From: "Graeme Nitz" Subject: Re: [PRR] Wayner Books Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:09:59 +1000 Listers, I have 2 of these Wayner books namely:- Passenger Train Consists of the 1940s Car Names Numbers And Consists The first lists individual trains in "Date" order. There are quite a few PRR trains such as the Pennsylvannian, Pittsburgher, etc. A typical listing is as follows:- Liberty Limited Pennsylvania R.R. train 58 eastbound arriving Pittsburgh December 4, 1943 PRR 3878 4-6-2 steam locomotive CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS 12 Sections, 1 Drawing Room CALVIN COOLIDGE 12 Sections, 1 Drawing Room LAWMAKER 12 Sections, 1 Drawing Room PRR 7873 Dining Car IMPERIAL BASS 4 D.B.R., 4 Compts., 2 D.R. (LW) MORNING BROOK 12 Duplex Single Rooms, 5 D.B.R. (LW) MEMORY BROOK 12 Duplex Single Rooms, 5 D.B.R. (LW) WASHINGTON VIEW 2 Master Rooms, 1 Double Bedrooms, Buffet Lounge Observation (LW) The Car Names book is for Lightweight trains only and has 22 pages of PRR information such as:- Broadway Limited cars of 1938 Heavyweight Pullmans which recieved P.R.R. Exterior Streamlining Lightweight Pullmans for P.R.R. General Service, 1938-40 Keystone Tubular train Etc. There are a lot of floor plans of Pass Cars etc. The book covers about 70 RR's with the PRR section being the largest. I hope this helps you. Graeme Nitz PRRT&HS Member #1313 prr@unite.com.au An Aussie "Slobbering Pennsy Freak" With a touch of Reading. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Graeme Nitz" Subject: [PRR] Wayner Books - More Info Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:12:11 +1000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BFFBB1.B8CA1DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Listers, Another good Watner book I have which I should have mentioned is = "Pennsylvania Railroad Passenger And Freight Car Diagrams" The title explains itself. Lots of Line Drawings with floorplans of coaches, diners etc. and = freight cars. If its of any use I can scan pages for people. Graeme Nitz PRRT&HS Member #1313 prr@unite.com.au An Aussie "Slobbering Pennsy Freak" With a touch of Reading. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BFFBB1.B8CA1DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Listers,
 
Another good Watner book I have which I = should have=20 mentioned is "Pennsylvania Railroad Passenger And Freight Car=20 Diagrams"
 
The title explains itself.
 
Lots of Line Drawings with floorplans = of coaches,=20 diners etc. and freight cars.
 
If its of any use I can scan pages for=20 people.
 
Graeme Nitz
PRRT&HS Member = #1313
prr@unite.com.au
An Aussie = "Slobbering=20 Pennsy Freak"
With a touch of Reading.
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Walt Prusick
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFFB83.314ED240-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 04:20:51 -0700 (PDT) From: robert netzlof Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: H21a in O gauge --- GPandelios@aol.com wrote: > Fellow List Members, > > I stand corrected!!! There is a PRR H21a in O gauge > and Weaver makes it (I think). > have a BLT date of 42. Seems too recent. > H21a was a 4 bay hopper, with the chutes arranged >(see wonderful ASCII line art below). > > | | | | | | | | | | | > +--------------------------+ > oo \V\V V/ V/ oo H21 hoppers are arranged in pairs, dumping toward the centers of the pairs (see excellent ASCII art below, which indicates the longer wheel base of the Crown trucks and cleverly avoids questions about rib spacing) | | +-----------------------+ O O \V V/ \V V/ O O ===== Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Benjamin Frank Hom" Subject: RE: [PRR] Re: H21a in O gauge Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 03:23:09 -1000 George Pandelios wrote: "I stand corrected!!! There is a PRR H21a in O gauge and Weaver makes it (I think). In fact, I have an order for 12 of them (in tuscan; should be red oxide). They bear the logo "Coal Goes to War" and have a BLT date of 42. I was under the impression that the H21a was a 4 bay hopper, with the chutes arranged (looking toward the side) so that they dump towards the center of the car (see wonderful ASCII line art below). | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------------------+ oo \V\V V/ V/ oo I didn't realize that there were 2 rows of bays that dump towards the center. Was there ever a 4-bay PRR hopper (like the one sort of depicted above)?" George, if I read your diagram correctly, what you have is not an H21a. A unique feature of this class is that each pair of hoppers dump towards each other, creating a "sawtooth" effect, almost like you have two twins joined together end-to-end: \V V/ \V V/ What you describe sounds like a class of Lehigh Valley quads, but I'd need to see a picture of the model to be sure. At any rate, a build date of 1942 is bogus (legit would be during the teens!), but the "COAL GOES TO WAR", as well as "BUY WAR BONDS" are slogans that were applied to some class H21 cars. "MTH RailKing makes one that claims to be an H21 (but has offset (smooth) sides and doubles as Union Pacific hopper." This is most definitely not any subclass of H21, but an AAR standard design used in many numbers by B&O (Class W-2) and C&O. A common car, but NOT a Pennsy hopper! Ben Hom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Andrews, Ted" Subject: RE: [PRR] Pennsy BM70nb RPO Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:31:52 -0400 Walt and other Listers: I bought all of the parts needed except for the roof. I am planning on finally doing the car this fall, or winter, or spring,...... Ted Andrews -----Original Message----- From: Walt Prusick [mailto:walpru@stargate.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 8:39 AM To: prr-talk@dsop.com Subject: [PRR] Pennsy BM70nb RPO Recently purchased Dec 95 RMC which has an article by Bob Kessler which bashs BM70nb from an AHM/IHC 70' RPO. Has anyone done this bash? Walt Prusick ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:36:47 -0500 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: H21a in O gauge Hi George, Several resources that you will find very valuable for this kind of question are: 1) PRR EQUIPMENT DIAGRAMS at: http://PRR.Railfan.net/diagrams/ 2) Volumes 1&2 of the Color Guides to the PRR (I'm blanking on the actual title right now!) 3) In addition John Teichmoller's definitive book on PRR hoppers should be released sometime this millenium (no, I'm not being cranky, as you will recall, the millenium end Dec 31, 2000) >I stand corrected!!! There is a PRR H21a in O gauge and Weaver makes it (I >think). >I didn't realize that there were 2 rows of bays that dump towards the center. > Was there ever a 4-bay PRR hopper (like the one sortof depicted above)? MTH >RailKing makes one that claims to be an H21 (but has offset (smooth) sides >and doubles as Union Pacific hopper. So is Weaver correct? No, Weaver is not correct. These are not H21s. Your initial statement that the H21 was a 4 bay hopper is correct. For photos of HO models see: http://users.multipro.com/westerfield/3251.htm http://www.bowser-trains.com/HO%20Freight%20Cars/h-21.htm Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 09:58:08 -0400 From: Andy Miller Subject: Re: [PRR] Pennsy BM70nb RPO No, but I have bashed a BM70M out of one using a high arch roof, Keystone 6-wheel trucks, and Grant Line windows. The BM70M was the most common of all the RPOs. Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org =================================================== > Walt Prusick wrote: > > Recently purchased Dec 95 RMC which has an article by Bob Kessler > which bashs BM70nb from an AHM/IHC 70' RPO. Has anyone done this bash? > > Walt Prusick -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:02:46 -0400 From: Andy Miller Subject: [PRR] B60b Brakes I am currently building several Bethlehem B60b's. In all my references the fotos and plans show a triple valve opposite the battery box, but no brake cylinder anywhere! The original B60s show them in fotos, but not the more numerous B60b's. B60b's never had truck mounted cylinders, so where were they?? -- Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org =================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 09:59:30 -0400 From: Stephen Bartlett Subject: [PRR] Re: Lighting of Passenger Cars Jerry, Assuming you don't want to model prototype light fixtures, but just light the car interiors, you could copy the old Scalite scheme: a light bulb enclosed at one end of the car, with a length of Lucite (acrylic plaastic) bar extending the length of the car under the roof. Scalite's light bars were about 1/2 inch square at the lamp end, tapering to about 1/8 to 1/16 inch thick at the far end. The end at the lamp was polished, and the cut surfaces were on the top and bottom of the bar. For 80 foot O scale cars, one lamp in the middle of the car with two light bars worked all the way to the vestibules. For HO you could probably reduce the cross section of the bars, which can be obtained from a piece of scrap plastic by sawing tapered strips from a sheet of the desired thickness. Walthers used to sell "imitation fluorescent" (my words) lamps, the same configuration as size 3AG fuses (1 1/4 inch long by 1/4 in. diam) which clipped into fuseholders. Several could be spaced out along the car roof. They are out of the Walthers and Radio Shack catalogs, but I just bought some from All Electronics for $0.70 each, lots of 10. They are 12 volt only, clear glass. You would probably have to series pairs of the to allow for the DCC track voltage. Of the two schemes, the Scalite bar provides a much more even lighting. Steve Bartlett Subject: Lighting of Passenger Cars From: "Jerry Britton" Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:47:12 -0400 I am looking to light a whole fleet of passenger cars (DCC = constant lighting) and would like your input... .................... What about the choice of light fixtures? Who likes what? What doesn't work well? Thanks in advance! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:35:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: Lighting of Passenger Cars From: Jerry Britton FYI: A few folks questioned the power requirements of my intent to light my entire passenger fleet. I am on Digitrax Chief. By its nature, DCC allows for constant lighting. As for the number of cars involved, I posed the question to Allan Gartner, who runs the excellent "Wiring For DCC" web site (http://www.wiringfordcc.com). He did the math, and responded in all kinds of electroterms that are beyond me, but said "no problem"! He did recommend additional boosters, and even suggested dedicated boosters in yard areas where large numbers of passenger cars will sit. --------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in HO Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of "PRR-Talk" http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com Free serving of railroad web sites http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:59:01 -0400 From: Andy Miller Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: Lighting of Passenger Cars jerry, Be careful. Lights in many cars will put an extra current load on the power supply. While the power supply may be able to keep up, the circuit breakers will have to be set high enough to avoid blowing them just from the passing of the Broadway Ltd! If they are set that high, then you have lost the overload protection you want for your locos. A shorted or overloaded loco without any passenger cars will be indistinguishable to the circuit breaker from a long string of lights. Perhaps the solution is to light the cars with LEDs. They have a very low current drain. White LEDs are now avaulable, but still very expensive. But they are electronic devices and therefore the price will come down ;-) Or you can use yellow LEDs. After all we are emulating incandescent lighting at a distance and yellow is not inappropriate. -- Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org =================================================== Jerry Britton wrote: > > FYI: > > A few folks questioned the power requirements of my intent to light my > entire passenger fleet. > > I am on Digitrax Chief. By its nature, DCC allows for constant lighting. As > for the number of cars involved, I posed the question to Allan Gartner, who > runs the excellent "Wiring For DCC" web site (http://www.wiringfordcc.com). > > He did the math, and responded in all kinds of electroterms that are beyond > me, but said "no problem"! > > He did recommend additional boosters, and even suggested dedicated boosters > in yard areas where large numbers of passenger cars will sit. > --------------------------------------------------------- > Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com > Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in HO Scale. > "Keystone Crossings" - Home of "PRR-Talk" > http://kc.pennsyrr.com > "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products > http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com > Free serving of railroad web sites > http://www.railfancentral.com > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Rob Schoenberg" Subject: RE: [PRR] Re: H21a in O gauge Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:50:45 -0400 Hi all, For some more info on H21's you can check out... http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=H21 Unfortunately I don't have a diagram for the H21/H21a online... Only the H21e which shares a diagram with the H25a... I do have a few H21 photos on the page though... If anyone has a copy of the H21 class diagram that they can scan for me for the site, I'd appreciate it! Also, for info on other classes of PRR cars, visit http://prr.railfan.net/freight Rob http://prr.railfan.net > -----Original Message----- > From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com]On Behalf Of Bruce F. > Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 9:37 AM > To: prr-talk@dsop.com > Subject: Re: [PRR] Re: H21a in O gauge > > > Hi George, > > Several resources that you will find very valuable for this kind of > question are: > 1) PRR EQUIPMENT DIAGRAMS at: http://PRR.Railfan.net/diagrams/ > 2) Volumes 1&2 of the Color Guides to the PRR (I'm blanking on the actual > title right now!) > 3) In addition John Teichmoller's definitive book on PRR hoppers > should be > released sometime this millenium (no, I'm not being cranky, as you will > recall, the millenium end Dec 31, 2000) > > >I stand corrected!!! There is a PRR H21a in O gauge and Weaver > makes it (I > >think). > >I didn't realize that there were 2 rows of bays that dump towards > the center. > > Was there ever a 4-bay PRR hopper (like the one sortof depicted > above)? MTH > >RailKing makes one that claims to be an H21 (but has offset > (smooth) sides > >and doubles as Union Pacific hopper. So is Weaver correct? > > No, Weaver is not correct. These are not H21s. Your initial > statement that > the H21 was a 4 bay hopper is correct. For photos of HO models see: > http://users.multipro.com/westerfield/3251.htm > http://www.bowser-trains.com/HO%20Freight%20Cars/h-21.htm > > Happy Rails > Bruce > > Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. > Scott-Ritchey Research Center > 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) > http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ > > "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - > Benjamin Franklin > __ > / \ > __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ > |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | > | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| > |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| > | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 16:51:03 EDT From: NDBPRR@aol.com Subject: [PRR] Tyco GG1's I notice that these things are selling quite regularly on E bay. Since they are obviously incorrect is there another use for them that I haven't figured out or are the buyers just naive regarding purchase? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 15:42:46 -0700 From: Chuck Friedlein Subject: Re: [PRR] Tyco GG1's Buyers are probably naive about them, but the TYCO design, although misnamed, is taken very closely from a proposed loco design by Raymond Lowey. Maybe some want to model "what might have been". NDBPRR@aol.com wrote: > I notice that these things are selling quite regularly on E bay. Since they are obviously incorrect is there another use for them that I haven't figured out or are the buyers just naive regarding purchase? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:16:30 -0500 From: "doug.kisala" Subject: Re: [PRR] Pennsy BM70nb RPO Walt, list, I did the kitbash; it came out great. I used the Rivarossi car, Eastern Car Works underbody parts, Roundhouse 2935 trucks (2EP5s if memory serves; most of my reference books are now in storage pending a move), a Bethlehem Car Works roof, Champ decals, and some .015 brass wire for the grab irons. I used the first Keystone of 1993 to number the car. It has an exhaustive list of PRR mail/RPO cars; I picked a car that has been preserved. The number escapes me; my BM70nb is in storage at my grandfather's. Some of the work is destructive, like removing the grabs and the fishbelly underframe. Don't lose heart; do this in front of the TV and it will go quickly. Doug Walt Prusick wrote: > Recently purchased Dec 95 RMC which has an article by Bob Kessler > which bashs BM70nb from an AHM/IHC 70' RPO. Has anyone done this > bash? Walt Prusick ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Graeme Nitz" Subject: [PRR] Life Like 0-8-0 Switcher Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:10:24 +1000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFFC93.C8EC88C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Listers, I have been led to believe that the Life Like 0-8-0 Switcher (What a = Model!!!) is hard to get in the US. Shops in Australa still have lots in = stock and I believe at a price cheaper thatn the US!! If anyone is in need of one please contact me. Should be able to land one in the US for about US$180.00 including = Postage and Insurance. 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Listers,
 
I have been led to believe that the = Life Like 0-8-0=20 Switcher (What a Model!!!) is hard to get in the US. Shops in Australa = still=20 have lots in stock and I believe at a price cheaper thatn the = US!!
 
If anyone is in need of one please = contact=20 me.
 
Should be able to land one in the US = for about=20 US$180.00 including Postage and Insurance.
 
Graeme Nitz
PRRT&HS Member = #1313
prr@unite.com.au
An Aussie = "Slobbering=20 Pennsy Freak"
With a touch of Reading.
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFFC93.C8EC88C0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 06:26:28 -0400 Subject: [PRR] Steam Roster Database From: Jerry Britton The searchable steam roster project continues to come along well. http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/steam/ However, there are still a lot of books remaining to have their pictures indexed. I know there are folks out there that a) have the books; and b) have Microsoft Excel. If that sounds like you, please visit the above URL and check out the "project" link. We need your assistance! Thanks to all who have volunteered thus far, and those that are still at it! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@pennsyrr.com Member, PRRT&HS "Merchandise Service", a division of Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc., is a reseller of model railroad and railroadiana products. "MS" is also host to the web site "Keystone Crossings", the domain PENNSYRR.COM, and the mailing lists "PRR-Talk", "Conrail- Talk", and "Reading-Talk". When you purchase through "MS", you are providing financial support to these Internet endeavors. Please visit our eCommerce web site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ------------------------------Thank you!----------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 09:05:56 EDT From: BPX29@aol.com Subject: Re: [PRR] Life Like 0-8-0 Switcher Folks, I've seen this engine at my local shop ($180) and it certainly looks nice. I was wondering if it's made by Roco, like the Y3, or in Red China? Anyone know? Thanks, Barry Peltier ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Walt Prusick" Subject: [PRR] BM70nb (Pennsy RPO in general) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:49:25 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01BFFC6F.52F328A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List, Recently I posted a request for info based upon an article in one = of the model railroad publications.I am very pleased by the response = both on and off line. There appears to be quite a number of members = looking at bashing not only RPO's but diners and other passanger cars as = well utilizing techniques similar to the ones described in the above = mentioned article.=20 There will be a stumbling block in procuring the "high arch" roof. I = have sent a letter to the manufacturer used in the article. His response = is decidedly less than enthuastic or helpful. But he did respond. I will = be contacting the "alternative" source mentioned in the article an see = if they are willing to sell either the "high arch" roof seperately, or = as part of a spue. Hey, you got to sell your product to keep the lights = on. Just a thought, as this seems to be such a hot topic, why don't we sound = off as to what we are looking at as projects over the upcoming Christmas = Season. Who knows, maybe someone has a source for that "impossible" = truck you need? Maybe get started on this list, and if Jerry doesn't = mind, continue this thread for a while (otherwise continue on the QT). Walt Prusick=20 ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01BFFC6F.52F328A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
List, Recently I posted a request for info based = upon an=20 article in one of the model railroad publications.I am very pleased by = the=20 response both on and off line. There appears to be quite a number of = members=20 looking at bashing not only RPO's but diners and other passanger cars as = well=20 utilizing techniques similar to the ones described in the above = mentioned=20 article.
 
There will be a stumbling block in procuring the = "high arch"=20 roof. I have sent a letter to the manufacturer used in the article. His = response=20 is decidedly less than enthuastic or helpful. But he did respond. = I=20 will be contacting the  "alternative" source mentioned in the = article an=20 see if they are willing to sell either the "high arch" roof seperately, = or as=20 part of a spue. Hey, you got to sell your product to keep the lights=20 on.
 
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Ted Andrews Carmel, Indiana -----Original Message----- From: Walt Prusick [mailto:walpru@stargate.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 12:49 PM To: prr-talk@dsop.com Subject: [PRR] BM70nb (Pennsy RPO in general) List, Recently I posted a request for info based upon an article in one of the model railroad publications.I am very pleased by the response both on and off line. There appears to be quite a number of members looking at bashing not only RPO's but diners and other passanger cars as well utilizing techniques similar to the ones described in the above mentioned article. There will be a stumbling block in procuring the "high arch" roof. I have sent a letter to the manufacturer used in the article. His response is decidedly less than enthuastic or helpful. But he did respond. I will be contacting the "alternative" source mentioned in the article an see if they are willing to sell either the "high arch" roof seperately, or as part of a spue. Hey, you got to sell your product to keep the lights on. Just a thought, as this seems to be such a hot topic, why don't we sound off as to what we are looking at as projects over the upcoming Christmas Season. Who knows, maybe someone has a source for that "impossible" truck you need? Maybe get started on this list, and if Jerry doesn't mind, continue this thread for a while (otherwise continue on the QT). Walt Prusick ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:10:16 -0400 From: Andy Miller Subject: Re: [PRR] BM70nb (Pennsy RPO in general) Bethlehem makes a turtle back roof for their M70 and offers is as a separate part! Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org =================================================== "Andrews, Ted" wrote: > > There can be strength in numbers. > > Perhaps ECW may not be receptive to selling one or two roofs to one > modeller. But, if there were dozens of modellers that wnated those roofs and > approached someone with clout like Jerry (sorry if I am dragging you in this > Jerry!!), perhaps ECW may be willing to produce a special run of individual > roofs and sell them in bulk to Jerry who in turn, would sell them to us. > > If that happens, put me down for a dozen ECW arch roofs! > > > Ted Andrews > Carmel, Indiana > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walt Prusick [mailto:walpru@stargate.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 12:49 PM > To: prr-talk@dsop.com > Subject: [PRR] BM70nb (Pennsy RPO in general) > > List, Recently I posted a request for info based upon an article in one of > the model railroad publications.I am very pleased by the response both on > and off line. There appears to be quite a number of members looking at > bashing not only RPO's but diners and other passanger cars as well utilizing > techniques similar to the ones described in the above mentioned article. > > There will be a stumbling block in procuring the "high arch" roof. I have > sent a letter to the manufacturer used in the article. His response is > decidedly less than enthuastic or helpful. But he did respond. I will be > contacting the "alternative" source mentioned in the article an see if they > are willing to sell either the "high arch" roof seperately, or as part of a > spue. Hey, you got to sell your product to keep the lights on. > > Just a thought, as this seems to be such a hot topic, why don't we sound off > as to what we are looking at as projects over the upcoming Christmas Season. > Who knows, maybe someone has a source for that "impossible" truck you need? > Maybe get started on this list, and if Jerry doesn't mind, continue this > thread for a while (otherwise continue on the QT). > > Walt Prusick > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:25:54 -0400 Subject: [PRR] Shays From: Jerry Britton MDC recently came out with an assembled version of their 2-truck Shay. Bachmann Spectrum is coming out with a 3-truck Shay. Thinking about the branch lines of the PRR north of Harrisburg...near Selinsgrove, the Elmira Branch, etc....there were private mining and logging operations. Did any of these use Shays, and were they approximately of the type offered by MDC or Bachmann? I'm thinking about purchasing one, painting it for the local company, and having it sitting around my Harrisburg operation...perhaps for service, whatever. I just think they're cool to watch! --------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in HO Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of "PRR-Talk" http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com Free serving of railroad web sites http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:27:28 -0400 From: Andy Miller Subject: Re: [PRR] Shays Why not just put it on a flat car and have it being shipped west from Baldwin! I know, they're not as cool to watch that way, but they move faster ;-) Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org =================================================== Jerry Britton wrote: > > MDC recently came out with an assembled version of their 2-truck Shay. > Bachmann Spectrum is coming out with a 3-truck Shay. > > Thinking about the branch lines of the PRR north of Harrisburg...near > Selinsgrove, the Elmira Branch, etc....there were private mining and logging > operations. Did any of these use Shays, and were they approximately of the > type offered by MDC or Bachmann? > > I'm thinking about purchasing one, painting it for the local company, and > having it sitting around my Harrisburg operation...perhaps for service, > whatever. I just think they're cool to watch! > --------------------------------------------------------- > Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com > Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in HO Scale. > "Keystone Crossings" - Home of "PRR-Talk" > http://kc.pennsyrr.com > "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products > http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com > Free serving of railroad web sites > http://www.railfancentral.com > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:10:21 EDT Subject: [PRR] GAEX 50-foot box Although they were only 100 cars leased initiatally (1950) and 148-149 when purchased ((1960), I am surprised no one has mentioned Branchline's lettering of their 50 foot AAR box in the 1950 GAEX paint scheme (leased to PRR). I would expect them to do them in the 1961 scheme someday (with Shadow Keystone). I don't know how close to the prototype it is. The sides and ends look to be near-exact for the 1950 car (cars built later in the mid-50's differed) , but I didn't get out the micrometer and rivet-counter. I don't have a photo or diagram of the roof so I can't compare. Does anyone have a suggestion for the high-speed truck (the one in the kit is not correct)? Looks to have a snubber on it. In any case, the sides and ends alone are an improvement on the Athearrn cars (I have the Third Rail Graphics set) which has not a single feature, side, end, roof, etc, which matches the prototype. Pennsy kept the REA green color when they bought them because they didn't want these special load-retaining device cars mixed with the general pool. Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:25:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] GAEX 50-foot box From: Jerry Britton On 8/2/00 1:10 PM, Bobspf@aol.com (Bobspf@aol.com) wrote: > Although they were only 100 cars leased initiatally (1950) and 148-149 when > purchased ((1960), I am surprised no one has mentioned Branchline's lettering > of their 50 foot AAR box in the 1950 GAEX paint scheme (leased to PRR). I > would expect them to do them in the 1961 scheme someday (with Shadow > Keystone). These WERE mentioned...not on PRR-Talk, but on "Merchandise Announce", announcing their availability for Advance Reservations. They are doing two PRR paint schemes. Each is available as a single car or a three pack. --------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in HO Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of "PRR-Talk" http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com Free serving of railroad web sites http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:58:58 -0400 From: Bob Colquitt Subject: [Fwd: Re: [PRR] Shays] -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PRR] Shays Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:56:03 -0400 From: Bob Colquitt Reply-To: wahsatch@vaix.net To: Andy Miller References: <39884BF0.744769C5@mitre.org> Shays were built by Lima in Ohio, so they'd be coming east from the factory. Most loggers and miners stopped using shays and other logging steam engines by the mid-50's. Last shay built was WM #6 outshopped May 14, 1945. The out-of-print PA logging series by Ben Kline is the best source for logging/mining ops in PA. The RR Museum of PA has reprinted, I think, 4 of the series; check their website for available issues. Besides logging & coal mines, some shays were used around power plants - don't need hi speed, need traction. The next-to-last shay, 2 truck, 80 ton, was built for the Dayton [OH] Power & Light in 1937. --Bob Andy Miller wrote: > > Why not just put it on a flat car and have it being shipped west from > Baldwin! > I know, they're not as cool to watch that way, but they move faster ;-) > > Regards, > > Andy Miller > asmiller@mitre.org > > =================================================== > Jerry Britton wrote: > > > > MDC recently came out with an assembled version of their 2-truck Shay. > > Bachmann Spectrum is coming out with a 3-truck Shay. > > > > Thinking about the branch lines of the PRR north of Harrisburg...near > > Selinsgrove, the Elmira Branch, etc....there were private mining and logging > > operations. Did any of these use Shays, and were they approximately of the > > type offered by MDC or Bachmann? > > > > I'm thinking about purchasing one, painting it for the local company, and > > having it sitting around my Harrisburg operation...perhaps for service, > > whatever. I just think they're cool to watch! > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com > > Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in HO Scale. > > "Keystone Crossings" - Home of "PRR-Talk" > > http://kc.pennsyrr.com > > "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products > > http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com > > Free serving of railroad web sites > > http://www.railfancentral.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > > "listserv@dsop.com". > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:09:36 -0400 Subject: [PRR] Still Looking - Makeup of Trains book From: Jerry Britton I'm still looking for a Maryland Division "Makeup of Trains" book from 1954. Contains instructions to yard crews on assembly of passenger trains at Baltimore and Washington. If not from 1954, does anyone have one from between 1948-1956 or so? Same goes for the Philadelphia Terminal Division. I have the New York Division document, but several trains to Harrisburg originated in Philadelphia and are therefore not included. --------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in HO Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of "PRR-Talk" http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com Free serving of railroad web sites http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:21:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Derrick J Brashear Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [PRR] Shays] On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Bob Colquitt wrote: > The out-of-print PA logging series by Ben Kline is the best source for > logging/mining ops in PA. The RR Museum of PA has reprinted, I think, 4 > of the series; check their website for available issues. State Museum of PA had some in their store, as well, the last time I was there. > Besides logging & coal mines, some shays were used around power plants - > don't need hi speed, need traction. The next-to-last shay, 2 truck, 80 > ton, was built for the Dayton [OH] Power & Light in 1937. > --Bob > > > Andy Miller wrote: > > > > Why not just put it on a flat car and have it being shipped west from > > Baldwin! > > I know, they're not as cool to watch that way, but they move faster ;-) > > > > Regards, > > > > Andy Miller > > asmiller@mitre.org > > > > =================================================== > > Jerry Britton wrote: > > > > > > MDC recently came out with an assembled version of their 2-truck Shay. > > > Bachmann Spectrum is coming out with a 3-truck Shay. > > > > > > Thinking about the branch lines of the PRR north of Harrisburg...near > > > Selinsgrove, the Elmira Branch, etc....there were private mining and logging > > > operations. Did any of these use Shays, and were they approximately of the > > > type offered by MDC or Bachmann? > > > > > > I'm thinking about purchasing one, painting it for the local company, and > > > having it sitting around my Harrisburg operation...perhaps for service, > > > whatever. I just think they're cool to watch! > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com > > > Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in HO Scale. > > > "Keystone Crossings" - Home of "PRR-Talk" > > > http://kc.pennsyrr.com > > > "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products > > > http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com > > > Free serving of railroad web sites > > > http://www.railfancentral.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > > > "listserv@dsop.com". > > > > -- > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > > "listserv@dsop.com". > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gregg Mahlkov" Subject: [PRR] Fw: PRR and Shays Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:57:26 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregg Mahlkov" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 2:55 PM Subject: PRR and Shays > I believe the area with the most geared engines in PRR's territory was the > "oil patch" in Northwestern Pennsylvania. Several of the short lines in that > area had geared locomotives and one was powered exclusively by geared > locomotives, perhaps the Sheffield & Tionesta? > > Alas, you would have to be modeling the pre World War II era, though, to > have Shays interchanging with the PRR. > > Gregg Mahlkov > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:25:26 -0700 From: Chuck Friedlein Subject: [PRR] GAEX 50' box car Bob, I don't have one of Branchline's models to check out, but here is a bit of information that may be of help. There were two production runs of these cars; 1950, and 1955. The major spotting difference is the 1955 run has the distinctive horizontal riveted seam in the side sheets half way between the side sill and the roof eave. Also the 1955 production run included some cars equipped with 7'7" plug doors, besides the "standard" 8' sliding door. The PRR received cars from the 1950 production run in series PRR 47100-47209 (ex-GAEX 100000-100109), and cars from the 1955 production run in series PRR 47210-47229 (not sure of the GAEX series #s). Since both runs were essentially the same, they were combined in the ORERs into series PRR 47100-47249; at least they are in the Apr 1969 issue I have, in the PRR reporting marks section of the PC listing, with the 1955 cars identified as having a slightly higher CAPY. Bobspf@aol.com wrote: > Although they were only 100 cars leased initiatally (1950) and 148-149 when > purchased ((1960), I am surprised no one has mentioned Branchline's lettering > of their 50 foot AAR box in the 1950 GAEX paint scheme (leased to PRR). I > would expect them to do them in the 1961 scheme someday (with Shadow > Keystone). I also hope they do the later paint scheme(s) of not only the PRR, but also the other roads that took ownership of their shares of the cars. > I don't know how close to the prototype it is. The sides and ends look to be > near-exact for the 1950 car (cars built later in the mid-50's differed) , but > I didn't get out the micrometer and rivet-counter. I don't have a photo or > diagram of the roof so I can't compare. The roof on both 1950 and 1955 run cars was diagonal panel, and all that I know of had interim improved Dreadnaught ends. > Does anyone have a suggestion for the high-speed truck (the one in the kit is > not correct)? Looks to have a snubber on it. The trucks on these cars were Chrysler FR-5 series, developed jointly between Symington-Gould and Chrysler Corp., which basically looked like a regular AAR standard truck (AKA: "Bettendorf") with a shock absorber (snubber). I don't know of any HO scale trucks made to represent this style, but perhaps it could be sort of kit bashed. > Pennsy kept the REA green color when they bought them because they didn't > want these special load-retaining device cars mixed with the general pool. Many would agree and probably as many would disagree that these were REA green. Dark and medium are the terms most people seem to use. I have samples of the last two actual REA colors, but not of the GAEX cars, so I'm not going to try to say if they match or not. When the cars were turned over to the railroads from GAEX, they were repaired and repainted to the dark green, and the new owner's reporting marks, monogram as applicable, etc., were applied. The reporting marks were in white stenciling, rather than the yellow used by GAEX. To me, in the Pennsy's era of deferring maintenance, and everything else to cut costs, it would seem more logical that this would be the reason they were never painted into PRR freight car red, rather than to maintain a separate identity as having the "DF" loaders. This is pure speculation on my part. Railmodel Journal published some good articles on these cars a few years back. Look in issues dated 3/90, 4/90, 6/90, 9/90, 4/91, and 2/92 for both the articles and miscellaneous photos. There is at least one shot of each production run car in PRR paint among them. Chuck Friedlein ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:04:45 -0400 From: Park Varieties Subject: Re: [PRR] GAEX 50-foot box The Branchline model is the 1950 version of the car . You can check out a picture of the model on our current e-bay auction; item #393177407. As mentioned in another posting, the trucks are not correct but I am sure some resourcful individual will come up with an acceptable solution. Frank Brua Park Varieties Bobspf@aol.com wrote: > Although they were only 100 cars leased initiatally (1950) and 148-149 when > purchased ((1960), I am surprised no one has mentioned Branchline's lettering > of their 50 foot AAR box in the 1950 GAEX paint scheme (leased to PRR). I > would expect them to do them in the 1961 scheme someday (with Shadow > Keystone). > > I don't know how close to the prototype it is. The sides and ends look to be > near-exact for the 1950 car (cars built later in the mid-50's differed) , but > I didn't get out the micrometer and rivet-counter. I don't have a photo or > diagram of the roof so I can't compare. > > Does anyone have a suggestion for the high-speed truck (the one in the kit is > not correct)? Looks to have a snubber on it. > > In any case, the sides and ends alone are an improvement on the Athearrn cars > (I have the Third Rail Graphics set) which has not a single feature, side, > end, roof, etc, which matches the prototype. > > Pennsy kept the REA green color when they bought them because they didn't > want these special load-retaining device cars mixed with the general pool. > > Bob Zoeller > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: PKMac1@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:55:00 EDT Subject: [PRR] PRR and Shays Jerry and List. The Altoona Northern better know as the Wopsononock RR around Altoona had a Heisler type locomotive. 3 of them around 1918 before the road closed and was sold and scraped in the early 20's Pat McKinney ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:05:51 -0400 (EDT) From: bubbles@visi.net Subject: [PRR] BM70nb (Pennsy RPO in general) Hi all... Besides the BM70 stuff...I'd still like to see one of the Box cab electrics come out. Since these engines had some similar dimentions perhaps a way could be found where they could be produced like the building sides are for DPM buildings. The ends of these engines were, if not identical,then very close. (except the B-1 pilots.) There were many windows and vents,but they too were almost identical. All of these parts could be used with a basic shell or modular shell parts to get either a B-1,O-1a,b etc.,L-6,and P-5 classes. You could put the different body panels together to get a given class. You could market just a basic shell or shell modules kit and market the various windows,vents,doors,pilots, etc. such as the way that NERS markets their Pullman parts. The kicker will be the underframe. There are drivers and drives out there that could be adapted. The hardest part will be making the underframe side frames. For this you would have to have four different side frame molds or dies. Perhaps to keep it cheap at first... start with one...say for a P-5 class. Then as they start paying for them selves, make the next side frame mold. I would guess the two that would be most useful would be the P-5a and the L-6. Both lasted into the 1960's when the E-44's were new, and use was'nt limited to just one or two areas on lines east. Just a thought. Til Later Hank Mummert ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Graeme Nitz" Subject: [PRR] Chris Turner Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:38:57 +1000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0133_01BFFD2E.A5720820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, I tried replying to your Email address, but it was returned as = undeliverable. Please contact me direct. I will check availability of an Erie unit today. 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Chris,
 
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Graeme Nitz
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With a touch of Reading.
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:58:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Tyco GG1's From: Michael Allen At the risk of offending those whose own modeling has stopped cold as of the PC merger. I have three of them which I repainted into "modern PRR" schemes on the "its plausible, what if..." premise. This arose from some of the "what if" speculation which occurred in various watering holes in Philadelphia while we were trying to determine what assets of the PC belonged to who. The engineer who was the designated expert witness on motive power told me that when they first became involved in the High-Speed Ground Transportation project one of the alternatives considered was locomotive hauled consists using a new design of locomotive. Some of the sketches were for a C-C motor in a carbody remincent of a streamlined P5. He had painted a Tyco engine and some Bachman Amfleetcars as PRR for his grandchildren. On those nights that I feel like messing with the time-space continium, two of the class BB4s, in tuscan single stripe, sub-lettered for the NRPC, are assigned to through high speed mail and passenger service. Another, in DGLE, narrow stripe, [or a reasonable facsimile for my basement lighting] and sub-lettered for my real-world consulting firm, usually handles a string of Bombardier Comet push-pulls on a turn which looks much like a Clocker. I haven't seen them on E-Bay because I rarely look for such things there. If the sellers are not claiming that they are "authentic models of..." I really don't see a problem. I wouldn't mind having a few more and I know what they are. MEA Michael E. Allen meallen@juno.com _____________________________ PRINCETON TERMINAL RAILWAY Management Services On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 16:51:03 EDT NDBPRR@aol.com writes: > I notice that these things are selling quite regularly on E bay. > Since they are obviously incorrect is there another use for them > that I haven't figured out or are the buyers just naive regarding > purchase? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at > http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:06:44 -0400 Subject: [PRR] Atlas RS-11 Announced From: Jerry Britton Atlas has announced a run of RS-11's, due 10/31/00. Unfortunately, no PRR livery. This would be PRR class AS18m, first purchased in 1956. --------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in HO Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of "PRR-Talk" http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com Free serving of railroad web sites http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: AlbertSR@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:34:54 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] BM70nb (Pennsy RPO in general) Hi Hank & List, I could relate to that very well. Especially the P-5 and B-1. It would take a while for the aquisition, but I would definitely get several. Now what about the E-44's. Al In a message dated 08/02/2000 5:15:04 PM Central Daylight Time, bubbles@visi.net writes: << The ends of these engines were, if not identical,then very close. (except the B-1 pilots.) There were many windows and vents,but they too were almost identical. All of these parts could be used with a basic shell or modular shell parts to get either a B-1,O-1a,b etc.,L-6,and P-5 classes. You could put the different body panels together to get a given class. You could market just a basic shell or shell modules kit and market the various windows,vents,doors,pilots, etc. such as the way that NERS markets their Pullman parts. The kicker will be the underframe. There are drivers and drives out there that could be adapted. The hardest part will be making the underframe side frames. For this you would have to have four different side frame molds or dies. Perhaps to keep it cheap at first... start with one...say for a P-5 class. Then as they start paying for them selves, make the next side frame mold. I would guess the two that would be most useful would be the P-5a and the L-6. Both lasted into the 1960's when the E-44's were new, and use was'nt limited to just one or two areas on lines east. >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 16:30:26 -0400 From: Nick Kulp Subject: Re: [PRR] Life Like 0-8-0 Switcher Listers, I just recieved mine. It is gorgeous !!! And it runs great. I tested it on analog and it can do a "tie-a-minute". This is definitely a Keeper. Nick Kulp At 09:05 AM 8/2/00 EDT, you wrote: >Folks, >I've seen this engine at my local shop ($180) and it certainly looks nice. I was wondering if it's made by Roco, like the Y3, or in Red China? Anyone know? >Thanks, >Barry Peltier > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Dennis @ D & S Hobbies" Subject: Re: [PRR] Life Like 0-8-0 Switcher Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:57:15 -0400 The Heritage/P2K 0-8-0 is made in China. Dennis mailto: Dennis@onerrave.com D & S HOBBIES http://www.onerrave.com 34 Main Street South Bound Brook, NJ 08880 (732) 271-0800 Voice (732) 271-0805 FAX > >Folks, > >I've seen this engine at my local shop ($180) and it certainly looks nice. > I was wondering if it's made by Roco, like the Y3, or in Red China? Anyone > know? > >Thanks, > >Barry Peltier ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:49:39 -0500 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] BM70nb (Pennsy RPO in general) Hank was philosophizing... > > Besides the BM70 stuff...I'd still like to see > one of the Box cab electrics come out. > Since these engines had some similar dimentions > perhaps a way could be found where they could be > produced like the building sides are for > DPM buildings. > The ends of these engines were, > if not identical,then very close. (except the B-1 pilots.) The B-1 is noticably narrower (6" I recall) than the L,O,P series > There were many windows and vents,but they too were almost > identical. All of these parts could be used > with a basic shell or modular shell parts to get > either a B-1,O-1a,b etc.,L-6,and P-5 classes. Sell car ends, pilots (the same except as noted for the B-1), roofs, and sides, and then a detail kit (pantographs, roof details etc) > There are drivers and drives out there that could > be adapted. The hardest part will be making the > underframe side frames. WHERE? I would love to know where I can find 70" spoked drivers without counterweights and with quill drive cups on one side (P5). (note that GG-1 drivers were 60" and could be used for the B-1) >For this you would have > to have four different side frame molds or > dies. But you'll need 4 diferent carbody sides anyway... >Perhaps to keep it cheap at first... > start with one...say for a P-5 class. > Then as they start paying for them selves, > make the next side frame mold. > I would guess the two that would be most useful > would be the P-5a and the L-6. Both lasted > into the 1960's when the E-44's were new, > and use was'nt limited to just one or two > areas on lines east. This was the approach I tried to take with Liberty Models a few years ago...go for the "modular" flat resin kit to build the boxcabs, and find someone who would make a shell casting for the modified P5. I am resigned to trying to scratchbuild some boxcabs to supplement the brass collection, and buying brass for the modifieds (way out of my league for scratchbuilding) Oh Well, Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. 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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 16:46:12 -0500 From: Larry Reynolds Subject: Re: [PRR] Life Like 0-8-0 Switcher Yes Nick: I agree, the ones I picked up from our mutual friend for you and Jeff Warner are indeed gorgeous. And, as far as being a keeper, I also agree, I think I'll keep these for the Altoona Area of the PRR! :-) :-) :-) Larry Nick Kulp wrote: > Listers, > > I just recieved mine. It is gorgeous !!! And it runs great. I tested it on > analog and it can do a "tie-a-minute". This is definitely a Keeper. > > Nick Kulp > > At 09:05 AM 8/2/00 EDT, you wrote: > >Folks, > >I've seen this engine at my local shop ($180) and it certainly looks nice. > I was wondering if it's made by Roco, like the Y3, or in Red China? Anyone > know? > >Thanks, > >Barry Peltier > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > >"listserv@dsop.com". > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [PRR] Life Like 0-8-0 Switcher Hi Guys, Compared to the Roco built 2-8-8-2, does this China built 0-8-0 run just as good? If so I may look into one also and place a PRR/P&LE interchange on the layout for the P&LE service that was located here in the Beaver Falls, Pa. area (P&LE's College Yard via the switching sidings off the PRR's Ft. Wayne Line Main). I believe if I purchase a NYC version all that is needed to convert to P&LE is relettering and renumbering? I have P&LE Loco photos for reference.... Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work! http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Steve Hoxie" Subject: [PRR] For Sale HO K4 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:57:22 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01BFFD74.4616DB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable F. S. HO Red Ball K4s. Very nice model of 5497 as seen in "Pennsy = Steam: A to T", page 133, with "modernized" front end. (5497 was one of = last K4's built; differs from most of the rest of the fleet by having = smoke box support integral to the frame rather than the more common = struts that went from the pilot deck to the smokebox.) Model has been = upgraded with correct PSC/Cary/CalScale detail parts. Drive train = upgraded with KTM idler gearbox and Sagami 2032 motor. Professionally = painted, dulux gold lettering. Model is owned by local modeler Ron Strachan. Long time readers of MR = have seen an article on building PRR E6's from Bowser and Roundhouse = parts and a Model of the Month (non PRR steam) by Ron. Ron is becoming = quite elderly, and asked if I could sell the engine for him. (I want it = myself, but my CFO says no, not even at this price.)=20 $250 plus shipping. I told Ron this is too low, but he insisted. This = is a very, very nice model. Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01BFFD74.4616DB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
F. S.  HO Red Ball K4s. Very = nice model=20 of 5497 as seen in "Pennsy Steam: A to T", page 133, with = "modernized"=20 front end. (5497 was one of last K4's built;  differs from most of = the rest=20 of the fleet by having smoke box support integral to the frame = rather than=20 the more common struts that went from the pilot deck to the = smokebox.)=20 Model has been upgraded with correct PSC/Cary/CalScale detail = parts. Drive=20 train upgraded with KTM idler gearbox and Sagami 2032 motor. = Professionally=20 painted, dulux gold lettering.
 
Model is owned by local modeler Ron = Strachan. =20 Long time readers of MR have seen an article on building PRR E6's = from=20 Bowser and Roundhouse parts and a Model of the Month (non PRR = steam) by=20 Ron.  Ron is becoming quite elderly, and asked if I could sell the = engine=20 for him.  (I want it myself, but my CFO says no, not even at this=20 price.) 
 
$250 plus shipping.  I told Ron = this is too=20 low, but he insisted. This is a very, very nice model.
 
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFFDA0.17D08740-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:06:02 -0400 From: "Michael E. Hauk" Subject: [PRR] Shays >Subject: Shays >From: "Jerry Britton" >Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:25:54 -0400 > >MDC recently came out with an assembled version of their 2-truck Shay. >Bachmann Spectrum is coming out with a 3-truck Shay. > >Thinking about the branch lines of the PRR north of Harrisburg...near >Selinsgrove, the Elmira Branch, etc....there were private mining and logging >operations. Did any of these use Shays, and were they approximately of the >type offered by MDC or Bachmann? > >I'm thinking about purchasing one, painting it for the local company, and >having it sitting around my Harrisburg operation...perhaps for service, >whatever. I just think they're cool to watch! According to Taber's Book No.4, "Sunset Along Susquehanna Waters", the Central Pennsylvania Lumber Co. (CPL) had 10 Shay locomotives at one time or another, and all were sold or scrapped by 1937. The CPL operated several logging railroads north of Williamsport from about 1903-1941. The Susquehanna and New York connected to the Elmira Branch, and owned 2 Shays; both were sold to the CPL in 1913. Both of these engines primarily worked the S&NY's Gray's Run branch, and were sold off when the branch was abandoned after all the timber was cut. There were a relatively large number of smaller lumber outfits that operated up and down the Susquehanna and it's northern and western tributaries, many of which had a Shay or two. According to the Taber books I have, most operated in the 1890-1925 timeframe. Most of these outfits seemed to prefer the Climax engines over the Shays; I seem to recall the Climaxes were less expensive and not as heavy as the Shays, so the logging railroads could then be built to lesser (i.e. cheaper) standards. The engine lists in Taber's books seem to list Climaxes over Shays by a wide numerical margin. 1954 might be a little late to have one around H'burg, but if you like 'em, so what! Mike H. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 01:03:13 -0400 From: Bob Colquitt Subject: [PRR] Unusual Steam in H'burg area (was Shays) Just remembered Harrisburg Steel had a little 0-4-0 fireless cooker that shifted the mill in the mid-50's. After the hurricane came thru in the 70's & flooded out the mill's diesels traction motors, they hooked up the switcher to the boiler & it shifted around. I was getting the solid state rectifier back on line when I heard something that sounded like a steam engine - figured it was a horizontal powering a compressor. The plant electrician said no, it was a steamer. Walked out the door & this little dink was moving a boxcar down the track between the rectifier building & the mill piercer/reheat furnace. The engineer had to really open the throttle up to get the cooker & boxcar up the little grade into the reheat/piercer bldg. Harrisburg Steel took steel billets, reheated them, then pierced with a long bar to make hi-pressure (2000 psi) gas cylinders. After piercing, the cylinders necks were rolled and a hi-pressure valve added. Harrisburg was a small mill by any standard. There was also a mill at Milton that made rebar via 2 small electric arc furnaces. --Bob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Benjamin Frank Hom" Subject: RE: [PRR] Foreign Road Stockcars on FW-8 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 20:01:36 -0700 Did some research on an item someone posted a few weeks back concerning using the AHM NYC double deck stockcar for classes of CB&Q cars - picked up a copy of Burlington Bulletin No. 25, which is a double issue focusing on the Q's livestock operations and a great resource if you can get a copy. The AHM NYC stockcar is not a match for any class of Q stockcars. Out of the plastic models available, the Athearn stockcar is fairly close to CB&Q Class SM-19 (most of them had the earlier rectangular pattern roof with the last few cars receiving the diagonal panel roof as represented by the Athearn car - if you ignore the fact that the panels are molded in the mirror image of what they should be), and the Proto 2000 Mather Cars accurately reflect the cars leased by CB&Q in 1963 (making cars in this paint scheme contemporary with the PRR K9 and K11 cars). Now back to piecing together the picture on FW-8... Ben Hom P.S. Greg Martin's PA's are worth the price of admission - the amount of research done is impressive, and his article is well worth the wait if you plan on building a set! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Sam Vastano" Subject: [PRR] Prr Bachman Plus F7's Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 07:12:42 EDT Hi group, To all the rivit counters, How does this engine compare to the real Pennsy? Also the B unit? Thanks Sam ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Sam Vastano" Subject: Re: [PRR] Prr Bachman Plus F7's Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 07:50:08 EDT While I am asking, What about the Walthers FA units & FA B units? Sam >From: "Sam Vastano" >To: PRR-Talk@dsop.com >Subject: [PRR] Prr Bachman Plus F7's >Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 07:12:42 EDT > >Hi group, > > >To all the rivit counters, How does this engine compare to the real Pennsy? >Also the B unit? > > >Thanks > >Sam > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 08:47:02 -0500 From: Larry Reynolds Subject: Re: [PRR] Life Like 0-8-0 Switcher Gary: I've yet to see the 2 8 8 2 so I can't comment on the comparison. All I can say is that the 0 8 0 runs like a Swiss watch. Larry Gary Mittner wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Compared to the Roco built 2-8-8-2, does this China built 0-8-0 run > just as good? If so I may look into one also and place a PRR/P&LE > interchange on the layout for the P&LE service that was located here in > the Beaver Falls, Pa. area (P&LE's College Yard via the switching > sidings off the PRR's Ft. Wayne Line Main). I believe if I purchase a > NYC version all that is needed to convert to P&LE is relettering and > renumbering? I have P&LE Loco photos for reference.... Gary > > Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work! > http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and > http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:21:05 -0500 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] Unusual Steam in H'burg area (was Shays) >Just remembered Harrisburg Steel had a little 0-4-0 fireless cooker that >shifted the mill in the mid-50's. After the hurricane came thru in the >70's & flooded out the mill's diesels traction motors, they hooked up >the switcher to the boiler & it shifted around. The Electric Generating at Holtwood also had a "fireless cooker" at least through the 50's.... Hmmm, maybe what we need is a model of a fireless cooker!!! Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gregg Mahlkov" Subject: Re: [PRR] Prr Bachman Plus F7's Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:24:18 -0400 RE: Bachmann Plus F-7's. As far as the N scale ones go, I added trainphone antennae, lift rings in front, and changed to a single 3-chime horn on the engineer's side. But, the pilot is wrong, all PRR F's had "passenger" pilots while Bachmann's F's have the more common "freight" pilot. The 48" dynamic brake fan was not even an F7 feature, but used on F9's. This would be the only thing wrong on the "B" units. Gregg Mahlkov ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Vastano" To: Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [PRR] Prr Bachman Plus F7's > While I am asking, What about the Walthers FA units & FA B units? > > Sam > > > > >From: "Sam Vastano" > >To: PRR-Talk@dsop.com > >Subject: [PRR] Prr Bachman Plus F7's > >Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 07:12:42 EDT > > > >Hi group, > > > > > >To all the rivit counters, How does this engine compare to the real Pennsy? > >Also the B unit? > > > > > >Thanks > > > >Sam > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > >"listserv@dsop.com". > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "rholden" Subject: [PRR] K-4s Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:45:49 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFFDF8.C55BAEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve...Address as Follows: 705 West Myrtle Street Littlestown, Pa. 17340 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFFDF8.C55BAEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0033_01BFFE3E.1BB90140-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Subject: Re: [PRR] Fishbelly reefers? Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:37:34 -0400 From: Dennis Rockwell On 24 Jul, BPX29@aol.com wrote: > [ ... ] Seems to me most > of them were milk cars rather than pure reefers, and many of them were owned > by dairy operations. (Seems there were some express reefers of this > configuration, though I don't think they were REA owned). These shots are on the Horseshoe curve; were there milk services that traversed that trackage? > One sure giveaway would be the absence of ice hatchs; most milk cars were > actually insulated 'box cars' or disguised tank cars. I took a closer look, and there are several cars of this description that are (apparently) identical except that some have ice hatches, and some don't. > You might take a look > at the F&C resin car kits in the Walthers HO catalog to see if any of their > many cars match up with what you've seen. Might be a starting point for > modeling tips. Thanks! Dennis ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:54:10 -0700 (PDT) From: robert netzlof Subject: Re: [PRR] Fort Wayne Yard --- "Andrews, Ted" wrote: > I am looking for maps or aerial photos for the PRR > yards in Fort Wayne, > Indiana. Have any of you seen such information > published? You are familiar with terraserver.microsoft.com? If not, go there and try it out. Only rather recent stuff, though. > I would prefer information on the yard during the > PRR days and especially > with steam. I do have USGS Quad maps but they have > been updated over the > years and not really accurate as far as the yard is > concerned. > The Department of Agriculture has had a program of aerial photography going since the late mid-30's. It's been years since I looked into getting any photos. At that time, the older materials were housed at the National Archives because they were on nitrate-base film and therefore highly flammable. The Archives had the right storage conditions, Agriculture didn't. Don't know how things are organized now. "PRR days" covers a lot of days. Some of those days, depending on your interest, may go back into the non-safety film coverage. The National Archives has a web site at: http://www.nara.gov/ Haven't poked around there to see what info they may have on aerial photography. At worst, I suppose they would have an e-mail address and you could ask. Bonne chance, mon brave. ===== Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RGortowski@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:17:47 EDT Subject: [PRR] PRR] Foreign Road Stockcars on FW-8 Ben Horn wrote: Did some research on an item someone posted a few weeks back concerning using the AHM NYC double deck stockcar for classes of CB&Q cars - picked up a copy of Burlington Bulletin No. 25, which is a double issue focusing on the Q's livestock operations and a great resource if you can get a copy List, This issue, a 136 page Bulletin is available from www.burlingtonroute.com and sells for $15.00 plus postage. It is a comprehensive look at the Q's stock cars and has a nice section on the Mather cars. A great resource. Rich Gortowski ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 20:43:36 -0400 From: Bob Colquitt Subject: [PRR] Re: Unusual Steam in H'burg area - Harrisburg Steel Craig, It's been a few years since the hurricane roared up the Susquehanna & flooded over the banks; 1972? After the waters receded, I went to Hershey Chocolate at the old factory & got the boiler room running again, 4160 volt gear. It was the start of many 12 to 16 hour days up & down the river getting companies back on line. I was at H'burg Steel about 12 hours total over 2 days. The fireless cooker was a 0-4-0. Can't remember if the outside shell was rounded on the front or square (flat face). For some odd reason, I think the nose was dished. Seeing & hearing it was a bright light while seeing the devastation all around. The RR Museum of PA has a cooker inside. H'burg Steel made at least 2 types of cylinders; the 5+/- foot & short 2+ footers; can see these on a gas supply truck. In those days cylinders were shipped by rail & truck. The headquarters bldg was on a small hillside. I can remember a yard with a gantry crane - that's where the diesels were stored waiting for their traction motors, possibly Alcos. Believe there was an elevated track so HS may have made their own steel at one time or may have bought them from other mills in PA. The billets were long & square. After reheating in the reheat furnace, the billet was placed in a mold & skewered with a long steel pole. Didn't get to see the neck forming operation. What's nice about HS is it was a small mill, just right for an empty corner. Gons/flats with steel billets, boxcars & small truck trailers with outgoing cylinders. If they produced their own steel, add coal/coke & ore cars. If electric arc furnaces, then gons with scrap and boxcars for the carbon electrodes. If you get a chance to see a steel mill in operation, go for the tour. Since most are electric arc furnaces nowadays, take some heavy duty ear plugs along! I was hustled off to a sewage pumping station up river so the plants in the outlying could call people back to work; because of the hours worked & time since, it's sort of a blur. If there is a historical society in H'burg, that's where I'd start first. Also check local map atlas for general layout. The tax department/assessor should still have the maps & other info on bldgs, etc. for property tax valuation purposes. It wouldn't hurt to put a personal ad in the newspaper for old retirees to respond to. --Bob Craig Bowman wrote: > > Hi Bob! > I saw your post on PRR-Talk about the > fireless cooker used by Harrisburg Steel > in the '50s. Very Interesting! Would you > happen to remember what color it was? > I have an article from Trains(?) that showed > the 0-6-0 used by the PP&L plant at > Shamokin. Neat little beast, yellow in > color. > Like Jerry Brittion, I'm interested in modeling > Harrisburg, but in '56. I knew that H'burg Steel > produced high pressure cylinders, but didn't know > much beyond that. What size cylinders did they make? > The smaller, 5 foot tall kinds or larger, industrial > tanks, or both? And how did they ship the finished > product? Boxcar? Gon? I assume they produced > their own billets, but what did they look like? > Large flat slabs or what? > If you can shed any light on these issues I would > appreciate hearing from you. I still don't know > just how much space I'll have for modeling purposes, > but I have considered including some part of the > local steel mills. My father's side of the family > grew up in Shipoke and quite a few worked in > the mills. > > Thanks for listening! > Craig Bowman ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 23:47:28 -0400 (EDT) From: bubbles@visi.net Subject: [PRR] R-50b on other lines Hello folks... Well we all (well some of us) were wondering if the R-50b was run anywhere else besides the Pennsy and AT&SF...Ok i submit this... In the September 1958 issue of "Trains" magazine on pages 38 and 39 is a picture of Central of Georgia train No. 2 taken at Irondale,Ala. in 1946. Now if that second car behind the engine is'nt a R-50b i'll eat a box car. Do enough digging and you can find them. Til Later Hank Mummert ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 23:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] Slightly Off Topic-Builders Plate, Hi Guys, This may be a little off-topic but I wanted to throw this out to someone who may be of some help. Located at http://community.webtv.net/mittner/INTERESTINGITEMS/ is a photo of a Builders Plate? Got any opinions as to what this may have come from. It looks like the construction number is either 4944 or 4344. Date is 1898. I never seen one with the words SCHENECTADY LOCOMOTIVE WORKS. Is this pre Alco Loco Works? Could this be a Pennsy Plate? I have no books with this kind of info. Thanks in advance..... Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work! http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 23:22:40 -0700 Subject: [PRR] Bowser N Scale N5 Cabin & other National Train Show news From: "Doug and Marianne" I met Lew and Lee English of BOWSER at the National Train Show in San Jose today. They had samples of their new N scale N5 cabin car and they look great. The detail is excellent with scale rivet detail. The wood roof walk molded separately and is very fine. The end railings, crash posts, and steps look good. The printing is excellent. The correct PRR trucks are being cast. Lee gave me a sample and I have posted photos of it at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=637118&a=7529380 It will be available in 30 paint schemes including 12 PRR versions, and other versions for Conrail, PC, NH, LIRR, Amtrak, Cambria and Indiana, Detroit & Mackinac, PRSL, and B&M. The retail price will IS $24.95, which is not inexpensive, but this is an excellent model and the only alternative would be brass at well over $100. If this one does well, the N5c will follow. Other National Train Show News: KEY had a sample of their N scale brass PRR T1 4-4-4-4 due in September and it looks spectacular. MODEL RAILROAD STONEWORKS is now producing some of their plaster PRR stone bridges in N Scale including Rockville Bridge (8 arches) and a high stone arch viaduct. DES PLAINES HOBBIES will have something next spring "that will make N scale Pennsy modelers very happy." What that was they did not say, but Des Plaines has been producing passenger car kits with injection molded sides. Des Plaines Hobbies also had their new N scalefull width passenger car diaphrams on display and they seem to work very well. GHQ is very interested in "pushing the envelope" for N scale steam with more kits and detail parts such as their PRR L1 conversion kit for the Kato Mike. Back to the show tomorrow. Doug Nelson. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Wayne S. Betty" Subject: [PRR] Harrisburg Steel Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 06:49:21 -0400 Howdy Guys: I don't have a picture of the fireless cooker, but I do have picture of this side rod Whitcomb or is it a Porter, http://www.wsbcos.com/hbgsteel5.jpg Anyway I took the picture in October 1987, it was sitting under the State Street bridge, that's the shadow in the picture. Note the now replace Transportation bldg in the background too! Cos Craig, I was at H'burg Steel about 12 hours total over 2 days. The fireless cooker was a 0-4-0. Can't remember if the outside shell was rounded on the front or square (flat face). For some odd reason, I think the nose was dished. Seeing & hearing it was a bright light while seeing the devastation all around. The RR Museum of PA has a cooker inside. --Bob Craig Bowman wrote: > > Hi Bob! > I saw your post on PRR-Talk about the > fireless cooker used by Harrisburg Steel > in the '50s. Very Interesting! Would you > happen to remember what color it was? > I have an article from Trains(?) that showed > the 0-6-0 used by the PP&L plant at > Shamokin. Neat little beast, yellow in > color. Cos President and CBW Cos Communications, Inc. Home of the Lancaster & Atlantic Rail Road Home Page Railroad Pages ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Daniels" Subject: Re: [PRR] Slightly Off Topic-Builders Plate, Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 07:18:00 -0700 Gary and all, SCHENECTADY LOCOMOTIVE WORKS was one of the companies that was merged to become American Locomotive Works (ALCO). The number is definately 4944 (my monitor might have better resolution than yours). I don't know what locomotive it came from, if indeed it came from a locomotive. As to it's being off a Pennsy locomotive, it is highly unlikely, since by 1898 the PRR was either utilizing it's own Altoona shops or on-line builders such as Baldwin or Lima (for Lines West) for all it's locomotove orders. Bill Daniels ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gregg Mahlkov" Subject: Re: [PRR] Lettering Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 18:25:45 -0400 I use Microscale, but I'm in N, so Champ decals are not available. I will say that Microscale is not uniform in color used. A 20 year old set has a color closer to the 'buff' used after 1954 than a set bought in the '90's. Gregg Mahlkov ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Deimling" To: "PRR Talk" Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 6:13 PM Subject: [PRR] Lettering > Who has the best decal color rendering of the dulux color used on diesels in > the early to middle 1950s? Is Champ better than Microscale? > Thanks, > Gene Deimling > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Gene Deimling" Subject: [PRR] Lettering Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:13:29 -0700 Who has the best decal color rendering of the dulux color used on diesels in the early to middle 1950s? Is Champ better than Microscale? Thanks, Gene Deimling ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 17:18:20 -0700 (PDT) From: robert netzlof Subject: [PRR] Jerry's longing for a Shay (long) I looked at the low-numbered books of the Logging Ralroad Era of Lumbering in Pennsylvania. Book 1 covers Dauphin, Lancaster, Lebanon, Northumberland, Montour, Union, Snyder, Mifflin, Juniata, Perry, Cumberland, Fulton, and Franklin counties. Adams and York counties are omitted, which I take to mean that Taber, Kline and Casler didn't know of any logging railroads in those counties. If the information in that book is to be used to justify having a Shay hanging aroung Harrisburg in 1954, the news is pretty grim. There weren't very many Shays (Climax seemed to have been the brand of choice), the few Shays there were were 36 or 42 inch gauge, and the latest date mentioned was in the 1920's. Book 2 covers the activities of the Whitmer and Steele companies, geographically, a strip running from eastern Centre county through northern Snyder county and an area in central Clearfield county. Unfortunately for Jerry, they had only one Shay, (in Clearfield county at that), it was 42 inch gauge, they didn't like it, and sold it. Book 3 gives some hope. It covers Bradford, Susquehanna, Wyoming, Luzerne, Columbia, and Sullivan counties, and that part of Lycoming county east of the Elmira Division/Branch. North of Williamsport, the PRR interchanged with the Susquehanna and New York, a standard gauge RR which operated in the interest of a lumber company headquartered at Laquin, now a ghost town. There is also some reference to mining activity in the area, but since TK&C are writing about logging RR's, they say no more about that. The S&NY or the logging company had several Shays. The bad news is that the logging company was out of business by 1932. Further, I don't think of the area northeast of Williamsport as anywhere near Harrisburg. Book 4, Tioga, Clinton, and the rest of Lycoming counties, tells of the rather extensive North Bend & Kettle Creek RR operation which interchanged with the PRR Renovo Division at North Bend, had Shays, was standard gauge. But again, time is the enemy. One picture includes an Empire Line boxcar, a bad sign if you're thinking 1954. The operation appears to have closed down in or before 1910. Besides, North Bend is pretty far out in the boondocks to explain something in Harrisburg. There were also Central Pennsylvania Lumber Co. operations on Pine Creek (unfortunately, NYC country) and a couple small ones along Lycoming Creek north of Williamsport. CPL seemed to prefer standard gauge, and had Shay's. But, operations closed down in or before 1921. One ray of hope. When Whitmer and Steele sold their Shay, it went to "...a coal company in Eastern Pennsylvania". As noted above, the books were written about logging and mention mining only in passing, or in explaining what a prop timber is. They do not pretend to list nor describe RR's operated by mining companies, unless it was the Timber Department of the mining company. So, there may have been one or more Shays operated by mining companies. That hope, however, seems quite dim. But if Jerry will purchase sufficient options for his modeller's license, including but not limited to the 40 Year Time Warp, the Geographic Distortion Option, and perhaps the Gauge Transform Option, a Shay fits right in to Harrisburg, circa 1954. In other words, some really creative lying is going to be needed.