From: "Al Buchan" Subject: [PRR] Calendar Photo Caption Error Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 10:19:57 -0400 I was much surprise this morning when I turned my PRR 2000 calendar (Published by Weekend Chief, Mineola, NY) forward to July and was staring at four sharks along the Erie, PA lake front. Then I read the caption - its dead wrong. In as much as the train is running along the lake front in Erie, PA adjacent to Dock Street this places it between Dock Jct. yard and OD yard. From the angle of the sun one can determine the train is eastbound. The caption states "it has just begun it 218 mile trip to Williamsport." This is dead wrong. Trains from Erie to Williamsport typically depart from OD yard, this train has yet to arrive at OD yard. This is most likely either train BEC-2 (Chicago-Buffalo) or train EP-1 (Conway-Erie) having come off the E&P Branch. This is further substantiated by the motive power - class BF16 number 9739, which was equipped with ATS, in order to run on the NYC from Girard Jct. to Dock Jct. Units equipped with ATS would typically not have been dispatched east beyond OD yard (i.e., to Williamsport). They were generally restricted to the E&P and other runs where ATS equipped units were required. Suggested caption is below: PRR ATS equipped BF16 - 9739 most likely has either train BEC-2 (Chicago-Buffalo) or EP-1 (Conway-Erie) in tow along the Erie, PA Lake Front as it passes the PenElec generating station plant on Front Street. This merchandise train has previously come off the E&P Branch and the NYC between Girard Junction and Dock Junction and is enroute to OD Yard. Courtesy of Bob's Photos. Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: PC-Buff@webtv.net Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 19:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] Newberry Yard Took a trip to Newberry Yard in Williamsport this morning. Took a lot of interesting photos. There is a flat car built in 9-24 for boom crane service there. Lots of old Reading(D+H) XLj boxcars. Too much there to put on list but if you are interested drop me an E-Mail off list and I will explain more. John MP 258 (SF) Sunbury Pa ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: DPoole17@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 20:19:26 EDT Subject: [PRR] CONDUCTOR'S BRASS I have a set of PRR Conductor's buttons and lapel pins. (4) Lapel pins, (5) large Jacket Buttons and (9) small Vest Buttons. Mint condition. Does anyone know their value?? I also have a set of PC buttons and lapel pins and a CONRAIL lapel pin. Dpoole17@aol.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Dmurp670@cs.com Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:23:12 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Calendar Photo Caption Error In a message dated 7/1/00 10:32:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, abbuchan@home.com writes: > > I was much surprise this morning when I turned my PRR 2000 calendar > (Published by Weekend Chief, Mineola, NY) forward to July and was staring at > four sharks along the Erie, PA lake front. Then I read the caption - its > dead wrong. > > In as much as the train is running along the lake front in Erie, PA adjacent > to Dock Street this places it between Dock Jct. yard and OD yard. From the > angle of the sun one can determine the train is eastbound. The caption > states "it has just begun it 218 mile trip to Williamsport." This is dead > wrong. Trains from Erie to Williamsport typically depart from OD yard, this > train has yet to arrive at OD yard. > > This is most likely either train BEC-2 (Chicago-Buffalo) or train EP-1 > (Conway-Erie) having come off the E&P Branch. This is further substantiated > by the motive power - class BF16 number 9739, which was equipped with ATS, > in order to run on the NYC from Girard Jct. to Dock Jct. Units equipped with > ATS would typically not have been dispatched east beyond OD yard (i.e., to > Williamsport). They were generally restricted to the E&P and other runs > where ATS equipped units were required. > > Suggested caption is below: > > PRR ATS equipped BF16 - 9739 most likely has either train BEC-2 > (Chicago-Buffalo) or EP-1 (Conway-Erie) in tow along the Erie, PA Lake Front > as it passes the PenElec generating station plant on Front Street. This > merchandise train has previously come off the E&P Branch and the NYC between > Girard Junction and Dock Junction and is enroute to OD Yard. Courtesy of > Bob's Photos. > Sorry! The train is not enroute to OD yard. OD is behind the train. The sun angle is a setting sun therefore, it is westbound leaving Lake Yard headed to Dock Junction and the E&P branch. The engines are between French St. and State St. It may be a BEC train or perhaps EP2. There is no Dock St. in Erie. I live here in Erie and am very familiar with the location of the shot. Just above the engines at the top of the bluff on the right is Hamot Hospital where in 1961 when I was 10 I watched trains depart this yard while hospitalized for a couple of weeks. Lake yard is still there although it has been downsized and the throat moved east a block or so. The track today extends west only a half mile or so to the GAF plant at Sassafras St. Don Murphy Recreating Operations on the Renovo and the E&A Divisions circa 1946 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: STEVEGG1@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:41:04 EDT Subject: [PRR] Monkton I goofed. The Northern Central book is by Gunnarsson not Harwood. Sorry ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 23:45:27 +0100 From: Ken Meyer Subject: Re: [PRR] Orangeville, MD questions I believe Orangeville was closed in 1983. This was under Conrail. Conan Evans wrote: > > Can anyone say about when the Orangeville engine facility was closed? Was > it Conrail or Penn Central that closed it? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Andy Miller Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 09:59:09 -0400 Subject: [PRR-FAX] L1 Doghouses I seem to recall seeing photos of some L1's with the modern 3-man tender doghouse. This is the doghouse that was used on J1s, Q's, and retrofitted to some I1s. Can anyone confirm (or deny) that L1's ever had tenders with this doghouse? -- Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Need a credit card? Instant Approval and 0% intro APR with Aria! http://click.egroups.com/1/6034/8/_/586931/_/962633982/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Bigler" Subject: [PRR] Fw: PRR-Talk Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:52:45 -0400 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Bigler To: Jerry Britton Date: Thursday, July 06, 2000 5:01 PM Subject: PRR-Talk >Jerry, > >I seem to be having a problem with PRR-Talk - I haven't received any >messages for a week or two, maybe more. I sent a message to "listmaster" >this morning, but got a message back that there are problems delivering it. >Am I having a problem, or is PRR-Talk having a problem? Or both? Am I >still on the list? I'd appreciate it if you could get me straightened out >and back to getting messages again. > >Thanks in advance for your help! > >Bill Bigler >Big Flats NY >Modeling PRR Renovo Div. WWII > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: K-4sDRIVER@webtv.net (Mark Lehman) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] TEST IS this list still active. No mail in a day or two!!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: LeeRainey@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 20:02:17 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Fw: PRR-Talk In a message dated 7/8/2000 4:55:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wbigler@stny.rr.com writes: << I seem to be having a problem with PRR-Talk - I haven't received any >messages for a week or two, maybe more >> They have been sparse here too, Bill. Let's test this out. I got your post. Let me knwo if you see mine. Lee ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: BPX29@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:45:41 EDT Subject: [PRR] New Athearn Stuff Folks, I get notices now and again regarding plans at Athearn. I hear tell they plan to release a new diesel in their regular line (which will be receiving new drives, by the way), another Genesis steamer, and Genesis box car(s) kits, all by the end of the year. Anyone have any notion what these models could be? Thanks, Barry Peltier ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: JoeBlatz@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 20:14:20 EDT Subject: [PRR] Test Message THIS A TEST MESSAGE EVERYONE PLEASE REPLY! Thank You ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Sam Vastano" Subject: [PRR] Is anybody out there??? Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:54:23 EDT I haven't received any message all day what is up? everybody on vacation? Sam ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Trombone Man" Subject: [PRR] Triumph Series Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:56:47 -0400 Does anyone have a listing of the order for the Triumph Series of books on the PRR? I know where some great bridge reconstruction photographs are for the Allegheny Valley branch in Armstrong County that would be superb for their efforts. Dennis F. Cramer--Teacher-Trombonist-Historian-Conductor www.geocities.com/armconband ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "W. Terry Stuart" Subject: Re: [PRR] Test Message Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 20:43:13 -0400 TEST MESSAGE RECEIVED O.K. HERE. -----Original Message----- From: JoeBlatz@aol.com To: PRR-Talk@dsop.com Date: Saturday, July 08, 2000 9:02 PM Subject: [PRR] Test Message >THIS A TEST MESSAGE > >EVERYONE PLEASE REPLY! > >Thank You > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: AlbertSR@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 20:58:00 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Test Message I got the test. Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: K-4sDRIVER@webtv.net (Mark Lehman) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] PRR H6a #1922 Hello, I'm looking for info on H6a #1922. Gary dug up a little for me. He figures 1900 to 1902. I'd like to find out exactly when it was built.( year) Was it updated? Thanks Mark L . ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] Just a Test...... Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work! http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: KEMACPRR@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:31:54 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Test Message I got the message ok here. Ken McCorry ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:51:14 -0400 Subject: [PRR] Black Gold- Black Diamonds II From: Fred G Rea Some of you may have been waiting for this. Black Gold-Black Diamonds Volume II is now taking pre-publication orders. Trains magazine for August 2000, pg 87. Fred Rea ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "S J Lash" Subject: [PRR] Test msg Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:46:48 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0086_01BFE926.04601CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This test ok There have been no messages on the board for a few = days. Jim Lash ------=_NextPart_000_0086_01BFE926.04601CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This test = ok      =20 There have been no messages on the board for a few days.   Jim = Lash
------=_NextPart_000_0086_01BFE926.04601CE0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: DWa9975062@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:01:32 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Test Message A 0kay ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:17:53 -0700 (PDT) From: robert netzlof Subject: [PRR] 1918 CT1000 Does anyone on the list own a 1918 CT1000 or know of a library which has one? If so, would you e-mail me off-list to discuss a photo-copy? On a similar topic, anyone know a good source for hens' teeth? ===== Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:26:49 -0400 (EDT) From: bubbles@visi.net Subject: [PRR] PRR hats Hello folks... Someone might know where to find this... I know that Narhwood Inc. of Philadelphia made both PRR and PC uniforms and that another company supplied the hats. Perhaps more than one over the years. I have both the uniform and hat that were my dads,but the label for the hat is gone. Its a winter hat. I know that before the 1950's the hats had three white stripes around them and that a cloth conductors badge was used,then later a simple brass conductors badge and finally the "Keystone" badge. Various companies supplied the buttons over the years. 1. Does anyone know the name of the hat supplier ? 2. Are they still in business ? 3. If not..does anyone know of a company that supplies similar or identical hats. I'm in the process of getting together complete uniforms for both PRR and PC. I think PRR's supplier might be still in business. They might have also supplied Reading,PRSL,PRT and Septa. Any help will be appreciated. Til Later Hank Mummert ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:45:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Bruce F Smith Subject: [PRR] Re: [PRR-FAX] ***Other = PRR-Modeling Group started ! Geeez, Take a break, PRR-talk is operating just fine...relax, and stick to the FACTS Happy Rails Bruce On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, John F. Ryan, Jr. wrote: > I believe that Jerry is on vacation through tomorrow and probabkly doesn't know that something has > happened to his site. > > John Ryan > > Bill Strassner wrote: > > > ***For those of you suffering for days from DGLE discussion withdrawal, > > there is now a PRR Modeling Group formed at = > > > > PRR-Modeling@egroups.com > > > > This is a free form, un-moderated interchange for the sharing of modeling > > ideas and interests, and hopefully pix ! > > > > Hopefully, it will be as friendly, informative and polite as Our Other PRR > > Lists have been ! > > > > Thx, Bill Strassner*-* > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com: > http://click.egroups.com/1/5530/8/_/586931/_/963106051/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > "PENNSY Spoken Here" As We Enjoy Sharing Factual Information While Remembering Our PRR Heritage. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:49:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Bruce F Smith Subject: Re: [PRR] Test Message Aw come on Joe, You've got to be NUTS...you want 500+ subscribers to reply back????? PLEASE do NOT respond...PRR talk is working just fine - Jerry is on vacation, and something IS wrong with his personal email account, the be the lists are working A OK...so lets get back to the PRR and stop testing the list! Happy Rails Bruce On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 JoeBlatz@aol.com wrote: > THIS A TEST MESSAGE > > EVERYONE PLEASE REPLY! > > Thank You > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:13:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Derrick J Brashear Subject: [PRR] Thanks for Lines West hints... My trip to Nebraska wasn't particularly fruitful in terms of PRR sights seen; I didn't get to Crestline until well after dark (it was almost dark when I got to Alliance), and because of time pressure I went on to the vicinity of Fort Wayne before calling it a night. There is a nice bridge over US30 somewhere west of Fort Wayne with PRR keystones cast in the concrete, but I didn't manage to get pictures. On the way back it was dark during most of my time in PRR territory as well, but after seeing enough to whet my appetite I hope to make it at least back to Crestline sometime soon. Thanks for the suggestions... -D -incidentally, I don't know what the deal is with jumping on the few-day outage of this list as an opportunity to create another one is; What's so great about fragmenting the PRR community? Having many places to have the same topic come up disjointly seems like a huge waste. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Jim Gehrett" Subject: RE: [PRR] C-Liner Trainphone Installation Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:59:14 -0500 > For those planning to add trainphones to their Life Like Proto 1000 FM > C-Liners, Jerry Breon has been kind enough to provide five detail photos of > the installation on his Overland brass C-Liner. > > You may view these images on his layout's web site at... > > http://kc.pennsyrr.com/layouts/breon/ > --------------------------------------------------------- > Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Those are great pictures. Does anyone know if the antennas are available for sale and by which manufacturer? Thanks. Jim Gehrett ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: 6 Jul 2000 05:05:25 -0700 From: james bacon Subject: [PRR] Renovo report Spent the night in Renovo, Pa. Saturday-Sunday. The new company moving into town is starting to clear some land at the west end of the old yard site; between the highway bridge and the coal dock. Local paper stated that they purchased 8 acres. Being as the whole yard occupied 80, perhaps their new building will not encroach on the old shop buildings. Several trains passed thru during the night. One was empties north, then loads (coal) south 2 hours later with same power; likely from Keating Jct off RJCP. Another fast but short train, probably the "mini-train", the unit log train for International Paper passed thru southbound about 4:00 AM. Then two manifests, one south and one north. Both stopped for fresh crews. Yes, I stay at the same motel where the crews change. NS has changed train symbols; from the check-in sheet at the motel I saw symbols such as 40T, 21T, 13W, and M3W. Anyone out there know what these mean????? Jeff, please respond to this as I suspect there may be something wrong with my e-maill inbox. Later, Jim Bacon _______________________________________________________________________ $1 million in prizes! 20 daily instant winners. AltaVista Rewards: Click here to win! http://shopping.altavista.com/e.sdc?e=3 _______________________________________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: 6 Jul 2000 05:05:25 -0700 From: james bacon Subject: [PRR] Renovo report Spent the night in Renovo, Pa. Saturday-Sunday. The new company moving into town is starting to clear some land at the west end of the old yard site; between the highway bridge and the coal dock. Local paper stated that they purchased 8 acres. Being as the whole yard occupied 80, perhaps their new building will not encroach on the old shop buildings. Several trains passed thru during the night. One was empties north, then loads (coal) south 2 hours later with same power; likely from Keating Jct off RJCP. Another fast but short train, probably the "mini-train", the unit log train for International Paper passed thru southbound about 4:00 AM. Then two manifests, one south and one north. Both stopped for fresh crews. Yes, I stay at the same motel where the crews change. NS has changed train symbols; from the check-in sheet at the motel I saw symbols such as 40T, 21T, 13W, and M3W. Anyone out there know what these mean????? Jeff, please respond to this as I suspect there may be something wrong with my e-maill inbox. Later, Jim Bacon _______________________________________________________________________ $1 million in prizes! 20 daily instant winners. AltaVista Rewards: Click here to win! http://shopping.altavista.com/e.sdc?e=3 _______________________________________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: KEMACPRR@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:38:45 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] 1918 CT1000 Bob The only years as far as I know that a CT 1000 was printed were 1923 and 1945. I've never seen one earlier or later than those. There must of been one done before the 1923 one but I've never seen one or heard of the date. I think Jerry has a copy of the 1923 one on Keystone Crossings. I know he has the 1945 one as I loaned it to him to scan. ---------------------------------- Ken McCorry ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Benjamin Frank Hom" Subject: [PRR] RE: Autumn 1982 Keystone (Chicago Terminal Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 00:11:45 -0700 Aloha Pennsy listers, Looking for a copy (photocopy OK) of the Autumn 1982 issue of The Keystone featuring the Chicago Terminal Division and Englewood, IN. Will cover all reproduction and shipping costs. Please contact me off-list if able to fill this request. Mahalo and aloha! Ben Hom b.hom@worldnet.att.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Rick Schoch" Subject: Re: [PRR] Test Message Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 03:42:08 -0400 I'm still here. Rick S(pf) Parsippany NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 8:14 PM Subject: [PRR] Test Message > THIS A TEST MESSAGE > > EVERYONE PLEASE REPLY! > > Thank You > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:32:10 -0400 From: "David J. Wartell" Subject: Re: [PRR] 1918 CT1000 There were CT 1000's before 1923. I have a 1913 CT 1000 and a CT 1000D for 1915 (Northern Division). The 1923 states that it replaces one from 1918. The 1913 CT 1000 replaced one from 1911. These are clearly titled CT 1000. I am about to head off for vacation myself, later this morning and will return next Sunday. Dave >Bob The only years as far as I know that a CT 1000 was printed were 1923 and >1945. I've never seen one earlier or later than those. There must of been one >done before the 1923 one but I've never seen one or heard of the date. I >think Jerry has a copy of the 1923 one on Keystone Crossings. I know he has >the 1945 one as I loaned it to him to scan. >---------------------------------- Ken McCorry > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". Dave Wartell djwartel@ix.netcom.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 09:22:43 -0400 Subject: [PRR] We're Back! From: Jerry Britton Dang! After a year of making our system failure-proof so I can take a week off and relax, boom, someone else's failure becomes mine! I returned home to find my servers working fine, but my logs showing no web data served since 7/3 and no list traffic since then. Odd, for working servers. Then I checked my voice mail. A call from my ISP notified me that all of their DSL lines had been down and later reset at their end, and that I would need to do a manual reset at my end. Huh! There's no way I can automate that!!!! Therefore, I was down since then, until I pushed the itty, bitty, little button that performed the reset and had the connection back open within a minute. Geez, can't I ever take a vacation? Anyway, all is well now. Some of you were getting through, but that was only because your systems were caching my site's IP addresses. Anyone else would have gotten a "server not found" type of error. Anyway, sorry 'bout that. Reminds me that I am the "dealer" to quite a bunch of "addicts"! Gee, it's nice to be wanted! ;-) The Merchandise Service sale, to end today, will be extended one week due to the downtime. Sale covers Bachmann Spectrum City Scenes kits, LL P1K C-Liners, and Digitrax starter sets and throttles. Sale will end NEXT Sunday to make up for the downtime. Thanks! Other than that, vacation was great. Scored mega points with the wife when I volunteered to sit in the condo every day whilst the 2-year-old took has daily nap. What she didn't know is that I had smuggled several dozen freight car kits along on the trip which I assembled during that time!!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@pennsyrr.com Member, PRRT&HS "Merchandise Service", a division of Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc., is a reseller of model railroad and railroadiana products. "MS" is also host to the web site "Keystone Crossings", the domain PENNSYRR.COM, and the mailing lists "PRR-Talk", "Conrail- Talk", and "Reading-Talk". When you purchase through "MS", you are providing financial support to these Internet endeavors. Please visit our eCommerce web site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ------------------------------Thank you!----------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Roger P. Hensley" Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:31:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [PRR] Test Message > Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:49:06 -0500 (CDT) > From: Bruce F Smith > To: JoeBlatz@aol.com > Cc: PRR-Talk@dsop.com > Subject: Re: [PRR] Test Message > PLEASE do NOT respond...PRR talk is working just fine - Jerry is on > vacation, and something IS wrong with his personal email account, the be > the lists are working A OK...so lets get back to the PRR and stop testing > the list! > > Happy Rails > Bruce PRR-talk was NOT working fine and neither was Keystone Crossings website. Roger Roger Hensley rhensley@anderson.cioe.com == http://madisonrails.railfan.net/ == == Railroads of Madison County (Indiana) == ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: PKMac1@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:35:41 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] 1918 CT1000 Bob. I have a June 1st 1915 if that will help. What in specific are you looking for? Drop me a note. Pat McKinney PRRT&HS #1254 Altoona, Pa. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Roger P. Hensley" Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:34:48 +0000 Subject: [PRR] Snow Plows and Flanger Cars Since these were Pennsy cars, I thought that they might interest some of you on this list. I have pictures of both cars on my Railroads of Madison County web pages at http://madisonrails.railfan.net Take the 'Slides' link. I have already added this writeup to the pages. Please note that this is now part of a Copyrighted work. Roger ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:04:55 -0400 Subject: Snow Plows and Flanger Cars July 4, 2000 The two cars pictured in your page are identified further as follows: 1. CR64514 was originally PRR 497783, built November, 1946, for the PRR. 2. CR64721 was originally a PRR Class X25 or X26 boxcar rebuilt into a flanger car by the PRR in 1962. The original built date as boxcar was January, 1925. While both of these pieces of equipment have flanger blades their function was not the same. The use of the Russell Plow was not only intended to clear the track and several feet on either side but the flanger blade was used to remove the first three inches or so of ice and snow below the top of the rail. This build up of ice and packed snow could tear off steam connectors on passenger cars and air hoses on all equipment. Both the single track and double track Russell Plows had doors which were pushed out by air cylinders to essentially push the snow away form the edge of the ballast as far as possible. These Russell plows, when the shipping or movement fixtures were removed and stored in the car body, would run with the plow blade resting onto of the ball of the rail. The special coupler and its support features was also removed and stored in the carboy when plowing. The true Russell Plows had a floating draft sill that extended to the center pin of the front truck so that when plowing and the weight of the snow was on the blade the blade would ride ride on the ball of the rail the force from the pushing locomotive would be applied where needed. The Erie-Lackawanna plows which were built on old steam locomotive tender underframes did not have this floating sill. These E-L plows also utilized the tender trucks. There was a door that covered the opening for the attachment of the front coupler and its fittings. This door was closed during plowing operations to prevent snow form become packed between the backside of the plow blade and the front truck. If snow was allowed to become packed in this area the plow body would be lifted off the truck and derailment could occur. The PRR flanger cars were used to remove ice and snow from between the rails down to the cross ties. If ice was allowed to accumulate between the rails the track gauge could become widened to a point that wheels sets could fall between the rails. There were several places on the old PRR that ice was a problem such as at Cresson, Pennsylvania. Feel free to use any, all or none of the foregoing as you see fit. John Reehling ============================== Roger Roger Hensley rhensley@anderson.cioe.com == http://madisonrails.railfan.net/ == == Railroads of Madison County (Indiana) == ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:31:51 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Snow Plows and Flanger Cars In a message dated 7/9/00 8:50:04 AM Central Daylight Time, rhensley@anderson.cioe.com writes: << Since these were Pennsy cars, I thought that they might interest some of you on this list. I have pictures of both cars on my Railroads of Madison County web pages at http://madisonrails.railfan.net Take the 'Slides' link. I have already added this writeup to the pages. Please note that this is now part of a Copyrighted work. >> Interesting post. Please forward my thanks to John Reehling for a good explanation. Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:26:11 -0400 Subject: [PRR] Black Gold-Black Diamonds II From: Fred G Rea In response to those who asked: The list price is $50. The pre publication price is $37.50 +$5.00 S/H and for Ohio residents 7% sales tax. Order it from: Mileposts Publishing 3963 Dryden DR N. Olmsted, OH 44070 Since the pre-pub price is good until Oct 1 I would wait awhile before I would starting standing by my mail box. I hope it is as great as Volume I. Fred Rea ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 10:55:56 -0500 From: "doug.kisala" Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR H6a #1922 Mark, list, According to Edson's PRR All-time Steam Roster, H6a 1922 was built by Baldwin (c/n 19984) in January 1902 and was sold for scrap to UI&M in December 1926. She was not converted to H6sa, and so retained slide valves her entire life. Doug Mark Lehman wrote: > Hello, I'm looking for info on H6a #1922. > Gary dug up a little for me. He figures 1900 to 1902. I'd like to find > out exactly when it was built.( year) Was it updated? > > Thanks Mark L . > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 11:38:18 -0500 From: "doug.kisala" Subject: [PRR] 110P75a (type 5) kitbash in HO Hello list, This is another in a long line of K4s tender posts. On my latest two Bachmann K4s engines, I had converted the 110P70s into ersatz 110P75a tenders by raising the firing deck and adding tender steps, and living with the (inaccurate) rivet lines. I found another way, which involves a little more effort, but it eliminates the rivet lines entirely. The Spring 1988 Keystone has Roger Keyser's exhaustive Kiesel tender article. On page 49, there's a shot of a 110P75a with smooth sides. It was one of 5 110P75as that were streamlined for use with the 3768 (her second streamlined tender, after the 180P75 was found to be too large for her) and the 1120, 3678, 2665, and 5338. After these engines were destreamlined in the 1940s, their formerly streamlined tenders retained their smooth sides. I had a Bachmann 110P70 that I picked up at one of the Timonium shows (I really, really, miss them, living as I do in Texas). Before I could really stop myself, I sanded all of the rivet lines off of the tender body, and I was left with a pretty smooth shell. I raised the firing deck as I did with my other conversions, and that was pretty much it. I replaced the marker lights with brass ones, and did the same for the ladder. I believe that these particular tenders had the marker lights relocated to the rear tender wall, as I don't see them on the top of the 1120's tank. The other major problem with this approach is that the coal space remains too short; I retained the 110P70's 18 ton coal space, versus the 110P75a's 22 tons. I elected to live with this discrepancy, but you could cut the top of the coal bunker off and add a new top of the correct length to the cistern body (and then shorten the rear tender deck and relocated the water hatch). Anyway, until we can convince someone to make a 110P75a in resin, this will be another way to skin a cat. Doug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "John H. Wright" Subject: [PRR] What happened? Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:27:37 +0100 Anyway, it's good to be back. It's easy to flip when your favourite list appears to go belly up. A bit like being in a sealed room when someone turns out the lights. I wouldn't mind a tenner, though, for every one of those 'test' messages. Regards, John H. Wright (who has just bought two Walther's FA1 units ..... can't understand what came over me ) Visit the Newcastle & District MRS Website at: http://home.freeuk.net/nmrabr/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: K-4sDRIVER@webtv.net (Mark Lehman) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PRR] PRR H6a #1922 Thanks for the info Doug, Well at least I have a good family photo of # 1922 !!!! Mark L . ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: BlockTruck@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:49:29 EDT Subject: [PRR] X-42 in Stores Dept. service I know that X-42s were assigned Penn Central numbers 8590 through 8599. This is fact. I do not know if any ever actually received these numbers, or any other PC numbers. I know at least one X-42 was in Stores Department service under Penn Central, and I know that it was painted PC green. I do not know if it carried a PC number at the time, or if it had been whitelined. This X-42 was for a long time spotted south of Stanley Car shop, just east of the RIP tracks. I welcome ANY information on X-42s life after PRR. JT Roberts ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Robert Schoenberg" Subject: [PRR] Freight Car Color... Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:43:10 -0400 Ok, to reopen a can of worms and revisit a question many times asked but never really answered.. What's a good (your favorite) recipie for freight car color using scalecoat (or polyscale)? I have a bunch of resin kits that need painting. I'm planning on using Scalecoat... 50% oxide red to 50% freight car red looks pretty good to me for later cars but I need mix(es) for ealier cars... I have a couple of cars from the 20's and some 40's-50's era cars to paint also... Thanks! Rob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [PRR] Freight Car Color... Rob, Your formula is petty much what I use. Give or take a little on the mixing percentages and your result is a fleet of varied looking cars. With weathering (dark streaking or light fades) added, the results is even a wider range of finishes. For earlier cars I have no formula as I never did any work on "old" equipment. Maybe add a little more red to your mixture as the early freight car color was a "redder" shade......Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work! http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:14:24 -0500 (CDT) From: harperd@tamug.tamu.edu (Don Harper) Subject: [PRR] PRR: ribbed vs. plain wheels Question. Did the PRR use ribbed wheels on any of its freight cars? If so, which ones? I'm converting all the plastic wheels to metal wheels so they can run on the Museum layout, and Bowser's H21a cars came with ribbed wheels. I've seen a few photos of stacks of wheels, and don't remember any ribs. Don Harper Texas A&M Marine Lab 5007 Avenue U Galveston, TX 77551 409/740-4540 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 17:48:44 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Freight Car Color... In a message dated 7/9/00 1:47:52 PM Central Daylight Time, robs@actel.com writes: << What's a good (your favorite) recipie for freight car color using scalecoat (or polyscale)? >> I'll repeat my previous answer: I have settled on PollyScale 50% special oxide red and 50% zinc chromate. I don't make a fetish of the exact 50-50, accepting a little variety in the basic shade to account for differences in weathering and age. Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 18:13:04 -0400 From: "John F. Ryan, Jr." Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR: ribbed vs. plain wheels IIRC, the switch to plain wheels came in the early 1950's. John Ryan Don Harper wrote: > Question. Did the PRR use ribbed wheels on any of its freight cars? If > so, which ones? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 18:27:34 -0400 From: Mike Morrow Subject: [PRR] New Book? Has anyone on the list heard of this book? Set Up Running : The Life of a Pennsylvania Railroad Engineman by John W. Orr According to Amazon it will be released in October 2000. Mike Morrow PRRT&HS #6703 Modeling the Elmira Branch 1956-57 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Joseph Schwieterman" Subject: [PRR] End of the (PRR) line, Westerville, OH Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 18:55:31 CDT I'm pulling together information about the demise of rail service to Westerville, Ohio. Accordingly, I'm interested in learning more about the events leading to the abandonment of the most southerly portion of the old PRR Akron Branch. This town has an interesting heritage as a center for the national Temperance movement and shipped hundreds of thousands of anti-alcohol publications by rail during the early 20th century. My records show that Conrail received approval to abandon the local portion of the route in March 1982. Has anybody explored the history of this route? Anybody have any good photos? JPS ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Graeme Nitz" Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR: ribbed vs. plain wheels Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:21:56 +1000 Don, With regards to ribbed back wheels. 1958 banned from being installed on New or Rebuilt cars 1969 Banned on all cars Source:- Model Railroader November 69 p47 This is industry wide of course not just PRR. As far as the modelling side goes I recommend the Intermountain wheels on the Bowser cars that use Bowser trucks and Kadee on the ones that use Stewart trucks. The IMR wheels are slightly shorter and seem to run better in the Bowser sideframes. (and Walthers). Hope this helps. Graeme Nitz PRRT&HS Member #1313 prr@unite.com.au An Aussie Slobbering Pennsy Freak ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Harper To: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 6:14 AM Subject: [PRR] PRR: ribbed vs. plain wheels > Question. Did the PRR use ribbed wheels on any of its freight cars? If > so, which ones? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:26:19 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Fw: PRR-Talk There is talk on the PRRSignals group that PRR-Talk is defunct. I have not received any messages except the two testing the system in over 2 weeks. Rich Orr ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Graeme Nitz" Subject: Re: [PRR] Fw: PRR-Talk Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:27:25 +1000 Its back online. It had server problems. Graeme Nitz PRRT&HS Member #1313 prr@unite.com.au An AussieSlobbering Pennsy Freak ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] Fw: PRR-Talk > There is talk on the PRRSignals group that PRR-Talk is defunct. I have not > received any messages except the two testing the system in over 2 weeks. > > Rich Orr > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 06:18:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Fw: PRR-Talk From: Jerry Britton On 7/10/00 12:26 AM, SUVCWORR@aol.com at (SUVCWORR@aol.com) wrote: > There is talk on the PRRSignals group that PRR-Talk is defunct. I have not > received any messages except the two testing the system in over 2 weeks. > Just another example of unsubstantiated "facts" being shared!!! Guess it's just "wishful thinking". Here are yesterday's "PRR-Talk" stats: On 7/10/00 12:00 AM, PRR-Talk at (PRR-Talk@dsop.com) wrote: > Message posts 25 > Subscribes 1 > Unsubscribes 1 > > Total subscribers 424 > Here are yesterday's "Keystone Crossings" stats: > Here are the statistics for your server (192.168.1.2/) on: Sunday, July 9, > 2000 > > 6370 Connections/Hits > 444146KData Moved > 11 High Connects > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@pennsyrr.com Member, PRRT&HS "Merchandise Service", a division of Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc., is a reseller of model railroad and railroadiana products. "MS" is also host to the web site "Keystone Crossings", the domain PENNSYRR.COM, and the mailing lists "PRR-Talk", "Conrail- Talk", and "Reading-Talk". When you purchase through "MS", you are providing financial support to these Internet endeavors. Please visit our eCommerce web site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ------------------------------Thank you!----------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Stuthayer@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:03:31 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Test Message Test reply. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon Jul 10 17:49:09 2000 From: TGREGMRTN@aol.com Subject: [PRR] Bill Daniels HELP Bill Daniels, I am at work and have a question for you and this damn AOL won't let me access my address book. Can you contact me off line Ed and I are looking for some detail parts you might know where to find. Thanks in advance... Greg Martin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:54:06 -0500 From: "doug.kisala" Subject: [PRR] Precision Scale Company Water scoop Hello list, I just received my first order from PSC today. I ordered 7 of their HO 3401 water scoops. I have lots of the old Bowser high sided (ersatz 90P/F75) and low sided (no known prototype) tenders. Unlike the Cal Scale water scoop set, the PSC casting is two pieces, and consists solely of the water scoop and it's bracket. PSC's part is easier to paint because it's two pieces, and I'll be adding one to my G5s' tender tonight. The PSC HO 3401 costs $3.00, making bulk purchases possible; the other prototypes I model (CNJ, B&O) also used scoops. Doug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ELM2@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:15:13 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Fw: PRR-Talk Bill, Thank God! It's not just me. Ed Martin...banned by Pacific Southwest Region N.M.R.A. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ELM2@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:17:38 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] TEST Mark, Yes, signs of life are reapperaing! Day or two? More like a week! Ed Martin ...Graduate of the Joe Jack school of driving! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ELM2@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:19:55 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Fw: PRR-Talk Lee, We now read you 5 by 5 here in the "Entertainment Capital of the World" fabulous Las Vegas Nevada! Ed Martin... member of the gang of two ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ELM2@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:24:14 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] New Athearn Stuff Barry, I lost I'd lost you guys! What's your favorite news group? p__-t___! Ed Martin... Clevelend & Pittsburgh...gateway to Ohio and the West! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ELM2@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:25:46 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Test Message Joe, I'm here, I'm here! God I love this machine! Ed Martin...banned by Pacific Southwest Region N.M.R.A. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ELM2@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:28:05 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Test Message Mr. Tee, Coming to you live from downtown Las Vegas Nevada! The city that never sleeps! Ed Martin...a graduate of the Joe Jack school of driving! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ELM2@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:29:24 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Test Message Al, We are back on the air! Praise the Lord! Life is good again! Ed Martin...member of the gang of two ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ELM2@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:45:07 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR H6a #1922 Mark, Numbers 1880-2218 first used 1901-02 for new engines built for P.R.R. Engines 1921-1929 H6a Sorry that's all I have. The fate of many of these early light 2-8-0's was a scrapper during the 1930's. Ed Martin... a graduate of the Joe Jack school of driving! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ELM2@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:57:07 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] We're Back! Jerry, Welcome buddy! Are we glad you to see you! Ed Martin...member of the gang of two ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: ELM2@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:09:29 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Freight Car Color... Rob, I don't use either so I can't say which would be best. I think you'll enjoy your cars more if you vary the color somewhat. This gives the car more character and not everything looks the same. Have a look at a color photo of Pennsy freight cars and it's tough to find two exactly the same. Ed Martin... banned by Pacific Southwest Region N.M.R.A. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Kris Kollar" Subject: [PRR] MR comments Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:21:13 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01BFEABD.2838E8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jerry, Want to take a moment to publicly thank you for taking the time to send = your favorable comments about my Shark article to MR. As you can = imagine I was thrilled when I read them. Thanks again. PS. I actually tried to send this out last week but your computer = problems prevented me from doing so. Kris Kollar ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01BFEABD.2838E8C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jerry,
 
Want to take a moment to publicly thank you for = taking the=20 time to send your favorable comments about my Shark article to MR.  = As you=20 can imagine I was thrilled when I read them.  Thanks = again.
 
PS.  I actually tried to send this out last = week but=20 your computer problems prevented me from doing so.
 
Kris Kollar
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Andrews Carmel, Indiana ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:00:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Branchline REA Reefer From: Jerry Britton On 7/11/00 9:30 AM, Andrews, Ted (Ted.Andrews@Woolpert.com) wrote: > In last month's MR, Branchline advertised the HO scale Pullmans and a 50 > foot express reefer made for REA. Does anyone have more info. on this car > and when it was built? I would imagine that this car was on passenger or > mail trains including those on the PRR but what era? > > I made a post about these new reefers on the "Merchandise Announce" list a few weeks ago. Those interested in such new product announcements should join this list, which sees 1-3 posts per week. See http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com The Pullmans were announced almost a year ago and the first, the 8-1-2, is due in December. "Merchandise Service" has been accepting reservations since about January. There are three PRR cars in the 8-1-2 offering. There are also three PRR cars in the later 10-1-2 offering. The reefers were just posted on Branchline's site about two weeks ago. The car represents a 50' AAR "RBL" Plug Door Box. This was PRR class X-53, built in the late 1950's and early 1960's. Two PRR paint schemes are announced. There will be a total of four road numbers of each. You can order single cars or a three pack. No ETA has been set, but since there are part numbers, "Merchandise Service" is accepting advance reservations. --------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in HO Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of "PRR-Talk" http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com Free serving of railroad web sites http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue Jul 11 10:17:55 2000 From: BPX29@aol.com Subject: Re: [PRR] Branchline REA Reefer Folks, I beleive the Branchline add said it would be the welded version, which would make it 1947 (48?). The photo they used had the very short-lived green and silver colors, which were only tried on that first batch of steel REA reefers. The next big order for steel REA reefers was ten years later, and came in a riveted version. In any event, these cars were much more common in Pennsy consists, judging from photos, than the longed-for R50 by the late 50's, certainly by the 1960's. Barry Peltier PS-I see Kadee is going to do an N scale version of the steel reefer, but don't know which version, welded or riveted.bp ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:22:44 -0700 (PDT) From: robert netzlof Subject: [PRR] PRRT&HS Site. What's up (or down)? Yesterday and so far today, attempts to access the PRRT&HS site yield a message "Server does not have a DNS entry". Shades of last week! Is there some sort of e-pidemic in progress in eastern PA? Inquiring minds want to know. ===== Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:33:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Branchline REA Reefer From: Jerry Britton On 7/11/00 10:17 AM, BPX29@aol.com (BPX29@aol.com) wrote: > I beleive the Branchline add said it would be the welded version, which would > make it 1947 (48?). The photo they used had the very short-lived green and > silver colors, which were only tried on that first batch of steel REA reefers. > The next big order for steel REA reefers was ten years later, and came in a > riveted version. > In any event, these cars were much more common in Pennsy consists, judging > from photos, than the longed-for R50 by the late 50's, certainly by the > 1960's. Perhaps I misunderstood...the 1947 cars are not new product announcements...perhaps just missed by some modelers. The 50' AAR cars...just announced...were designed in the late 1940's but not used by the PRR until later. --------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in HO Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of "PRR-Talk" http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com Free serving of railroad web sites http://www.railfancentral.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:48:45 -0700 From: Chuck Friedlein Subject: Re: [PRR] Branchline REA Reefer Ted, Judging from the road number series and the ACL paint job on the photo, these would be the ones with the overhanging roof. I can't remember off hand exactly when they were built, but it was not long before series REA 6900-7399 which was ordered out in specifications dated June 9, 1954. I'd check Roseman's book for the built dates on these. BTW, for the N scalers out there, did you notice that Micro-Trains has announced an REA express reefer also? It's due for release on August 1. It's the last series that as ordered (REA 7400-7899) in specifications dated January 16, 1956. This is a car I researched for them to produce when I used to work there. These cars would be appropriate on about any passenger train or express freight (mail train and the like). The PRR had many of them in it's trains. As a kid growing up I remember the REA terminal on the south (?) side of 30th Street Station in Philly with cars there most all the time. Chuck Friedlein "Andrews, Ted" wrote: > PRR Talk Listers: > > In last month's MR, Branchline advertised the HO scale Pullmans and a 50 > foot express reefer made for REA. Does anyone have more info. on this car > and when it was built? I would imagine that this car was on passenger or > mail trains including those on the PRR but what era? > > Thank you in advance! > > Ted M. Andrews > Carmel, Indiana > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue Jul 11 11:36:09 2000 From: BPX29@aol.com Subject: Re: [PRR] Branchline REA Reefer Jerry, I think there is a small misunderstanding. I was speaking of the REA cars, not the AAR cars. Until now, no one has made the steel REA cars in a plastic kit, far as I'm aware. Have a quick look at their ad in August MR. Regards, Barry Peltier ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:37:39 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Branchline REA Reefer In a message dated 7/11/00 8:37:36 AM Central Daylight Time, Ted.Andrews@Woolpert.com writes: << In last month's MR, Branchline advertised the HO scale Pullmans and a 50 foot express reefer made for REA. Does anyone have more info. on this car and when it was built? I would imagine that this car was on passenger or mail trains including those on the PRR but what era? >> The car is the 1947 welded version, identical to the resin kit from Sunshine Models. 500 cars were delivered in aluminum with a green stripe as pictured in the ad, but, like the GG1's that were painted in the silver color, oil and dirt made them look so bad that that paint scheme was abandoned quickly. The idea was that the aluminum would blend with the new Budd stainless steel streamliners. Repainting to a plain REA green (I use Japan Navy Green, thanks to a tip in a 1989 MR article by Andy Miller) with Deluxe Gold lettering, no herald, occured in 1949 (this is the scheme I painted my Sunshine kit, as I model pre-1952). The REA herald was added in 1952. The newer REA herald was applied in the 60's. Like the REA wood reefers (a common version of which is also modeled by Sunshine) and the 1958 steel riveted version , they appeared in almost any PRR train that carried significant headend equipment. The earlier paint schemes overlapped into later eras, as is typical of a situation where a fleet is repainted over time. Exception may be the aluminum version, which seemed to disappear rather quickly, at least in video documentation of the era. Like a lot of express reefers, they were used, particularly in later years, in nonreefer express applications. I don't know if they were used for mail storage, as some individual railroad steel reefers were. I am delighted to see the kit. Even though I am well satisfied with my resin kits, I would rather not build a fleet that way. Anyone have an advanced tip on price? Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:41:46 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Branchline REA Reefer In a message dated 7/11/00 9:56:49 AM Central Daylight Time, diehexe@uswest.net writes: << Judging from the road number series and the ACL paint job on the photo, these would be the ones with the overhanging roof. I can't remember off hand exactly when they were built, but it was not long before series REA 6900-7399 which was ordered out in specifications dated June 9, 1954. I'd check Roseman's book for the built dates on these. >> I don't know if they are the cars you are referring to, but 50 ACL cars were tacked on to the end of the 500-car REA order in 1947. They were described as identical. Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Greg Johnson" Subject: [PRR] Video Tape Sale Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:17:04 -0500 I just got a flyer from Green Frog today. They are having a 45% off sale on selected videos. Included in the list are: "The Pennsylvania RR" sale price $16.47 "Penn Central" (3 hrs) sale price $30.22 Others on sale include NYC, WM & DT&I subjects. Their phone number is 770-422-2220. Their web site is www.greenfrog.com I have the PRR and PC tapes and they are excellent. All originally shot with sharp 16mm film. Regards, Greg Johnson Regards ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Walt Prusick" Subject: [PRR] Branchline REA reefer Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:55:41 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BFEB58.D8C98C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, now I am confused. From the posts I get a number of dates for = inclusion of this reefer in the headend of Pennsy consists. Jerry = identifies them (I believe) as class X-53 , going into Pennsy service in = the late 50's. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BFEB58.D8C98C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, now I am confused. From the posts I get a number = of dates=20 for inclusion of this reefer in the headend of Pennsy consists. Jerry = identifies=20 them (I believe) as class X-53 , going into Pennsy service in the late=20 50's.
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Bob,
Thanks for the clarification. Guess I can "safely" = run more=20 than a couple of those cars as headend equipment (lettered for REA) on = my future=20 Pennsy  '52 pike. BTW, is this reefer similar to the kit-bashed 50 = ft=20 reefer which was done back a few years in MRC or MR where two (I believe = TMI) 40=20 fters were spliced into a 50 ft? Did 4 of them and I am satisfied with = the=20 results. But going from memory, they were rivited, not welded=20 construction. Oh well.
Thanks
Walt Prusick
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Apparently the Branchline welded cars are the ACf versions built in 1948, numbers 6100-6599, so you'll have some of each version. regards, Barry Peltier ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:39:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [PRR] Branchline REA Reefer From: Jerry Britton On 7/11/00 12:37 PM, Bobspf@aol.com at (Bobspf@aol.com) wrote: > In a message dated 7/11/00 8:37:36 AM Central Daylight Time, > Ted.Andrews@Woolpert.com writes: > > << In last month's MR, Branchline advertised the HO scale Pullmans and a 50 > foot express reefer made for REA. Does anyone have more info. on this car > and when it was built? I would imagine that this car was on passenger or > mail trains including those on the PRR but what era? >> > I apologize for responding earlier without having the ad in hand. I was looking at Branchline's web site and could not find a car that met the above description. Everyone was discussing whether it was the 1947 or 1957 AAR car. It is neither! A few months back Branchline confided in me that they would be doing the 6100 series Express Reefer. That is this car, as the ad shows. I'm just surprised they publicly showed it in an ad when they have not yet done a press release, placed it on their web site, etc. While there is no ETA as of yet, you can bet it will be in the $13-15 range. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@pennsyrr.com Member, PRRT&HS "Merchandise Service", a division of Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc., is a reseller of model railroad and railroadiana products. "MS" is also host to the web site "Keystone Crossings", the domain PENNSYRR.COM, and the mailing lists "PRR-Talk", "Conrail- Talk", and "Reading-Talk". When you purchase through "MS", you are providing financial support to these Internet endeavors. Please visit our eCommerce web site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ------------------------------Thank you!----------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:14:51 -0400 Subject: [PRR] Branchline Exp Refers From: Fred G Rea The more I read the more confused I get. Will the Branchline exp refers be acceptable for my 1948 era? If, not what would be the earliest date. I don't care if they were PRR or REA owned, if they ran on the PRR. Thanks Fred Rea (no relation to REA, or Samuel Rea) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:57:41 -0700 From: Chuck Friedlein Subject: Re: [PRR] Branchline REA Reefer Barry, Your're right, no one has ever made any of these cars in plastic before in any scale. The only thing that was close to them was an attempt some decades ago in O scale with sheet steel sides nailed on wood blocks, etc., like the kits of the thirty's and forty's, and not even really close to scale. Chuck Friedlein BPX29@aol.com wrote: > Jerry, > I think there is a small misunderstanding. I was speaking of the REA cars, not the AAR cars. Until now, no one has made the steel REA cars in a plastic kit, far as I'm aware. Have a quick look at their ad in August MR. > Regards, > Barry Peltier > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:07:32 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Branchline Exp Refers In a message dated 7/11/00 10:16:40 PM Central Daylight Time, fredrea@juno.com writes: << Will the Branchline exp refers be acceptable for my 1948 era? >> The version in the aluminum with green stripe spanned 1947-49. Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:14:06 -0700 From: Chuck Friedlein Subject: Re: [PRR] Branchline Exp Refers Fred, The REA 6100 series cars were built by ACF in 1947 (no month stated) according to Vic Roseman's book, but Ed Kaminski's book lists them as built in January 1948. I'd be more prone to believe Ed's history than Vic's. Chuck Friedlein Fred G Rea wrote: > The more I read the more confused I get. Will the Branchline exp refers > be acceptable for my 1948 era? If, not what would be the earliest date. > I don't care if they were PRR or REA owned, if they ran on the PRR. > > Thanks > > Fred Rea (no relation to REA, or Samuel Rea) > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:20:49 -0700 (PDT) From: robert netzlof Subject: [PRR] A partial bibliography of CT1000's (long) A few days ago I asked if anyone had a 1918 CT1000. No one did, but the responses were interesting in their own right. It's well-known that CT1000's were printed in 1945 and 1923. The title pages say that 1945 supercedes 1923 and 1923 supercedes 1918. Now Pat McKinney and Dave Wartell add 1915 and 1913, 1913 superceding 1911. I have seen and read a 1900 CT1000, which superceded 1899. Mark Bej's site mentions an 1891 CR1000, which has the title "List of Stations and Sidings with Instructions...", same as the CT1000's. To summarize: 1945 1923 1918 ? Any other(s) in here? (My guess: No.) 1915 ? Any other(s) in here? (My guess: No.) 1913 1911 ? Any other(s) in here? (My guess: Yes.) 1900 1899 ? Any other(s) in here? (My guess: Yes.) Were they CT1000 or CR1000? 1891 CR1000 ? Any earlier than 1891? All of the foregoing is about the "full" CT1000. In addition, "subset" CT1000's were printed. In 1945 these were CT1000E, C, and W; covering Eastern, Central, and Western regions. I have seen a 1923 CT1000C. But the page headings in the full 1923 CT1000 speak of Eastern, Central, Northwestern and Southwestern regions. Perhaps there were 4 "subset" CT1000's in 1923 (E, C, N, & S?). Clouding the issue, Dave Wartell mentioned a 1915 CT1000D for the Northern Division. Another complication: The 1923 CT1000 supercedes the 1918 CT1000 *and* the 1913 PL506. A PL506 was offered on eBay a few weeks ago. The description there sounded like it was a Lines West CT1000. (It went for $162.50, too rich for me.) I wonder what other editions of PL506 there were, and whether or not the 1918 and 1915 CT1000'a ignored the Lines West (thus establishing a custom which is observed to this day). The 1900 CT1000 is a small book, roughly the size of a 1945 CT1000E. That's because it mentioned nothing west of Pennsylvania, and omitted several lines in Pennsylvania. I assume that is because those lines, and the whole Pennsylvania Company organization were considered to be separate from The Pennsylvania Railroad. Open questions: 1. In what years, if any, in the spans marked ? above were CT1000's printed? 2. In what years, besides 1945, 1923, and 1915 were "subset" CT1000's printed? 3. Were there 3 or 4 1923 "subsets"? 4. How many "subsets" were there in 1915, and how were they divided? 5. When did form CR1000 become form CT1000 and why? 6. Over what span of time did the Lines West print PL506? As a last gasp: Several weeks ago, someone on eBay sold a PRR book with a title something like "List of Officers Stations and Station Agents" dated 1892 (He didn't list a form number). I note that the 1900 CT1000, in the index of stations, lists the names of station agents. Perhaps the information about station agents was merged into the CR1000, creating the CT1000 and eliminating form (or leaving the "List of Officers" undiluted by mere station agents). If so, when was that done? Enough for now (perhaps more than enough). Thoughts, anyone? Further information? Anyone? ===== Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:27:38 -0400 From: Park Varieties Subject: Re: [PRR] Branchline Exp Refers Modern Railroads article of the time states that the first 50 cars built were for the ACL with delivery commencing 12/47. The REA cars came second and would be built at a rate of 12 per day with hopes of increasing production to 24 per day. So it is safe to assume that delivery of the REA cars was probably completed during the first quarter of 1948. Frank Brua Chuck Friedlein wrote: > Fred, > The REA 6100 series cars were built by ACF in 1947 (no month stated) > according to Vic Roseman's book, but Ed Kaminski's book lists them as built > in January 1948. I'd be more prone to believe Ed's history than Vic's. > > Chuck Friedlein > > Fred G Rea wrote: > > > The more I read the more confused I get. Will the Branchline exp refers > > be acceptable for my 1948 era? If, not what would be the earliest date. > > I don't care if they were PRR or REA owned, if they ran on the PRR. > > > > Thanks > > > > Fred Rea (no relation to REA, or Samuel Rea) > > ________________________________________________________________ > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > Try it today - there's no risk! 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From: "Paul W. Schopp" Subject: Re: [PRR] A partial bibliography of CT1000's (long) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:55:11 -0400 Bob: Very interesting bibliography! The 1891 volume is actually a Form C.R. 76, the C.R. standing for Car Reporting. It covers almost all of the divisions in Pennsylvania and contains the reporting marks of all railroads interchanging cars at the point in time. In the back are rosters of all rolling stock for the companies associated with the PRR. The effective date on the title page is April 1, 1891 and there is no statement regarding superceding earlier editions. In addition, the book actually contains some pastie changes, similar to G.O. in ETTs. The volume is the same size as the 1945E edition of the CT1000. Although I assume this 1891 book is rare, I have to believe there are other copies out there besides mine. Best regards, Paul Schopp ----- Original Message ----- From: robert netzlof To: Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 7:20 AM Subject: [PRR] A partial bibliography of CT1000's (long) > A few days ago I asked if anyone had a 1918 CT1000. No > one did, but the responses were interesting in their > own right. > > It's well-known that CT1000's were printed in 1945 and > 1923. The title pages say that 1945 supercedes 1923 > and 1923 supercedes 1918. > > Now Pat McKinney and Dave Wartell add 1915 and 1913, > 1913 superceding 1911. > > I have seen and read a 1900 CT1000, which superceded > 1899. > > Mark Bej's site mentions an 1891 CR1000, which has the > title "List of Stations and Sidings with > Instructions...", same as the CT1000's. > > To summarize: > 1945 > 1923 > 1918 > ? Any other(s) in here? (My guess: No.) > 1915 > ? Any other(s) in here? (My guess: No.) > 1913 > 1911 > ? Any other(s) in here? (My guess: Yes.) > 1900 > 1899 > ? Any other(s) in here? (My guess: Yes.) > Were they CT1000 or CR1000? > 1891 CR1000 > ? Any earlier than 1891? > > All of the foregoing is about the "full" CT1000. In > addition, "subset" CT1000's were printed. In 1945 > these were CT1000E, C, and W; covering Eastern, > Central, and Western regions. > > I have seen a 1923 CT1000C. But the page headings in > the full 1923 CT1000 speak of Eastern, Central, > Northwestern and Southwestern regions. Perhaps there > were 4 "subset" CT1000's in 1923 (E, C, N, & S?). > > Clouding the issue, Dave Wartell mentioned a 1915 > CT1000D for the Northern Division. > > Another complication: The 1923 CT1000 supercedes the > 1918 CT1000 *and* the 1913 PL506. A PL506 was offered > on eBay a few weeks ago. The description there sounded > like it was a Lines West CT1000. (It went for > $162.50, too rich for me.) I wonder what other > editions of PL506 there were, and whether or not the > 1918 and 1915 CT1000'a ignored the Lines West (thus > establishing a custom which is observed to this day). > > The 1900 CT1000 is a small book, roughly the size of a > 1945 CT1000E. That's because it mentioned nothing west > of Pennsylvania, and omitted several lines in > Pennsylvania. I assume that is because those lines, > and the whole Pennsylvania Company organization were > considered to be separate from The Pennsylvania > Railroad. > > Open questions: > > 1. In what years, if any, in the spans marked ? above > were CT1000's printed? > 2. In what years, besides 1945, 1923, and 1915 were > "subset" CT1000's printed? > 3. Were there 3 or 4 1923 "subsets"? > 4. How many "subsets" were there in 1915, and how were > they divided? > 5. When did form CR1000 become form CT1000 and why? > 6. Over what span of time did the Lines West print > PL506? > > As a last gasp: > > Several weeks ago, someone on eBay sold a PRR book > with a title something like "List of Officers Stations > and Station Agents" dated 1892 (He didn't list a form > number). I note that the 1900 CT1000, in the index of > stations, lists the names of station agents. > > Perhaps the information about station agents was > merged into the CR1000, creating the CT1000 and > eliminating form (or leaving the "List of > Officers" undiluted by mere station agents). If so, > when was that done? > > Enough for now (perhaps more than enough). Thoughts, > anyone? Further information? Anyone? > > > > ===== > Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > --------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Paul W. Schopp" Subject: Re: [PRR] A partial bibliography of CT1000's (follow-up) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:19:00 -0400 Bob: A couple of other notes about the C.R. 76. The C.R. was issued by the Car Record Office. On the very first page of the book is the following statement: NOTICE- Examine this book carefully and commence its use with all Reports for the Car Record Office dated April 1st, 1891. I think this statement may be interpreted to preclude any earlier editions of a C.R. or C.T. type volume. But, then again, I am constantly surprised at the material coming to light regarding the PRR. Best, Paul Schopp spanky@voicenet.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:34:41 EDT Subject: Re: [PRR] Branchline Exp Refers In a message dated 7/11/00 11:27:14 PM Central Daylight Time, diehexe@uswest.net writes: << The REA 6100 series cars were built by ACF in 1947 (no month stated) according to Vic Roseman's book, but Ed Kaminski's book lists them as built in January 1948. I'd be more prone to believe Ed's history than Vic's. >> You bring up a worthwhile modeling point, but I wouldn't beat either one of them up over a couple months. The prototype sheet from Sunshine --don't know the source but their data is usually fairly accurate--says construction began in November 1947. Roseman's book includes a pic in January 1948 of a reefer "built the month before". The Sunshine sheet has a photo of one in San Francisco in January 1948. If they were built back East (Berwick, PA?) it took a few days to get there. So, my statement that the first paint scheme spans 1947-49 I would amend today to "spans December 1947 to 1949. I have seen these referred to as 1947 models for decades and never realized they were like the "1948 Broadway"--1948 with qualifications (at least Tower View and Mountain View were delivered in first quarter of 1949. So unless a 1947 modeler was specifically modeling December 1947, the cars are too late for him, if he is particular. Glad you brought it up for clarification, Chuck. Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:56:41 -0400 Subject: [PRR] REA 6100 Reefers From: Jerry Britton All this talk about REA 6100-series reefers, built in the late 1940's, let me ask this: I've pored over the "Makeup of Trains" (a.k.a. Consist Reports) for all passenger trains coming in/out of New York City as of April 1954. They list the makeup of trains, including those cars dropped/added en route. They list reefers, baggage, and mail storage cars. There's no mention of REA-owned cars. Is this not unusual? They do show interchange passenger cars from other roads, so it's not like these reports just aren't including foreign road cars...they clearly are. So, were these cars added to consists on an "as needed" basis? Would I be right or wrong to pluck a few into my 1954 model of Harrisburg? --------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in HO Scale. 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Among our offerings are the leading lists for fans of the PRR, Conrail, and Reading. ----------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, President jbritton@dsop.com Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc. Web hosting and design http://www.dsop.com "Merchandise Service" Model railroad products http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Benjamin Frank Hom" Subject: RE: [PRR] Snow Plows and Flanger Cars Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:18:17 -0700 Great photos and write-up on the Russell plow and flanger; however, it's possible that the flanger was rebuilt from an X25 boxcar, but it is most definitely not an X26 (USRA SS XM) or any one of the family of X26 steel rebuilds. I can't get a good look at the underframe to make a definite determination, but the flanger is most likely an X29 rebuild. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:30:35 +0000 From: Roger Hensley Subject: RE: [PRR] Snow Plows and Flanger Cars > From: "Benjamin Frank Hom" > To: > Cc: > Subject: RE: [PRR] Snow Plows and Flanger Cars > Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:18:17 -0700 > Importance: Normal > Great photos and write-up on the Russell plow and flanger; however, it's > possible that the flanger was rebuilt from an X25 boxcar, but it is most > definitely not an X26 (USRA SS XM) or any one of the family of X26 steel > rebuilds. I can't get a good look at the underframe to make a definite > determination, but the flanger is most likely an X29 rebuild. Thank you. I'll check on that and see if I can get it corrected. Right is always good. :-) Roger Roger Hensley - rhensley@anderson.cioe.com == NMRA track gauge. "Don't do trains without it." == ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:53:09 -0500 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: [PRR] My Layout plans (LONG) Howdy Y'all Well, the time has finally come...for me to take the plunge into a layout! As many of you know, I plan to model the Pennsylvania Railroad, in June 1944, concentrating on the area around Columbia, Pa, on the Susquehanna River. I have designed what I hope is a relatively accurate representation of the real thing, focusing on the electrified Atglen & Susquehanna (the "Low Grade"), the Columbia & Port Deposit and the Columbia branches, and the steam powered Frederick and Octoraro branches, as well as a brief appearance by the Reading Railroad's Reading & Columbia branch. The layout was designed using Abracadata's 3D Railroad Concept and Design for Macintosh (which while clearly the best of the Mac field, leaves a lot to be desired...). Please look at the web pages of the layout plan, and let me know what you think! The layout will occupy a 24' x 30' room that will be purpose built as an extension of my garage. I anticipate that most of the track will be MicroEngineering code 83 flex with MicroEngineering, Walthers/Shinohara and scratchbuilt turnouts. Since we (the LDSIG) have been discussing the "rules" here are a few I stuck to...operators look north, right is east, left is west, minimum radius on the A&S is 34", min radius all other lines 31", minimum aisles 24", most are 30" or more, maximum grades of 2%. And some rules I "broke"(?)...no reverse loops (the turntables in Oxford and Columbia are small and will only hold a 2-8-2 (L-1), and not the 2-10-0 (I-1) or 4-8-2 (M-1) that will provide some mainline power....turning these will be accomplished by a fiddle table in each staging yard), no continuous running option, catenary on most of the layout... The easiest way to describe the layout may be to give you a tour, so here goes! Entering the layout room (http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/level3.GIF) through the door in the lower left corner, the first thing that will strike the viewer will be the double track stone arch bridge at Shocks Mills, over the Susquehanna (I mean that LITERALLY as it will smack you in the face if you don't DUCK). This bridge will carry the A&S to the right into the Enola staging yard (http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/Enola.GIF). I'm not entirely happy with this yard as a great deal was sacrificed to have a turntable to turn locomotives. I may go with a straight yard, with the last 2 feet consisting of a "fiddle table" that will allow locos to be removed and turned by hand. This fiddle arrangement is planned for Thorndale and Perryville staging (above and below Enola respectively). Bearing left after ducking under the bridge (back to the big map! http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/level3.GIF), you see the Columbia branch (blue) heading off up the east bank of the river (dummy tracks), and then the multi-track Marrieta Army depot, a major supply depot in WW II (which should connect back to the A&S but won't for lack of space). Continuing, we come to Kerbaugh Lake, an artificial impoundment of the Susquehanna created by a tangent section of the A&S, as well as Lake siding on the A&S, and then the beginning of Columbia Yard. Most of the major prototype tracks are present, although condensed. The red track coming off the Columbia branch and crossing both tracks of the A&S before heading out into the aisle represents the Frederick branch. Trains on this branch were either short freights, or even shorter passenger trains (2-3 cars, or doodlebugs). I plan to model 2-3 spans of the Wrightsville bridge across the Susquehanna as a removable bridge/staging, and perhaps staging can be fitted into the peninsula on the opposite side of the aisle. The Reading (green) interchanged with the Columbia branch and both will disappear into staging along the right wall with a "central ladder"(3-4 tracks, multiple turnouts off the main). Prominently featured will be COLA tower as well. As the A&S leaves Columbia, and turns onto the right wall, we come to PORT where the C&PD branch leaves the A&S to follow the Susquehanna, while the A&S slowly climbs out of the river valley. The two lines parallel each other for a number of miles, and the signature location of the entire layout occurs when the two lines must cross Conestoga Creek at Safe Harbor (http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/SafeHarbor.JPEG). Here the A&S is 150' above the river on a curving trestle while the C&PD crosses on a steel deck bridge. Further complicating the picture is the tail of the switchback serving the hydro dam at Safe Harbor and the siding off the passing track to a coal loader which pass under BOTH lines (3 levels of RR and its prototypical!) By the way, that coal was dredged off the bottom of the Susquehanna and burned further downstream at Holtwood. Following around to the very end of the peninsula, the C&PD will make a transition to a lower deck while the A&S continues to climb. Passing through Martic Forge, the A&S high bridge over Pequa Creek (http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/MarticForge.JPEG) may be modeled although that will cramp the lower deck. Still rising, the A&S will pass SMITH tower (just HAD to model that one!) a part-time block station, and reach the highest point, beginning a descent back to the right wall of the room and through PARK interlocking (with the passenger main tracks coming in from the left) and finally ending up in Thorndale yard (visible staging). To enhance the effect of visible staging, you may notice a black rectangle halfway down the yard. This is the Thorndale coal dock, similar to Denholm, which remained operational in the early 40's in spite of the electrification of the lines. Train crews of steam powered freights entering the staging yard will be required to spot their power appropriately. Additionally, helpers (steam and electric) for the climb up from Columbia will be based here. Returning to the C&PD, either a direct transition, or a single loop helix will make the transition to the lower deck (http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/level2.GIF). Shortly we come to Holtwood, site of another hydro dam, but also of a coal fired electric plant designed to burn coal dredged from the bottom of the river here and at Safe Harbor. The plant was serviced by a "fireless cooker", and is reported to have had narrow gauge and dual gauge track as well. Shortly after Holtwood, the track passes through two rock tunnel