Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 01:30:05 -0500 (EST) From: bubbles@visi.net Subject: [PRR] did y2k get to prr talk hi all... did this supposed y2k get to PRR talk? I haven't gotten any e-mail. Til Later H. Mummert ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Rick Schoch" Subject: [PRR] did y2k get to prr talk Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 02:22:32 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BF53FF.0F0C6660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apparently Y2K didn't get to too much of anything. Thank God for that! = Happy New Year to everyone! Sincerely, Rick ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BF53FF.0F0C6660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Apparently Y2K didn't get to too much of anything. = Thank God=20 for that! Happy New Year to everyone!
Sincerely,
Rick
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BF53FF.0F0C6660-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: PKMac1@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 11:43:46 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] did y2k get to prr talk Happy Millennium All. Y2k is all partied out from last nite. Give them to wake up, eat and let the New Year start talking. We will see what happens when everyone gets back to business to really see what is going to happen. Until then ENJOY. My computer jumped 36 hrs, no problem,just reset the clock and everything has been fine. Pat McKinney ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 07:27:51 EST Subject: [PRR] Re: ***ahhahha. In a message dated 12/30/1999 10:19:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, prrsignals@adelphia.net writes: << ***Hi, Rick- I am thinking that it was the Nations' sesquicentennial, as in 1776 + 150 = 1926 .... huh..??? Too early, but my thoughts... Wanna revise / resend your post ? >> Jack Fravert had a PRR-issued tourist brochure from 1926, featuring the US Sesquicentennial celebration (in Philadelphia, of course). I'd consult it for more info, but a member of our team, Ken Durham, is/will be offering it on eBay. Ken specializes in tourist brochures, of which Jack had several hundred. Sorry I don't know much about the US sesquicentennial per se. I guess my dad was 12 that year, so he didn't go either.... :^) Wonder what other sesquicentennials might have been relevant to your original question? Rick Tipton Louisville KY Remembering the great Pennsylvania Railroad and especially PRR Lines West ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 11:50:20 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Diesel Colors-1952 In a message dated 12/30/1999 11:25:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, steveh@dotstar.net writes: << AP20 (PA1)--all delivered in DGLE with 5 bronze gold stripes. At least some, maybe all, were repainted to Tuscan with 5 dulux gold stripes. A few were painted DGLE with single dulux gold stripe for freight service; I do not know if these saw any service in Tuscan first or went to freight service. >> Only 1 PA1 was ever painted in DGLE single stripe. While often photographed it was a loner. The others remained in Tuscan even in freight service. All of the PB 1 units remained in passenger service. Rich Orr ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: NDBPRR@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 15:08:07 EST Subject: [PRR] PRR identified engine on NS There is an exCR SW1500 at Colehour Yard in Hammond Indiana ( #1614 as I recall) that has been identified PRR for break up purposes in what is a first for me. Instead of the number in a white block with PRR either in the number block or under the number this engine has the intertwined PRR that was used in the keystone. Letters are in black in a white square that is about 6" on each side. Script used looks very close to the PRR used script. Somebody must have a sense of history. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Conan Evans" Subject: RE: [PRR] did y2k get to prr talk Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 09:07:47 -0500 We got a railroad! Rule 281. (Aspect from onerrave.com) I've not seen any system degradations. Anyone hear or see otherwise? I run systems in Asia/Pac, Russia, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, the Americas; I've sat on these things since Thursday, today I go home and kiss my loving and understanding wife. All I've seen is a florescent light tube burn out. Now we wait to see how Monday looks, then on to 2/29/2000, then close of first quarter. All the process docs, the "what ifs" all of it...of course if it was not like this, I would have been burned. We are not out of the tunnel yet, but there is the light. Happy New Year everyone and best wishes into the new 'Century (whoops, wrong RR ) Later... Conan -----Original Message----- From: PRR-Talk@dsop.com [mailto:PRR-Talk@dsop.com]On Behalf Of bubbles@visi.net Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2000 1:30 AM To: PRR-TALK@dsop.com Subject: [PRR] did y2k get to prr talk hi all... did this supposed y2k get to PRR talk? I haven't gotten any e-mail. Til Later H. Mummert ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 11:47:16 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] DGLE MIke: The closest match out of the bottle IMHO is Scalecoat Brunswick green. If used over black plastic or a black primer, it is a good match in artificial light. If used over gray or white plastic, the green is too light. I generally use the SCalecoat with about engine black in a mix of 7:3 for light colored plastics and straight for black plastics. Rich Orr ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 15:28:23 EST Subject: [PRR] 1" Scale PRR Models In a message dated 12/24/99 12:21:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, alcoman@net.bluemoon.net writes: << On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 DPoole17@aol.com wrote: >Just checking to see if I got the address correct in my address book!! Jus >subscribed. I am an AMTRAK engineer and build ONE INCH scale live steam >engines and rolling stock. PRR only!! > >> You probably know this already, but such models are always a big hit at the Pennsylvania Railroad Technical & Historical Society annuals. This year's meeting is in Camp Hill PA ("suburban Enola" to the hardcore railfans) on the first weekend in May. The date is always easy for me to determine, because it's always the same Saturday as the Kentucky Derby. Til the next train out, Rick Tipton - Louisville KY Modeling Pennsylvania RR Columbus Div. 1968 (HO) Operating the Panhandle Route And Remembering PRR Lines West ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 16:54:19 -0600 From: Richard Wallis Subject: [PRR] Re: PRR-Talk Digest - 12/30/99 Alan Buchan wrote: > Subject: "Keystone" emblem > Dan Cupper's "The Pennsylvania Railroad - Its Place in History 1846-1996" > credits it to a May 26, 1901 Form 51 public timetable. Thanks Al. Does anyone know of any earlier emblem or logo used by the PRR? Richard Wallis ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 21:44:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] did y2k get to prr talk From: Jerry Britton On 1/1/00 1:30 AM, bubbles@visi.net at (bubbles@visi.net) wrote: > > did this supposed y2k get to PRR talk? > I haven't gotten any e-mail. PRR-Talk is fine. We're unscathed...running on Macintosh! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@pennsyrr.com Member, PRRT&HS "Merchandise Service", a division of Desktop Solutions of Pennsylvania, Inc., is a reseller of model railroad and railroadiana products. "MS" is also host to the web site "Keystone Crossings", the domain PENNSYRR.COM, and the mailing lists "PRR-Talk", "Conrail- Talk", and "Reading-Talk". When you purchase through "MS", you are providing financial support to these Internet endeavors. Please visit our eCommerce web site at http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com. ------------------------------Thank you!----------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: FarbLand@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 13:36:12 EST Subject: [PRR] (no subject) Guys Happy New Year to all. Quick question I need to replace the horn on a Kato SD40. What aftermarket Horn (DA DW Cal-scale is correct) Thanks Brian C ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: PKMac1@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 17:23:59 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] did y2k get to prr talk Happy New Millennium to all. Any one out there today? No PRR-TALK people on line? Checked this morning about 11:00am and now at 5:20pm and no one but H. Mummert at bubbles@visi.net left a note. Did we loose PRR-TALK? Pat McKinney ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 22:18:27 -0500 From: Bob Zeolla Subject: [PRR] Re: Catenary poles Back in 1979, I worked for an engineering firm in NYC that had a portion of the work involved in the Northeast Corridor Improvement Project. I remember the office having a set of what were called "erection drawings", original engineering drawings of every catenary support structure. The section we were working on was in Maryland, but I have to believe these drawings exist for all electified territories. The firm I worked for was Sverdrup & Parcels. They were working in partnership with Parsons Brinckerhoff on the project. You may want to try and contact either of these companies. I wonder if the Hagley Museum in Delaware has copies of these drawings? May be worth a call. these drawings must be available somewhere! Good Luck. Bob Zeolla ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Rick Schoch" Subject: [PRR] PA1 Paint Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 23:02:53 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01BF54AC.554D4A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There were most definitely TWO PA1's painted DGLE w/single narrow stripe = (freight). See PDY #1, page 29 for pic. Their numbers were 5757 & 5758. = But 5752 on the opposite page sure looks better in the Tuscan 5-stripe!! = Makes me wish I had been born about 10 years earlier! Rick S.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01BF54AC.554D4A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There were most definitely TWO PA1's painted DGLE = w/single=20 narrow stripe (freight). See PDY #1, page 29 for pic. Their numbers were = 5757=20 & 5758. But 5752 on the opposite page sure looks better in the = Tuscan=20 5-stripe!! Makes me wish I had been born about 10 years = earlier!
 
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I tried to phone Jerry (email was already not getting out) on Friday, but discovered that it was a vacation day to most. (We were working.) Anyway, I'm suggesting that a similar issue may have been the reason for the low traffic level. THen again, consider that everyone ELSE, just like you, may have been doing various Y2K stuff like buying party hats; trying to remember if Extra Dry is dryer than Brut, or the other way around; fighting all the blue-haired ladies for the gallon jugs of water, candles, and batteries; trying to figure out a way around the "no return of generators" policy at Sears and Home Depot; and digging that bunker in the back yard. Me? I was just "putting out fires", as they say. Twisted my back digging my bunker, had to quit, trying to see if one of those famous Philadelphia lawyers will take my case. I intend to sue the manufacturer of the spade AND the manufacturer of the Fiberglas(R) handle. Besides suing Mickie Dee's for that hot coffee I spilled on myself while I was digging. How much can you get for Loss of Consortium? :-) -- Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: TGREGMRTN@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 00:16:55 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR AP-20/AFP-20's Hey Yuze, After all my research leading up to the my upcoming article on the ALCO PA/B-1 here's some things that I have found... It seems like certain PA-1's seemed to escape the photographers lens after 1952. I have not seen a photo of the 5750A or 5751A repainted anywhere. You seldom see photos of the 5755A but they are out there. The 5757A and the 5758A were both repainted in DGLE ("Brunswick Green" per Glidden's spec "locomotive dark green enamel" reference Pullman Standards Paint archives 6-5-40 used on four test 12-1 passenger cars) and were retired in that color. They were also often seen running together in a paired set (5757 & 5758). I have found one shot of the set in passenger service in July of 1959 with what appears to be an excursion or a military movement. I have found only one AP-20 (B-unit) repainted into Tuscan with a single broad stripe and Billboard lettering, 5758B. All A-units except 5753A had their traction motor blower vents mounted on the nose outside the door and above the nose centerline. It seems as though there was no standard to the pilot door removal for the permanent opening. All seem to have a different curve at the bottom of the opening if at all. The insulators holding the train phone induction piping on the fireman's side run towards the back, down the end and back forward towards the rear truck until it hits a point above the second journal when a small piece of conduit grounds off to the truck, presumably to receive the signal. The PB-1's were not regeared for freight service but ended their careers in freight service. Nearly all A-units had the rear skirts covering the fuel tanks removed but it seems as though the only B unit with this treatment was the 5758B. Hope this clears up some mysteries and misunderstandings Greg Martin << steveh@dotstar.net writes: << AP20 (PA1)--all delivered in DGLE with 5 bronze gold stripes. At least some, maybe all, were repainted to Tuscan with 5 dulux gold stripes. A few were painted DGLE with single dulux gold stripe for freight service; I do not know if these saw any service in Tuscan first or went to freight service. >> Only 1 PA1 was ever painted in DGLE single stripe. While often photographed it was a loner. The others remained in Tuscan even in freight service. All of the PB 1 units remained in passenger service. Rich Orr >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 07:27:40 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] did y2k get to prr talk In a message dated 1/1/2000 10:30:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, PKMac1@aol.com writes: << Happy New Millennium to all. Any one out there today? No PRR-TALK people on line? Checked this morning about 11:00am and now at 5:20pm and no one but H. Mummert at bubbles@visi.net left a note. Did we loose PRR-TALK? >> No, I believe most of us have been busy with 1. partying 2. doing yearend chores, including updating computers 3. had our machines turned off, dreading Y2K troubles (I had 'em, but they've been minor). I specifically have been getting ready for Auction Six of the Jack Fravert collection. Aside from a group of vintage PRR public timetables, there's not a lot of PRR collectibles this time around, so I haven't been posting much about this to PRR-Talk. OTOH, PRR-Talkers will be glad to hear that I'm getting closer to completing the Covered Hopper article for the Keystone. Of course, I'm only about a year behind on it, but it feels like we're getting to the end at this point. Hope you've all had a great holiday season. Now let's get back at it.... Rick Tipton ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: BPX29@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 10:15:24 EST Subject: [PRR] OP: GR&I 1950's Folks, I had a pretty good bull session last night with an old friend who'd done some work up in GR&I territory during post-Pennsy days. His employer, Railway Service Co., did a lot of rail relaying and curve straightening, etc. We were talking about Cadilac, MI, where PRR crossed the Ann Arbor at grade. Both railroads had decent yards, Selma Yard on the AA and, I think, North Cadilac on the Pennsy. PRR also had an engine terminal complete with turntable and roundhouse, etc located between the yard and the junction with the 'belt line' which connected over to the Annie. With considerable local industry and interchange activity, we got to wondering about Pennsy operations.Between local lore and various articles and OG entries we were able to piece together some data. Besides the seasonal Northern Arrow and #'s 509 and 510, there was also a daily through freight Grand Rapids to Mackinaw City, as well as locals to traverse City and another branch north of town. Our questions are: -was there an additional train from Cadillac to Grand Rapids in the 1950's era? -how many tricks did the resident switcher work at that time? -did the road job switch power in town, as business was lighter to the north? one known set of power was an f unit with a GP9B -what other traffic moved here besides ore extras? thanks folks for any input. Regards, Barry Peltier ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 12:27:31 -0500 From: bobp@tsc.com (Bob Poortinga) Subject: Re: [PRR] OP: GR&I 1950's "Barry Peltier" writes: > With considerable local industry and interchange activity, we got to > wondering about Pennsy operations.Between local lore and various articles and > OG entries we were able to piece together some data. Besides the seasonal > Northern Arrow and #'s 509 and 510, there was also a daily through freight > Grand Rapids to Mackinaw City, as well as locals to traverse City and another > branch north of town. Wasn't there at one time railcar ferry service from the PRR in Mackinaw City on the lower peninsula across the straits of Mackinac to the Soo Line at St. Ignace on the upper peninsula? Any know for sure or have any other info? BTW, the next century/millenium doesn't begin until Jan. 1, 2001. -- Bob Poortinga (mailto:bobp@tsc.com) Bloomington, Indiana USA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 12:39:21 -0500 (EST) From: Derrick J Brashear Subject: Re: [PRR] OP: GR&I 1950's On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Bob Poortinga wrote: > "Barry Peltier" writes: > > > With considerable local industry and interchange activity, we got to > > wondering about Pennsy operations.Between local lore and various articles and > > OG entries we were able to piece together some data. Besides the seasonal > > Northern Arrow and #'s 509 and 510, there was also a daily through freight > > Grand Rapids to Mackinaw City, as well as locals to traverse City and another > > branch north of town. > > Wasn't there at one time railcar ferry service from the PRR in Mackinaw City > on the lower peninsula across the straits of Mackinac to the Soo Line at > St. Ignace on the upper peninsula? Any know for sure or have any other info? > > BTW, the next century/millenium doesn't begin until Jan. 1, 2001. Actually, if you mean the second thousand years counting up for Jan 1, 1, we've been in the next millenium for several years now. -D ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 12:48:34 -0500 (EST) From: Derrick J Brashear Subject: [PRR] oops and more Life-Like releases (HO) Didn't mean to send that last piece of mail without some actual useful (on topic) information attached. Sorry:-( Anyhow, on another list I'm on, this URL was sent a few weeks ago: http://home.t-online.de/home/all-american-trains/ Follow the "news" link. You'll see that Life-Like will be bringing out: 23466 FA-1 + FB-1 Pennsylvania Railroad TBA #9603/9603B 23467 FA-1 + FB-1 Pennsylvania Railroad TBA #9605/9605B in the P2K line, and 23968 F3B Pennsylvania brunswick green #9502B 23969 F3B Pennsylvania brunswick green #9508B in the P1K line. You'll also see a comment that we can expect to see C-Liners (nominally P1K but apparently with better detail) decorated PRR (tuscan red???); I hope they fix the fans (the Canadian C-Liner had only 3) At any rate, for those people clamoring for a similar quality FA1/FB1 to the P2K FA2/FB2, your wish has been heard. -D ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 12:51:26 -0500 From: Patrick Rieger Subject: Re: [PRR] OP: GR&I 1950's Derrick J Brashear wrote: > Actually, if you mean the second thousand years counting up for Jan 1, 1, > we've been in the next millenium for several years now. A millenium is 1000 years. Humans count things starting with the number 1, including years. Therefore we are in the final year of the current millenium, and the next millenium starts with January 1, 2001. This is all true if you follow the Christian calendar. Patrick -- ============================================================================ "...if anyone has bolted together a mechanism with just fifty percent of the steam locomotive's solid spiritual satisfaction, he hasn't filed for a patent yet." -David P. Morgan, late editor of TRAINS magazine Leave it to the computer people to shorten Year 2000 to Y2K. It's that kind of thinking that got us into this mess in the first place. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick James Rieger, http://www.dementia.org/~patrick ============================================================================ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: LINESWEST@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 16:47:42 EST Subject: [PRR] Re: Lines West Fun Fest - II. Fred-- Sounds good. If we need a single day liability policy I have an agent in Xenia which will sell it cheap. As the PRRT&HS society annual meet is in the late spring, I had hoped to hold the LWFF 2K in the fall. I do need help. My health is in decline, my wife says. I'm sure that we can get the Cincinnati Division gize to attend. BTW Rick Tipton will be giving a presentation to the Div 3, NMRA meeting 2 p.m. Jan. 16 in the Wright Libarary on Ohio 48 in Oakwood (just south and west of the Cincinnati, Lebanon & Northern in Dayton's well-heeled suburb). I can give directionins Fred Rea Writes: I talked to Dan Adair today and we came to some conclusions: 1-Due to personal conflicts and the PRRT&HS meeting the first of May, it would be best to postpone LWFF-II until Sept or early Oct. 2-Our best candidate for a location would be a hall in Delaware on the Ohio Wesleyan campus. Dave of Dave's books has said he could get us a place...free. 3-I would call the OC and see if we can have it on a Sat when they have an excursion on the following Sunday . This would allow those that come to Central Ohio for the weekend to also get a ride on the Panhandle. 4-Possible presentations could include: 1-Dan on the history in the Columbus area (we did not discuss this tonite, but I know Dan has gobs of slides!), 2-Dan's brother Dave on the Cleveland & Marietta branch,and 3-I might see if OC could send some one to talk about the recent history and future plans for their operations on their former PRR lines. Also, a while ago, we had kicked around a self guided auto tour of the RR history of Columbus. I am sure we can get a free Franklin County map for everyone and add a supplement on what used to be. Those that want to can meditate on the old PRR yards as they drive over them on I-670. All this is very tentative, but I was going to call the OC in a day or so. I'll hold off until you guys reach an agreement on where and when. Please let me know what you guys think. I am a minor player in all this. Fred ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 17:00:01 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] oops and more Life-Like releases (HO) In a message dated 1/2/2000 3:33:36 PM Central Standard Time, shadow@dementia.org writes: << C-Liners ... decorated PRR (tuscan red???) >> Gag me with a PC worm logo, I hope not. Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: NDBPRR@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 17:54:55 EST Subject: [PRR] PRR logo on NS engines Saw a first for me in the Chicago area although I haven't been along NS tracks in awhile. SW1500 in CR paint (#1614 I believe) had a 6" square white box with the intertwined PRR in black under the number. Every other engine I have seen has a 6" by 12" white block with PRR just like it is printed. The print font they used was pretty close to the old PRR style. Somebody has a sense of history at NS or CR. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: BPX29@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 18:21:39 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] OP: GR&I 1950's In a message dated 1/2/00 3:33:31 PM Central Standard Time, bobp@tsc.com writes: << Wasn't there at one time railcar ferry service from the PRR in Mackinaw City on the lower peninsula across the straits of Mackinac to the Soo Line at St. Ignace on the upper peninsula? Any know for sure or have any other info? BTW, the next century/millenium doesn't begin until Jan. 1, 2001. -- Bob Poortinga (mailto:bobp@tsc.com) Bloomington, Indiana USA >> ---------------------------------- Bob & folks, Yes there certainly was car ferry service across the straits. It was under the DSS&A until that road was merged into the Soo Line c1960, and continued into the Conrail era. For many years the car ferry carried through Detroit-Duluth, MN and Detroit-Marquette baggage cars from off the MC (NYC) Detroit-Mackinaw City passenger train. An article in what, the Spring? 1999 Keystone mentioned ore trains being ferried accoss from, I would imagine, the Michigan ranges and handed over to the Pennsy for movement south. Their final destination I don't know. Pennsy also participated in the car ferry operation out of Muskegon, Mi to Milwaukee. It's too bad the Keystone hasn't been able to publish a lot of info on this rather obscure but still interesting segment of the Pennsy, but who knows what is lurking out there waiting to be published? Regards, Barry Peltier ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 18:33:32 -0500 From: Patrick Rieger Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR logo on NS engines NDBPRR@aol.com wrote: > > Saw a first for me in the Chicago area although I haven't been along NS > tracks in awhile. SW1500 in CR paint (#1614 I believe) had a 6" square white > box with the intertwined PRR in black under the number. Every other engine I > have seen has a 6" by 12" white block with PRR just like it is printed. The > print font they used was pretty close to the old PRR style. Somebody has a > sense of history at NS or CR. I saw the logo on a 6 axle road unit last summer as the second unit in a train on the Conemaugh Line going east through Aspinwall, Pa. Patrick -- ============================================================================ "...if anyone has bolted together a mechanism with just fifty percent of the steam locomotive's solid spiritual satisfaction, he hasn't filed for a patent yet." -David P. Morgan, late editor of TRAINS magazine Leave it to the computer people to shorten Year 2000 to Y2K. It's that kind of thinking that got us into this mess in the first place. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick James Rieger, http://www.dementia.org/~patrick ============================================================================ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 19:40:06 -0500 From: DDembinski Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR logo on NS engines Sure wish the 6" white square box was a 6" high white keystone-shaped box... NDBPRR@aol.com wrote: > Saw a first for me in the Chicago area although I haven't been along NS > tracks in awhile. SW1500 in CR paint (#1614 I believe) had a 6" square white > box with the intertwined PRR in black under the number. Every other engine I > have seen has a 6" by 12" white block with PRR just like it is printed. The > print font they used was pretty close to the old PRR style. Somebody has a > sense of history at NS or CR. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Greg Stone" Subject: [PRR] B S railroad Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 22:26:59 -0800 I have recently viewed a photo of the B&S railroad bridge crossing over the Philadelphia and Erie railroad. The P&E, a predecesor to the PRR, built the original shops at Renovo yards. I collect information and photos on the Renovo yards. Does anyone know for what the initials B & S stand? Thanks! Greg Stone ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 04:14:02 -0800 (PST) From: robert netzlof Subject: Re: [PRR] B S railroad --- Greg Stone wrote: > I have recently viewed a photo of the B&S railroad > bridge crossing over the > Philadelphia and Erie railroad. If the bridge was at Sinnemahoning, PA, the initials stand for Buffalo and Susquehanna. On its way north from DuBois, B&S followed Bennett's Branch of the Sinnemahoning Creek to Driftwood, then the main stream to Sinnemahoning, crossed the creek and P&E, followed the First Fork to Wharton. Ran up the East Branch of the First Fork, then took off over the hills and a couple of switch-backs later arrived in Galeton. Became part of the B&O in 1932. ===== Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 09:49:27 -0600 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] Jordon Spreaders Jerry asked: >When did the PRR acquire its first Jordon Spreaders? Ok, back in June of '96 I had an email converstation with a Mr. Peter Bowers who was writing a book on Jordan Spreaders...I was trying to find out if the Walthers model was appropriate, which it it not, without significant mods...here is what he said: "...Pennsylvania 1928 type "A" Jordan spreader is due any day now from Overland Models. Numbers of these units were PRR 497400-497404. Overland incorrectly lists them as PRR 97400-97404. If you model a 1940's era spreader, put the cab on the deck back of the stationary posts." On the basis of this, I picked up an undec of the Overland model...verrrry nice! It will sit on "mud track", in the Columbia PA yard...appropriately named due to the mud dripping off the spreaders stationed there for ditching assignments. Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." - Dave Barry PRRMO: The PRR Modular Modeling Society! http://prrmo.pennsyrr.com _ _ / \ / \ ____\_/_____________\_/____ ____________________________________ |- _______/ O \_______ -| |_ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ _| | / PENNSYLVANIA \ | | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| | |/_________________________\|_|_|________________________________|_| | O--O \0 0 0/ O--O | |=| 0==0 0==0 |=| ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 09:52:32 -0600 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] P5A's NDBPRR@aol.com asked: >Anybody know why the top P5A equalization links slope at about a 30 degree >angle on some units and is parallel to the rail on other units? Just happens...watch some videos and you'll see that they appear to be quite mobile, and the location is just where they end up... Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." - Dave Barry PRRMO: The PRR Modular Modeling Society! http://prrmo.pennsyrr.com _ _ / \ / \ ____\_/_____________\_/____ ____________________________________ |- _______/ O \_______ -| |_ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ _| | / PENNSYLVANIA \ | | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| | |/_________________________\|_|_|________________________________|_| | O--O \0 0 0/ O--O | |=| 0==0 0==0 |=| ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Greg Stone" Subject: [PRR] Buffalo and Susquehanna Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 08:03:00 -0800 Thanks to all who responded to my request. The photo was of a bridge passing over the P&E. A particular thanks to Bob Netzlof for answering my next question before I asked it. --Greg Stone PRRTHS special interest: Renovo Yards ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: John Cooper Subject: RE: [PRR] Gundy tower Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:09:08 -0800 When I responded to Dec 16 mail Re: Philly area questions, I misspelled the name of the tower east of Holmes. It should be Grundy, with an 'r' as the second letter. Sorry I can't help with pictures. Best I can offer is satelite imagery. It's just east of Bristol. The interlocking limits straddle the Pennsylvania Turnpike overpass. http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.asp?S=12&T=1&X=642&Y=5551&Z=18&W=2 John > ---------- > From: NDBPRR@aol.com[SMTP:NDBPRR@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 11:40 AM > To: PRR-Talk@dsop.com > Subject: [PRR] Gundy tower > > are there any pictures posted anywhere of Gundy tower? Thanks > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". > > ------------------------------------------- Dec 16 mail: The below response is not correct. Holmes is railroad east of Zoo, ie closer to New York. To answer your questions, listed below is from 30th st station to NY. There are diagrams of each interlocking listed on Mark Bej's site. Penn (30th st) Zoo N Phila Shore (Frankfort Jct) Ford Holmes (Holmesburg Jct) Gundy Morris (Trenton cutoff) Fair (Trenton) Millham Nassau (Princeton Jct) Midway County (New Brunswick) Edison/Lincoln (Metuchen) Union (Rahway) Elmora (Elizabeth) Lane Hunter Dock (Newark) Hudson Portal A (Penn station) There must have been freight traffic on the chestnut hill branch. There were plenty of industrial sidings. Again, see chestnut hill map on Mark's site. Penn interlocking controlled the lower level of 30th st. Broad interlocking controlled the upper level. John > ---------- > From: Sean121982@aol.com[SMTP:Sean121982@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 4:04 AM > To: PRR-Talk@dsop.com > Subject: Re: [PRR] Philly area questions > > In a message dated 12/16/99 12:06:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, > NDBPRR@aol.com > writes: > > << Was it North > Philadelphia, Shore, Holmes in order? >> > > Holmes is actually farther south of Zoo interlocking. I'd estimate it's 5 > or > 6 miles south of Zoo. > > Sean McD > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: John Cooper Subject: RE: [PRR] Pittsburgh(Penn station) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:15:07 -0800 http://198.30.209.3/amtrak/Amtrak.html has a 1996 picture. John > ---------- > From: vck@andrew.cmu.edu[SMTP:vck@andrew.cmu.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 7:33 PM > To: MSand17545@aol.com; PRR-Talk@dsop.com > Subject: Re: [PRR] Pittsburgh(Penn station) > > --On Die, 28. Dez 1999 21:52 +0000 MSand17545@aol.com wrote: > > > I was wondering does amtrak still own and operate the penn station > in > > Pittsburgh? Or did they replace it? thanks for the help! > > Do you know of any web sites that have a picture of it? if so email me > the > > > url. > > Although AMTRAK still operates its passenger operations from a nicely done > street-level lobby in the original station, the main building is owned by > a > private concern which converted it to luxury apartments (called, likely > enough, "The Pennsylvanian") several years ago. Unfortunately, the entire > building, except for the AMTRAK area, is off limits to the public, doors > locked, security guard, etc. You can, however, still walk under the > wonderful portico on your way from the MLK, JR. Busway stop (former > Panhandle tracks) down to Grant Street. > > Although I haven't seen a recent picture of the beautifully cleaned > present-day Penn Station, there is a ca. 1910 view at the Library of > Congresses American Memory web site, or you can go to my own website, > Vagel > Keller's Industrial Heritage Homepage, http://www.usaor.net/users/vagelk > and > scroll down to "A Pittsburgh Retrospective" which has a copy of that > image. > > 'best, > Vagel > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: John Cooper Subject: RE: [PRR] Re: Catenary poles Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:22:59 -0800 Correct. > ---------- > From: BigBeerBob@aol.com[SMTP:BigBeerBob@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 6:55 AM > To: PRR-Talk@dsop.com > Subject: [PRR] Re: Catenary poles > > Between Overbrook and Paoli some of the cat poles are "telescoping" pipes, > > with cables suspended across the tracks to hold the wires. Is this from > the > original 1915 (or thereabouts) construction, design superseded by the > familiar "H" beam structures? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 19:07:33 -0500 Subject: [PRR] Limedale Tower From: EJ Caylor Photos of Limedale Tower were added today, check it out! Look under Penn Central Main Line. E.J. Caylor Central Indiana Railroad Information Network http://members.tripod.com/Caylorman/rail.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 18:38:05 -0600 From: "doug.kisala" Subject: [PRR] Arrival of my Athearn Mike Hello list, My Athearn Mike finally arrived on Friday, New Year's Eve. I'm glad to finally have the engine. It runs superbly; sprung drivers at this price point are very nice to have. The engine runs very quietly compared to my repowered Bowser steamers, but seems to have a bit less power. For those of you rivet counters (which would include myself), my engine is numbered for the 9630. While the headlight is in the right position for a 1940s appearance, the headlight has angled number boards and a number plate on the bracket (perfect for a B&O Q3). The handrails are in the original USRA configuration, without junction boxes, and the generator is also in the original USRA configuration, in back of the steam dome. The engine also has steam and signal lines on the pilot deck, allowing for use in passenger service (again, perfect for some of B&O's Q3 class), which PRR did with a few L1s class, but none of the L2s class (so far as I can tell). None of these items is a very big deal, but correcting them would best be done on an undecorated model (or with the Bowser USRA light Mike, which comes in kit form and is very amenable to detail changes). The only thing I added was a front coupler, following the directions in the December 1999 MR; I thought about changing some or all of the details, but in this case, the advantages of having a ready to run DCC compatible engine outweighed the minor detail changes (at least for now). Doug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 20:02:30 EST Subject: [PRR] Lines West MofW, Cabin lists In a message dated 12/17/99 4:49:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, abbuchan@familyconnect.net writes: << Ken and list, Not familiar w/ the three digit code.>> That three-number code in Ken's list is a new one on me. However, if you think about it, coding nonrevenue equipment by some arbitrary code could be a lot more descriptive than, say, recording the AAR Mechanical Code. It could successfully account for a sleeper converted to a particular kind of work diner, or for a gondola cut down to the deck like a flatcar and then with rub rails for a crawler crane. << However, ownership makes sense as all of the leased lines owned their equipment until February 1942 when it was acquired by the PRR (At least that was the date for the E&P and I always assumed it was for the remainder of the other leased lines too). Prior to 1942 the cars marked PRR ownership were used by/assigned to the companies that the PRR actually owned, not leased. This multi ownership scheme is the reason why there is no continuity of car numbers by class. The continuity of car numbering was by owning company, this car numbering continuity is also true to some extent with the revenue fleet. With the data you have at hand we should be able to crack the owning company MW equipment numbering code/scheme. I have also been promised a similar list with about the same number of cars, perhaps it is the same list, hopefully it is different. Unfortunately the sender of this list has told be that the car class designations are missing. This (These) lists could be the MW roster Rosetta stone. Does your list include both the nine-hundred thousand (Lines West) as well as the four-hundred thousand (Lines East) series? Al >> Al, You and Ken are blowing my mind with the thought that work equipment and cabin number series might be grouped by owner or operating company beyond either owned lines vs. leased lines or perhaps either Lines East or Lines West. Let me go out on a limb here--- the following is a mix of fact and interpretation, and I assume that with Ken's list you could really improve on the generalizations I've made here... The above discussion reminded me that, looking at an large-scale database of PRR freight cars I've been building, it's clear/obvious/easy-to-guess that car numbers up to 499999 were "Lines East" (OK, owned lines), and numbers 500,000 and up look like Lines West (virtually all of which were leased up to 1918 or so). Imagine a listing of cars and groups of cars very much like the Equipment Register, but combining cars from all periods of PRR system history -- that's the "document" I've been looking at, produced from my database. Looking at this "alltime Equipment Register", we notice right away: 1. Cars with reporting marks of "Pennsylvania Lines" or "Vandalia" fit right into the familiar number series you might see in a 1940 - 1960 ORER. 2. All these cars appear from 500,000 up. 3. Most earlier (circa 1910 and earlier) subsidiary reporting marks had their own numbering schemes, often in four or five digits, that generally were not coordinated with systemwide numbering. These reporting marks include NC, PCC&StL, PFtW&C, C&P, GR&I. OK, these observations really aren't any big surprise, especially if you've spent time on the Freight Car List where the real experts on this reside. But let me expand my interpretation of the number series I see in my indexing: 1) 000001-475000 PRR/Lines East revenue cars 2) 475808-479815 PRR/Lines East cabin cars, including all the all-steel ones. 3) 480000-484999 more PRR revenue cars 4) 485497-486751 more Lines East cabin cars (wood or wood-sheathed). 5) 488949-499668 Lines East work equipment and now for the second act: 6) 500860-564594 pre-X29 boxcars, especially PL and VAN 7) 566091-581799 X29's allocated to Lines West 8) 600000-620999 used in the 1950's for "leased builds or rebuilds" program. I have as yet no clear evidence that Lines West ever used this number series back in its history 9) 647650-648338 KF stock cars (Lines West?) 10) 677216-748661 ancient hoppers (to H25) from Lines West 11) 775416-823432 Lines West gons (GR, GLa, G22) 12) 980000-983000 LW cabins (N6b, N6a, more ?) 13) 996348 a single "Pennsylvania Lines" NE cabin car So the question is, can we do better than this? Does Ken's list offer any help? Al, you will notice right away that the Lines West work equipment is missing; that's because my index seems to have captured no members of it. I could guess that it lies above 983000, but I'm surprised I have indexed no pictures/mentions of it. Doesn't it stand to reason we should have some pix of at least G22's or earlier ex-LW gondolas on hand? Don't such numbers exist in John LaRue's catalog of prints? Weren't there once derricks in the 99XXXX series? I'm dumbfounded at this omission. Comments, anyone? Rick Tipton Louisville KY Remembering the Pennsylvania Railroad and especially PRR Lines West ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: RickTipton@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 20:02:28 EST Subject: [PRR] Planning LWFFII Hi Tom, Hoping to see you in Dayton the 16th for a repeat of my slide show on the Panhandle in Dayton. Some thoughts/comments to offer on the LWFF2 notes I received: In a message dated 1/2/2000 6:54:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, LINESWEST@aol.com writes: << I talked to Dan Adair today and we came to some conclusions: 1-Due to personal conflicts and the PRRT&HS meeting the first of May, it would be best to postpone LWFF-II until Sept or early Oct.>> Yes, a date should be selected soonest, or at least those weekends that conflict with announced rail events should be shunned. I'm not sure if we should also be wary of OSU football weekends (considering attendance, not necessarily conflict for motels). I'll start the ball soon with a "list of weekends to avoid". << 2-Our best candidate for a location would be a hall in Delaware on the Ohio Wesleyan campus. Dave of Dave's books has said he could get us a place...free.>> Great. << 3-I would call the OC and see if we can have it on a Sat when they have an excursion on the following Sunday . This would allow those that come to Central Ohio for the weekend to also get a ride on the Panhandle.>> Desirable -- also, is Marion still the high-traffic site it used to be? (Ask Joe Slanser about this) << 4-Possible presentations could include: 1-Dan on the history in the Columbus area (we did not discuss this tonite, but I know Dan has gobs of slides!), 2-Dan's brother Dave on the Cleveland & Marietta branch,and 3-I might see if OC could send some one to talk about the recent history and future plans for their operations on their former PRR lines. Also, a while ago, we had kicked around a self guided auto tour of the RR history of Columbus. I am sure we can get a free Franklin County map for everyone and add a supplement on what used to be. Those that want to can meditate on the old PRR yards as they drive over them on I-670.>> I wish I had an easy way to get each attendee a color copy of an 1893 Columbus map. It was issued by the N&W, and shows what Columbus was like before the grand remodeling of the WWI boom. Among the goodies are Pennsy facilities and track layouts most of us have never seen, since our grandparents were at best youngsters at the time. << All this is very tentative, but I was going to call the OC in a day or so. I'll hold off until you guys reach an agreement on where and when. Please let me know what you guys think. I am a minor player in all this. Fred >> Best wishes in all of this, Rick Tipton Louisville KY Remembering the Pennsylvania Railroad and especially PRR Lines West ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 20:52:08 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Lines West MofW, Cabin lists Rick: One exception to your list is boom car M.W. 348339 in an undated photo in Wayner's "The Cars of the Pennsylvania Railroad" pg 60 top. It is accompanied by GR class #286568. This would seem to indicate that some PRR MOW cars were numbered with M.W. prefix. Could this have been a Lines West practice? Page 142 of Alexander's "The Pennsylvania Railroad" shows a 1910 photo of a KF #125060. Rich Orr ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "lew matt" Subject: Re: [PRR] What did you get for Christmas? Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 20:41:06 -0500 This was a timely Christmas for me . I received a very nice 15" wall clock depicting a T-1, four (4) Lionel wall clocks and a Spectrum PRR combine ( I have 12 of those little combine devils now! I'm still waiting for the - any - Spectrum cars with AC) Lew PS Happy New Year! White Buck Farm is a certified organic grower that markets a wide selection of jams, jellies, pickles, dried fruits and vegetables and herbs. We are located in Greene County, Pennsylvania, USA WHITE BUCK FARM IS A CERTIFIED ORGANIC GROWER AND FOLLOWS RIGID ORGANIC GROWING TECHNIQUES E-mail your snail-mail address to us for our current price list for our all-natural jams, jellies, preserves, relishes and pickles. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Kisala To: PRR talk Date: Saturday, December 25, 1999 11:33 AM Subject: [PRR] What did you get for Christmas? >Hello list, > >Amongst other goodies (the spectacular 2000 Ghosts >Calendar of classic warbirds among them), the book >Pennsy Streamliners and a PRR calendar arrived from >Santa. My calendar has a great shot of a T1 and K4s >doubleheader waiting for a train in 1948. > >What did you get for your PRR Christmas? > >Doug > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: BigHookX45@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 21:00:44 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Planning LWFFII In a message dated 00-01-03 20:16:56 EST, you write: > << 2-Our best candidate for a location would be a hall in Delaware on the > Ohio Wesleyan campus. Dave of Dave's books has said he could get us a > place...free.>> This is great. I live just a couple of miles away. With my luck while you're all in there talking trains I'll be highballing 10,000 tons of coal westbound on the C&O through town. :-) > Desirable -- also, is Marion still the high-traffic site it used to be? ( > Ask > Joe Slanser about this) It may not rate as many trains as it did when the EL was in town, but there is still an appreciable amount, and well worth the visit. I know we run 10-20 trains a day, probably the same number on NS as well. Rick Rowlands ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "lew matt" Subject: Re: [PRR] Coal Mines Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 21:10:50 -0500 March and April 1982 issues of Railroad Model Craftsman did a well illustrated two part Hard Coal series by Chuck Youngkurth. It deals with Pennsylvania anthracite and is fairly short and comprehensive given the depth of the subject (bad pun!). Chuck did his usual fine job. Lew Matt White Buck Farm is a certified organic grower that markets a wide selection of jams, jellies, pickles, dried fruits and vegetables and herbs. We are located in Greene County, Pennsylvania, USA WHITE BUCK FARM IS A CERTIFIED ORGANIC GROWER AND FOLLOWS RIGID ORGANIC GROWING TECHNIQUES E-mail your snail-mail address to us for our current price list for our all-natural jams, jellies, preserves, relishes and pickles. -----Original Message----- From: velure To: Mike Morrow ; PRR-Talk Date: Monday, December 27, 1999 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [PRR] Coal Mines >> Is there a website or book where I can locate photos of coal mines or >> tipples (not anthracite) preferably in Pennsylvania? >> >> Mike > >http://theoldminer.virtualave.net/county.html > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Paul W. Schopp" Subject: Re: [PRR] Lines West MofW, Cabin lists Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:01:05 -0500 Gentlemen: I just hung up the telephone with Al Buchan and he asked me to inform everyone that he has been off-line since December 30th with a non-Y2K computer problem. He expects to be reconnected in about three days and will "catch-up" with his messages at that time. He appreciates your understanding. Best regards, Paul W. Schopp spanky@voicenet.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: TGREGMRTN@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:39:52 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR AP-20/AFP-20's Bil and all, This is what I had not hoped to hear. My brother and I were dicussing the PA's last night and we felt that perhaps 5750A and 5751A taken out of service on bad order or perhaps used for parts. Although these engines caught the eyes of many for there unique design their service records were less than equal to their beauty. I ahve a technical question perhaps you can answer. There is a small rectangular exhaust port ( for a lack of a better term) on the firemans side abve and behind the tapered rim piece. I have been told that this was the "compressor exhaust port", is that the correct termanology? Life Like did not tool it on their PA/B's and I had to add it to mine for my article but I want to make sure what I reference it as is correct. Thanks in advance, Greg Martin BTW anyone seen pictures of the illusive 5750 and 5751 after 1952? I would love to view them as they were modified. ============================================================ Bill you wrote: << FYI the 5751 was bad ordered at East Altoona Enginehouse in the summer of 1958 (Don't know how long it had been sitting there prior to that time) and it was never returned to service. It was 5 stripe tuscan and sometime in 1959 it was pushed through the brick wall of the enginehouse so had a load of bricks on its nose when it was finally dragged out kicking and screaming to be cut up and sent to Schenectady as trade in fodder on the DL-640s in 1961. Quite a few other locomotives have suffered the same fate of being hit from behind and driven through the enginehouse wall. The steam locomotives used to leak steam into their cylinders and propel themselves through the wall! Bill Volkmer >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: David Hutchinson Subject: [PRR] Camp Kilmer Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:22:17 -0500 I am looking for any info (track diagrams, etc.) on the Camp Kilmer facility that was located in Edison (Stelton), NJ, on the PRR mainline. The facility was built in 1942. David Hutchinson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 01:36:30 +1100 From: "Mick Molloy" Subject: RE: [PRR] First PRR Web Site in 21st Century Greetings to the group, Just got back and saw this note from Jerry. As far as I know there are no PRR sites in New Zealand, which does make me the closest site to the international dateline, in Melbourne, Australia. (Southeast coast for those of you who don't know your Australian geography) Thanks for the congrats. I suppose I should point out that the server my site is on is Linux Apache (Not Sillysoft). Pop in and have a look at it, there are plans for a major revamp in March. I already have some material Cheers, and Happy New Year Mick Molloy On 31/12/99 at 09:01 Jerry Britton wrote: >I could be mistaken, but as far as I know, Mike Molloy's is the first PRR >web site to enter the new millennium... > > http://keystone.alphalink.com.au/pennsy.htm > >Throughput is great...congratulations! >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >Jerry Britton, SPF jerry@pennsyrr.com Member, PRRT&HS > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Ron Kuzemchak" Subject: [PRR] Aero Train Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:39:29 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BF569F.FAE89AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi-Need info on the Aero train used by PRR in the mid-50's. Any help = will be appreciated. Ron ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BF569F.FAE89AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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We are also reviewing the data we have collected for the F-38 project and we feel it is almost ready to be sent to our builder. As you know we have secured the drawings for the load you see on the F-38 and that load will be also available. We found out that both loads made one unit. It was part of a press that we hear is still being used. Thank You, EDDY at RAIL CLASSICS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:24:14 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Aero Train In a message dated 01/04/2000 9:37:15 AM Central Standard Time, rkzoom@mail.microserve.net writes: << Hi-Need info on the Aero train used by PRR in the mid-50's. Any help will be appreciated. Ron >> Ron, can you be a little more specific in your question? Are you looking for schedules, construction, what else? Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:21:56 -0600 From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR Locomotive #5540 - Help Needed... >My life-long Membership Number in the PRRT&HS is 5540. I am almost certain >this number was assigned to a PRR T1 4-4-4-4 class steam locomotive. > >As a matter of pride and (accurate) preservation, I would like to model this >specific locomotive by the upcoming PRRT&HS 2000 convention. Unfortunately, >I have been unsuccessful in locating photographs or assignments of this >specific locomotive. Any help regarding pictorial or service history of this >locomotive would greatly be appreciated. Bummer Dude! Why? Well, as noted, this loco is a late Baldwin product...I assume that you were going to use the Bowser loco as a starting point? Well, as noted on this list when released, the combination of the modified front end (no portholes) with fully shrouded tender was VERY rare! Basically it was only seen on a few late Altoona builts (photographic evidence for #5511, which is the one I chose to model). Your options for modeling #5540 from the Bowser kit are: 1) Completely rebuild the front pilot to the porthole configuration, and go with the tender...for an as built loco. or 2) Major reconstruction of the kit tender or scratchbuild a new tender to represent the deshrouded tender that would be appropriate for the non-portholed pilot era for #5540. Let us know what you decide ! BTW, I'm #5733, a G5s...and the Bowser tender problem rears its UGLY head there too! Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." - Dave Barry PRRMO: The PRR Modular Modeling Society! http://prrmo.pennsyrr.com _ _ / \ / \ ____\_/_____________\_/____ ____________________________________ |- _______/ O \_______ -| |_ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ _| | / PENNSYLVANIA \ | | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| | |/_________________________\|_|_|________________________________|_| | O--O \0 0 0/ O--O | |=| 0==0 0==0 |=| ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 13:33:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR Locomotive #5540 - Help Needed... From: Jerry Britton On 1/4/00 1:21 PM, Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. (smithbf@mail.auburn.edu) wrote: > Let us know what you decide ! BTW, I'm #5733, a G5s...and the Bowser > tender problem rears its UGLY head there too! I'm #6111, one of the two prototype T-1's. I, too, have my work cut out for me as I need a whole new front end! --------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Britton, SPF Member, PRRT&HS jerry@pennsyrr.com Pennsylvania Railroad, Eastern Region, 1954 in HO Scale. "Keystone Crossings" - Home of "PRR-Talk" http://kc.pennsyrr.com "Merchandise Service" - Model railroad products http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 13:48:02 -0500 From: Park Varieties Subject: [PRR] Coal Goes To War Slogan Does anyone know if the "Coal Goes To War" herald was used on Pennsy hopper cars during the Korean War? Frank Brua ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 14:06:04 -0500 From: Drew McGhee Subject: Re: [PRR] Aero Train Greetings to Ron and the group, Bowser (Montoursville, PA Web Site at http://www.bowser-trains.com/ ) sells the Aero Train in PRR livery as well as in the other roads liverys that tried out GM's idea. I believe they aquired the old Varney dies to produce this product. Specific information on Bowser's Aero Train product can be found at http://www.bowser-trains.com/EMRS%20pages/Aero.htm The PRR did not own the Aero Train equipment. GM allowed the PRR and some other railroads to test the equipment out with the hope of some sales. This did not occur. The two demonstrator sets of Aero Train equipment went to the Rock Island eventually. No other sets were produced. The Aero Train equipment ran on the PRR for less than a year. I believe it was during 1956. That's all the info I can recall from the top of my head. Hopes this helps. Drew R. McGhee Altoona, PA drm6@psu.edu http://www.personal.psu.edu/staff/d/r/drm6/ At 10:39 AM 01/04/2000 -0800, Ron Kuzemchak wrote: >Hi-Need info on the Aero train used by PRR in the mid-50's. Any help will be appreciated. Ron > Ron ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "lew matt" Subject: Re: [PRR] Spectrum PRR combines Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:17:40 -0500 Your question preempts my own research. Obviously, I can't have 12 cars with the same number. I would like to kitbash a few cars to create something a little different, too. I remember these cars as used, when I was a boy, and I believe I rode on one about 1950, out of the Lancaster station. They are of the PB70 class, but I don't know if the series is a PB70, PB70R, PB70C or PB70DR. I must also search the numbering for 1952, my year of modeling, to determine which car had the number 9920. Unless someone on the chat group knows this right up front, allow me some time to check. Lew Matt White Buck Farm is a certified organic grower that markets a wide selection of jams, jellies, pickles, dried fruits and vegetables and herbs. We are located in Greene County, Pennsylvania, USA WHITE BUCK FARM IS A CERTIFIED ORGANIC GROWER AND FOLLOWS RIGID ORGANIC GROWING TECHNIQUES E-mail your snail-mail address to us for our current price list for our all-natural jams, jellies, preserves, relishes and pickles. -----Original Message----- From: jpbtrans To: lew matt Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [PRR] Spectrum PRR combines >Dear serious combine owner, > > Could you or someone else from the list tell me if the Spectrum >model is a correct model for what the PRR used, and if the number would >be correct for that style of car. I figure someone who has that many >combines, must have some info I could use. > > Thanks for the help. > > Jon Anderson > jpbtrans@gateway.net > >lew matt wrote: >> >> This was a timely Christmas for me . I received a very nice 15" wall clock >> depicting a T-1, four (4) Lionel wall clocks and a Spectrum PRR combine I >> have 12 of those little combine devils now! I'm still waiting for the - >> any - Spectrum cars with AC) >> >> Lew >> >> PS Happy New Year! >> >> White Buck Farm is a certified organic grower that >> markets a wide selection of jams, jellies, pickles, dried fruits and >> vegetables and herbs. >> We are located in Greene County, Pennsylvania, USA >> >> WHITE BUCK FARM IS A CERTIFIED ORGANIC GROWER AND FOLLOWS RIGID ORGANIC >> GROWING TECHNIQUES >> E-mail your snail-mail address to us for our current price list for our >> all-natural jams, jellies, preserves, relishes and pickles. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Doug Kisala >> To: PRR talk >> Date: Saturday, December 25, 1999 11:33 AM >> Subject: [PRR] What did you get for Christmas? >> >> >Hello list, >> > >> >Amongst other goodies (the spectacular 2000 Ghosts >> >Calendar of classic warbirds among them), the book >> >Pennsy Streamliners and a PRR calendar arrived from >> >Santa. My calendar has a great shot of a T1 and K4s >> >doubleheader waiting for a train in 1948. >> > >> >What did you get for your PRR Christmas? >> > >> >Doug >> > >> >_________________________________________________________ >> >Do You Yahoo!? >> >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. >> >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >> >"listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". >> > >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >> "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: Bobspf@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:43:57 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Aero Train In a message dated 01/04/2000 1:19:50 PM Central Standard Time, drm6@psu.edu writes: << The PRR did not own the Aero Train equipment. GM allowed the PRR and some other railroads to test the equipment out with the hope of some sales. This did not occur. The two demonstrator sets of Aero Train equipment went to the Rock Island eventually. No other sets were produced. The Aero Train equipment ran on the PRR for less than a year. I believe it was during 1956. That's all the info I can recall from the top of my head. >> Drew is correct. Just a clarification, since I got confused myself over this: the two demonstrator sets went to the Rock Island who already had one set, so a total of three were built, all of which ended up on the Rock. I believe one set demoed on Pennsy and NYC, the other was the UP's City of Las Vegas for a while. 1956 is the right year for Pennsy. Dan Cupper's website says 1956-57 period. He confirms the train in public timetables of Februrary, March, and April of 1956,stating it may have been in others as well. Bob Zoeller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: NDBPRR@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:02:59 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Aero Train I believe one set demoed on Pennsy and NYC, the other was the UP's City of Las Vegas for a while. My understanding is the Aerotrain engine and cars at the Railroad Museum in Green Bay Wisconsin is the set that demoed on the PRR. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Walt Prusick" Subject: [PRR] Those magnificant Decapods.... Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 22:02:26 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF56FF.62E09D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear list, Just received the February Moder Railroader. Go out and buy it = immediately! If for no other reason than Frank Costanzi's fantastic = article dealing with his highly successful efforts in creating two = distinctly different I1s Hippos. First and foremost I found it to be a = great "how to" article plus neat things like a constant lighting diagram = and other jems. This just may cause me to finally finish those Bowser = kits I have lost track of (botched so badly I gave up on). My only = criticism (ducking my head) is why write an article where the motor used = is now discontinued? Mr. Costanzi's masterful treatment of this subject = is one of the finest I have ever seen. (BTW, the PRRT&HS did a wonderful = historical spread a few years back.) Thanks, Walt Prusick ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF56FF.62E09D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear list,
Just received the February Moder=20 Railroader. Go out and buy it immediately! If for no other reason = than=20 Frank Costanzi's fantastic article dealing with his highly successful = efforts in=20 creating two distinctly different I1s Hippos. First and foremost = I found=20 it to be a great "how to" article plus neat things like a constant = lighting=20 diagram and other jems. This just may cause me to finally finish=20 those Bowser kits I have lost track of (botched so badly I gave up = on). My=20 only criticism (ducking my head) is why write an article where the motor = used is=20 now discontinued? Mr. Costanzi's masterful treatment of this = subject=20 is one of the finest I have ever seen. (BTW, the PRRT&HS did a=20 wonderful historical spread a few years back.)
 
Thanks,
Walt Prusick
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF56FF.62E09D80-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: TGREGMRTN@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:12:33 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] PRR Locomotive #5540 - Help Needed... Jerry, << First Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. (smithbf@mail.auburn.edu) wrote: > Let us know what you decide ! BTW, I'm #5733, a G5s...and the Bowser > tender problem rears its UGLY head there too! Then Jerry (jerry@pennsyrr.com) writes: I'm #6111, one of the two prototype T-1's. I, too, have my work cut out for me as I need a whole new front end! >> Yea, don't we all, I started on mine about Thanksgiving, not that New Years is over I think I can start the rebuild program until next Thanksgiving. Greg Martin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Ron Kuzemchak" Subject: [PRR] Aero Train Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 08:20:31 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01BF5755.BB610E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for all the information thus far-keep it coming. Just a 'novice' = at this point! ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01BF5755.BB610E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for all the information thus = far-keep it=20 coming.  Just a 'novice' at this point!
------=_NextPart_000_0064_01BF5755.BB610E80-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 08:10:24 -0500 From: Andy Miller Subject: Re: [PRR] Those magnificant Decapods.... With re to that constant lighting circuit, Has Frank and MR discovered some new laws of electricity? Not only won't the lights work on that circuit, neither will the motor! I fear that someone in the graphic arts department screwed up the original diagram, and no one caught the mistake. I think they were trying to diagram a "2-diode" drop using a shorted bridge rectifier. Its a great, easy trick. I've done several Bowser steam engines this way. It requires only the rectifier chip and so takes very little space. Its really only good for steam engines where you want the constant light on no matter which direction the engine is going. But the diagram in MR ain't it! My prediction, watch for a correction in the March issue. ((That's probably easier than my trying to do an ASCII diagram here ;-) Regards, Andy Miller asmiller@mitre.org =================================================== > Walt Prusick wrote: > > Dear list, > Just received the February Moder Railroader. Go out and buy it > immediately! If for no other reason than Frank Costanzi's fantastic > article dealing with his highly successful efforts in creating two > distinctly different I1s Hippos. First and foremost I found it to be a > great "how to" article plus neat things like a constant lighting > diagram and other jems. This just may cause me to finally finish > those Bowser kits I have lost track of (botched so badly I gave up > on). My only criticism (ducking my head) is why write an article where > the motor used is now discontinued? Mr. Costanzi's masterful > treatment of this subject is one of the finest I have ever seen. (BTW, > the PRRT&HS did a wonderful historical spread a few years back.) > > Thanks, > Walt Prusick -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Laird" Subject: Re: [PRR] Aero Train Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 08:40:26 -0600 Drew McGee wrote, in part........ >Bowser (Montoursville, PA Web Site at http://www.bowser-trains.com/ ) sells >the Aero Train in PRR livery as well as in the other roads liverys that >tried out GM's idea. I believe they aquired the old Varney dies to produce >this product. Specific information on Bowser's Aero Train product can be >found at > >http://www.bowser-trains.com/EMRS%20pages/Aero.htm > The Bowser Aero Train comes as the power unit (locomotive?), two coaches, and the tail car. Extra coaches are available individually. The Bowser Aero Train is unpowered and the plastic wheels on the car (only two axels per car) do not turn freely. It is a project of considerable magnitude to make the Bowser train an operating train rather than a static display. Someone, and I do not remember who, makes a metal frame, motor, and drive train to power the Bowser unit. I purchased one and with adding as much lead as possible inside the power unit I was able to get a fair running Aero Train power unit. The coaches and tail car need a good deal of work. Metal wheels have to be added and the plastic journals worked to make the wheels free running, couplers added, and weight added to the very light cars to make them stay on track. Some additional cosmetic detailing needs to be done including adding decals of car numbers, correcting the window above the coach doors, paint correcting, etc. I purchased 3 extra coaches and now have a 6 car Areo Train pulled by the dcc decoder equiped power unit. The lighting effects on the power unit are an eye catcher. The lights accross the front of the unit are arranged like this OoXoO, where O is high beam headlight, o is low beam headlight, and X is a flashing red warning light. All are controlled individually via dcc. There were some good color pictures of the Aero Train in PRR livery on the front and rear of a "Keystone" issue a few years ago. I am in the process of building a new house, and all my railroad reference material, and models, are packed away for the duration, so I can't give a specific reference. Some photos also exist in one or more volumes of PDY. Bill Laird Canyon Lake, Texas ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: SUVCWORR@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:00:30 EST Subject: Re: [PRR] Those magnificant Decapods.... In a message dated 01/04/2000 22:06:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, walpru@stargate.net writes: > My only criticism (ducking my head) is why write an article where the motor > used is now discontinued? In all probability this is a result of the article being bought by the publisher and then not being published for an extensive period of time. There are several articles I am aware of which have not been published for more than 18 months after they were bought and paid for. Rich Orr ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: mittner@webtv.net (Gary Mittner) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:26:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [PRR] Aero Train Ron, I don't know if you are looking for Model info or Prototype info or both. On the subject of Models I have the Varney Aerotrain that was originally made in the early 1950's. I first purchased an excellent condition boxed powered set in 1990 for $35.00, I think it was set #39. This contained the Head end power unit, two coaches and the tail car and track. I then was able to purchase the additional 7 coaches I needed at Train sales and shows. Most were undecorated but I was able to match the paint scheme pretty well. I also picked up an additional dummy aerotrain loco. These are all original Varney. Instead of pulling the whole train with the noisy original powered unit, I powered the dummy loco with a NorthWest Short Line (Sagami) Power truck and detailed the body shell. I added as much weight to the unit as possible so it could pull the whole 10 car train. It was still struggling so I installed metal wheelsets on the cars. The ability to pull the train was improved so much I was now able to place a small bit of weight in each car so they would track better as well. I placed false floors and windows in the cars and it looks pretty darn good. Can pull up a 3% grade too. The protoype when in Pennsy service was seen pulling either 8,9 or 10 coaches. I guess it all depended on passenger demand. I never seen a photo with less than 8. I spoke months ago here about a guy I knew that worked the 28th street yards in Pittsburgh as a mechanic. One of his jobs in the 1956 time period was to replace the brake shoes on the Aerotain. The Aerotrain was very hard on brake shoes. After the train arrived in Pittsburgh and before it headed back east he would routinly change the shoes. He had about 20 minutes to change as many as he could before the train had to leave. Luckily he said he had help to do this. The next time it would come in his routine was to do it all over again.......Gary Come visit my PRR Pages.... Photos, Models, Historical Items, Art Work! http://community.webtv.net/mittner/THEHOMEOFGARY and http://community.webtv.net/mittner/PENNSYLVANIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Ron Kuzemchak" Subject: [PRR] Aero Train Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:28:00 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BF576F.EC04FF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Need the 'site' for the Aero Train that contains a great wealth of = pictures from the design to the actual train. Viewed it yesterday but = didn't record the site. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BF576F.EC04FF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Need the 'site' for the Aero Train = that contains=20 a great wealth of pictures from the design to the actual train.  = Viewed it=20 yesterday but didn't record the site.
------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BF576F.EC04FF00-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: LINESWEST@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:56:31 EST Subject: [PRR] Re: Planning LWFFII Dan, Fred Rea has reported on his conversations with you in which he suggests a meeting at Delaware in the fall which I believe is about six months after the PRRT&HS convention. I think this timing of the LWFF should be written in stone as we're not in competition with the T&HS, and most of us would like to do both. The only exception is that year when the PRRT&HS convention is held in Steubenville, Cleveland, Columbus or points further west My health has not improved since last year and my financial situation has worsened considerably. I'm concentrating on a number of long-term projects to generate some income. The bottom line is, I won't be able to get things togther by myself. One bit of good news is that the Ohio Rehabilitation will pay for repairing and upgrading my PC that's been on the fritz since October. Once this is done, I will reenter the names of those who attended LWFF. Fred Rea, please let me know who to talk to about getting a hall at the college in Delaware. Booking on a Saturday is a good idea. If we could find a weekend where there's a Sunday Trainshow/flea market nearby, it'd help out the vendors a bit. All those wishing to help plan LWFF II please send me a message off list telling me your druthers. Tom V. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Kollar, Kris" Subject: RE: [PRR] Those magnificant Decapods.... Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:48:01 -0500 Case in point. MR bought an article from me in Jan 98 and it won't be published before June 2000. > -----Original Message----- > From: SUVCWORR@aol.com [SMTP:SUVCWORR@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 10:01 AM > To: walpru@stargate.net; prr-talk@dsop.com > Subject: Re: [PRR] Those magnificant Decapods.... > > In a message dated 01/04/2000 22:06:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, > walpru@stargate.net writes: > > > My only criticism (ducking my head) is why write an article where the > motor > > used is now discontinued? > In all probability this is a result of the article being bought by the > publisher and then not being published for an extensive period of time. > There are several articles I am aware of which have not been published for > > more than 18 months after they were bought and paid for. > > Rich Orr > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to > "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 19:00:27 -0600 From: "doug.kisala" Subject: [PRR] New Road names and undecorated Athearn Mikes Hello list, I checked Athearn's web site today, and they have new road names listed for the USRA Mike. While PRR is not among them, they have listed an undecorated Mike with footboards and a high headlight, which would be perfect for those of you wanting to redetail the engine to resemble an L2s of the 1940s (or, dare I mention it, a B&O Q3). Apparently the first undecorated engines both had centered headlights (which would be appropriate for the L2s class as delivered). Doug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "Bill Daniels" Subject: Re: [PRR] Aero Train Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:51:21 -0700 Bill and everybody else that's interested, At one time Kemtron offered replacement journals for the Varney (now Bowser) Aerotrain, along with other details. I think that they even offered a remotor kit (done by Lindsay) for the locomotive. These of course were available in brass. I think that Precision, which currently has the entire Kemtron line, has the masters, and might even have some in stock. Bill Daniels Tucson, AZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 19:08:43 -0600 From: "doug.kisala" Subject: Re: [PRR] Those magnificant Decapods.... --Boundary_(ID_h0uioACPUSUwr790BpSraw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walt and the list, I also enjoyed the I1sa article. My one note of concern was the repowering and requartering. I've done three NWSL gearbox conversions so far (all 142-6 for my passenger power), and the article's instructions didn't do the challenges of requartering justice. All of my conversions operate well, but the learning curve can be steep to the mechanically challenged. I know this was probably done for space reasons, but something this challenging could have been another article. I think MR should have mentioned the Alco Products repower kits (assuming they'll be available in the future from whoever buys them). Having said that, Mr Costanzi's detailing of the engines was excellent and thorough. One question to the list, however; I also modelled a twin pump I1sa, and all of the photos I've seen of the twin pump versions have a running board over the right compressor. Mr. Costanzi's engine omitted the cover. Is there photographic evidence to prove or disprove this running board configuration? Doug Walt Prusick wrote: > Dear list,Just received the February Moder Railroader. Go out and buy > it immediately! If for no other reason than Frank Costanzi's fantastic > article dealing with his highly successful efforts in creating two > distinctly different I1s Hippos. First and foremost I found it to be a > great "how to" article plus neat things like a constant lighting > diagram and other jems. This just may cause me to finally finish those > Bowser kits I have lost track of (botched so badly I gave up on). My > only criticism (ducking my head) is why write an article where the > motor used is now discontinued? Mr. Costanzi's masterful treatment of > this subject is one of the finest I have ever seen. (BTW, the PRRT&HS > did a wonderful historical spread a few years back.) Thanks,Walt > Prusick --Boundary_(ID_h0uioACPUSUwr790BpSraw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walt and the list,

I also enjoyed the I1sa article.  My one note of concern was the repowering and requartering.  I've done three NWSL gearbox conversions so far (all 142-6 for my passenger power), and the article's instructions didn't do the challenges of requartering justice.  All of my conversions operate well, but the learning curve can be steep to the mechanically challenged.  I know this was probably done for space reasons, but something this challenging could have been another article.  I think MR should have mentioned the Alco Products repower kits (assuming they'll be available in the future from whoever buys them).

Having said that, Mr Costanzi's detailing of the engines was excellent and thorough.
One question to the list, however; I also modelled a twin pump I1sa, and all of the photos I've seen of the twin pump versions have a running board over the right compressor.  Mr. Costanzi's engine omitted the cover.  Is there photographic evidence to prove or disprove this running board configuration?

Doug

Walt Prusick wrote:

Dear list,Just received the February Moder Railroader. Go out and buy it immediately! If for no other reason than Frank Costanzi's fantastic article dealing with his highly successful efforts in creating two distinctly different I1s Hippos. First and foremost I found it to be a great "how to" article plus neat things like a constant lighting diagram and other jems. This just may cause me to finally finish those Bowser kits I have lost track of (botched so badly I gave up on). My only criticism (ducking my head) is why write an article where the motor used is now discontinued? Mr. Costanzi's masterful treatment of this subject is one of the finest I have ever seen. (BTW, the PRRT&HS did a wonderful historical spread a few years back.) Thanks,Walt Prusick
--Boundary_(ID_h0uioACPUSUwr790BpSraw)-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "boxcar46" Subject: Re: [PRR] New Road names and undecorated Athearn Mikes Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:49:42 -0500 To all, You can be sure that the 2-8-2 for PRR is USRA Light (Genesis # G9003) marked Pennsylvania #9630.....I took this off the end of the box ! And they do run nice..... Jerry.....might have some......check with him on the (http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com) location. If not I bet he can order them !!!! Bill Knepper PRRT&HS # 1818 (boxcar46@nfdc.net) End of the NCR tracks, New Freedom, Pa. -----Original Message----- From: doug.kisala To: prr-talk@dsop.com Date: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 7:44 PM Subject: [PRR] New Road names and undecorated Athearn Mikes >Hello list, > >I checked Athearn's web site today, and they have new road names listed >for the USRA Mike. While PRR is not among them, they have listed an >undecorated Mike with footboards and a high headlight, which would be >perfect for those of you wanting to redetail the engine to resemble an >L2s of the 1940s (or, dare I mention it, a B&O Q3). Apparently the >first undecorated engines both had centered headlights (which would be >appropriate for the L2s class as delivered). > >Doug > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to >"listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! From: "walter mcwilliams" Subject: [PRR] Salamanca Branch Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:31:32 -0500 I was wondering if anyone has track charts for this little known branch that ran the Alllegheney River from oil city north? Thanks Walt McWilliams ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 19:58:27 -0800 Subject: Re: [PRR] Aero Train From: "Doug and Marianne" > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3029947107_254082_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe that the Aero Train covered a daily (mostly daylight) round trip between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Ii probably did not go on to New York due to the problems with diesel exhaust in the New York tunnels. There are plenty of pictures of it along the main line within Pennsylvania at locations such as Rockville Bridge and Horseshoe Curve. I suspect that 1956 saw a lot of railfan photographers out to capture the last of steam. The Aero Train was novel enough to merit a few frames of film. Doug N. --MS_Mac_OE_3029947107_254082_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [PRR] Aero Train
I believe that the Aero Train covered a daily (mostly daylight)= round trip between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.  Ii probably did not g= o on to New York due to the problems with diesel exhaust in the New York tun= nels.  

There are plenty of pictures of it along the main line within Pennsylvania = at locations such as Rockville Bridge and Horseshoe Curve.  I suspect t= hat 1956 saw a lot of railfan photographers out to capture the last of steam= .  The Aero Train was novel enough to merit a few frames of film.

Doug N.
--MS_Mac_OE_3029947107_254082_MIME_Part-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the message "help" to "listserv@dsop.com". If problems persist, contact "listmaster@dsop.com". !!NEXT MESSAGE!! Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 00:01:41 -0500 From: Patrick Rieger Subject: Re: [PRR] Aero Train Doug and Marianne wrote: > There are plenty of pictures of it along the main line > within Pennsylvania at locations such as Rockville Bridge > and Horseshoe Curve. I suspect that 1956 saw a lot of > railfan photographers out to capture the last of steam. The > Aero Train was novel enough to merit a few frames of film. Somewhere there is a picture of the Aero Train on the Panhandle Bridge in Pittsburgh doing a turn around move in daylight. I thought it was in "The Pennsy In The Steel City" by Ken Kobus and Jack Consoli but I was wrong. Maybe it is the sequel book, "The Pennsy's Golden Triangle" by the same authors, but I don't have a copy to look in. Patrick -- ============================================================================ "...if anyone has bolted together a mechanism with just fifty percent of the steam locomotive's solid spiritual satisfaction, he hasn't filed for a patent yet." -David P. Morgan, late editor of TRAINS magazine ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick James Rieger, http://www.dementia.org/~patrick ============================================================================ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Join our SPF database at http://kc.pennsyrr.com/forms/spf/index.html. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For assistance with the list "PRR-Talk", send the messa