Subject: [PRR] Trainstuff Colossus Project
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:17:02 -0600
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simply says "if you are a Pennsy fan you won't want to miss this, it is =
museum quality and bigger than a bread box". They go on to say that it =
will be debuted at the Savannah Prototype Modeler's Show March 24-25.
Anyone know what this is?
Bill Laird
Canyon Lake, Texas
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From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:32:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [PRR] Trainstuff Colossus Project
Bill Laird wrote:
Trainstuff has announced their "Colossus Project" on their web site.
It simply says "if you are a Pennsy fan you won't want to miss this, it
is museum quality and bigger than a bread box". They go on to say
that it will be debuted at the Savannah Prototype Modeler's Show March
24-25.
Anyone know what this is?
I say:
Hmmmm, Bigger than a bread box. I assume this is HO scale? A breadbox is
pretty big, assuming it is not an HO Scale breadbox. I will take a
guess, (my own personal wishs). Either a PRR Style Coaling Tower or a
PRR Roundhouse! Those are both bigger than a Breadbox, real or HO sale
size. ..... Gary.
Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work!
http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and
http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:54:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Derrick J Brashear
Subject: Re: [PRR] Trainstuff Colossus Project
On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Gary Mittner wrote:
> Hmmmm, Bigger than a bread box. I assume this is HO scale? A breadbox is
> pretty big, assuming it is not an HO Scale breadbox. I will take a
> guess, (my own personal wishs). Either a PRR Style Coaling Tower or a
> PRR Roundhouse! Those are both bigger than a Breadbox, real or HO sale
> size. ..... Gary.
How big is a breadbox? ;-) Is a set of Centipedes back to back bigger?
-D
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 14:01:49 -0500
Subject: Re: [PRR] Trainstuff Colossus Project
From: Jerry Britton
On 3/2/00 1:32 PM, Gary Mittner (mittner@webtv.net) wrote:
> Trainstuff has announced their "Colossus Project" on their web site.
> It simply says "if you are a Pennsy fan you won't want to miss this, it
> is museum quality and bigger than a bread box". They go on to say
> that it will be debuted at the Savannah Prototype Modeler's Show March
> 24-25.
>
> Anyone know what this is?
>
> I say:
>
> Hmmmm, Bigger than a bread box. I assume this is HO scale? A breadbox is
> pretty big, assuming it is not an HO Scale breadbox. I will take a
> guess, (my own personal wishs). Either a PRR Style Coaling Tower or a
> PRR Roundhouse! Those are both bigger than a Breadbox, real or HO sale
> size. ..... Gary.
They aren't even clueing in the dealer network. However, since it is being
unveiled at a "Prototype" show, it would seem that it is probably based on a
true prototype.
Roundhouses and coaling towers came in many forms on the PRR, almost as many
as towers. (Thankfully we have Bob Strong to build us any tower we want!)
My guess is a station component. Since TrainStuff is located in the
northeast (Mass., I believe) and they are all modelers of NE lines, I'm
thinking its going to be from the eastern end of the PRR.
It's also cited as "museum quality". Hmmm. Could it be? No! Not Penn
Station!!! ;-)
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From: "Chany, Christopher"
Subject: RE: [PRR] Trainstuff Colossus Project
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:33:49 -0500
Well according to the Phila Chapter newsletter They're producing MP54's in
coach, baggage coach, and baggage mail along with a 90F82 tender for the
Bowser I1. The newsletter also states Miracle is working on Centipedes!
Chris Chany
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From: KEMACPRR@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:50:49 EST
Subject: Re: [PRR] Trainstuff Colossus Project
My guess would be a Centipede. will be interesting to see what they use for a
drive.
Ken
McCorry
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 14:36:06 -0500
Subject: [PRR] HO Code 100 Track
From: Jerry Britton
I checked the archives, but could not find a good answer to my current
question, even though we discussed all around it a few months back.
Looking to build my mainline in Code 100 w/brown ties. I need some curved
turnouts and I'd like to use the ready-made type. Walthers/Shinohara makes
them in #6 and #8, but I need something in between, even in 1/2 sizes, if
possible. Any recommendations? What about BK Engineering, anyone have
experience with them?
Next question. We previously discussed that Code 83 would be appropriate for
the Harrisburg station tracks. Would two of the prototype through tracks
have remained at 155 pound rail (Code 100 equiv.) or would all ten have been
lighter?
Would the step-down to lighter rail have occured AFTER the yard throat or
BEFORE? In other words, should my turnouts be Code 100 or Code 83?
May even step down to some Code 70 for some of the very light industry in
the area. We'll see what all fits. Thanks!
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From: NDBPRR@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:14:31 EST
Subject: [PRR] Manhattan Transfer
Where were engines serviced that came off for the DD1's at M. T.? How far
away was it?
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 08:59:52 -0500
From: Andy Miller
Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR 21 Roomette Passenger Car
Ted,
PS never made any 21 rmts for the PRR. Most were made by Budd. Those
at the lower end of the alphabet were made by ACF. The Budd cars had a
unique "paneled" side. It was stainless steel, but not fluted. It did
have the usual Budd fluted roof with the two heavy ribs down the top.
The ACF cars were smooth side. I believe the NKP is doing the Budd
version of the car. It was the more numerous.
I have a NKP Prod C&O 10-6 Pullman yet to be built. The sides are
etched nickel plated brass. As such they have a lovely stainless steel
shine, but I suspect the depth of the fluting is shallow. I believe the
USP gets their fluting closer to the right depth.
Regards,
Andy Miller
asmiller@mitre.org
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"Andrews, Ted" wrote:
>
> Gentlemen:
>
> In the latest MR that arrived yesterday, NKP Products had an advertisement
> of their new model, the 21-roomette passenger car in HO scale. I do not have
> the ad in front of me but I believe it is the Pullman Standard version. The
> photo of the model looks very, very good.
>
> Has anyone built NKP cars before? Are they similar to using the Union
> Station Products car sides and the ECW "core" kit?
>
> The 21-Roomette car was widely used on the PRR from the late 40's on. In my
> 1948 passenger timetable, this car could be found on nearly all of the Blue
> Ribbon Fleet including the Broadway Limited. This will be a great model to
> have.
>
> Start stockin' em, Jerry!!
>
> Ted Andrews
> Carmel, Indiana
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From: "boxcar46"
Subject: [PRR] Do we have a problem ?
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 05:53:22 -0500
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I for one can't get into Jerry's machine.....and I haven't seen any mail =
from anyone on the list ? All the other list work fine, so whats up ?
Bill Knepper
PRRT&HS # 1818
(boxcar46@nfdc.net)
End of the NCR tracks, New Freedom, Pa.
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 21:10:01 -0600
From: "doug.kisala"
Subject: [PRR] More 1361 information
Hello list,
There's more news on K4s 1361 at www.trainweb.org/horseshoecurve-nhrs.
Enjoy!
Doug
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:53:44 -0500
Subject: [PRR] How To Really Market "Colossus"
From: Jerry Britton
Boy, the folks at TrainStuff must really want to sell their products. I
tried to send them e-mail using the e-mail link from their web site:
> The following message could not be delivered because the address
> custsrv@trainstuffllc.com was rejected by host trainstuffllc.com
> (209.60.16.140).
> 550 ... User unknown
>
Just think of how much business they might be missing! ;-)
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From: Stuthayer@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:15:54 EST
Subject: Re: [PRR] Trainstuff Colossus Project
Here's a wild guess.....Centipedes!
Stuart Thayer
In a message dated Thu, 2 Mar 2000 1:17:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Bill Laird" writes:
> Trainstuff has announced their "Colossus Project" on their web site. It simply says "if you are a Pennsy fan you won't want to miss this, it is museum quality and bigger than a bread box". They go on to say that it will be debuted at the Savannah Prototype Modeler's Show March 24-25.
>
> Anyone know what this is?
>
> Bill Laird
> Canyon Lake, Texas
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From: "Chris Brandt"
Subject: [PRR] Detailed maps (NJ)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:17:56 -0500
Greetings to the group,
NJDOT has put up some really nice hi-res county maps on their website.
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/gis/county_maps.htm
Lots of detail and abandoned tracks as well.
Chris Brandt
cobrandt@eclipse.net
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From: TGREGMRTN@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:19:03 EST
Subject: Re: [PRR] Trainstuff Colossus Project
Bill,
I know what it is but I am sworn not to tell. But, most will not be disappointed!
Greg Martin
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From: SUVCWORR@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:50:12 EST
Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR USRA gondolas
All:
G24 data
No. cars on roster
G24 1944 1949 1952
351473-351872 400 400 399
751043-751329 178 178 177
775755-775966 132 131 129
882514-882563 38 38 38
cuft 1826 OL: 42 11 IH: 4 8 IL: 41 6 IW: 9 5 EXW: 10 3 EXH: 8
4
Rich Orr
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From: SUVCWORR@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:03:45 EST
Subject: Re: [PRR] New Intermountain and Lifelike composite gondolas in HO
In a message dated 03/02/2000 10:31:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,
robs@actel.com writes:
<< Unfortunately Rich's roster data on the page doesn't differentiate between
composite and steel sided cars...
>>
All:
I went back through the ORER issues used to develop the freight car
information. By 1944 the cars were all listed as all steel, tight ends, wood
floor.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that these were converted from composite
to all steel as part of the car building and rebuilding program of the mid
30's. I can't seem to locate the article at the moment.
Rich Orr
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:51:08 -0500
From: Casimer P Zakrzewski
Subject: Re: [PRR] Trainstuff Colossus Project
If it is Penn Station (now that *would* be a
'colossus'), I think I'd want one.
Zak
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From: "pgrace"
Subject: [PRR] Imports
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:40:53 -0000
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While the John Bull is the best known import by the Pennsy there was a =
later import.. In the late 1890's a Webb compound was imported. It was a =
copy by Bayer Peacock of a "Dreadnaught" class locomotive of the London =
& North Western Railway. This arrangement instead of the LNWR works at =
Crewe because British laws forbade railway works building locomotives =
for export. It was a 2-4-0 tender locomotive, but as a result of the =
design it was effectively a 2-2-2-0 locomotive. It was possible to get =
the wheels spinning in opposite directions! I believe it was numbered =
1520. ( The information above comes from a book called Railways at the =
Turn of the Century by O.S. Nock ). Does any one else know anything =
about it.
Patrick Grace
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locomotive of=20
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LNWR=20
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the=20
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the=20
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Century=20
by O.S. Nock ). Does any one else know anything about it.
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:13:21 -0500
From: DDembinski
Subject: Re: [PRR] Detailed maps (NJ)
For those who are so inclined, another site to visit for maps is http://www.topozone.com.
You can zoom in and see a fair amount of detail, like the location of buildings and RR
tracks. Abandoned roadbeds can be spotted because of their higher elevation than the
surrounding land. Much cheaper than buying topographic maps for ALL those favorite areas.
Here is a link that will take you directly to Horseshoe Curve:
http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=40.4926&lon=-78.4677&s=25&size=m
In this view, note that there is a tiny (on the map, at least) abandoned reservoir located
south of Kittanning Reservoir, somewhat near the tracks. Might this have been a water
source for track pans? Would track pans have been needed this close to Altoona?
Dale
Chris Brandt wrote:
> Greetings to the group,
>
> NJDOT has put up some really nice hi-res county maps on their website.
>
> http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/gis/county_maps.htm
>
> Lots of detail and abandoned tracks as well.
>
> Chris Brandt
> cobrandt@eclipse.net
> http://www.eclipse.net/~cobrandt
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From: Bobspf@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:36:45 EST
Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR USRA gondolas
In a message dated 3/2/2000 4:22:33 PM Central Standard Time,
SUVCWORR@aol.com writes:
<< G24 data
No. cars on roster
G24 1944 1949 1952
351473-351872 400 400 399
751043-751329 178 178 177
775755-775966 132 131 129
882514-882563 38 38 38 >>
Just to correct the record, I missed the 351xxx series in my post about 1953.
There were 282 left in that series in 1953 to add to the 263 in the other
three series.
Bob Zoeller
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From: DWa9975062@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:39:50 EST
Subject: [PRR] "Colossus"
Jerry & List - I know I've been very quiet lately as we up here at Trainstuff
have been very busy. So let me try to put all my thoughts in this one post.
First of all let me thank the Philadelphia Chapter members for their help and
encouragement for almost a year now. You know who you are and you know my
thanks are sincere. Loosing ones eyesight is a terrible thing to happen to
anyone but when it happens suddenly to a first rate modeler it's a real
tragedy. For those of you who have e-mailed John with words of
encouragement,(especially you Greg, you rascal!) it has been appreciated.
John used to build all our masters. When he first became ill we had the
Wallingford Station which was half turned into a kit. We had the MP54s which
we were making into a one piece shell so it would be easier to put together
and "Colossus" was in it's planning stage. Plus several projects for other
railroads. My partners and I, when the dust settled took a good long look and
said "What are we going to do?" We went for about 2 1/2 months turning away
work. People were sending us checks with notes saying when you get a
chance...send me this or that. We were overwhelmed by the amount of trust
people had in us. So we all dug in and here is where we are today. The
Wallingford Station is complete and we are waiting on packaging and the
printed instructions are being reviewed for ease of assembly. The MP54s are
well underway (after someone filed off all the rivets by mistake and we had
to start over!). Now we come to "Colossus". When we announce what "Colossus"
is we will also tell the list who built the masters. It is not a centipede.
It is not an HO scale breadbox. And Penn Station in HO scale would be
approximately the size of a '56 Buick. And Jerry don't ask me how I know
that. We do intend to let our dealer network know before Savannah what it is.
It probably won't be ready for sale until the end of April. We will post
pictures on our website and in Mainline Modeler as soon as we can. Our main
concern at this point is keeping the price down. We built "Colossus" as a
tribute to the Pennsylvania Railroad and the wonderful people who remember
it. It's not going to be cheap but we are going to try to keep the price
within just about everyone's reach. Jerry - it must have been a cyber gremlin
that told you "host unknown". I just tested it and its working fine. I've
taken up enough space for tonight. Thank you and God Bless you all.
Dayna
Trainstuff LLC
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From: "Bill Bigler"
Subject: Re: [PRR] K4s 1361 restoration photos at Steam Central
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:46:31 -0500
With respect to 1361, I understand that the Museum in Altoona doesn't plan
to use it in excursion service (nowhere practical to run it), but may run it
back and forth on a museum track. If so, that's a lot of $$$ for a rebuild
they don't plan to use! Along the way, does anyone know whether Steamtown
plans to run it up the hill to test it? I'd go to great trouble to be there
for that one, if they do and I can find out when! Assuming I can find
somewhere to stand among the crowds!
Bill Bigler
Big Flats NY
Modeling PRR Renovo Div. WWII
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Subject: [PRR] K4s 1361 restoration photos at Steam Central
>Hello list,
>
>Steam Central (www.Steamcentral.com) has a new page on K4s 1361's
>restoration. There are several nice photos. Enjoy!
>
>Doug
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From: BPX29@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:00:20 EST
Subject: Re: [PRR] HO Code 100 Track
Jerry,
I've had some limited experience with the BK switches and I generally like
them, but be sure to buy the complete kit and not just the points/frog,
because the price difference isn't much and saves a lot of gauging. I have a
freind who's used about a dozen of the larger sizes in his passenger terminal
and really likes them. I've used a few #5's and have had good luck in a
fairly busy yard area.
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 20:00:55 -0500
From: Patrick James Rieger
Subject: Re: [PRR] K4s 1361 restoration photos at Steam Central
Bill Bigler wrote:
>
> With respect to 1361, I understand that the Museum in Altoona doesn't plan
> to use it in excursion service (nowhere practical to run it), but may run it
> back and forth on a museum track. If so, that's a lot of $$$ for a rebuild
> they don't plan to use! Along the way, does anyone know whether Steamtown
> plans to run it up the hill to test it? I'd go to great trouble to be there
> for that one, if they do and I can find out when! Assuming I can find
> somewhere to stand among the crowds!
They have no place to run it NOW but who knows what the future may bring.
Patrick
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From: "Andy Cich"
Subject: RE: [PRR] "Colossus"
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:20:39 -0600
I'm hoping "Colossus" is a working model of the South Branch Bridge in
Chicago.
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:36:55 EST
Subject: Re: [PRR] "Colossus"
Sorry - Wrong guess. Dayna
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 20:01:09 -0600
From: "doug.kisala"
Subject: [PRR] G24 questions
Hello list,
Thanks to all of you who corrected my misidentification of the new
Intermountain G24. I think I will wait for the PRR version before I
spring for one (laziness wins again over paint and decals...).
Doug
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:29:11 -0500 (EST)
From: bubbles@visi.net
Subject: [PRR] Colossus
Hi...
My guess for this would be that its old Broad Street station.
Besides Penn station in New York....Broad street station
was one of the many things the PRR was known by.
Now if its not this....then perhaps its one of these....
Hell Gate bridge in New York....The S-1.or.Q-2...The FF-1 or DD-1
or perhaps a kit for the Rockville bridge....Remember folks...
The PRR was known for a lot of BIG things....LOL
Til Later
Hank Mummert
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:54:31 -0500 (EST)
From: bubbles@visi.net
Subject: [PRR] Colossus
Hi all....
Hmmmm speaking of things Colossus....The NEC main (former PRR
Washington to New York main) roughly rounded off is about
240 miles....
Now if you were to model this in exact scale (of 240 Miles)
in H.O. including all yards,stations,signals,switches,bridges,etc.
you would need 2.75 REAL miles to do it in. This of course
because of its size would have to be a outdoor operation
(Hmmm more prototypically correct?) and Lord only knows
how many people you would need to build and operate it and what the
costs would be for supplies and electrical bills(a 1:87 PRR NEC
electric bill.) You really would need a Wilmington shops
and Penn coach yard to keep it going too.Now this would really
be a Colossus!
Well enough of this light hearted rambling....
Anyone got 2.75 miles of real estate to spare? LOL
Til Later
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From: steveh@dotstar.net (Stephen Hoxie)
Subject: Re: [PRR] HO Code 100 Track
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:53:59 -0800
Jerry--I have several BK #6 turnouts in code 70 in use in my yards. I
like them a lot, and I prefer to use just the point/frog. Although I
have to file the stock rails where they are contacted by the points,
this lets the rails flow right into the turnout. Next best thing to
laying everything by hand. Also, with everything in guage, I have no
difficulty with shorts affecting the DCC system.
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 22:14:23 -0500
From: Patrick James Rieger
Subject: Re: [PRR] running the k4
Greg Stone wrote:
> My real dream would be to see her under the coaling tower at Renovo.
Mine would be to see her running up the Fort Wayne Line pulling Tuscan
Red heavyweights. it is extremely unlikely to happen but I can dream! :)
Patrick
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:50:29 -0500 (EST)
From: bubbles@visi.net
Subject: [PRR] A running K-4
Hi again all...
Perhaps we should ask Bill Knepper about this...but what about the
possibility of running 1361 between York and New Freedom on the
former PRR Northern Central. 1361 has been there before....both
in PRR days and during the 1980's. And this line is'nt under
Conrail..Er Norfolk Southern control.
Ehhh it could happen. The'll find someplace for her to run.
Hmmm it be fitting for her to run on NJT's Jersey lines again
as in days of old.
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From: DWa9975062@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:18:48 EST
Subject: Re: [PRR] Colossus
Hank - Because you're trying so hard and those were all worthy guesses I'm
going to give you a little clue. It does have something to do with bridges. I
have been told but am not sure that it is the last of it's kind still in
operation. In fact it is very easy to see. That's it for clues. Jerry will be
able to post the answer shortly before Savannah. One person immediately
guessed and has already sent out a deposit even though we don't have the
faintest idea what it will cost. We don't want any more orders until the
prototype is finished.
Dayna
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Subject: Re: [PRR] running the k4
From: Fred G Rea
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 00:31:15 EST
Why not the Panhandle. The Ohio Central has a bunch of tuscan (well
almost tuscan) heavyweights and they run steam!
Fred Rea
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 00:40:32 -0500
From: Patrick James Rieger
Subject: Re: [PRR] running the k4
Fred G Rea wrote:
>
> Why not the Panhandle. The Ohio Central has a bunch of tuscan (well
> almost tuscan) heavyweights and they run steam!
How easy would it be to transport 1361 from Altoona to a place where it
could run on the Ohio Central? What requirements would NS demand? I
think a good number of excursions would be needed to justify taking the
K4s so far from home and making it worthwhile. It couldn't be taken back
into its own bed each night.
Patrick
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From: KEMACPRR@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:46:34 EST
Subject: Re: [PRR] HO Code 100 Track
Jerry, the big visual difference between Code 100 and 83 is not the rail.
It's the attachment clips holding the rail to the tie strip. The Atlas 100
has a big block as a spike which stands out in closeups. Take a look at some
Model Power Code 100. It flex's almost as nice as the Atlas is usually
cheaper and the spike detail is much smaller. Regarding turnouts the
Walthers/ Shinohara can be adjusted slightly by cutting the webbing between
ties. The frog area is pretty well fixed but the rest can be changed from
it's original configuration. Since both 83 and 100 have about the same
turnout selection either could be used. I wouldn't worry about the visual
difference between 83 and 100 to make a here is the 152 lb. rail and here is
the 136 lb. rail. The difference between 83/100 and the code 70 will be
noticible. I can't tell you how many people have asked me after seeing the
rr whose code 83 did I use !! They just stand there when I tell them it's all
Code 100 just weathered and ballasted.
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From: GenJim833@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 05:32:41 EST
Subject: Re: [PRR] A running K-4
NJ Transit would be a good place for the 1361 to run, especially since the
C&O 614 is up for sale and is not likely to be available for any trips on NJ
Transit this year. Both are really beautiful engines. Though I am not really
much into steam, I would kind of like to see 1361 strut her stuff at a good
speed like I saw C&O 614, N&W611 and NKP765plus MILW 261 do, beautiful
engines all. To add this PRR engine to these proud steeds in operation would
be to add a t ouch of class and the PRR was a classy railroad in its day.
Jim Mancuso
Perry, NY
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From: Bobspf@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:00:35 EST
Subject: Re: [PRR] HO Code 100 Track
In a message dated 3/2/2000 11:54:39 PM Central Standard Time,
KEMACPRR@aol.com writes:
<< I wouldn't worry about the visual
difference between 83 and 100 to make a here is the 152 lb. rail and here is
the 136 lb. rail. The difference between 83/100 and the code 70 will be
noticible. I can't tell you how many people have asked me after seeing the
rr whose code 83 did I use !! They just stand there when I tell them it's
all
Code 100 just weathered and ballasted. >>
Although I prefer the subtle difference between code 83 and code 100,
couldn't agree with you more about the weathering and ballasting making a big
difference. In addition, we so far have ramped down our industrial sidings
from the mainline to "no ballast" (read no roadbed) without changing rail to
code 70. The effect of going from a heavy ballasted main line with drainage
to a weed grown buried tie siding is achieved all with code 83 and is
effective. However, on my own layout I will change rail as well to "double
the pleasure".
Bob Zoeller
Cedar Creek Central Railroad
Jackson, Wisconsin
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:14:03 -0600
From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D."
Subject: Re: [PRR] HO Code 100 Track
Jerry,
>Next question. We previously discussed that Code 83 would be appropriate for
>the Harrisburg station tracks. Would two of the prototype through tracks
>have remained at 155 pound rail (Code 100 equiv.) or would all ten have been
>lighter?
I will also agree that you would be better off to stick with one size rail
and to emphasize the differences with ballast. A good example of this
would be to use a darker ballast on all sidings, and to have the ballast
cover more of the ties. In the Harrisburg station, I would alos modle some
protoypically wet areas where steam lines have leaked and or water has
pooled. As an additional note, apparently, Atlas has re-issued the code
100 with much more protoypical sized spike heads...or so the rumor mill
says.
Happy Rails
Bruce
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From: "lew matt"
Subject: Re: [PRR] HO Code 100 Track
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:30:01 -0500
Jerry:
I have to concur with Ken. I had passenger station tracks, on a previous
layout, with code 100 mainline tracks, code 83 passing tracks, code 70 track
at the baggage/mail car storage tracks and some code 55 on the adjacent
freight tracks. After the rail was properly weathered, you had to carefully
study the passenger tracks to see the differences. Even the code 70 was not
easy to spot and differentiate from normal viewing distance. The code 55
was easy to notice, though.
I no longer worry about rail size on the layout beyond three feet from
normal view unless I seriously intend to make a photo display of that
particular area. I only use different rail sizes right up at the edge of
the layout. I do use Model Power up front, and the Atlas in the back,
tunnels, hidden sidings etc.
On turnouts, I scratchbuild all the curved and special turnouts and turnouts
right up front and use weathered Atlas Custom Line (and others) other
places. Once the track is in, weathered and ballasted, it is VERY difficult
to tell weather a turnout is scratchbuilt or Rivarossi, brass or nickle
silver, metal or plastic frog. (Don't use plastic frogs in high traffic
areas, they don't wear well over the years). If you are building a photo
diorama that will be inspected up close, in detail, then go ahead and spend
the time to make everything exact scale.
Years ago, my then 13 yr old son, without my knowledge, weathered all my
turnouts (Atlas, Shinoharra, Rivarossi, Model Power etc) by scrubbing them
with a toothbrush and detergent, rinsing and soaking them upside down in
Hobby Black in a glass baking dish, then put them in the dishwasher to clean
them off. *Fortunately for him*, it worked. The turnouts blackened nicely
and there has never been any corrosion on them or electrical contact
problems. I do this routinely now, and it makes weathering a turnout easy.
Have fun!
Lew
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From: KEMACPRR@aol.com
To: jerry@pennsyrr.com
Cc: Prr-talk@dsop.com
Date: Friday, March 03, 2000 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [PRR] HO Code 100 Track
>Jerry, the big visual difference between Code 100 and 83 is not the rail.
>It's the attachment clips holding the rail to the tie strip. The Atlas 100
>has a big block as a spike which stands out in closeups. Take a look at
some
>Model Power Code 100. It flex's almost as nice as the Atlas is usually
>cheaper and the spike detail is much smaller. Regarding turnouts the
>Walthers/ Shinohara can be adjusted slightly by cutting the webbing between
>ties. The frog area is pretty well fixed but the rest can be changed from
>it's original configuration. Since both 83 and 100 have about the same
>turnout selection either could be used. I wouldn't worry about the visual
>difference between 83 and 100 to make a here is the 152 lb. rail and here
is
>the 136 lb. rail. The difference between 83/100 and the code 70 will be
>noticible. I can't tell you how many people have asked me after seeing the
>rr whose code 83 did I use !! They just stand there when I tell them it's
all
>Code 100 just weathered and ballasted.
>
>Ken McCorry
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From: BPX29@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:03:03 EST
Subject: [PRR] CODE 100 TRACK
Jerry & Folks,
Well, I'm glad to see other people besides myself use the old standard code 100, and Model Power flex, no less. I like the extreme flexiiblity of the stuff, and used to get it from Standard Hobby Supplyt for about $.89 a section. I think it's about $1.29 nowadays. It looks good, as well. Now sure where they make it now, used to be Austria and/or Jugoslavia (now Croatia).My standards have been Atlas and Peco, but nothing wrong with MP flex.
Personally, I never would have used any code 83 except that an outfit in California once sent me 60 sections of it rather than the code 100 I'd asked for. Truly, except for the large Atlas 'tie plates', the differnces are hard to spot at any range. For a while it was a status thing to use code 70, but it's way too small for Pennsy main lines, obviously.
As for the BK switches, if you want a notch in the stock rail (sometimes called a "Sampson Fit"), it's easy enough to file one in the kit version. Pecos, by the way, already come with one, another mark in their favor.
Regards,
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 10:20:20 -0500
Subject: Re: [PRR] CODE 100 TRACK
From: Jerry Britton
On 3/3/00 10:03 AM, BPX29@aol.com (BPX29@aol.com) wrote:
> Well, I'm glad to see other people besides myself use the old standard code
> 100...my
> standards have been Atlas and Peco, but nothing wrong with MP flex.
Seems that most people prefer Code 100 and Atlas. Big task is weathering.
> As for the BK switches, if you want a notch in the stock rail (sometimes
> called a "Sampson Fit"), it's easy enough to file one in the kit version.
> Pecos, by the way, already come with one, another mark in their favor.
I cited wanting curved turnouts between the #6 and #8 that Shinohara offers.
Walthers Code 83, made by Shinohara, is also available in #7. From here on
out, Walthers will be the exclusive distributor of all Shinohara, under
their name, so maybe we'll see #7 in Code 100 in the future.
I could really use #6.5 and #7.5 as well. Why? My main line ends and
disappears into hidding staging. To do so, it must turn 180-degrees with an
outer radius of no more than 40". The entrance to staing is CORK
interlocking, which will provide three yard lead tracks. If I can start the
yard throat on this curve, it will significantly lengthen my stub-end yard
tracks.
The #6, if I recall, is based on 20" and 24" radii. The #8, 32" and 36".
Some sizes in the middle would bode well for meeting my needs.
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From: BPX29@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:53:06 EST
Subject: Re: [PRR] CODE 100 TRACK
Jerry,
WHOA......what radii did you cite for those curved switchs? "he #6, if I recall, is based on 20" and 24" radii. The #8, 32" and 36".
Some sizes in the middle would bode well for meeting my needs."
You might want to check out those tables in Armstrong's Track Planning for Realistic Operation. I don't have it here at work (can't get away with that much), but I think the nominal radius on a number 6 is in the 60-some inch radius and a number 8 goes up around 90-100 inchs. Even the Peco curved ('large') is in the region of 36" off a 60" radius. Maybe you should post this question to the LDSIG list? Somebody over there always has this data handy.
Barry Peltier
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 11:03:40 -0500
Subject: Re: [PRR] CODE 100 TRACK
From: Jerry Britton
On 3/3/00 10:53 AM, BPX29@aol.com (BPX29@aol.com) wrote:
> WHOA......what radii did you cite for those curved switchs? "he #6, if I
> recall, is based on 20" and 24" radii. The #8, 32" and 36".
Walthers quotes those for their Code 83, and a mail order house in the
current MR cites those for Code 100 Shinohara.
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From: Bobspf@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:31:49 EST
Subject: Re: [PRR] CODE 100 TRACK
In a message dated 3/3/2000 10:01:03 AM Central Standard Time, BPX29@aol.com
writes:
<< WHOA......what radii did you cite for those curved switchs? "he #6, if
I recall, is based on 20" and 24" radii. The #8, 32" and 36".
Some sizes in the middle would bode well for meeting my needs."
You might want to check out those tables in Armstrong's Track Planning for
Realistic Operation. I don't have it here at work (can't get away with that
much), but I think the nominal radius on a number 6 is in the 60-some inch
radius and a number 8 goes up around 90-100 inchs. >>
I think you are right on the curved leg through the frog on a standard No 6.
However, the No. 6-1/2 curved of Walthers Shinohara flows into 20/24inch
radii, the No. 7 to 24/28, the No. 7-1/2 to 28/32, and the No. 8 to 32/36. I
don't know if the frogs are curved or straight on the curved turnouts, and
don't know what the radius is if they are curved. Will let you know as we
are in the process of buying and installing our first curved turnout.
BTW, Jerry, I agree with Barry. Ask the question over on the LDSIG list.
You might also ask how much trouble you are buying with curved turnouts,
especially in quantity in key locations. We are approaching it cautiously in
a tight situation at a major mine.
Bob Zoeller
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From: SUVCWORR@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:55:41 EST
Subject: Re: [PRR] CODE 100 TRACK
In a message dated 03/03/2000 11:11:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jerry@pennsyrr.com writes:
<< Walthers quotes those for their Code 83, and a mail order house in the
current MR cites those for Code 100 Shinohara.
- >>
Jerry,
Remember that Walthers and Shinohara are one and the same. Shinohara makes
the Walthers turnouts and simple changes the name on the back ot the finished
product. Only need to made dew dies for the back of the ties to accomplishe
this.
Rich Orr
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:01:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [PRR] CODE 100 TRACK
From: Jerry Britton
On 3/3/00 11:55 AM, SUVCWORR@aol.com (SUVCWORR@aol.com) wrote:
> << Walthers quotes those for their Code 83, and a mail order house in the
> current MR cites those for Code 100 Shinohara.
> - >>
> Jerry,
>
> Remember that Walthers and Shinohara are one and the same. Shinohara makes
> the Walthers turnouts and simple changes the name on the back ot the finished
> product. Only need to made dew dies for the back of the ties to accomplishe
> this.
Yes, Rich, I realize that and pointed that out in one of my other e-mails.
However, for anyone to look it up in a catalog, anything other than Code 83
is still under the Shinohara name. However, I've been told that Walthers has
secured the rights as exclusive distributor for them as of the next catalog.
The current printed Walthers catalog has them under their respective names.
However, their online catalog already has them all under the Walthers name.
Just wish they'd offer more sizes in Code 100.
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From: BPX29@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:07:14 EST
Subject: Re: [PRR] CODE 100 TRACK
Bob,
Boy oh boy, are you correct about using caution on mainline curved switchs! I've got some Pecos in service, but it took some real didling to line them where I wanted them. (I'm using them in a curved cross-over). They have the nice feature of serving as something of a spiral curve, but like all such transistion curves, they have to figured into your track alignment. It's not like going from a tangent into a 36" radius curve, for example, and I was crazy enough to go from curve switch to curved switch. Looks good now, but keep your Xuron sharp! (And an old one for nipping ties).
By the way, did you guys ever notice that horrendous kink, using a Shinohara, in the track section of the Walthers catalog? I think it's on the first page of the Walthers track section. Heck, these guys make the darn things and even they couldn't get it to line up!
Have fun, but lay aside a little extra time.
Regards,
Barry Peltier
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From: LeeRainey@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:26:09 EST
Subject: Re: [PRR] Re : PRR Brain Teaser
In a message dated 2/24/2000 4:29:50 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mittner@webtv.net writes:
<< he additional info Rick brings up leads me to this answer. Now we
must build a Locomotive Test Plant similar to the one the PRR used in
Altoona to figure out the scale tractive effort. In HO scale proportions
of course. ....Gary >>
I seem to recall Gordon Odegaard doing this in Model Railroader about 1960 --
used a hanging spring scale like you would weigh a fish with.
Hmmm.
Nothing new under the sun.
Lee Rainey
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From: LeeRainey@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:07:16 EST
Subject: Re: [PRR] Serious business
In a message dated 2/21/2000 9:08:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,
velure@surfnj.net writes:
<< Modelers have a minor interest in the Prototype,
in that they only need to know the color of the locomotives, the types of
equipment used and the time frames they operated in, and also typical
traffic routings and types. when you start getting into the minutiae of
operations and super detail information, such as the locomotive XXXX was the
only one to have the XXXX, the modelers turn a deaf ear. >>
I am not sure what modelers you are thinking of, but that is not the case
here. The pursuit of this kind of detail is the main reason I belong to BOTH
this on-line group and the PRRT&HS -- and will continue to do so.
Lee Rainey
PRRT&HS 6009
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:42:53 -0500
Subject: [PRR] ROY Interlocking
From: Jerry Britton
With regards to ROY interlocking at Royalton, Pa. (Middletown) where the
main line and the Columbia Branch join on their way to Harrisburg...
When was the Columbia Branch reduced from two tracks to one?
The interlocking diagram on Mark Bej's site shows it as one track. The
diagram is marked revised as of 1962.
Triumph II contains a diagram which shows both tracks.
Per usual, am trying to substantiate status as of 1954.
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From: "lew matt"
Subject: Re: [PRR] CODE 100 TRACK, curved turnouts
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:17:03 -0500
I've been using curved turnouts since 1965. I prefer them for yard leads
because they really l@@k good! :-) They are also great for "compacting"
passing sidings, yard leads etc, where space is at a premium. I've used
commercially made and scratchbuilt ones and have had no more problems with
the curved turnouts than with straight turnouts (except for some early Model
Power brass w/plastic frog). In operation, I noticed that the segment of
arc with a curved turnout is so short that the radius doesn't really make a
lot of difference for the wide minimum radius equipment I own. If you are
running a rigid frame S2 it might, but my P5s, L6, L5, T1s, J1, GG1s and
Milw Little Joe can negotiate all my #6, #8 et al curved turnouts at speed.
I prefer to build straight frog curved turnouts for large radii crossovers
only because they are easier to build. I built a curved frog #3 for an
industrial area that works rather well. The curved points are designed to
be a short spiral easement into the tighter radius frog area. When you buy
or make a curved turnout, you *gotta* check every clearance carefully and
gage everything. Make sure the sharp end of the point on the outside curve
nestles into the rail very well because a wheel will have more opportunity
to pick the point on the outside of a curve than any other area. Same with
the curved frog point, but not so much the straight frog in a curved
turnout. If you have trouble with flanges picking the outside curve point,
do what the real RRs do, put a guard rail just before the inside curve point
to keep the wheels from bearing too tightly on the outside.
Lew Matt
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From: Bobspf@aol.com
To: prr-talk@dsop.com
Date: Friday, March 03, 2000 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [PRR] CODE 100 TRACK
>In a message dated 3/3/2000 10:01:03 AM Central Standard Time,
BPX29@aol.com
>writes:
>
><< WHOA......what radii did you cite for those curved switchs? "he #6,
if
>I recall, is based on 20" and 24" radii. The #8, 32" and 36".
> Some sizes in the middle would bode well for meeting my needs."
> You might want to check out those tables in Armstrong's Track Planning for
>Realistic Operation. I don't have it here at work (can't get away with that
>much), but I think the nominal radius on a number 6 is in the 60-some inch
>radius and a number 8 goes up around 90-100 inchs. >>
>
>I think you are right on the curved leg through the frog on a standard No
6.
>However, the No. 6-1/2 curved of Walthers Shinohara flows into 20/24inch
>radii, the No. 7 to 24/28, the No. 7-1/2 to 28/32, and the No. 8 to 32/36.
I
>don't know if the frogs are curved or straight on the curved turnouts, and
>don't know what the radius is if they are curved. Will let you know as we
>are in the process of buying and installing our first curved turnout.
>
>BTW, Jerry, I agree with Barry. Ask the question over on the LDSIG list.
>You might also ask how much trouble you are buying with curved turnouts,
>especially in quantity in key locations. We are approaching it cautiously
in
>a tight situation at a major mine.
>
>Bob Zoeller
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From: DWa9975062@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:45:02 EST
Subject: [PRR] Colossus
List - In last nights postings someone mentioned that after Colossus we were
going to take a look at tenders and while I have been in touch with a few of
the finest model makers around it is still in the "thinking about it stage".
We have been provided some fine photographs but nothing is set in stone. We
will let you know as soon as it is. Dayna
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 18:55:03 -0500
From: Dany Seymour
Subject: [PRR] Track Pans
I am installing a track pan on my railroad. My question is - what type
of indicators were used to locate the pans and for the firemen to lower
and raise the scoop?
Dan Seymour
Visit the Shark River & Western Railway at
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From: "Rick Schoch"
Subject: Re: [PRR] A running K-4
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:01:18 -0500
I agree! Anyone else want to see 1361 storm out of South Amboy and run down
the NY&LB like days of old? It's just too bad she couldn't take over from a
G!
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Subject: Re: [PRR] A running K-4
> NJ Transit would be a good place for the 1361 to run, especially since the
> C&O 614 is up for sale and is not likely to be available for any trips on
NJ
> Transit this year. Both are really beautiful engines. Though I am not
really
> much into steam, I would kind of like to see 1361 strut her stuff at a
good
> speed like I saw C&O 614, N&W611 and NKP765plus MILW 261 do, beautiful
> engines all. To add this PRR engine to these proud steeds in operation
would
> be to add a t ouch of class and the PRR was a classy railroad in its day.
>
> Jim Mancuso
> Perry, NY
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From: "Rick Schoch"
Subject: Re: [PRR] More 1361 information
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:03:56 -0500
That URL should be www.trainweb.org/horseshoecurve-nrhs .
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To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 10:10 PM
Subject: [PRR] More 1361 information
> Hello list,
>
> There's more news on K4s 1361 at www.trainweb.org/horseshoecurve-nhrs.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Doug
>
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 19:19:28 -0600
From: Larry Reynolds
Subject: [PRR] Code 100 track
Bobspf@aol.com wrote:
> BTW, Jerry, I agree with Barry. Ask the question over on the LDSIG
list.
> You might also ask how much trouble you are buying with curved
turnouts,
> especially in quantity in key locations. We are approaching it
cautiously in
> a tight situation at a major mine.
Hi Bob and All:
Has anyone out there ever tried curving the code 100 and code 83
Shinohara stock
#8 turnouts? I have a number on my layout, and have been told that they
appear
to be hand laid. If you do it right they can really look good, and also
allow
fitting turnouts into places you may not normally put them due to a lack
of a
tangent. It's not all that hard to do, and the results are well worth
the extra
effort. I'm not into, (politically correct for, "I'm not talented
enough to"),
hand laying custom turnouts, so taking a quality part like Shinohara and
curving
it to conform to my track alignment is just the ticket for me.
One other thing. I also read, with a chuckle, Barry Peltier's posting
about the
"horrendous kink using a Shinohara, in the track section of the Walthers
catalog". This is something that has bugged me for years. I'm happy to
see that
someone else has noticed it.
Regards,
Larry
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From: Bobspf@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:27:14 EST
Subject: [PRR] Mystery car
OK, now that we have discussed the white X29 car for battery service, I now
see in Volume 6 of Pennsy diesel years on page 25 a white boxcar with large
roof hatches being switched with a cut of passenger cars at the Chicago coach
yards. Anyone know what it is?
Bob Zoeller
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 21:55:51 -0500
From: "John F. Ryan, Jr."
Subject: [PRR] Colossus
I'm guessing that Colossus is one of the Newark drawbridges.
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From: Paul Stumpff
Subject: RE: [PRR] Track Pans
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 08:07:56 -0500
Danny:
According to my 1925 PRR rule book, no.701:
"Track troughs in service will be marked:
At entrance -by day: white target
by night: lunar white light
At exit: -by day: yellow target
by night: yellow light
At middle
[when used]- same as entrance
Out of service -by day and night, all yellow targets and yellow lights.
Includes other rules concerning coal and water, including that when doubleheading , second engine drops first then halfway first engine does.
One engine on front, one pushing, front engine goes one third way before dropping scoop, pusher when it reaches trough.
Paul Stumpff; Geneva, Ohio [formerly Greenville, PA & Niles, Ohio]
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To: PRR-Talk@dsop.com
Subject: [PRR] Track Pans
I am installing a track pan on my railroad. My question is - what type
of indicators were used to locate the pans and for the firemen to lower
and raise the scoop?
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From: "Wayne S. Betty"
Subject: Re: [PRR] ROY Interlocking
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 09:56:41 -0500
Jerry:
I've checked all my books, and can't find but one picture of traffic on the
Royalton branch (at TMI ) Interesting question, as I have always thought the
branch was single track!
Cos
> With regards to ROY interlocking at Royalton, Pa. (Middletown) where the
> main line and the Columbia Branch join on their way to Harrisburg...
>
> When was the Columbia Branch reduced from two tracks to one?
>
> The interlocking diagram on Mark Bej's site shows it as one track. The
> diagram is marked revised as of 1962.
>
> Triumph II contains a diagram which shows both tracks.
>
> Per usual, am trying to substantiate status as of 1954.
> ---------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 10:29:43 -0600 (CST)
From: harperd@tamug.tamu.edu (Don Harper)
Subject: [PRR] PRR: Engine numbering
Question tor the historians: If an Altoona-built engine is lettered for, and working on, a partly or wholly owned subsidiary line (i.e. New York and Long Branch or Cleveland & Pittsburgh) is the number of the engine also a PRR number?
Don Harper
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5007 Avenue U
Galveston, TX 77551
409/740-4540
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From: "W. Terry Stuart"
Subject: [PRR] Railfan Alert
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:00:28 -0500
Ohio and Pennsylvania Fans... be on the lookout for another ALASKA SD70MAC
and a Central New England GP10, both heading for Conway Yard from opposite
directions.
Details on these and other really neat photo opportunities on the
"OS/Sightings" page at:
www.forcomm.net/flagstop
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From: "Bill Bigler"
Subject: Re: [PRR] A running K-4
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:52:52 -0500
Yes, a running K-4 would be awesome! I, too, have seen all these
locomotives and found them to be really impressive. However, the museum in
Altoona owns the locomotive and will want to use it to attract visitors
and/or revenue for the museum, so they might be reluctant to loan it out too
often. Not to mention that I can't imagine a steam engine turning a profit
in today's world - just costs too much to keep them running. However, the
museum has been good at raising $$$, and there's a lot of abandoned former
PRR right of way around Altoona where track could be laid. Or talk NS into
making the line to Hollidaysburg available to them. Not that NS is very
flexible, but money talks in American business. Just my $0.02 worth!
Bill Bigler
Big Flats NY
Modeling PRR Renovo Div. WWII
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Date: Friday, March 03, 2000 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: [PRR] A running K-4
>NJ Transit would be a good place for the 1361 to run, especially since the
>C&O 614 is up for sale and is not likely to be available for any trips on
NJ
>Transit this year. Both are really beautiful engines. Though I am not
really
>much into steam, I would kind of like to see 1361 strut her stuff at a good
>speed like I saw C&O 614, N&W611 and NKP765plus MILW 261 do, beautiful
>engines all. To add this PRR engine to these proud steeds in operation
would
>be to add a t ouch of class and the PRR was a classy railroad in its day.
>
>Jim Mancuso
>Perry, NY
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From: "Steven Bundick"
Subject: [PRR] Re: ROY Interlocking
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 13:07:43 -0500
Jerry-
I've got an interlocking diagram of ROY dated 1-1-1957. It shows two tracks
on the Columbia branch. It must have been single tracked between 57 and 62.
It's actually labeled 'ROY Block Station', not interlocking. That may
explain why all of the switches are hand operated. I can send you a scan if
you'd like.
-Steve
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From: Jerry Britton
To: PRR-Talk LIST
Date: Friday, March 03, 2000 1:49 PM
Subject: [PRR] ROY Interlocking
>With regards to ROY interlocking at Royalton, Pa. (Middletown) where the
>main line and the Columbia Branch join on their way to Harrisburg...
>
>When was the Columbia Branch reduced from two tracks to one?
>
>The interlocking diagram on Mark Bej's site shows it as one track. The
>diagram is marked revised as of 1962.
>
>Tri