a depressed center flat. The X-42 box cars are stock numbers: 62284 Prec. Scale Co., factory painted and lettered (Keystone in solid white circle), consignment sale at $195. 62982 Prec. Scale Co., unpainted, consignment sale at $129. Happy PRR modeling, Evan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 06:23:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] New PRR electrics book From: Jerry Britton On 10/5/00 9:18 PM, Kris Kollar at (kkollar@cplx.net) wrote: > Several months back I mentioned that a local railroad author here in the > Hershey, PA area was working on a new PRR book. I got to see it last night > and supposedly its on some book store shelves now. Its entitled, "Trackside > Under Pennsy Wires", written by Jeremy Plant and published by Morning Sun. > The author used the slide collection of James Shurman, a former PRR employee > who loved electric motors and trolleys. All photos are never before > published. Almost all shots are from the Harrisburg, Enola, Lemoyne, > Lancaster, Columbia, etc areas. Lots of great photos of PRR trains snaking > along the Susquehanna. Shots of coal barges on the river with trains in the > background. Some pictures taken from the river looking toward the shore. > Many panoramic shots with trains on bridges. Includes pictures of many > extremely remote and seldom photographed areas. If you like electrics and are > interested in these areas I think you'll like this book. In some shots > neither the author nor photographer could pinpoint the location so they've > taken their most educated guess and invite readers to provide comment. > > Quality photography with well laid out pages and all the little extra things > we've become accustomed to. If your wondering my comments don't get me a free > book or even a price break. I still pay the $54 like everyone else. > You don't have to pay $54! I am selling them for under $44. My shipment is actually en route (confirmed) and are expected in today. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@pennsyrr.com Member, PRRT&HS "Merchandise Service", a division of Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc., is a reseller of model railroad and railroadiana products. "MS" is also host to the web site "Keystone Crossings", the domain PENNSYRR.COM, and the mailing lists "PRR-Talk", "Conrail- Talk", and "Reading-Talk". When you purchase through "MS", you are providing financial support to these Internet endeavors. Please visit our eCommerce web site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ------------------------------Thank you!----------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: NDBPRR@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:49:49 EDT Subject: [PRR] Foreigen power on the corridor Were there any transfer runs or other reasons for non-PRR power to either travel on the corridor or lay over at one of the terminals between Philadelphia and Trenton? Thanks for any input on the late 50's or early 60's. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] Steamtown K4 List, Several days ago I mentioned I had the opportunity to visit Steamtown last week. I also mentioned I viewed a large K4 Model on display in the main lobby. http://www.baytechnologies.com/bti1.jpg I did some research on the internet as to who supplied the model in hopes to obtaining one myself. If anyone else was interested also, you can now put your wallets away. I recieved an email from Steamtown today answering my inquiry. The K4 model was built under a bid contract and a company from Wisconsin was the low bidder. The ABS Plastic Model was completed and delivered to Steamtown in 1994 at the cost of $32,000. Yep, $32,000. Thats a 3, a 2, and 3 zeros. Needless to say, it is out of my price range. I guess it was wishful thinking on my part to think I could add this model to my personal collection......Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:14:00 -0400 From: Jerry Shickler Subject: Re:[PRR] Steamtown K4 Gary Mittner wrote: ... The K4 model was built under a bid contract and a company from Wisconsin was the low bidder. The ABS Plastic Model was completed and delivered to Steamtown in 1994 at the cost of $32,000. Yep, $32,000. Thats a 3, a 2, and 3 zeros. Needless to say, it is out of my price range. I guess it was wishful thinking on my part to think I could add this model to my personal collection......Gary ---------- C'mon Gary, Get one in each road number, to match your photo collection. :-) -- Jerry Shickler Visit the PRR P&E, E&P, Chautauqua branches web page at: http://www.velocity.net/~geshick/prr/prrmain.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Re:[PRR] Steamtown K4 Jerry, I added that up, if I bought one K4 for each K4 photo. 425 K4s X $32,000. Thats $13,600,000.00 Yikes! And thats not counting the variations. One could purchase a handful of real K4's for that price.......Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:59:32 -0400 From: Patrick Rieger Subject: Re: [PRR] Steamtown K4 Gary Mittner wrote: > > Jerry, > > I added that up, if I bought one K4 for each K4 photo. 425 K4s X > $32,000. Thats $13,600,000.00 Yikes! And thats not counting the > variations. One could purchase a handful of real K4's for that > price.......Gary That's enough to pay for the restoration of 1361, and have enough left over to convince the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania to restore 3750. Patrick -- =========================================================================== " My heart is warm with the friends I make, And better friends I'll not be knowing; Yet there isn't a train I wouldn't take, No matter where it's going." -Edna St. Vincent Millay, Travel, 1921 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick James Rieger, http://www.dementia.org/~patrick Volunteer, The Railway Museum of Greater Cincinnati (formerly Railway Exposition Company), Latonia, Kentucky PRRT&HS #6713 ============================================================================ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Sam Vastano" Subject: Re: [PRR] Steamtown K4 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 14:25:09 EDT Group, I would rather see a reproduction T1!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sam >From: Patrick Rieger >Reply-To: patrick@dementia.org >To: Gary Mittner >CC: geshick@velocity.net, PRR-Talk@dsop.com >Subject: Re: [PRR] Steamtown K4 >Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:59:32 -0400 > > > >Gary Mittner wrote: > > > > Jerry, > > > > I added that up, if I bought one K4 for each K4 photo. 425 K4s X > > $32,000. Thats $13,600,000.00 Yikes! And thats not counting the > > variations. One could purchase a handful of real K4's for that > > price.......Gary > >That's enough to pay for the restoration of 1361, and have enough left >over to convince the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania to restore 3750. > >Patrick > >-- >=========================================================================== >" My heart is warm with the friends I make, > And better friends I'll not be knowing; > Yet there isn't a train I wouldn't take, > No matter where it's going." > -Edna St. Vincent Millay, > Travel, 1921 >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Patrick James Rieger, http://www.dementia.org/~patrick >Volunteer, The Railway Museum of Greater Cincinnati >(formerly Railway Exposition Company), Latonia, Kentucky >PRRT&HS #6713 >============================================================================ > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 14:30:46 -0400 From: "Tom Mahon" Subject: Re: [PRR] Steamtown K4 Ah, the wonders of a federal contract! Gary Mittner wrote: > List, > > Several days ago I mentioned I had the opportunity to visit Steamtown > last week. I also mentioned I viewed a large K4 Model on display in the > main lobby. http://www.baytechnologies.com/bti1.jpg I did some research > on the internet as to who supplied the model in hopes to obtaining one > myself. If anyone else was interested also, you can now put your wallets > away. > I recieved an email from Steamtown today answering my inquiry. The > K4 model was built under a bid contract and a company from Wisconsin was > the low bidder. The ABS Plastic Model was completed and delivered to > Steamtown in 1994 at the cost of $32,000. Yep, $32,000. Thats a 3, a 2, > and 3 zeros. Needless to say, it is out of my price range. I guess it > was wishful thinking on my part to think I could add this model to my > personal collection......Gary > > Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art > Work!.......and MY NEW K4s WEB PAGES>>> > http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 > and...... > http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and...... > http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:35:34 -0400 (EDT) From: bubbles@visi.net Subject: [PRR] Steamtown K-4 Hi All.... Heck for 13.5 million we could have built new..... Two new K-4s,a K-5,a T-1 and maybe a Q-2 or J-1 just to make sure we have them covered. Hey....lets start contacting our congressmen and bug them for a grant for a alternative fuel loco program. Heck with congress you never know. Til Later Hank Mummert ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Burnley, Charles" Subject: RE: [PRR] Steamtown K4 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:51:31 -0400 Hi List, Just looked at the photo of the K4 model. I don't know how good or bad the photo is, but if it is even reasonably clear, I'm not impressed. I would think for 32-grand we should have a lot more detail and proportion. The thing just don't look "right". Back in the teens & twenty's when the real ones were being built they probably didn't cost much over $32,000 each. I'm in the wrong business!! I've got to move to Wisconsin & become a professional model maker. $32,000.00----WOW! Till later. C. Burnley PRRT&HS #271 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Mahon [mailto:tmahon@cfnh.com] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 2:31 PM To: Gary Mittner Cc: PRR Talk Subject: Re: [PRR] Steamtown K4 Ah, the wonders of a federal contract! Gary Mittner wrote: > List, > > Several days ago I mentioned I had the opportunity to visit Steamtown > last week. I also mentioned I viewed a large K4 Model on display in the > main lobby. http://www.baytechnologies.com/bti1.jpg I did some research > on the internet as to who supplied the model in hopes to obtaining one > myself. If anyone else was interested also, you can now put your wallets > away. > I recieved an email from Steamtown today answering my inquiry. The > K4 model was built under a bid contract and a company from Wisconsin was > the low bidder. The ABS Plastic Model was completed and delivered to > Steamtown in 1994 at the cost of $32,000. Yep, $32,000. Thats a 3, a 2, > and 3 zeros. Needless to say, it is out of my price range. I guess it > was wishful thinking on my part to think I could add this model to my > personal collection......Gary > > Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art > Work!.......and MY NEW K4s WEB PAGES>>> > http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 > and...... > http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and...... > http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 15:55:12 -0400 From: Bennett Levin Subject: Re: [PRR] Steamtown K4 Maybe a just a meger few of the many, many, many, million$ that we taxpayers waste on AMTRAK could be used to fund the Alternative Fuel Passenger Locomotive Project a/k/a T-2. Don't knock the NPS or Steamtown; for some of us that is all we get for our tax dollars! BL Sam Vastano wrote: > > Group, > > I would rather see a reproduction T1!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Sam > > >From: Patrick Rieger > >Reply-To: patrick@dementia.org > >To: Gary Mittner > >CC: geshick@velocity.net, PRR-Talk@dsop.com > >Subject: Re: [PRR] Steamtown K4 > >Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:59:32 -0400 > > > > > > > >Gary Mittner wrote: > > > > > > Jerry, > > > > > > I added that up, if I bought one K4 for each K4 photo. 425 K4s X > > > $32,000. Thats $13,600,000.00 Yikes! And thats not counting the > > > variations. One could purchase a handful of real K4's for that > > > price.......Gary > > > >That's enough to pay for the restoration of 1361, and have enough left > >over to convince the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania to restore 3750. > > > >Patrick > > > >-- > >=========================================================================== > >" My heart is warm with the friends I make, > > And better friends I'll not be knowing; > > Yet there isn't a train I wouldn't take, > > No matter where it's going." > > -Edna St. Vincent Millay, > > Travel, 1921 > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Patrick James Rieger, http://www.dementia.org/~patrick > >Volunteer, The Railway Museum of Greater Cincinnati > >(formerly Railway Exposition Company), Latonia, Kentucky > >PRRT&HS #6713 > >============================================================================ > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > >"listserv@dsop.com". > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: NDBPRR@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:59:50 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Steamtown K-4 There is a story floating around the RR boards on AOL about a woman who wrote Al Gore asking that the Texas Eagle not be discontinued because it was her only way of getting to visit her grandchildren. He wrote back she needed to contact the Texas DNR about enforcing the endangered species act and he never met an endangered species he didn't think shouldn't be saved. SO, lets ask for the corridor to run the PRR engines as long as we are at it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: [PRR] Steamtown K4 Charles, The proprtions of the model seems to be good, atleast thats my impression the 10 minutes I was looking at it. I didn't have drawings with me to compare it to but it looked good. The detailing is what it is lacking. With some more time in the right hands it could have been a much better static model. The museums purpose for the model did not call for such detail. That $32,000.00 price tag is not just for the final model. That is the research, die making and completion of the model by the company. Now, only if they could produce more for retail sale at a resonable price. Thats comparable to say, LifeLike Proto 2000 producing the 2-8-8-2. They spend $100,000 (thats a guess) on research and tooling. However, the more they produce the more they profit. They wouldn' t just produce one model. With this K4 job, the company bid a contract, won and produced the one they were required. End of story. Too bad......Gary. PS: The average cost of a Baldwin Built I1s in 1923 was $72,700.00 Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:48:55 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Steamtown K4 In a message dated 10/6/00 3:42:07 PM Central Daylight Time, mittner@webtv.net writes: << The average cost of a Baldwin Built I1s in 1923 was $72,700.00 >> The first Q2 was $428,598, of which $330,148.81 was for construction, turned out 8/28/44. Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 17:56:08 -0400 From: Bennett Levin Subject: Re: [PRR] Steamtown K-4 Suits Me, Bennett Levin NDBPRR@aol.com wrote: > > There is a story floating around the RR boards on AOL about a woman who wrote > Al Gore asking that the Texas Eagle not be discontinued because it was her > only way of getting to visit her grandchildren. He wrote back she needed to > contact the Texas DNR about enforcing the endangered species act and he never > met an endangered species he didn't think shouldn't be saved. SO, lets ask > for the corridor to run the PRR engines as long as we are at it. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:55:22 -0400 (EDT) From: bubbles@visi.net Subject: [PRR] loco costs Hello.... According to "Trains" "Pennsy Power I" and the "Keystone"..... G-5s = $35,590 including tender(1924)Three still around today. M-1 = $65,612 " " (1926)Keep in mind that W.Atterbury bought one on his own.(1923) K-5 = $74,382 " " (1929 Altoona built engine No.5698) (my favorite) K-5 = $71,388 " " (1929 Baldwin built engine No.5699 $91,887 with PRR supplied added parts). GG-1 = $250,000 (more or less,1934-1943) Value to PRR fans......Priceless.... And Visa and Mastercard won't cover that folks. Til Later Hank Mummert ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:41:03 -0400 (EDT) From: bubbles@visi.net Subject: [PRR] looking for H.O.3D5P2 trucks Hello Everyone.... I've recently gotten a old Horse car and am looking for a set of PRR class 3D5P2 or 3D-P1 trucks for it. Precision Scale made some of these trucks. If anyone might have a pair to sell please contact me off list. If needed i have a pic of what the 3D5P2 class looks like. Til Later Hank Mummert ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: JONS6755@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:45:07 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Steamtown K4 Gary Did you by any chance get the name of the "company in Wisconsin" that produced the model? Jon S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [PRR] Steamtown K4 Jon, I sure did. The name of the company is Bay Technologies, Geenbay Wis. I am waiting for a reply from an inquiry I made to them this morning. Just curious to what they say. Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: PC-Buff@webtv.net Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] X-58 Hello all with the spotting of the X-50 boxcar the other day I took a trip to Northumberland Yard here in central Pa. Here the NS sets off cars for the North Shore RR( a small shortline). I spotted an X-58 boxcar with the PRR kestone whited out with PC worms over top but both were fading through. The neat part was the car was its original PRR color but with a Jade Green Door. Also the #was painted over with Jade Green paint with a CR #placed over in white. I took 3 photos I just wished I had a way to scan them.. Car # was CR 362209 X-58 4444 Cu. Ft. Blt 10-65. anyone in the general area interested in taking photos the car was moved to the North Shores Shores Yard John MP 258 (SF) Sunbury Pa ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "sam cali" Subject: [PRR] Hightstown NJ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 05:10:09 GMT Does anyone know when or why the PRR bridge in Hightstown was removed? (This is on the former Camden and Amboy line) Anyone have any photos? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: bobsin@nac.net Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 09:12:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Hightstown NJ I would guess the trestle at Hightstown disappeared about ten years ago, but perhaps somebody has an exact date. My impression at the time was it was part of a road improvement project in the downtown area. The line had been cut for quite a while into separate running tracks west of Hightstown; I think they were called Hightstown and Robbinsville, so when the last through train ran would have been quite some time ago. John Bobsin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Greg Stone" Subject: [PRR] Water Bridges Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:18:57 -0700 Can anyone name where there where signal type bridges with water spouts on the PRR in pennsylvania? Greg Stone PRRT&HS member special interest Renovo Yards ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 21:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] X-42 revisited, List, Getting back to the X-42 thread for a moment. I was able to purchase the HO Scale Brass P-Company X-42 at a local train show today. Nice model but the trucks could be better modeled. May pick up a replacement pair for it later. I searched the archives here on PRR-Talk for painting tips for this car. I found what I believe will be hellpful when the time comes to paint it. I plan on painting this with the Passenger Equipment Style Color and Lettering which will be Tuscan Red Paint and Gold Leaf Lettering. Acoording to the archved posts here, this scheme would have been used in the early 50's time period. Would this have indeed used the Gold Leaf Lettering or Dulux Gold Lettering? Or possibly could these cars used either color during this short time frame. We all know the X-29's that were used in REA Passenger Service were painted standard Freight Car Color. Has any new info been found since the posts 2 years ago stateing these X-42 cars were indeed painted Tuscan Red and NOT Freight Car Color when wearing the Passenger Lettering and Stripes? A nice model like this needs to be painted correctly so any additional info is helpful. I learned today that the Precission Scale Factory Painted X-42 Models were actually painted and decaled wrong. (Didn't catch what the goof was) but I would like to avoid thier results. Any new info is appreciated......Thanks, Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!.......and MY NEW K4s WEB PAGES>>> http://homepages.go.com/~prrk4 and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and...... http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 23:05:31 -0400 From: ERIC LAUTERBACH Subject: [PRR] New Pennsy Steam In O gauge I was at a Greenburg train show today and saw a really neat K-line streamline K-4 #3768. It looked really good, but was painted in a redish color. Not a bad price at about 325 without sound and about 425 with sound. But you have to be a member of K-line's club to buy it. It looked close to scale. Much much nicer than MTH railking version of the engine. I would say that the detailing is very close to MTH premier O scale line. Also in MTH 2001 Vol 1 catalog, they are offering a scale H-10 that looks very good in the premier line and a Railking I-1. Eric Also, any word yet on Bowser and the J1a. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: CENTGA@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:14:21 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] X-42 revisited, Gary, please don't tell me that the PSC cars have a painting mistake. If you find out what this is can you post itto the board? Todd Horton ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: JONS6755@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:19:16 EDT Subject: [PRR] Trains Magazine 60TH Fellow List Members Spent today at the Trains Magazine 60th Anniversary Party at the Rochelle Railroad Park in IL. There was a great turn out, the weather was good (cold but bright sunshine), Trains provided a nice catered lunch for all and a nice show was put on by the UP & the BNSF who share the four track diamond at the park. So why this information on PRR Talk you ask ? Well there was a late model dark green (almost brunswick) van running around the park area with a very large Keystone on both doors! I never got to find and talk to the driver but was wondering if he is a list member (if your out there, you know who you are), and if so, could you get in touch with me? There are so few of us Pennsy folks out here. . . and I'd like to talk. Thanks ! ! Jon S. PRRT&HS #3079 Friends of the RR Museum of PA. JONS6755@aol.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 21:09:26 -0700 (PDT) From: robert netzlof Subject: Re: [PRR] Water Bridges --- Greg Stone wrote: > Can anyone name where there where signal type > bridges with water spouts on > the PRR in pennsylvania? > Just east of the PA981 overpass, east of Latrobe, PA, for one. That was in conjunction with the track pans at that location. ===== Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:06:42 -0700 (PDT) From: robert netzlof Subject: Re: [PRR] Water Bridges --- robert netzlof wrote: > > --- Greg Stone wrote: > > Can anyone name where there where signal type > > bridges with water spouts on > > the PRR in pennsylvania? > > > Just east of the PA981 overpass, east of Latrobe, > PA, > for one. That was in conjunction with the track pans > at that location. > And furthermore.... Pennsy Power II has a picture, top of page 285, said to be taken at Duncannon, PA. The bridge shown there looks a lot like the one at Latrobe. (Not claiming it is the one at Latrobe, just that the two look a lot alike). Very frustrating. Pennsy Power and Pennsy Power II have several photos looking west from a point west of the Latrobe bridge, and several looking east from a point east of the bridge, but none where the photographer turned around and took a picture of the bridge. Sigh. ===== Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! X-Apparently-From: From: "Lady Of The Woods" Subject: [PRR] Model clubs Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:21:24 -0400 Looking for model clubs or private layout in Montgomery County PA. New to the list, great fan of the rail road. I would like to sit in on operating sessions and get ideas starting my own lay out. Focusing on the PRR transition era. Any information or help is greatly appreciated. Thank you, Bill _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Nixon" Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:49:22 +0000 Subject: [PRR] Hall of Steam (Altoona PA) Does anyone know what happened to the Hall of Steam which did beautiful reproductions of Pennsy stuff years ago? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:59:37 -0400 (EDT) From: bubbles@visi.net Subject: [PRR] water bridges Hello.... There is a picture in the little K-4s book,"Pennsylvania Railroad Steam Locomotives of Yesteryear-k-4" By Harry P. Albrecht,1976. On page 9 it shows a southbound K-4 and train near Wilmington,Del. in 1925. I suspect this to be closer to Newark,Del. This bridge spans all 3 or 4 tracks. Also there was one at Kittanning Point,just east of Horseshoe curve at one time. Til Later Hank Mummert ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Wayne S. Betty" Subject: [PRR] RE: MP 229 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 01:09:30 -0400 Howdy PRR- Talk and Ken. I sort of had a day off today - I just sat down in front of the PC and did what I wanted for a change. Thanks to Ken's Email, I did what I have been meaning to do for two years. Thanks Ken. Ken the new stuff will answer your first question as to the ARF key, however, I don't have a key to the engine house markings. I scanned the pages of the MP 229, from 11/1/44. I made an index of all the pages that includes the division assignments. Next on my list of things to do - Jerry's book report due back in July